Druid not worth it!
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But if the elite spec was just a straight upgrade to ranger DPS there’d be no point in anyone ever using ranger, and that would be sad.
I paid for the Druid just like I paid for every aspect of HoT. I want the elite spec to at least be useful to me in dungeons and fractals. I want to get my money’s worth out of the elite spec that I looked forward to the most… Sadly, there’s just too much of a DPS loss taking the Druid spec for my tastes. Maybe if there was party wide offensive support it’d be worth it, but it’s not. I mean, I expected the Druid to be support, I just didn’t expect the utter lack of offensive support in the traitline.
With all due respect, become a more concious consumer maybe and don’t buy something you know nothing about.
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With all due respect, become a more concious consumer maybe and don’t buy something you know nothing about.
There are several types of people.
And I actually like the ones like myself.
When you are passing a hotel in mountains you should always buy at least a soda drink. Not because it’s polite, or your manners should tell you so.
There’s more to it.
Because if you do – you know they are going to be there in 5 years tame in case you’ll be feeling thirsty.
For all the people like myself – I know ANet is struggling in gaming industry. They can’t even watch blizzard from the fence because it’s like a never-ending ladder to heaven.
While different money-grinding industries just sleep on people’s money – ANet had a vision of fair game, where people could gather around, not fight each other.
And they offered you all the content “for free”. Because you only payed for the game and not the content they updated.
Since I like their ideology and game as such, I know I won’t find any other with such a friendly community as this one’s. Supporting them with at least the basic expansion purchase is what I can do to support their development in progress.
And if more people do – we’ll know the game will be there for us for several year’s time.
Providing constructive criticism and crying for candy are 2 absolutely different things.
“Observe, learn and counter.”
The elite spec expectation – upgrade for each class into God-like status.
Truth of elite specs – Give players different ways to play said classes.
This thread really has no logic.
Because we already have enough support if people could open their eyes, we and the game were missing true healing capability.
Not only that, but they cannot even open their eyes wide enough to see all the other builds that Druid can run and be effective at. This is how you know they are utterly hopeless Rangers.
Get over it and play something else or stick with vanilla Ranger if you do not like it. It’s just one trait line.
Why does the Druid change the DPS Ranger into a Healer?
Then why does my power druid spend more time kicking kitten than healing people?
Actually power druid is lame. The staff do the direct damage as the shortbow without the condi component.
Go with condi druid it will have more synergy. But you still have to use the staff that is a really weak weapon or you’ll waste most of the sustain and druid trait line.I vote to make a minor to heal on hit with any weapon like the sigil of water.
Healing more in line of the Staff AA but trigger on hit.
That way 1/3 of the problems with the druid would be fixed for me. They can do with the staff whatever they want.I have to disagree Power Druid is not good. Just don’t use the staff.
Healing on attack is not a bad idea though, I wouldn’t make it a trait though, why not make our glyph function like Signet of Malice while not in celestial form and then deal damage PBAoE on heal when we are, as well as a mild heal? That would solve a LOT of problems actually.
even without staff, LB/GS power ranger is worse off with druid, then it is with say WS/NM/BM, which I find to be superior. Only really dreat trait for Druid for power ranger is natural stride. Ancient seends inst that good, when you compare it to other grandmasters like Beastly Warden, Quickdraw, Protective ward, Wilderness knowledge. Too many other important GMs to take over ancient seeds. I don’t think druid is bad for power ranger, but I think its overshadowed by better options.
But if the elite spec was just a straight upgrade to ranger DPS there’d be no point in anyone ever using ranger, and that would be sad.
I paid for the Druid just like I paid for every aspect of HoT. I want the elite spec to at least be useful to me in dungeons and fractals. I want to get my money’s worth out of the elite spec that I looked forward to the most… Sadly, there’s just too much of a DPS loss taking the Druid spec for my tastes. Maybe if there was party wide offensive support it’d be worth it, but it’s not. I mean, I expected the Druid to be support, I just didn’t expect the utter lack of offensive support in the traitline.
With all due respect, become a more concious consumer maybe and don’t buy something you know nothing about.
Oh, trust me. I learned my lesson with HoT concerning Anet.. I won’t be pre-purchasing any more of Anet’s products until all information is out no matter what “goodies” they throw into the pile.
