Guild Wars 2

Tragic Positive.9356:

Wolfey.3407:

Tripple post, but again worth it.

Control Bunker

Look into it, it’s hilarious to knock some one off point with Glyph of Tides and have them immol off point. Free Decap, with some time… free Cap.

Hell, I’ve decapped and capped a point just in a 3v1 situation.

Knocked 3 people off point, had them immol, made progress on the decap. Heal my self back up, rinse and repeat till i had a cap.

While they were immol, had my fire wyvern cause burning and grant me might to widdle them down.

Fighting 3 people without stability and being able to decap them … That’s basically sad. That’s no offense but your opponent were awfully bad.

Another counter-argument: what makes you think you wouldn’t be able to do it with Wolf instead of the Wyvern, again? Wolf does send enemies out of point as well and it’s on demand unlike Wyvern that has only in-place knock-up on F2.

And last but not least: If you think that Fern Hound is what keeps people at 85%HP, you are most probably playing the wrong game. If you really think regeneration can keep up with Revenant’s / Thief’s / Mesmer’s or anyone’s else damage – you are definitely playing the wrong game.
CC is what keeps your allies’ HP high. Not regeneration or Fern Hound (really now…). If I wanted to get regeneration for my team I’d get Healing Spring so I could allow them to blast heal themselves.

You know… “Metabattle” or “Woodenpotatoes” usually come up with builds that mostly everyone would play for efficiency even if they haven’t known any of that. Those are the builds that are efficient if you know what that means.
If a player knows what he is doing he can win even with 1 hand behind his back and not using a pet at all. But only a fool would acknowledge a terrible pet to be on par with pets that are actually useful.

No offense here, but if you really believe you can 1v3 people, being able to decap them and be able to spend blasts for MIGHT and not HEALING to cap the point – that’s just a pure show of how unrealistic your experience is.

If that was possible – it would be full of competitive scene. Well you guess what. None of that happens.

Please show me in the post that you quoted, where I stated fern hound kept people at that % by it’s self. In fact, what you quoted had nothing to do with fern hound.

Eh there are a ton of bad sapphire- diamond players, there’s no disputing that…

I love how you say no offense and then include “if you know what that means”

Maybe you should watch some PvP tournies and tell me how many rangers are actually in high end teams… no offense, if you know how to get to the stream ((see what i did there, same thing you did))

I have healing coming out of my @## i can spend my finishers for might and not worry.

Again, your lack of how druids work is really showing at the moment.

1. Bad use of a pet doesn’t make the pet itself bad (you can always cancel bristleback’s F2 if neccessary).

2. You can control the smokefield. If it accidentially interferes with other fields, it is player failure and has nothing to do with the pet being bad.

3. Wyverns are even easier to counter than those two pets, even if players are less familiar with them. Just move arround and you can ignore them 99% of the time.

4. If you try hard enough you can find niche uses for everything. So the game is perfectly fine and balanced and nothing has to be changed, right?

UmbraNoctis.1907:

1. Bad use of a pet doesn’t make the pet itself bad (you can always cancel bristleback’s F2 if neccessary).

2. You can control the smokefield. If it accidentially interferes with other fields, it is player failure and has nothing to do with the pet being bad.

3. Wyverns are even easier to counter than those two pets, even if players are less familiar with them. Just move arround and you can ignore them 99% of the time.

4. If you try hard enough you can find niche uses for everything. So the game is perfectly fine and balanced and nothing has to be changed, right?

Essentially thats the point i was trying to make with Wyverns and Fernhound before the two bromegos above decided to go on a white knight crusade of the evils of fernhound and how druid and ranger are broken because of wyvern >.< …

Wolfey.3407:

FriendlyInvader.3126:

I can say ‘X’ is crap in contrast to Y. In this case, X is the fernhound or any wyvern in contrast to the smokescale/bristleback combo.

NOTE 1: I can change my opinion on a matter, im not here to argue for the sake of arguing and im not arrogant. Calling someone[not accusing you] an idiot , troll or any other insult just because they do not agree with you is a really bad practice.

NOTE 2: Just a personal opinion[feel free to refute it], but I feel like the people that try to justify something that is really weak and niche are actually holding that thing back. If they instead called on Anet to buff/get it in line with other things, we might see change.

