Guild Wars 2

Anyone else miss the patch days when nothing happened to Ranger at all?

I’m not really understanding if pets were nerfed because “omg op spvp BM ranger”, why in pve too? Clearly with the patch notes for mesmers they can differentiate the two. I can’t imagine why on earth we needed a pve pet nerf.

lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It’s obvious that they have no defining vision for this profession. These balance changes juxtaposed to the last balance changes have no continuity. The ranger isn’t building to anything.

So when can we expect Jon Peters to come in and make a thread with a smarmy title and promise a bunch of buffs that will never come?

I doubt it we any Devs here for while unless some other skill/trait breaks with the hot fixes and only then be told it will get fixed next major patch.

Aridia.3042:

Pedra.4381:

Aden Celeste.3650:

Im honestly baffled… i cant express my disappointment right now… Is there someone at Anet listening to this?

Yes.

And laughing all the way to the bank. And they will continue to until we hit them where it hurts and force them to listen. We should all stop buying gems and spending money on thier store.

Stop buying gems? That would assume that I’ve bought any in the first place.

I’ve seen nothing yet from this team that would warrant further monetary support on my part. Broken classes, zerg/pvd WvW meta, RNG skins? No thanks.

My $250 I pledged on Camelot Unchained is looking like a better and better deal on every GW2 patch.

I’m with you on Camelot Unchained.
They can forget about me buying anymore gems. After this Patch/ Ranger Nerf, as the Ranger is now a completely broken class I’ll be taking some time off from the game.
The ranger needed a 30% buff across the board, and reccieved a 30%+ Nerf. While the Mesmer and Ele needed a 50% nerf across the board, and got buffed. It looks like Anet is trying to force everyone into 3 classes (mesmer, ele, guardian).
Camelot Unchained can’t get here soon enough.

I am lost for words on this joke of a patch.

Nerfing pet damage, when it’s supposedly 50% of our overall damage, with NOTHING given in return.

And then the icing on the cake- forget using a shortbow, we have REDUCED the range from something decent to something that is now useless if trying to hit anything from a wall- while that other class can happily hit you from miles away.

I swear they are clueless about this class, and it’s quite clear they all used to play thief and now spend time on their guardians when they aren’t on thiefs.

I’m convinced they don’t test any of this stuff with any real players or ask anyone who actually plays about any of these changes- EVERYONE would have told them rangers don’t need a nerf and to nerf by such a huge amount all in one go AND reduce the range by 1/3…..some thief playing dev must really hate us!

Culain.6495:

Aridia.3042:

Pedra.4381:

Aden Celeste.3650:

Im honestly baffled… i cant express my disappointment right now… Is there someone at Anet listening to this?

Yes.

And laughing all the way to the bank. And they will continue to until we hit them where it hurts and force them to listen. We should all stop buying gems and spending money on thier store.

Stop buying gems? That would assume that I’ve bought any in the first place.

I’ve seen nothing yet from this team that would warrant further monetary support on my part. Broken classes, zerg/pvd WvW meta, RNG skins? No thanks.

My $250 I pledged on Camelot Unchained is looking like a better and better deal on every GW2 patch.

I’m with you on Camelot Unchained.
They can forget about me buying anymore gems. After this Patch/ Ranger Nerf, as the Ranger is now a completely broken class I’ll be taking some time off from the game.
The ranger needed a 30% buff across the board, and reccieved a 30%+ Nerf. While the Mesmer and Ele needed a 50% nerf across the board, and got buffed. It looks like Anet is trying to force everyone into 3 classes (mesmer, ele, guardian).
Camelot Unchained can’t get here soon enough.

Mesmer got buffed? They took a big hit to phantasm builds and the shatter build got a nerf to blurred frenzy but mostly came out of it in the same position.

The only buffs they got were to create an interruption build and nobody has used it enough yet to see if it is any good.

My ranger is going on the shelf… they say pet are the reason for are Meh dmg… then give a 50% dmg nerf to the ones that were most effective… WTF are they smoking.

Sandpit.3467:

Shiren.9532:

What happened to balancing with small changes? In one patch they did a massive nerf to the shortbow’s range, they move a 5 point trait that almost every build used to a 30 point trait (quickness on pet swap) and did an almost universally across the board significant pet DPS nerf. These are not small changes and they all came in the same patch. How is this fine tuning?

