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[PvP build] Magic Mender
Cant say for sure but i think you rather go with the classic setups of WS/BM/DRUID or NM/BM/DRUID , why go NM if you dont take WHAO for the crzay boon stacking. Why would you take both NM/WS over the BM which give so much utlity and damage(bunker duids damage is being carried by pets). amulet and rube picks are solid( I also run lyssa on my builds). Not sure on sword/horn – you probably took only for the regen uptime(you main source of regen) you probably would rather go somthing else if had already swiftness/regen). the “faceroll” build I use when I want to relax is:
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@Lugh
I’ve been thinking about BM for a while and … I realized that in the whole traitline… There’s only 1 trait I need and that would be Resounding Timbre. Since I use only 2 shouts and I have the way to go around Swiftness and regen – I realized NM is the most useful traitline for that matter.
No other line offered me swiftness, regen, fury, Defense and panic Quickness. There’s something useful in every tier unlike BM. Because let’s be frank … Which boons apart from might are you going to share with your pet? That’s right. And heavy might comes only from SotP that I can do exactly the same way. Bristle’s F2 into SotP and my warhorn results in both me and pet with 25 might. The same magic trick.
With this combination there’s defensive playstyle, retreat, offensive game-style, and no clear weakness (neither condi nor burst thanks to Bark Skin + Protective Ward).
There’s one thing that people misunderstand. It’s not BM that brings the damage. It’s NM that gives pet might.
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I understand your points and it worths a try but i also take BM for the extra stats on pets ,the+300 ferosity, the quickness and might on swap(better than panic quickness ^^) even the master traits while not great, offer some utility. With you setup u have like ~50%(down from 100% with BM builds) regenuptime which is important for astral force regen, you have no might stacking capabilities( with WHAO you also stack protaction,quickness etc…) your CD on shouts is longer(you use 2 shouts), I agree NM boost pet damage togather with BM thats why most top tier builds take NM/BM/DRUID.
But I do appriciate inovative builds and different play styles.
@Lugh
If you break the theory down you’ll see that I have everything you are telling me I’d have with BM tree.
On demand Quickness? Check
High Protection uptime (higher than with WHaO after every dodge roll)? Check
Burst Astral Bar filler with regen (and bonus blast heal)? Check
No might stacking capabilities? I have them on exactly the same cooldown as your build. There’s literally no might stacking outside of SotP either (you need Axe for that).
Moreover, with Guard I get almost 25 might instantly and thanks to NM my pet does as well. (edit – it’s more than on your build)
As I’m reading it – you might just have not realized what actually has the synergy with what. Everything you said I don’t have – I do.
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Haven’t tried the new guard but WHaO is much more reliable than trying to get might on yourself with SotP and bristle f2. I almost never land the whole attack. Its telegraphed and easily avoidable. Any player that has played druids frequently will be looking out for it. Especially considering the WH, you can get a lot more might with WHaO and BM. SotP is on a shorter cd with bm, when it is down, you can might stack with WHaO after smokescale assault and/or after horn 5.
Not sure if that makes it better overall than NM but i dont think the might stacking abilities are comparable. BM beats it out by a lot (excluding guard since a bm build could make use of guard also).
The wyvern surprised me. Why did you go with that over the smokescale?
The wyvern surprised me. Why did you go with that over the smokescale?
People of my divisions have learned how to avoid burst from Bristle and SmokeScale a long time ago. Not to mention that I have enough pressure from weapons as it is.
And if I was to choose between smokescale (that gets dodged anyways) and a safe-stomp, I chose the other. Personal preference, though. I prefer to be useful even in teamfights (where SmokeScale sucks rock hard).
People constantly think about all those 25 might stacking on ranger … And yet no one can bring it to the full effect in current meta. Rangers have zero burst from themselves, our condi is unreliable (bonfire is immobile) and brings lack of defenses, and the only difference is mighted pet that… gets countered by experienced players anyway.
Celestial is gone – is what the moral of the story of might-stacking is.
I suppose none of you have tried the build yet.
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Tragic, Why you choose ancient seeds in stead of LLight?
Tragic, Why you choose ancient seeds in stead of LLight?
Mostly the synergy with Wyvern. It technically forces the player to blow 1 cleanse ability that each player is limited with.
(edit: a few players asked me directly and it made me realize that I didn’t mention most important use of this trait – CAF #3 > CAF #5 quickness nuke – that I felt was obvious since I mentioned it in thread)
Lingering Light might be a good alternative if you tend to be more of a teamfight support player.
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i’ve played something similar and like it, it can be very strong in 1v1 and druid gives good support in team fights. i’ll usually take GoL to provide buffs to my team in teamfights or my pet and self in 1v1s. Why not entangle over SotP? it would give you another condi cleanse and immob. also wolf > wyvern? Lightning Assault is pretty telegraphed as well but i guess so is the wolf.
I’m sorry, Dave. I’m afraid I can’t do that.
i’ve played something similar and like it, it can be very strong in 1v1 and druid gives good support in team fights. i’ll usually take GoL to provide buffs to my team in teamfights or my pet and self in 1v1s. Why not entangle over SotP? it would give you another condi cleanse and immob. also wolf > wyvern? Lightning Assault is pretty telegraphed as well but i guess so is the wolf.
I decided for SotP because of Stability. It also allows me to go offensive without having to worry I’ll die (might). Personal preference. I felt like I need no more cleanse.
Wolf was my very 1st pet choice I went with with this build. I just came to love the safe-stomp very much. But unlike Wolf, Wyvern’s F2 is instant and affects downed targets. Both are solid choices but for different use.
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Tragic, I get this is your build and your opinion an I respect that… but this build looks terribly disjointed. It is low in damage. All it really has is damage reduction modifiers, stun breaks and regen which frankly I don’t think thats enough with how bursty the current meta is.
I still think that crusader gs/staff, zerker lb/gs and the BM NM druid from last season are superior than this. That said use what ever you feel works for you. I’ll believe it when I see it.
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Tragic, I get this is your build and your opinion an I respect that… but this build looks terribly disjointed. It is low in damage. All it really has is damage reduction modifiers, stun breaks and regen which frankly I don’t think thats enough with how bursty the current meta is.
I still think that crusader gs/staff, zerker lb/gs and the BM NM druid from last season are superior than this. That said use what ever you feel works for you. I’ll believe it when I see it.
I’m actually thankful to all the feedback, good and bad. Truthfully, I’m more glad to hear negative feedback because it means there’s still room for me to improve my build.
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