Shouting Ranger Build (Need some help)

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Posted by: Aylpse.6280

Aylpse.6280

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNBjYD7kSFoVQshFwfFgrFMQIU+sPD3+uDBQV/fxun7Fs6A-TpBFwANOIAtvAALOCAt2foaZAAPAAA

This is what I am currently running. Designed for my personal playstyle (An Evasive Power Beastmaster, I like the fact I have a pet and feel OCD if I am not using it to its best ability.)

I could argue this is a more “reliable” variant compared to my previous version(s), but Condi PU/Burn Guard running rampant it would take someone a LOT better then me to effectively use this right now. But the more I look at it the better it is then the predictors but I’ve hit a brick wall lately.

Issues
Solider/Trooper Runes – Answers the above, but loses damage and it becomes an attrition spec, done better by “cheesier” builds available.
D/D Ele – Ranger inherently loses to any D/D that knows its rotation. Even with the nerfs. Its still ingrained into my head to run away, likely do to the fact almost all D/D Eles are trash talkers and have a superiority complex to Rangers for some reason.
Condi Clense – On a gamble.
Possibly traits that need tweeking.

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Posted by: Justine.6351

Justine.6351

I’m not sure why you are running shouts/nm over wm traitline and survival skills. It would solve all your problems with conditions, doesn’t need healing power (regeneration with no healing power?), a better stun break with lightning reflexes, free rune choice, cheaper sigil (124g!?!) and blind on f2.

That’s just what I see.

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Posted by: Aylpse.6280

Aylpse.6280

I’m not sure why you are running shouts/nm over wm traitline and survival skills. It would solve all your problems with conditions, doesn’t need healing power (regeneration with no healing power?), a better stun break with lightning reflexes, free rune choice, cheaper sigil (124g!?!) and blind on f2.

That’s just what I see.

A) Shouts offer on-demand stability (SotP) and better boons then WS. The primary reason I took them was for the stability to better deal with Interrupt Mesmers, Shield Warriors, and the like.

B) The regen is insignificant, yes. But swiftness has an almost constant up time, you’d be amazed by the extra mobility.

C) I am well aware WS and SoF are the best traitline/traits we have right now, but I am trying for something outside of it. Most players are expecting a wilderness ranger and will bait/pressure the cleanses. I’ve also played it to death.

I am in no way disregarding your advice, I am going to try something along the lines of this as soon as I finish with the current one.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNBjYDbkQFaZxSWwhF4axAhQt7QAU1fvv75ePvrQMUwqD-TpBFwANOIAy3fgwFAYxRAoaZAAPAAA

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Posted by: Gotejjeken.1267

Gotejjeken.1267

I’d take bountiful hunter, but otherwise it seems serviceable enough. I’m running something similar but with WS instead of Marks, so basically a survival shout.

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Posted by: Justine.6351

Justine.6351

Well no one can blame you for using sotp.

As for good players baiting cleanses, good players will bait any utility skill you have. It’s also why you take condi removal on more then just an overpriced sigil and a signet.

If you want to use shouts you are probably going to need to look at stats other than pure glass. Trooper runes would cure some of your condi problems. Maybe some cleric gear for +healing power & toughness. With those two changes you can dump sos for sotw to pickup some burst again and more stability.

I really would dump sic em at this point. Could pickup protect me or guard.

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Posted by: Kitty.1502

Kitty.1502

The issue with going shouts in pvp is that they really don’t do anything for you, or when they do they can cripple you in other ways. Examples:

Protect Me!: Can end with your pet being killed and now you have a long time on pet swap.
Sick ’Em!: The bonus will go away if you use a shout or tell your pet to do anything, basically blocking you from your pet for 10 seconds or waste the skill.
Guard!: Takes up a spot in your utility slot
Search and Rescue!: Why ever take this in pvp.

You are also left with determining what staple defensive skills you are willing to lose. If you drop survival you lose a lot of condi skills and ability to get out of being ensared. If you drop signets you lose out on the best turn off damage skill we have.

In general shouts just don’t do enough and against majority of meta builds you will end up being a free kill if the player is competent.