Speaking from a PVE-only point of view…
The kitten in this forum post is just over the top, because the zerker meta is why i stopped playing. I dont wana be dps on everything i freaking play, i want a healer and i want a tank? So they give you something you dislike? Get over it like i have for the past three years, the trinity is coming back. And its about kitten time, everyone running dps specs and just seeing who can hit the hardest the fastest is boring and lame. Give me my tank back so i can sit here and absorb/negate all your damage, i will be playing the druid. Why? Because its different than all the other crap we have been given, and because it will be beneficial to the group im in. Trust me when i tell you that no one rags on A-net for their choices harder than me, but i want them to do this. End the Zerker meta and bring some actual tactics into the game because right now its just this. “Here comes a engi, well gg.” OR the dagger dagger ele just ripping us apart, think about it the druid can heal allies and keep them up THROUGH the dps being pumped out. Next thing it will be the guard becoming a paladin or a warrior becoming a knight, and being able to legitimately taunt the enemy and negate their affects soaking damage. This will save the game, because there was nothing wrong with the trinity and removing it led them to making EVERY class feel the same. A warrior? You mean a thief without stealth. A ranger? You mean a thief with a bow and a lousy pet with kittenty AI.
The kitten in this forum post is just over the top, because the zerker meta is why i stopped playing. I dont wana be dps on everything i freaking play, i want a healer and i want a tank? So they give you something you dislike? Get over it like i have for the past three years, the trinity is coming back. And its about kitten time, everyone running dps specs and just seeing who can hit the hardest the fastest is boring and lame. Give me my tank back so i can sit here and absorb/negate all your damage, i will be playing the druid. Why? Because its different than all the other crap we have been given, and because it will be beneficial to the group im in. Trust me when i tell you that no one rags on A-net for their choices harder than me, but i want them to do this. End the Zerker meta and bring some actual tactics into the game because right now its just this. “Here comes a engi, well gg.” OR the dagger dagger ele just ripping us apart, think about it the druid can heal allies and keep them up THROUGH the dps being pumped out. Next thing it will be the guard becoming a paladin or a warrior becoming a knight, and being able to legitimately taunt the enemy and negate their affects soaking damage. This will save the game, because there was nothing wrong with the trinity and removing it led them to making EVERY class feel the same. A warrior? You mean a thief without stealth. A ranger? You mean a thief with a bow and a lousy pet with kittenty AI.
Zerker Meta? LOL please there are tons of build. you have no idea what you are asking about and this trinity you call for is not what majority of the players loved about GW2 because we wanted a unique mechanic. ya sure most dungeons are run by zerker but there are condis too and it does not mean it is easy since you still need experience and you have to remember most players run the same dungeon every day!. now this healer class does not make the game fun or will save the game from anything, there are tons of other game with a better mechanic and healers only produce unskilled players and a very easy game play. every class have heals and all of them are sufficient enough because we also have dodge mechanic and defensive buff mechanics. I’m hoping you have played GW2 for a long time because this trinity you want will be impossible to pull and does not reward any player in any way..
I remember there are games that they say. oh I had fun, we were in dungeon and all I did was heal LOL. there are things that had to stay and just a little improvement but changing the core offer of the game to no healer require just skills is just unnecessary.
Guild wars and guild wars 2 have no correlation with one another outside of the name and the races, which let us remind one another is nothing but cosmetics. Literally there is no skill in being a dps who runs in, zerks their way through everything? Of Conditions you say? Well good luck PvE running or solo clearing maps quickly, most mobs are like “Oh conditions? Psh they do next to dog kitten.” Yes in pvp they are easily just as potent as the raw power builds, but im talking PvE. In PvE Power is the way to go all the way, every single time.
Now in pvp, yeah its fun and i enjoyed the experience but it got stale fast. This was due to a warrior being less able to sustain tank themselves than a Engi, and Ele’s being way to strong. Now In the chance you don’t understand where im going, i will elaborate and offer you the point. A healing class like the druid , who do damage out the kitten its just all at once rather than continuous like the ranger is now would offer alot to the gameplay. Why? Simply put they are able to sustain people and offer the smaller zerg a fighting chance rather than just “We have the numbers so we win.” Between the auto attack and the new smokescale your damage is easily up there with the reaper. Your auto attack continues to grow in damage as your in range, and with the smokescales insane teleport Omnislash like f2 your capable of downing like anyone. kitten the pet alone can kill people as it stands on its own, then you have your mass cone root with some conditions to go along with it. The rest heals you and everyone true, but the damage it puts out is still substantial. And you can still swap weapons, switch over to the long bow so your pew pew still works and there you go. They do damage, kitten tons of damage in both pve and pvp. They just dont do the crazy damage that the power rangers do, which is good. Rangers were excellent dps , rather than get more for that they got the ability to switch to another type of play-style? Thats them basically saying “you don’t need the kind of fixes that the other classes need. So we are gonna put you on the next level, and work with the stuff you do need fixes on as we work on your new style of play which is totally optional.”
And yes to go along with it, this is totally optional and is not required? So why kitten about something that IS NOT REQUIRED TO PLAY THE GAME.
