Guild Wars 2

If your pet is dead, this grandmaster trait will no longer remove conditions.

Lmao at another dev saying that hey we’re gonna nerf you now, but “amazing things are coming we just cant tell you about it yet”

rangers need help right now guys.

Its a bug fix. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t intended to work with a dead pet, just like Signet of Renewal. What I’m curious about is what the amazing change coming to ranger is watching the livestream. My bet is on splitblade getting an 8% damage increase

Last time they said that we are going to get a huge boost we got the infamous Aquaman patch.

Maybe the amazing change will be a bugfix on underwater downed pet heal.

Here’s a high level overview of things to come guys… Rangers, here are 3 nerfs, that’s all we got for you! Enjoy.

We want signets to be fun and enjoyable that allow for strategic gameplay. But not you Rangers, we don’t want you to ever use your signets without a 30 pt trait! Enjoy.

Hey guys, we’ve found the problem with the 1h sword and we’re coming up with ideas to fix it (hey look, now it’s broken!) but guess what. Instead of removing the leap until we’ve found a solution, we’re going to leave you with a off-putting weapon that scares the noobs into using bearbow. Enjoy!

Have faith guys! We’ve been promising change is around the corner, your year of waiting isn’t in vain! Trust us!

To be honest, this isn’t a major hit if you run with an at least semi-tanky pet (Ie. Drake) and have a decent buff pool with 15 points in nature magic to help share regeneration and such with your pet.

Still it is a little disappointing that this was considered a noteworthy mention in the live stream yet no encouragement was offered for builds that continue to be held back by the pet. Even though good buffs were promised to be revealed at a later date, I fear that as time passes we will continue to see pet design that holds back the ranger class yet no offering of any ability to play petless. The pet will be further and further alienated as just additional clutter on top of a slightly less damaging character that offers no real function of synergy or theme as a class mechanic. A year later melee pets still have no method of catching up to a fleeing target, no means of attacking while moving. Ranged pets continue to have only one viable option due to a lack of proper attention to devourers.

And condition bunker and other passive “Stack and kite” easy cheesy condition builds continue to be promoted. People will continue saying the “Ranger is class is good/at a good place” on account of just 1-2 viable builds while everybody playing an active or skillful build relying on power rather than condi continues to suffer. Skilled play should be rewarded, its certainly heavily encouraged. Yet for such players, so many other classes are more attractive.. and at this point, I’m really starting to think about benching my ranger. It will come down to whatever “Positive change” is revealed in the upcoming path, ultimately. But I’m tired of waiting over a year for the areas of the ranger most in need of change to be ignored. They know pet AI and F2 is an issue, yet they will continue to not even offer a decent band aid buff on pets to up their reliability if they stay the current course.

Holland.9351:

If your pet is dead, this grandmaster trait will no longer remove conditions.

Umm, Its always worked this way, unlekittenanged recently in the patch that i don’t know about.

Its how a BM Bunker Ranger can kill a Shout Regen Ranger

Terravos.4059:

Holland.9351:

If your pet is dead, this grandmaster trait will no longer remove conditions.

Umm, Its always worked this way, unlekittenanged recently in the patch that i don’t know about.

Its how a BM Bunker Ranger can kill a Shout Regen Ranger

That’s what I thought too…

Yea, not sure what they’re thinking on that…Cause I know it works that way in PVE and WvW..

I’m not sure about SPvP though, could work differently.

I’m more interested in the On Swap abilities not now sharing ICD’s

That opens up some more things for Rangers, and the Dual Sigils on Two handers is nice for my Technobabble Build.

Means Shortbow can now have Torment.

We need:
- completely new and functional pet AI (with f2 active response instant) even if you need the system from scratch, it just can’t be ignored.
- pet aoe dmg reduction
- real condition removal on demand and not linked to pets
- utilities and weapon skills with knockdown (maul), blast finisher, gap closers, and blindness.
- a complete rework of longbow, main hand axe, shortbow.
- a buff to number of bleeds of nr.5 dagger.
- a damage buff to nr1. chain and nr.5 greatsword, nr.4 warhorn.
- a buff to damage part of nr.5 axe.
- get rid of opening strike mechanic and give us something meaningful.
- immobilize removal with lightning reflexes.
- equal to other classes power coeficients with our skills.