So everyone should shut up on their opinions and listen to you because mettabattle has your back. OK

You are here for the sake of arguing or you would have let people post what they felt with out insulting other pets and slavishly the people who talk about said pets.

Let’s discuss the flaws of your favorite pet combo since you enjoy constantly bringing up both Electric Wyvern and Fernhound.

1) Bristleback
Part of the meta = almost every new ranger/druid is running it.
Down fall, people should know how to counter it by now…
It’s f2 is a ton of projectiles, all you need is an ok placed reflect to watch the other team whipe from that ranger/ druid not knowing what they were doing. This goes back to a fundamental policy of Risk >< Reward. If you’re facing another rdruid, all they have to do is place Sublime Conversion then type “thank you” in map chat as you have just healed up that druids team. The animation for bristle backs F2 is very easy to spot…

2) Smoke Scale
Part of the meta = almost every new ranger/druid is running it.
Down fall, people should know how to counter it by now…
It’s F2 while nice for 1v1 and roaming, is complete garbage for team fights…. It lays down a smoke field which you can not control the location of. Because of this, you end up cancelling out vital water fields or strategic fire fields. Not to mention if it lays down its smoke field, you run the risk of it being blasted on point and having your team being stealthed on point…. thanks for the partial decap or full decap depending on the state of the point….

Now lets look at Electric Wyverns Faults:
Tail Lash: Range is 130 and does not always hit
F2: Seems to be the further away the pet is, the less of a chance it has to knock down.

Electric Wyverns faults in team fights:
Chance at lightning field over writing a water or fire field if it’s end spot lands on those fields. On the bright side, unlike smoke scale, you don’t jeopardize your teams hold of a point.

As it stands, Electric Wyvern is in a way better place than most pets for PvP.
It does have a couple of things that need to be fixed and only one of them is semi urgent…. that being Tail Lash.

I feel that people who promote a meta over anything else is really holding a class back when it comes to PvP… You’re forcing anet to craft the small class based on 1 build instead of diversifying and trying to find other niches for the class to be good at.

Remarks:
1)Dude why are you so angry? We are only discussing a game. I ignored your initial response because your points were just there for the sake arguing[They were pretty bad], and you were so blinded by anger and arrogance that you said that I was flexing my “kitten”, though I only stated what my rank is because you said that I did not know what I was doing[To add credit to what I was saying]. Heck I didn’t even mention it at all before you said that I didn’t know what I was doing.

2)Yes, I think your pets are terrible. My opinion, entitled to it. So I’m only arguing if I don’t agree with you? I try so hard to comment by using “[commentary]” so people like you don’t misunderstand, but I guess it doesn’t work.

*Points: *

1) Do you not think that the fact that an enemy player actually has to be careful and play around a pet is good? Now, on to the point. Yes, everything has a counter, and projectile reflect is the bristlebacks. Though this assumption is that there will always be a tempest which is not true, AND that there will always be projectile reflect up. This is why the smokescale compliments it really well, and actual planning on using the bristleback burst.

—>“but but if they see the F2 tell, they will just avoid it!”
A) GOOD, they wasted some of their defenses on your pet, and this will allow your allies to potentially land another important attack.
B) You do not just use it off cooldown, you set up a stunlock then unload the f2 in their face. The combo is rewarding.

2)
A)Might stacking for you, and burst is never bad. Its knockdown also triggers ancient seeds. Yeah…Not that bad right?
B)You control the smoke field, and it can be used with staff #3 for a stealth stomp, or to prevent a stomp. Yes, the smoke field is bad if the point is small, so I avoid using it there. Again, your point is all about human error, and can be prevented easily.

Here, let me give you some counters to wyverns:

1)Don’t stand still [I just made the pet useless o.o]
2) RNG for the electric wyvern charge

This is my final comment on this topic,and I will enjoy my continuing success with these pets until Anet nerfs them or buffs some of the others. I recommend people use them and get used to their strengths, I can’t imagine playing without them atm[in sPVP]. Wolf/tiger/birds can also be a viable swap for one of them.

TL;DR:

UmbraNoctis.1907:

1. Bad use of a pet doesn’t make the pet itself bad (you can always cancel bristleback’s F2 if neccessary).

2. You can control the smokefield. If it accidentially interferes with other fields, it is player failure and has nothing to do with the pet being bad.