There’s no hard trinity coming-all I see is a good attempt on making different playstyles work better together, as originally intended. The “Berserker meta” was most likely an accident, never intended (though not discouraged), even with the lack of trinity-the no trinity=DPS is only what matters was always a lie (from a developer’s stand point-they never stated non-“zerk” gear was “training wheels”, and always offered tons of gear combo sets), as I stated from the beginning, and as revealed by ANet now.
And besides, DPS will still be viable AND needed. Nothing wrong with sticking to Berserker builds, though I doubt it will be effective for all ten players in a raid.
In short, there’s nothing wrong with the healing focus of the Druid, as there are myriads of ways already in the base game to excel at DPS, even with the base Ranger. We are talking about HoT GW2, not old content, and it seems most people’s opinions about stuff are based on their favorite Dungeon speed runs, living in the past (or in their love of DPS, which is fair, but for which we already have TONS of well-established options.)
There’s no hard trinity coming-all I see is a good attempt on making different playstyles work better together, as originally intended. The “Berserker meta” was most likely an accident, never intended (though not discouraged), even with the lack of trinity-the no trinity=DPS is only what matters was always a lie (from a developer’s stand point-they never stated non-“zerk” gear was “training wheels”, and always offered tons of gear combo sets), as I stated from the beginning, and as revealed by ANet now.
And besides, DPS will still be viable AND needed. Nothing wrong with sticking to Berserker builds, though I doubt it will be effective for all ten players in a raid.
In short, there’s nothing wrong with the healing focus of the Druid, as there are myriads of ways already in the base game to excel at DPS, even with the base Ranger. We are talking about HoT GW2, not old content, and it seems most people’s opinions about stuff are based on their favorite Dungeon speed runs, living in the past (or in their love of DPS, which is fair, but for which we already have TONS of well-established options.)
my own view is that I am being forced to heal if I want the money I paid for to be worth it and use droods. this is why me and my friends are not happy with this just because there are already allot of ways to play the game with different builds but the point that majority chose to Zerk is just a proof that developers can make another different play style build but we will always choose the one that is more useful to spend our time grinding the gears for dungeon runs and wvw.. but we do not stop there. we also love the other classes when we get bored and grind to their equipents although I am behind still have all class at level 80 but only 5 of them are really geared. developers shouldn’t focus on how we decide on how to use our time. all they need is create more dungeon levels, the raid they made now, higher fractal, new game mode for pvp, gvg, wvw, tourney, new story ect. there are tons of things they could have focused on and not on how we decide on the time we spend to use the gear we want. keep us interested and enjoy the new things. put more stuff but don’t chain us to choose what they only want us to do because we are the customers.
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There is a trinity coming, though.
Power/Condi/Sustain classes.
No one tells you who should play and what but your raid group needs all of those.
And yes, Water Fields with Blasts count as a form of sustain. Druid just helps it without that much organization.
“Observe, learn and counter.”
Not only that, but they cannot even open their eyes wide enough to see all the other builds that Druid can run and be effective at. This is how you know they are utterly hopeless Rangers.
That is hugely unfair.
Ranger and Druid are not the same thing.
They might not be good Druids, but they didn’t pick a Druid class; they picked Ranger.
…and you can’t say they’re “hopeless Rangers”, just because they’re not interested in (now) being Druids!
They just want to be Rangers.
Most of them just want to use bows and do DPS and what is wrong with that?
Nothing.
…and if there is anything wrong with it, due to ranged being sub-optimal and other problems, that is a (huge) failing of the game design; not them.
Totally unfair.
“Turns out when people play the game, they don’t admire your feet at all.” sephiroth
Not only that, but they cannot even open their eyes wide enough to see all the other builds that Druid can run and be effective at. This is how you know they are utterly hopeless Rangers.
That is hugely unfair.
Ranger and Druid are not the same thing.
They might not be good Druids, but they didn’t pick a Druid class; they picked Ranger.
…and you can’t say they’re “hopeless Rangers”, just because they’re not interested in (now) being Druids!
They just want to be Rangers.
Most of them just want to use bows and do DPS and what is wrong with that?
Nothing.
…and if there is anything wrong with it, due to ranged being sub-optimal and other problems, that is a (huge) failing of the game design; not them.
Totally unfair.
Druid is just a traitline with another mechanic for Ranger. I didn’t say they were hopeless because they didn’t want to play Druid, I said they were hopeless because they think its useless to play. If people have to constantly QQ about how terrible it is and how its not useful for anything, well, they should just go back to bearbow and signets because making and experimenting with builds is really not for them.
OP paid for a product. He wants to get his money’s worth out of it. For him it was the Druid doing want he wanted it to do. He has every right to complain just as much as others have the right praise it.
This doesn’t make sense, if he paid for the expansion only for the druid he should have waited for the POI before shelling out the money.
The OP, like all of us, paid for the expansion and his content, which has been delivered (well not yet, we will have to wait the 23).
norn warrior
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