They had to, clearly rangers were so vastly overpowered in ANet fairy land.

There was a rumour that a ranger once beat a thief in WvW, ANet just had to act on that.

No i have to take responsibility for this nerf, I was able to take down and stake a Mesmer 2 weeks ago, my friend that was watching said you know they will nerf the rangers now right ? I’m so sorry guys it was pure kitten luck and I think he fell asleep during the fight .

Faux Sheaux.6179:

Puandro.3245:

To think that 5v5 takes more skill to play then 1v1 is laughable. Specially in GW2. Running alone means you have no one to carry you if you make mistakes. Ive seen many players over the years claim that group fights take more skill then solo fights just to get kitten on by me when they try to 1v1 me thinking they are better. Fact is group fights is more about communication and less about individual player skills.

You little crap buff to give grps swiftness and regen still doesnt make you good in a grp. My ele brings perma speed ( i can stack 1+ min of swiftness in 5 secs) and near perma regen/protection with 9-12 stacks of might in combat. Also a bit of fury. I cleanse and drop actual substancial heals to my grp. Also i have an actual way to stomp enemies on short CDs compare to rangers. Lastly i can do all this while still providing more dps then a ranger will able be to short of a clarity daze gimmick build. Oh i forgot to mention the CC.

Such an acidic post.

I never said 5v5s or group fights. I said “teamwork”. And while I didn’t specify, I never said that I did it on ranger. I didn’t even say what I meant by “teamwork”. You’re assuming. I purposefully kept it vague to avoid assumptions and you STILL choose to put words in my mouth.

You know what I do when I’m not on my ranger? I’m screwing around with a mesmer while I’m on my thief (or visa versa) while pulling people out of zergs, off cliffs, etc etc. Sometimes I work with him to stealth cap a tower or keep. That has nothing to do with 5v5s, but that’s what I’m doing when I’m not on my ranger. My definition of “teamwork” is different than yours. I purposefully didn’t specify what I meant by it because I didn’t want some hothead post like yours attached to mine.

Don’t look at the game in such a black-and-white manner. We both ran overpowered builds that took a whole lot less skill on our part to win in a 1v1 than it did from the opponent a majority of the time. Of course there were certain exceptions of skilled individuals who made it very tough to win, but for the most part, roaming and 1v1s were a walk in the park. You’re kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

And yes, you’re right. There are better ways to be useful to a group than spamming shouts all day. You can quote other classes just fine. Why don’t you put those creative muscles to the test? Figure out something for the ranger since you’re so deadset on bashing the one small opportunity we’ve got so far in being remotely useful in a group. If you come up with something better, then props to you – awesome job.

In the entirely likely chance that you can’t come up with something better, don’t waste your time responding to me. Vent at someone else. I’m as displeased as you are. I don’t know why you chose me to get stuck up at, but I can point you in the right direction if you’re still lost. I’m not responsible for the changes. There are other guys who are paid that made the final call on this.

Then again, the Devs will probably ignore you as much as they have any other ranger on this forum.Get mad at them, not the others still being ignored as well.

Since you were agreeing with Chopps i assumed 5v5 and group fights. Anyways i also have other alts (Ranger is my 6th 80 btw) so if i am grouping, my Ranger is the last class i would bring before and after the patch.

Anyways i don’t think the BM build was OP at all, it had good counters to it and wasn’t a win or stalemate build. Phantasm Mesmer and HGH Engi would always win against the Ranger if they were even skilled opponents while other classes could stalemate or sometimes win. Ele/Ranger/Necro/Thief could win or lose while even the warrior could just ignore you and run (but warriors have been bad since like ever until maybe now).

Lastly i ran a non full BM bunker build for most of my play time but i did start with it, also i was Power and you were Condi from what i saw on your vids, diff playstyles.

yay yay..so much ********* even if it makes fun to test some new builds..

Lindelle.3718:

I’m not really understanding if pets were nerfed because “omg op spvp BM ranger”, why in pve too? Clearly with the patch notes for mesmers they can differentiate the two. I can’t imagine why on earth we needed a pve pet nerkitten

plit the hit point values of clones and phantasms by game type:
Increased the phantasm base hit points by 55% in PvP and WvW.
Increased the phantasm base hit points by 270% in PvE.
Decreased the clone base hit points by 25% in PvP and WvW.
Increased the clone base hit points by 28% in PvE.