I’ll definetly try air+fire on my zerker longbow ranger…. mmmm

nagymbear.5280:

I’ll definetly try air+fire on my zerker longbow ranger…. mmmm

Is ANet going to fix OnCrit sigils then so you can have 2 proccing at the same time?

Aveneo.2068:

nagymbear.5280:

I’ll definetly try air+fire on my zerker longbow ranger…. mmmm

Is ANet going to fix OnCrit sigils then so you can have 2 proccing at the same time?

Yeah, 2 on crit’s WILL proc together (i.e fire/air). The RNG is looking like its going to be removed and will just be activated on crit with an ICD.

Neoheart.2750:

Aveneo.2068:

nagymbear.5280:

I’ll definetly try air+fire on my zerker longbow ranger…. mmmm

Is ANet going to fix OnCrit sigils then so you can have 2 proccing at the same time?

Yeah, 2 on crit’s WILL proc together (i.e fire/air). The RNG is looking like its going to be removed and will just be activated on crit with an ICD.

Ah cool. Good to hear they’re finally going to fix it and allow 2 OnCrit effects with separate activations instead of having both fighting over who gets to proc. Can’t wait to put an extra Air in next to my Fire as well then! :P

Of course the Ranger sub forum is going to cry about this bug fix. It’s always worked like this.

nagymbear.5280:

I’ll definetly try air+fire on my zerker longbow ranger…. mmmm

Unless you’re filthy rich, I would not be hasty to jump the gun on trying double crit sigils.

Anet has confirmed they want to remove bloodlust stacking when you unequip weapons, which means if you want to stack pow/preci/condi, you’ll eventually be forced to use one of those sigils on your weapon.

Dollars to donuts this double sigil fix is the first step of that master plan.

This is why we can’t have nice things…

Aridia.3042:

Anet has confirmed they want to remove bloodlust stacking when you unequip weapons,

Did they? I must have misse that. What I remember them saying was that you still won’t be able to gather corruption AND bloodlus stacks.

nagymbear.5280:

Aridia.3042:

Anet has confirmed they want to remove bloodlust stacking when you unequip weapons,

Did they? I must have misse that. What I remember them saying was that you still won’t be able to gather corruption AND bloodlus stacks.

Yeah I re-watched it again last night. John makes it clear that no two identical sigils will stack together. This means say two energy crystals etc but also includes two stacking sigils. So it doesn’t matter if it stacks power, prec or condi NO two stacking sigils will work in tangent.

I got that. What Aridia said is if you unequip your weapon which lets you stack corruption/bloodlust, you lose the stacks.

Im not 100% certain but I don’t think that was mentioned in the livestream. Maybe he is referencing another video, blog or forum post.

Anyway they are still working on it all, obviously and stated a couple of times that things are changing back and forth a lot with the number crunching etc. That’s why the information is scarce or being held back.

Neoheart.2750:

Anyway they are still working on it all, obviously and stated a couple of times that things are changing back and forth a lot with the number crunching etc. That’s why the information is scarce or being held back.

It they stull doing the number crunching the “Amazing” change will probably have to wait until April.

Neoheart.2750:

nagymbear.5280:

Aridia.3042:

Anet has confirmed they want to remove bloodlust stacking when you unequip weapons,

Did they? I must have misse that. What I remember them saying was that you still won’t be able to gather corruption AND bloodlus stacks.

Yeah I re-watched it again last night. John makes it clear that no two identical sigils will stack together. This means say two energy crystals etc but also includes two stacking sigils. So it doesn’t matter if it stacks power, prec or condi NO two stacking sigils will work in tangent.

IF they have a cooldown, which the stacking sigils do not. So I’m 99% sure you will still be able to use 2 stacking sigil together.

Tricare.2946:

Neoheart.2750:

nagymbear.5280:

Aridia.3042:

Anet has confirmed they want to remove bloodlust stacking when you unequip weapons,

Did they? I must have misse that. What I remember them saying was that you still won’t be able to gather corruption AND bloodlus stacks.

Yeah I re-watched it again last night. John makes it clear that no two identical sigils will stack together. This means say two energy crystals etc but also includes two stacking sigils. So it doesn’t matter if it stacks power, prec or condi NO two stacking sigils will work in tangent.

IF they have a cooldown, which the stacking sigils do not. So I’m 99% sure you will still be able to use 2 stacking sigil together.