3. Wyverns are even easier to counter than those two pets, even if players are less familiar with them. Just move arround and you can ignore them 99% of the time.

4. If you try hard enough you can find niche uses for everything. So the game is perfectly fine and balanced and nothing has to be changed, right?

FriendlyInvader.3126:

Here, let me give you some counters to wyverns:

1)Don’t stand still [I just made the pet useless o.o]

You sure that’s true? That’s all you need to do?

2) RNG for the electric wyvern charge

Really? You must be exaggerating…

I recommend people use them and get used to their strengths, I can’t imagine playing without them atm[in sPVP]. Wolf/tiger/birds can also be a viable swap for one of them.

birds…. Yes, yes, birds are great. Good thing this meta doesn’t have high damage AOE flying around everywhere, cause that would be bad for birds… Whew!

2. You can control the smokefield. If it accidentially interferes with other fields, it is player failure and has nothing to do with the pet being.

For the sake of argument… It might have something to do with the pet?

3. Wyverns are even easier to counter than those two pets, even if players are less familiar with them. Just move arround and you can ignore them 99% of the time.

Yeah, this is an exaggeration.

Here’s a neat little trick you can try vs stationary targets. Place your bristleback right on top of the target. Once there, press F1 to attack said target. If Rain of spikes is off of cooldown – laugh (especially in a combo with Sic’ em). Feel free to follow up with F2.

for pvp, bristleback and smokescale are great.

As wolfey mentions, smokescale has some downsides. Accidentally blasting for stealth…possibility. And when its all about capping/decapping in this tank meta, that can be a bad thing.

I disagree about bristleback though. Sure it’s an easy to spot animation. But does it matter when I’ve just knocked you off the point or dazed you? What are you doing then?
You can’t dodge everything. And if you can, well then it doesn’t really matter what pet I bring cause you can just dodge it, right?

Wolfey.3407:

Please show me in the post that you quoted, where I stated fern hound kept people at that % by it’s self. In fact, what you quoted had nothing to do with fern hound.

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Regen and healing is something that you can never have too much of. Hell, I had a game not even 5 minutes ago to where I was able to keep my team around 80% hp against 3 Dragon Hunters, 1 Diamon Skin Tempest, and 1 Power Reaper. My little fern hound did wonders on keeping regen up. …

Wolfey.3407:

2) Fern hounds F2 is amazing for a supportive role. When I’m running a supportive druid role, I am able to constantly keep my team at around 85-90% hp through out the whole fight.

Nothing to do with Fern Hound. My bad… You haven’t used Fern Hound in any of your comments mentioning keeping people alive. And you never needed his healing to do that so you rather used the pet with healing you didn’t need (because it comes of your wherever)

I have healing coming out of my @## i can spend my finishers for might and not worry.

than using a Wolf to prevent the damage the enemy could have dealt… In reality, you are so good at healing that you do not need anything else besides druid. Not even water fields.
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I hope I’m not the only one seeing contradiction here regardless of which way you meant it.

And there’s one wrong. You can have too much regen. It doesn’t stack in intensity. It stacks in duration where excessive amount applied is wasted = too much of.

Wolfey.3407:

I love how you say no offense and then include “if you know what that means”

Maybe you should watch some PvP tournies and tell me how many rangers are actually in high end teams… no offense, if you know how to get to the stream ((see what i did there, same thing you did))

You’d be surprised how many people do not understand that expression. If you got offended by my prevention then I didn’t make it in time…
And yes, I saw the tournaments and I can say without any worries that Fire Wyverns were not winning games.

Wolfey.3407:

Again, your lack of <here> how druids work is really showing at the moment.

You lack <information about> in your sentence and I didn’t really bother. In a topic about PETS and their viability / usage, not a single point about druid in high-end PvP matters besides synergy that you haven’t even touched besides saying how Fern Hound applies regen … that doesn’t stack with regen you or your allies apply.

If you can afford to blast might finishers against 3 people while successfully decapping and capping a point against them I wonder why you are not holding onto the money from championships already. And this is not an offense. If you really can do that – you are way too good to be wasting time here.
You are basically soloing games by now. You are already better than 3 people of your MMR (that is quite high).