Holy crap, you’re right. This makes no sense then. My pets were by no means OP in PvE. We’ll never get an explanation for this so I’m just going to sit here and sulk.

Puandro.3245:

Since you were agreeing with Chopps i assumed 5v5 and group fights. Anyways i also have other alts (Ranger is my 6th 80 btw) so if i am grouping, my Ranger is the last class i would bring before and after the patch.

Anyways i don’t think the BM build was OP at all, it had good counters to it and wasn’t a win or stalemate build. Phantasm Mesmer and HGH Engi would always win against the Ranger if they were even skilled opponents while other classes could stalemate or sometimes win. Ele/Ranger/Necro/Thief could win or lose while even the warrior could just ignore you and run (but warriors have been bad since like ever until maybe now).

Lastly i ran a non full BM bunker build for most of my play time but i did start with it, also i was Power and you were Condi from what i saw on your vids, diff playstyles.

No worries, and yeah there are definitely better classes for group play. I’m just trying to offer my two cents to help those stubborn rangers who insist on playing this class no matter what.

Also, I did run a power build as well… just decided to stop recording myself playing. I mean that the whole “regen ranger” was overpowered. We really have some disgusting regen, and just because there are builds out there that can beat us, that doesn’t mean we weren’t running something that was going to beat 99% of the other players we ran into. That’s all I’m trying to say. Keep in mind that I’m talking specifically about 1v1 fights since you were using those as example for skill.

Faux Sheaux.6179:

Puandro.3245:

Since you were agreeing with Chopps i assumed 5v5 and group fights. Anyways i also have other alts (Ranger is my 6th 80 btw) so if i am grouping, my Ranger is the last class i would bring before and after the patch.

Anyways i don’t think the BM build was OP at all, it had good counters to it and wasn’t a win or stalemate build. Phantasm Mesmer and HGH Engi would always win against the Ranger if they were even skilled opponents while other classes could stalemate or sometimes win. Ele/Ranger/Necro/Thief could win or lose while even the warrior could just ignore you and run (but warriors have been bad since like ever until maybe now).

Lastly i ran a non full BM bunker build for most of my play time but i did start with it, also i was Power and you were Condi from what i saw on your vids, diff playstyles.

No worries, and yeah there are definitely better classes for group play. I’m just trying to offer my two cents to help those stubborn rangers who insist on playing this class no matter what.

Also, I did run a power build as well… just decided to stop recording myself playing. I mean that the whole “regen ranger” was overpowered. We really have some disgusting regen, and just because there are builds out there that can beat us, that doesn’t mean we weren’t running something that was going to beat 99% of the other players we ran into. That’s all I’m trying to say. Keep in mind that I’m talking specifically about 1v1 fights since you were using those as example for skill.

Yah im talking 1v1 and i dont think BM Regen Rangers were OP because they had counters. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on that one.

Except that 1v1 is the exception case for GW2.

Puandro.3245:

Yah im talking 1v1 and i dont think BM Regen Rangers were OP because they had counters. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on that one.

Works for me

i like the new changes to the longbow, its a step in the right direction. the pet nerfs were unwarranted though. they need to either give pets more survivability or undo the dmg nerfs.

So no more boring as hell BM/Bunker video’s, hell yeah I say.

Best patch ever. We all new how un-skilled the bm build was lol.

Sol.4310:

So no more boring as hell BM/Bunker video’s, hell yeah I say.

Best patch ever. We all new how un-skilled the bm build was lol.

Challenge accepted >:)

atleast there better than all the shortbow 1 spam vids.

Sandpit.3467:

They had to, clearly rangers were so vastly overpowered in ANet fairy land.

There was a rumour that a ranger once beat a thief in WvW, ANet just had to act on that.

That was Robert Hrouda claiming he could use his wolf F2 ability while fighting thieves and beat them. He lied.

Nugget.8031:

Sol.4310:

So no more boring as hell BM/Bunker video’s, hell yeah I say.

Best patch ever. We all new how un-skilled the bm build was lol.

Challenge accepted >:)

atleast there better than all the shortbow 1 spam vids.

But srsly you can’t tell me after none stop videos of bm/bunkers you wasn’t getting bored of watching, more or less same build killing in WvW, there really wasn’t much change between the countless videos. If anything its like you got makeover every time a new one was posted.

I just hated the BM/Bunker it’s a great starter build for new players but it isn’t any outside of 1v1. + a good trap ranger can beat it.

