Guild Wars 2

Puck.9612:

Trooper runes only remove condi’s from you and your pet on rangers, and of you’re running full clerics your damage will be terrible.

And he won’t outheal the burning that keeps ticking for 4K.
Or the burst of a mesmer that takes 15K.

All in all that path is more useless than helpful.

Its obviously not gonna be a dmg build. The argument was that shouts are bad on ranger and serve no purpose. I pointed out that you can make one of if not the best support builds using them. Now could search and rescue and sick em use some buffs sure but shouts on ranger are far from lackluster. If your not smart enough to use a shout to remove a 4k tick burning then I cant help you and all sustain builds are countered by burst think im done with this thread cus arguing with u is pointless.

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Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Puck.9612:

Eval.2371:

zapv.8051:

Saleen Jso.2645:

Ok I just never see any other ranger in WvW with so much swiftness. I’ve seen like up to 30 sec stacks and all, but a constant 2 min upkeep was making me scratch my head.

That ranger is probably over invested in swiftness, his/her build would be better off with less swiftness uptime and other stuff.

Not really, because its full up time of regen and swiftness. As other people mentioned just guard and we heal as one with one trait in beast mastery and you can keep both buffs up permanently. It still allows you to focus in all kinds of other directions.

If you run clerics and soldiers runes its actually a really good support build for a group.

trooper runes on rangers don’t affect your allies, only you and your pet, and clerics is a pretty terrible choice for rangers.

…. I swear I just made this same comment to someone else… Who the hell is trying to make cleric shout ranger a thing? Even if you wanted to focus on a tanky regen bm build why wouldn’t you go condi instead of cleric so you could at least add some damage?

Have you seen Wizzo’s videos?
His build.
I’d check him out before dismissing Cleric as bad on Ranger.

I’m seriously looking to add more healing power to my roaming set after seeing a full cleric setup in use by a good player (not that I am one ). For roaming and duelling, very good imo, maybe not so much for PvP because amulet != WvW stats/food, but…

If they make moving your pet to a location part of base functionality (as they should), Guard seems kind of redundant. How about this:

Guard- Removed.
Savage Roar- You leap to your pet and unleash a terrible roar, fearing nearby enemies for 1 second. kitten cooldown.

Protect Me- Your pet dashes to you, damaging and Crippling (5S) enemies in its path and granting you both Protection (5S) and Stability (3 stacks, 5S) when it arrives. Breaks stun. 60S cooldown.

I do like the positional elements you’re incorporating there, Urug.
Normally that’s a +1 in my book.

However, I kind of think Shouts need to re-think the whole entire ‘pet controls + stuff’ angle.

I get that it’s challenging to try and parse pet management in an active game down to something key-bindable and micromanagement-level-flexible. But letting the whole ‘approachable vs. adroit control scheme’ conflict spill over into utilities, just makes the baseline controls for the profession lack any real finesse and pet-control utilities directionless potluck.

What we have now isn’t having our cake and eating it too – they’re both lesser for the compromise.

Even the most clever kind of building on top of that isn’t going to be nearly as compelling as designing for fun first. Not that I’ve got anything against the pragmatic changes approach, but if something seems epidemic to multiple systems I find more optimism in articulating the problem and hoping the professionals have a flash of insight that works with their bottom line, than trying to tackle something so complex myself.

not gonna happen the shouts work as intended

anduriell.6280:

not gonna happen the shouts work as intended

These work as intended too. Doesn’t mean they make sense, though. This rather not be the logic ANet believes in (but community already got used to).

http://9gag.com/gag/aep9q9B?ref=fbp

Tragic Positive.9356:

http://9gag.com/gag/aep9q9B?ref=fbp

Haha, that’s like the perfect comparison you get to subpar ranger utilities.

Tragic Positive.9356:

anduriell.6280:

not gonna happen the shouts work as intended

These work as intended too. Doesn’t mean they make sense, though. This rather not be the logic ANet believes in (but community already got used to).

http://9gag.com/gag/aep9q9B?ref=fbp

Ahahah… Welcome to Anet land where the they use their own brand of logic.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2JJtsXPEJHs/ULY2oZT_48I/AAAAAAAACQU/ArPi70Vnri8/s1600/FL.png

Lately i think i’m very salty.. Am i?

Correct me if I am wrong but ranger shouts are the only ones where the base affect does not affect allies. This instantly makes them inferior to warrior or guard shouts, especially with trooper runes.

If ranger shouts are only going to buff the ranger+pet then the affects need to be much stronger than what they are. Quickness, aegis, retaliation, stealth…and any other useful utility. Maybe even an attack of opportunity in there somewhere since we don’t have enough access to that rather unique ability.

Personally though I would rather see them become group support like all other shouts.

anduriell.6280:

Ahahah… Welcome to Anet land where the they use their own brand of logic.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2JJtsXPEJHs/ULY2oZT_48I/AAAAAAAACQU/ArPi70Vnri8/s1600/FL.png

Lately i think i’m very salty.. Am i?

You were farming the toxic mordrem event with me, weren’t you?
It made more of us straight-talking never sugarcoating thing anymore.

Anyways, for starters, it would be much appreciated if breathing didn’t cancel Sick’Em hand in hand with protect me.
I can’t stand that for Beast Mastery Builds I’m forced to control my pet via dull shouts because if I touch the pet any other way, I lose all the effects from shouts overall.

Sick’Em would be such a good choice for roaming or PvP or WvW if it didn’t get cancelled by pressing the bloody F2. The burst pets – birds – should be able to scale their burst with that ability. But if you try doing so – you lose all the damage.
But after all, why do I keep saying things like this? No one from ANet cares anyways and all of us already know.

Tragic Positive.9356:

You were farming the toxic mordrem event with me, weren’t you?
It made more of us straight-talking never sugarcoating thing anymore.

Anyways, for starters, it would be much appreciated if breathing didn’t cancel Sick’Em hand in hand with protect me.
I can’t stand that for Beast Mastery Builds I’m forced to control my pet via dull shouts because if I touch the pet any other way, I lose all the effects from shouts overall.

Sick’Em would be such a good choice for roaming or PvP or WvW if it didn’t get cancelled by pressing the bloody F2. The burst pets – birds – should be able to scale their burst with that ability. But if you try doing so – you lose all the damage.
But after all, why do I keep saying things like this? No one from ANet cares anyways and all of us already know.

Ye i think so, although i only did the event like 5 times because an incremental migraine when i was doing it. Never could do the three events in a row.
The looking at your pet cancel the shout effect drove me away from the shout ranger, i stopped using Sick’em long time ago although is the only skill that we have that can avoid thief to stealth.

I agree with you, having to use our skill slots for using the pet is just awful. But there are so many things to fix in this class…