But then again – this is not a topic to promote your PvP stats. This is a topic about pets that you can’t defend with anything close to facts or data. Just pure assumptions and opinions that, sadly, plenty of us already proved wrong.
All that cripple and knockback that might have proven useful have a high risk of failing to hit. Which means most of positives are neglected and wasted by negatives that you cannot deny.
And your PvP stats are not going to help you with it. Being a good player has literally Nothing in common with unreliable design of pets. Period.

If you defend a pet with statement: “I use Fern Hound that has nothing in common with keeping people at 85-90% HP (I won’t quote it again, it’s at the very top, the 1st quote, you can check it)” – that only shows how you do not need a pet for anything – making any statement you made vague. Because you would be able to win against anyone with any pet of choice regardless of what it is. Even as unreliable pet as Wyvern.

tl;dr
I’m sorry but you haven’t proven anything about Wyverns, so far. Everyone can read the description of the skills. People already tested it and found out it doesn’t work in practice. If you want to prove it otherwise, you should try a different approach. This one didn’t work.

Wolfey.3407:

Please show me in the post that you quoted, where I stated fern hound kept people at that % by it’s self. In fact, what you quoted had nothing to do with fern hound.

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Regen and healing is something that you can never have too much of. Hell, I had a game not even 5 minutes ago to where I was able to keep my team around 80% hp against 3 Dragon Hunters, 1 Diamon Skin Tempest, and 1 Power Reaper. My little fern hound did wonders on keeping regen up. …

Wolfey.3407:

2) Fern hounds F2 is amazing for a supportive role. When I’m running a supportive druid role, I am able to constantly keep my team at around 85-90% hp through out the whole fight.

Nothing to do with Fern Hound. My bad… You haven’t used Fern Hound in any of your comments mentioning keeping people alive. And you never needed his healing to do that so you rather used the pet with healing you didn’t need (because it comes of your wherever)

I have healing coming out of my @## i can spend my finishers for might and not worry.

than using a Wolf to prevent the damage the enemy could have dealt… In reality, you are so good at healing that you do not need anything else besides druid. Not even water fields.
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I hope I’m not the only one seeing contradiction here regardless of which way you meant it.

And there’s one wrong. You can have too much regen. It doesn’t stack in intensity. It stacks in duration where excessive amount applied is wasted = too much of.

Wolfey.3407:

I love how you say no offense and then include “if you know what that means”

Maybe you should watch some PvP tournies and tell me how many rangers are actually in high end teams… no offense, if you know how to get to the stream ((see what i did there, same thing you did))

You’d be surprised how many people do not understand that expression. If you got offended by my prevention then I didn’t make it in time…
And yes, I saw the tournaments and I can say without any worries that Fire Wyverns were not winning games.

Wolfey.3407:

Again, your lack of <here> how druids work is really showing at the moment.

You lack <information about> in your sentence and I didn’t really bother. In a topic about PETS and their viability / usage, not a single point about druid in high-end PvP matters besides synergy that you haven’t even touched besides saying how Fern Hound applies regen … that doesn’t stack with regen you or your allies apply.

If you can afford to blast might finishers against 3 people while successfully decapping and capping a point against them I wonder why you are not holding onto the money from championships already. And this is not an offense. If you really can do that – you are way too good to be wasting time here.
You are basically soloing games by now. You are already better than 3 people of your MMR (that is quite high).

But then again – this is not a topic to promote your PvP stats. This is a topic about pets that you can’t defend with anything close to facts or data. Just pure assumptions and opinions that, sadly, plenty of us already proved wrong.
All that cripple and knockback that might have proven useful have a high risk of failing to hit. Which means most of positives are neglected and wasted by negatives that you cannot deny.
And your PvP stats are not going to help you with it. Being a good player has literally Nothing in common with unreliable design of pets. Period.

If you defend a pet with statement: “I use Fern Hound that has nothing in common with keeping people at 85-90% HP (I won’t quote it again, it’s at the very top, the 1st quote, you can check it)” – that only shows how you do not need a pet for anything – making any statement you made vague. Because you would be able to win against anyone with any pet of choice regardless of what it is. Even as unreliable pet as Wyvern.

tl;dr
I’m sorry but you haven’t proven anything about Wyverns, so far. Everyone can read the description of the skills. People already tested it and found out it doesn’t work in practice. If you want to prove it otherwise, you should try a different approach. This one didn’t work.

Bristleback vs heavy golem (sorry for crappy quality):

https://youtu.be/QLcWvJ-dOa4