Sol.4310:

Nugget.8031:

Sol.4310:

So no more boring as hell BM/Bunker video’s, hell yeah I say.

Best patch ever. We all new how un-skilled the bm build was lol.

Challenge accepted >:)

atleast there better than all the shortbow 1 spam vids.

But srsly you can’t tell me after none stop videos of bm/bunkers you wasn’t getting bored of watching, more or less same build killing in WvW, there really wasn’t much change between the countless videos. If anything its like you got makeover every time a new one was posted.

I just hated the BM/Bunker it’s a great starter build for new players but it isn’t any outside of 1v1. + a good trap ranger can beat it.

Trapper ranger is kitten against any non-bunker. Phantasm mesmer will tear you a new one, as can D/P or S/D thief with rampant condi cleanse. A hybrid ele will kill you, and you stand no chance against an engineer.

And like throwing traps and spamming shortbow 1 was any more interesting. At least on my BM bunker I actually needed to do skill shots like shotgun splitblade or time my evades because BM was never a real bunker — he could not tank damage the way a guardian or ele could and instead relied on good evasion.

Yeah, BM bunkers, for all they are called unskilled noobs, have lower toughness than any other bunker except maybe ele. We didn’t have access to any of the defensive boons allowed other bunkers aside from regen, we didn’t have projectile reflection, no blocks, no mistform, no death shroud, no shields, rare access to burst heal skills like other classes, etc etc.

We had regeneration, and we had evades… lots of them. So saying people are unskilled for playing a build that literally forces you to learn your opponents in order to fight them effectively is a bit unfair.

They should sell Ranger Tear’s in the trading post.

Are they tradable for new cosmetic armor?

any one get why the quickness trait was moved in the BM trait line? its not like it was OP cause hell we are rangers I think it was just moved to the grandmaster major slot to add insult to injury I mean they could have easily made it accessible by putting 10 or 15 traits in there which would also help bring up some pet dmg for people not running full BM but its like they want to punish our class mechanic and make it kitten and make it so no one wants to use pets.
I mean what would the reason be to even drop a few points in the BM trait pool now? its not going to make pets any more dmging, its not going to affect builds significantly (we don’t have a spec based on downing our selves on purpose do we?) I find it sad now that this is the first time I feel that I would enjoy my ranger without a pet and with a boost to dps… I enjoyed the pet up until this point but now it has lost it’s sense of meaning for me since I can’t compliment my build with it anymore.
so for the first time I will say I hope arena net takes out pets and just gives us a more substantial mechanic that can compliment all styles of our playing

God if you could cash them in for gold we all be rich.

Sticking to my hybrid BM Bunker spec, so far i see nothing better for my playstyle.

Hahaha I saw this coming from a mile away, it was clear after the first nerfs that ranger would never be fixed properly.

I rerolled a guardian 6 months ago, best decision I ever made in this game.

I do miss Mr Cuddles sometimes, it feels nice having a pet with you when playing solo (assuming the AI works properly).

The BM ranger tears are quite delicious I must admit

Ryan.8367:

The BM ranger tears are quite delicious I must admit

what do you mean BM rangers? nerfs were across the board with all rangers, no matter your spec the pets you had unless you used only spiders are doing less dmg then they were previously.

sorry, this nerf is because me… i beated once a thief in wvw

I’m glad I’m not a BM ranger, but I know that this sucks for everyone. I’m a condition ranger so things always were pretty bad for me anyway.
Shortbow is now my melee weapon lol

It is really frustrating to see my main character getting worse and worse with every “balancing fix”. If it wasn’t for my alts, I guess I would never have been able to finish the new dungeon. Granted, the dungeon is not AI friendly at all, but I thought this game was supposed to support every play style, so that everyone would be able to do everything, regardless of class. Guess I was wrong.

I’m surprised noone came up with this yet, but why not put that 30 from BM into skirmishing, and run a regen trap build? Or put 20 in skirmishing and 10 into marksmanship with increased condi duration from pets. Then run chill pets with it. Something like this. You can use two bears (black/brown/polar) and protect me for more tankiness instead of Frost trap if you want.

Seriously, ANet… you’ve gone a little crazy on the nerf button this time. You’ve effectively turned a class that is supposed to excel with ranged weapons into… I don’t even know what yet, but now it’s even weaker than every other profession in every imaginable aspect. What’s been said above about the ranger not filling any niche is spot on, and even more so after this patch. This is pure ridiculousness and needs addressed.