Except that they explicitly said the 2 stacking sigils would not work together.

Is when the bugs on ranger will be fix they will realise how ranger is weak versus all other class…

Durzlla.6295:

Tricare.2946:

Neoheart.2750:

nagymbear.5280:

Aridia.3042:

Anet has confirmed they want to remove bloodlust stacking when you unequip weapons,

Did they? I must have misse that. What I remember them saying was that you still won’t be able to gather corruption AND bloodlus stacks.

Yeah I re-watched it again last night. John makes it clear that no two identical sigils will stack together. This means say two energy crystals etc but also includes two stacking sigils. So it doesn’t matter if it stacks power, prec or condi NO two stacking sigils will work in tangent.

IF they have a cooldown, which the stacking sigils do not. So I’m 99% sure you will still be able to use 2 stacking sigil together.

Except that they explicitly said the 2 stacking sigils would not work together.

Except what he was talking about was 2 different (power and condition) stacking sigils will not work together.

Edit: yeah ignore me, I thought the original question was if you could still use 2 corruption and such.

Tricare.2946:

Durzlla.6295:

Tricare.2946:

Neoheart.2750:

nagymbear.5280:

Aridia.3042:

Anet has confirmed they want to remove bloodlust stacking when you unequip weapons,

Did they? I must have misse that. What I remember them saying was that you still won’t be able to gather corruption AND bloodlus stacks.

Yeah I re-watched it again last night. John makes it clear that no two identical sigils will stack together. This means say two energy crystals etc but also includes two stacking sigils. So it doesn’t matter if it stacks power, prec or condi NO two stacking sigils will work in tangent.

IF they have a cooldown, which the stacking sigils do not. So I’m 99% sure you will still be able to use 2 stacking sigil together.

Except that they explicitly said the 2 stacking sigils would not work together.

Except what he was talking about was 2 different (power and condition) stacking sigils will not work together.

Edit: yeah ignore me, I thought the original question was if you could still use 2 corruption and such.

Oh wait…. Can you double up on stacking ones again O.o? You could in beta and that was freaking glorious! I kinda hope you can now…

Durzlla.6295:

Tricare.2946:

Durzlla.6295:

Tricare.2946:

Neoheart.2750:

nagymbear.5280:

Aridia.3042:

Anet has confirmed they want to remove bloodlust stacking when you unequip weapons,

Did they? I must have misse that. What I remember them saying was that you still won’t be able to gather corruption AND bloodlus stacks.

Yeah I re-watched it again last night. John makes it clear that no two identical sigils will stack together. This means say two energy crystals etc but also includes two stacking sigils. So it doesn’t matter if it stacks power, prec or condi NO two stacking sigils will work in tangent.

IF they have a cooldown, which the stacking sigils do not. So I’m 99% sure you will still be able to use 2 stacking sigil together.

Except that they explicitly said the 2 stacking sigils would not work together.

Except what he was talking about was 2 different (power and condition) stacking sigils will not work together.

Edit: yeah ignore me, I thought the original question was if you could still use 2 corruption and such.

Oh wait…. Can you double up on stacking ones again O.o? You could in beta and that was freaking glorious! I kinda hope you can now…

I’ve been using 2 stacking weapons to get my stacks in WvW then swapping out to my normal weapons for a long time. Saves time with only killing 13 mobs or guards.

Durzlla.6295:

Tricare.2946:

Durzlla.6295:

Tricare.2946:

Neoheart.2750:

nagymbear.5280:

Aridia.3042:

Anet has confirmed they want to remove bloodlust stacking when you unequip weapons,

Did they? I must have misse that. What I remember them saying was that you still won’t be able to gather corruption AND bloodlus stacks.

Yeah I re-watched it again last night. John makes it clear that no two identical sigils will stack together. This means say two energy crystals etc but also includes two stacking sigils. So it doesn’t matter if it stacks power, prec or condi NO two stacking sigils will work in tangent.

IF they have a cooldown, which the stacking sigils do not. So I’m 99% sure you will still be able to use 2 stacking sigil together.

Except that they explicitly said the 2 stacking sigils would not work together.

Except what he was talking about was 2 different (power and condition) stacking sigils will not work together.

Edit: yeah ignore me, I thought the original question was if you could still use 2 corruption and such.