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Posted by: Gotejjeken.1267

Gotejjeken.1267

The issue with going shouts in pvp is that they really don’t do anything for you, or when they do they can cripple you in other ways. Examples:

Protect Me!: Can end with your pet being killed and now you have a long time on pet swap.
Sick ’Em!: The bonus will go away if you use a shout or tell your pet to do anything, basically blocking you from your pet for 10 seconds or waste the skill.
Guard!: Takes up a spot in your utility slot
Search and Rescue!: Why ever take this in pvp.

You are also left with determining what staple defensive skills you are willing to lose. If you drop survival you lose a lot of condi skills and ability to get out of being ensared. If you drop signets you lose out on the best turn off damage skill we have.

In general shouts just don’t do enough and against majority of meta builds you will end up being a free kill if the player is competent.

I think Sic Em is the least offensive of those, as it still provides regen when traited and a reveal. More helpful when roaming though then in groups, and obviously more helpful against a class that stealths a lot.

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Posted by: vespers.1759

vespers.1759

Sick ’Em!: The bonus will go away if you use a shout or tell your pet to do anything, basically blocking you from your pet for 10 seconds or waste the skill.

Knew it went away if you command the pet but didn’t know it was also cancelled when casting another shout…

Man why is Sic em such a borken skill apart from the reveal?

/facepalm.

Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.

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Posted by: Kitty.1502

Kitty.1502

The issue with going shouts in pvp is that they really don’t do anything for you, or when they do they can cripple you in other ways. Examples:

Protect Me!: Can end with your pet being killed and now you have a long time on pet swap.
Sick ’Em!: The bonus will go away if you use a shout or tell your pet to do anything, basically blocking you from your pet for 10 seconds or waste the skill.
Guard!: Takes up a spot in your utility slot
Search and Rescue!: Why ever take this in pvp.

You are also left with determining what staple defensive skills you are willing to lose. If you drop survival you lose a lot of condi skills and ability to get out of being ensared. If you drop signets you lose out on the best turn off damage skill we have.

In general shouts just don’t do enough and against majority of meta builds you will end up being a free kill if the player is competent.

I think Sic Em is the least offensive of those, as it still provides regen when traited and a reveal. More helpful when roaming though then in groups, and obviously more helpful against a class that stealths a lot.

It isn’t useless, but for a slot skill to deal with thieves/mesmers it is something you should only slot if you expect heavy thief/mesmer use

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Posted by: Aylpse.6280

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Alright, thanks everyone! Going to keep looking for the right build.

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Posted by: Shadelang.3012

Shadelang.3012

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJATRnUqA9Ci1CCuCCctgBMhyP8F4x/bYyr4eZHgAogVPA-TZRGABAcBA6uMwBHCgEeCAAt/AA

This is what ive been using since the specialization shift. Ive been running shouts for around since launch so I feel I know the build pretty well.

I have moderate to high success against D/D ellies. Soldier engineers give me much more trouble than DD ellies do.

The general Idea is might stacking for the pet. Getting 6 stacks of might whenever you swap onto the pet makes its first leap attack a killer. Combine with a well timed hilt bash for the bonus damage and youl see 7-9k crits. Ive downed thieves in under 3 seconds from a pet leap+maul combo.

You won’t have the highest personal damage with this setup. But thats generally not what shouts are about anyway. This is the closest thing ive found to the true beast master playstyle.

The shouts are very useful for stripping condis such as chill/weakness/blind off you and your pet. As well as cleansing your pet of the more deadly conditions it takes off of you. Evasive purity is very good at keeping you just barely out of enemy reach when combined with the natural vigor minor trait.

The build is mostly about timing in practice. Knowing exactly how to trigger your pet into certain combos and using your owns kills in conjuction with that. I have found canines work better with the shout utiltiies thank to there attack patterns and the way those patterns combine with sic em and guard. Putting your canine into stealth in order to mask its leap attack with the sic em buff is VERY rewarding.

If only the shout utilities themselves were better.

Anyway. I mostly solo pvp and solo roam in wvw. Havn’t met a build im not comfortable fighting aside from soldier engi.

Edit: when the heal as one change hits the might stacking potential is gonna be freaking AWESOME with a smokescale/wyvern combo.

posted the wrong build haha the right one is up now

Ghost Yak

(edited by Shadelang.3012)