My ranger main was the first character I created because I’ve always loved the archer classes. I leveled some alts to 80 to play around and learn, but I just seemed to come back to the ranger and you’re really trying to take ALL the fun out of it. I’ve bought thousands of gems for him and really do want to continue using my SB/LB, but I’m gonna get laughed off the field and spend way too much silver on repair bills.

No more buying gems until the ranger is brought up to par. And if it never does, guess I’ll go back to Elder Scrolls – I hear they have an online game coming out… :P

Criminal.5627:

Ryan.8367:

The BM ranger tears are quite delicious I must admit

what do you mean BM rangers? nerfs were across the board with all rangers, no matter your spec the pets you had unless you used only spiders are doing less dmg then they were previously.

The bm ranger build consisted of high healing/tank and maxed survivability with high evasion and relied more on the pet than anything while you danced around like a kitten poking people with miniscule damage. Most of the time resulting in a stalemate against a good player or facerolling baddies who attempted to try to counter it.

The faceroll spec got hit most out of em all and peeps that use pets for cc not dmg saw little to no change. I started using pets strictly for cc , again back in september when i realized anet had no direction/dedication to fixing the pet ai.

My only thing is the WAY they nerfed the pets, its funny in order to squash one bm bunker build they nerf pets across the board, sucks for people that relied heavily on them for damage – but then again it’s anet… I’m not really surprised.

There’s 2 builds you have to thank for this nerf , all the kittenty BM bunker rangers who made vids and the op point bunker build in PvP.

Now rangers have to actually work for the kill.

Edit: The range on shortbow is miniscule at best… I mean seriously, as a shortbow skirmish ranger you’re most likely within 900 ranger anyway. I saw little to no change fighting tonight vs when I’ve dueled before. It’s seriously not that big of a deal, yea you can’t chase far enough anymore but it’s still verrrrry minor.

Has anyone played around to see if LB is better for open world PvE than SB now? (as in, just roaming killing mobs, farming, doing events, world bosses, etc.) Or more bluntly, is it faster at killing individual mobs?

Lambent.6375:

Has anyone played around to see if LB is better for open world PvE than SB now? (as in, just roaming killing mobs, farming, doing events, world bosses, etc.) Or more bluntly, is it faster at killing individual mobs?

If you can stay at max range, yes otherwise no.

the problem is not the nerf. who cares about a half decent ai what cant hit a moving target… the pain is the gain. the ranger still not good in range. not enough damage to spike down somebody befor they reach us or enogh cc to keep distance.

Puandro.3245:

Lambent.6375:

Has anyone played around to see if LB is better for open world PvE than SB now? (as in, just roaming killing mobs, farming, doing events, world bosses, etc.) Or more bluntly, is it faster at killing individual mobs?

If you can stay at max range, yes otherwise no.

Thanks, sb it is. (except for mostly stationary bosses/mobs)

Lambent.6375:

Puandro.3245:

Lambent.6375:

Has anyone played around to see if LB is better for open world PvE than SB now? (as in, just roaming killing mobs, farming, doing events, world bosses, etc.) Or more bluntly, is it faster at killing individual mobs?

If you can stay at max range, yes otherwise no.

Thanks, sb it is. (except for mostly stationary bosses/mobs)

Even before the patch I found this to be the most relaxing overworld build:

LB/GS
30/0/10/0/30
Full clerics with either Dwayna runes + mango pie or (if you WvW), Hoebrak + condition reduction food

Actually , BM builds were not OP if you are facing anyone who knows how to Joust or Circle Strafe .

PvP may or may not have been the problem as pets have the same stat pool but players have a lower one , and you are forced to fight on point . But even then i would argue that guardians are far better and bunkering and that elementalists are just better at everything .

condition necro is much more fun now. My god the torment I’ve done and forced people to run with by fearing them!

Sandpit.3467:

There was a rumour that a ranger once beat a thief in WvW, ANet just had to act on that.

I have to sincerely apologize to everyone involved, especially the whole ranger community, but this was – incidentally – my fault.

Some days ago, I had to go run a WvW puzzle fairly quickly, to catch up with my daily before the reset.