Oh wait…. Can you double up on stacking ones again O.o? You could in beta and that was freaking glorious! I kinda hope you can now…

Yes you can. I was surprised as well.

You can’t use different types of stacking sigils. But you can use two of the same type to get 2 stacks per kill

So wait, wait, wait. You’re telling me that after 12 months of being completely gutted, rangers are getting… nerfed? Are you serious? You can’t be serious. They haven’t even fixed the pet into being 50% reliable yet and we’re still getting nerfs? It’s official. I am abandoning my ranger. I was stupid for ever rolling one and for ever believing Anet had any intentions of fixing them. This whole “good things are coming, we just can’t tell you what!” is just a load of BS. It’s verbal confirmation that they have no idea how to fix the ranger class. Why else would they be so secretive? Oh noes, the players might know what’s in store for their class. Can’t have that… unless they’re any other class other than ranger or ranger nerfs. Lol. If Anet was anymore transparent, matter would pass through them.

Kiran.2705:

So wait, wait, wait. You’re telling me that after 12 months of being completely gutted, rangers are getting… nerfed? Are you serious? You can’t be serious. They haven’t even fixed the pet into being 50% reliable yet and we’re still getting nerfs? It’s official. I am abandoning my ranger. I was stupid for ever rolling one and for ever believing Anet had any intentions of fixing them. This whole “good things are coming, we just can’t tell you what!” is just a load of BS. It’s verbal confirmation that they have no idea how to fix the ranger class. Why else would they be so secretive? Oh noes, the players might know what’s in store for their class. Can’t have that… unless they’re any other class other than ranger or ranger nerfs. Lol. If Anet was anymore transparent, matter would pass through them.

I think your over reacting slightly, everything that was mentioned in the livestream to be changing for ranger is a bug fix, pure and simple. From the 480hp tick on the spirit to the apparent dead pet condi clear…none of it was working as intended.

nagymbear.5280:

Aridia.3042:

Anet has confirmed they want to remove bloodlust stacking when you unequip weapons,

Did they? I must have misse that. What I remember them saying was that you still won’t be able to gather corruption AND bloodlus stacks.

I didn’t watch the stream so I’m not sure if it was mentioned, but it was confirmed long ago by Devon Carver.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Would-be-great-if-Arenanet/first

Absolutely unnecessary and not conducive to the game, but I suppose that’s why Anet is doing it, cuz it seems to be their MO.

anyone noticed that the random laughs of the devs stopped when they started to talk about the ranger? i thought oh my god no they barry them xD

i am really sorry for all wvw ranger who use EB. pets get killed fast in zerg fights and with no condition remove life gets harder. then anet should not wonder when more and more play bear.

nevertheless i have the feeling that ranger will be becoming strong after patch.
shatter nerf. war nerf. just what i didnt like to hear was that thiefes will see improvements too

nagymbear.5280:

I’ll definetly try air+fire on my zerker longbow ranger…. mmmm

Air sucks. You’re better of with any of Force+Night, Force+Accuracy, Force+Fire and similar with Night.

Aridia.3042:

Unless you’re filthy rich, I would not be hasty to jump the gun on trying double crit sigils.

Together they cost less than 4g, filthy rich…lol

Aridia.3042:

Anet has confirmed they want to remove bloodlust stacking when you unequip weapons[…]

I watched the stream and can’t recall that, can you provide a source? (Not saying it’s wrong, but want to see some red swats).

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For the last time, Empathetic Bond isn’t getting nerfed, If it actually worked the way it was described it would be a bug fix, However EB currently does exactly what they’re fixing, As in, if your pet dies, You don’t have any condition removal.

You’re not getting nerfed, That’s how it works already, Its always worked that way.

Here’s to hoping that they break EB actually and when you swap pets it resets EB’s timer and removes 3 conditions!

Holland.9351:

If your pet is dead, this grandmaster trait will no longer remove conditions.

Kinda the way the trait should work I thought?

snow.8097:

anyone noticed that the random laughs of the devs stopped when they started to talk about the ranger? i thought oh my god no they barry them xD

i am really sorry for all wvw ranger who use EB. pets get killed fast in zerg fights and with no condition remove life gets harder. then anet should not wonder when more and more play bear.

nevertheless i have the feeling that ranger will be becoming strong after patch.
shatter nerf. war nerf. just what i didnt like to hear was that thiefes will see improvements too

Alot of theives seemed displeased with the pistolwhip changes. I personally see it as a buff in PvP but in PvE it’s just another button press when clearing through trash…which the s/p excels at.