The closest character ready to do the job quick and dirty was this one, sort of obsolete, ranger of mine (fairly obsolete since I mastered a warrior, a thief, an elementalist, and a guardian, wouldn’t you think), so this all being late in the night, and me not really thinking much at that point, I jump her into WvW like that’s actually a place for a ranger to be.

So here I am, running towards my daily puzzle, when a supply camp – Bluevale, was it? I think it was – suddenly flips right next to me and this lone thief that just soloed it on his own fires towards me, you’d say – literally out of the doorstep.

Seeing there’s really not much point in trying to run – I’m on a ranger, right – I decide to wait this half a second that takes him to close the gap to me, and meet him head on in a fair and decent fight (please, you, person in the back row, don’t chuckle. This is a serious matter after all). Checking my skill belt, I notice I still have a Signet of Stone equipped from that day I was testing something in PVE and subsequently forgot to remove it – after all, we all know rangers are not supposed to bring it into any fair and square pvp and pointlessly keep delaying all the master classes from killing them for a few dragging seconds, but oh well – it seems that incidentally, I just did exactly that.

So hey, it was late, I was tired, I notice the signet there, so what I am to do? Yes, I hit it, just for the fun, you would say. To my shock and awe, and most importantly – to my incredible luck, what unfolds in front of my eyes over the next minute is the most terrible and incompetent thief play I have ever seen in my life, and so this thief literally unloads his entire bursts, several times over and over, into my invulnerable signet, while my pet wolf is able to land two actual true hits on him, bringing him to what seems like a half of his hp (wolves are extremely op and should be removed from the game, I believe every decent soul can can agree on that any time).

So this Thief is starting to panic, blows out his shadow refuge and instantly breaks it again for no apparent reason, which somehow allows me to land a hilt bash on him, stunning him for about an actual second, thus additionally allowing me to hit him once or twice in close range, while actually being visible. After that, he heals to near full hp and starts blinking out of my range with his shortbow.

It might have been an instinct, I’m not sure, but I quickly switch to my shortbow too, and despite all the odds, no magical “obstructed!” appears and I successfully land a concussion shot on him right as he is about to cross the 1200 range, quickly followed by a crippling shot, which again allows my pet to land a third and final hit on him during this fight.

So exploiting my crazy op pet’s melee damage and my insanely overpowered shortbow crossfire, I manage to down the thief – and kill him – still leaving me with about 100-150hp left in the end.

Despite all my good manners, I’m so overwhelmingly baffled by this fight, that I can’t resist and in a cheerful spirit, I /laugh an emote in direction of his body, still lying in a pose conveying a complete state of shock and amazement.

Little did I know at the moment that this was, presumably, Jon Peters’ secret thief balance testing character, and by my indecent and arrogant actions, I presumably shattered said character’s virtual world into tiny little pieces for the rest of his virtual life.

I did not know, and I apologize for this. I apologize to all my fellow rangers, and I apologize to this – presumed, of course – Jon Peters’ secret character, for what I did.

I know I can’t take it back, but let’s not punish everyone else for it. I take all the responsibility – ban my Ranger from the game, and revert the latest patch for everyone else. I deserve it. They don’t.

Let’s just pretend that at that day, that one, sole kill never happened.

Please.

or that was me, when i killed an afk thief… maybe they think its not fair if they cant go and watch a movie while on the battlefield… must to nerf the dmg still they dont need to care about something like enemy…

Ryan.8367:

The BM ranger tears are quite delicious I must admit

Who cares about the BM ranger? The problem is that they have nerfed all builds (you use pets always), and this is absurd.

People who think BM Rangers relied entirely on Pets for damage don’t understand the spec.

I’ve got videos of me using all different kinds of pets, from Cats/Drakes/Pigs/Dogs/Devours/Spiders/Birds

Yes some pets were obviously better then others..But you could still kill people fairly easily with most pets because the power of BM Bunker is the ability to apply a crap ton of conditions (and a lot of different ones) onto the target very quickly and consistently. The Pet damage is just icing.

BM Bunker is still viable after the patch, Only we have even less choices now then before….While every other Ranger build has also eaten a nerf because these pets were gutted.

Anyone who thinks this patch is fine needs to get their head examined.

Also Rangers need to really look at Anet on how they handle things.

Guardians, which everyone considers kitten near mandatory for most groups, Is considered probably the best class in the game, has some of the best group utility and substain in the game got nothing but buffs this patch….Not a single nerf was given to them.