Anyway, i think it’s a change for the better as now the root split up and each attack is shorter. The fact that you can now stun one target and pistol whip another is a bonus imo.

Pistol whip didn’t need a buff, it does stupid damage as is and thieves can apparently take utilities to keep you immobilized till dead (happened to me a couple times).

I don’t even get why people are upset with the pistol whip change , it’s a total buff in PvP, you can stun a rezzer and then tele to someone, which immobs them and go berserk on them and then teleport back to go back on the rezzer… Just so many possibilities now that it’s split.

dylan.5409:

Pistol whip didn’t need a buff, it does stupid damage as is and thieves can apparently take utilities to keep you immobilized till dead (happened to me a couple times).

I actually played s/p in wvw for a couple hours, and I certainly don’t see it doing stupid damage. And I wasn’t running a bunker build either.

@nagymbear
Ive had non bunker toons killed by 1 whip and a few auto attacks. Ive also spectated a few sword/pistol thieves, the damage can be very strong even if only part of the whip hits.

When exactly did empathetic bond start doing that? Not to sound tin hat, but it seems to me that this has to be a recent bug that might be isolated to the sPvP side of things. I have a feeling the spirit of nature ‘bug’ is probably of a similar nature.

Also what is with this skritty focus on harming the pet as about half Ranger’s condition removal?

Bran.7425:

When exactly did empathetic bond start doing that? Not to sound tin hat, but it seems to me that this has to be a recent bug that might be isolated to the sPvP side of things. I have a feeling the spirit of nature ‘bug’ is probably of a similar nature.

Also what is with this skritty focus on harming the pet as about half Ranger’s condition removal?

The Spirit is bugged in all aspects of the game actually, it just heals for WAY too much health (I use it regularly and I think it’s ridiculous I’m surprised it’s been like this for so long). As for EB, I tested it in sPvP AND PvE AND WvW after they talked about it and it sure as hell doesn’t work like they think it does… Once your pet is dead your condi removal is gone.

And I think all of our condi removal minus healing spring kills our pet… There’s a reason I don’t use any of them, and it’s generally because I have 20 or more in BM

Yep… pretty sure its never worked for me while pet is dead…. at least I always swap out pets when I notice i have condis loaded up and pet is at zero.

I’ve previously decided on carrying only high vitality pets (3000+). They have to absorb a lot of abuse. Be proud of your bear!!

Kilger.5490:

Yep… pretty sure its never worked for me while pet is dead…. at least I always swap out pets when I notice i have condis loaded up and pet is at zero.

I’ve previously decided on carrying only high vitality pets (3000+). They have to absorb a lot of abuse. Be proud of your bear!!

HINT: if you use Masters Bond + Companions Might (or just companions might with a high crit build) your bear will regularly hit for near 2k damage, have full Masters Bond and Stability training and that kittening bear is gonna be able to face tank most 1 hit kills as well and keep mauling things for 2.5k damage autos and ~4k damage Bites.

Granted if you put a cat in the same scenario you’ll be getting warrior 100B numbers popping up, but cats kittening implode when a stiff breeze flys through the battlefield , bears just man up, ignore the damage, and keep swinging.

Durzlla.6295:

And I think all of our condi removal minus healing spring kills our pet… There’s a reason I don’t use any of them, and it’s generally because I have 20 or more in BM

I use Signet of Renewel when I have to, but I have the pet switch button ready, so the second the pet grabs the conditions I swap them out so it won’t die due to them. It’s a shame you have to do that to bypass the effect. <_<

dylan.5409:

@nagymbear
Ive had non bunker toons killed by 1 whip and a few auto attacks. Ive also spectated a few sword/pistol thieves, the damage can be very strong even if only part of the whip hits.

I have hit 12k rapid fire on nonbunker characters. Does that make rapid fire deal stupid damage?

Oh poor Rangers, your Goddess of nature – Melandru left you alone.

With no blessing of Melandru, no condition removal for Rangers

Rangers are weak in condition removal, LoL.

BTW, when can I have a REAL Ranger with no Pets?