Guild Wars 2

jcbroe.4329:

AoE with all Spirit Traits, no amulet:

Why is it only hitting 3 targets…

Ryan.8367:

Nerf it, doesn’t matter to us… Ranger is a class that has been nerfed so much in the past year, it really won’t even affect much honestly, still kittenty subpar spirit build that’s only used in PvP for a specific role which is a minute percentage of the entire Gw2 playerbase, it really won’t make much of a difference.

Oh yea , while you’re complaining to them, can you ask anet to give us some viable power builds too? We have none, if you haven’t noticed.

From my own OP:

“I am going to put out there ahead of time though that I would prefer not to see the build nerfed without other positive changes for the ranger class, because the ranger could use a good few changes to kill the “Apex Predator” build problem we suffer from (at least in a pvp setting). But this definitely needs to be fixed as soon as possible, along with many, many other balance issues that plague the game of course.”

I would LOVE to see power builds become more viable. Ranger is my main, I want to be able to play as many builds on it as humanly possible.

Atherakhia.4086:

jcbroe.4329:

AoE with all Spirit Traits, no amulet:

Why is it only hitting 3 targets…

That is a very, very good question. Seems like all of our AoE only hits 3 targets.

jcbroe.4329:

Ryan.8367:

Nerf it, doesn’t matter to us… Ranger is a class that has been nerfed so much in the past year, it really won’t even affect much honestly, still kittenty subpar spirit build that’s only used in PvP for a specific role which is a minute percentage of the entire Gw2 playerbase, it really won’t make much of a difference.

Oh yea , while you’re complaining to them, can you ask anet to give us some viable power builds too? We have none, if you haven’t noticed.

From my own OP:

“I am going to put out there ahead of time though that I would prefer not to see the build nerfed without other positive changes for the ranger class, because the ranger could use a good few changes to kill the “Apex Predator” build problem we suffer from (at least in a pvp setting). But this definitely needs to be fixed as soon as possible, along with many, many other balance issues that plague the game of course.”

I would LOVE to see power builds become more viable. Ranger is my main, I want to be able to play as many builds on it as humanly possible.

Mhm

This build is not balanced. No spec in the game can hit for a 3k base hit wearing a settler’s amulet. Also, if you’re taking spirit and the spirit dies you get another burst. Therefore, in a 21 sec CD you are potentially getting a 6k burst (non crit) out of a tanky condi class. That is not ok. Every ranger in PvP plays spirit ranger because this one spirit is too strong. Spirit ranger IS a bunker/support class and is not balanced to have the ability to do a power burst. Yes, BM was nerfed, and for relatively good reasons (pets should’ve just been changed to scale off of ranger stats a little to compensate for power rangers) but it was not balanced to have a tanky/condi class hitting for obscene amounts of power damage (like 10k raven f2s or in this case storm spirits 3-12k). I don’t care how OP you say other classes are, it doesn’t matter. From an objective stand point the storm spirit NEEDS to scale with power and deserves to be “nerfed”. Nothing in the game can take a settler’s amulet and hit for this much damage. Not balanced = needs to be changed.

With this change:

• Spirit build still viable.
• BM still viable (yes it is, 0/0/30/10/30 put the sun spirit nearby and it is WAY strong).
• Condi signets (30/x/30/x/x) viable.
• Power ranger still viable.
• Power spirits might be viable.
• Traps still might be considered viable to some.

Ryan.8367:

Actually mesmers doesn’t need to spec burst for their swordsman to hit high numbers, nor their warlock

Don’t play mesmer so I don’t know, but the Wiki says they share stats with their summoner: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Illusion

Eurantien.4632:

This build is not balanced. No spec in the game can hit for a 3k base hit wearing a settler’s amulet. Also, if you’re taking spirit and the spirit dies you get another burst. Therefore, in a 21 sec CD you are potentially getting a 6k burst (non crit) out of a tanky condi class. That is not ok. Every ranger in PvP plays spirit ranger because this one spirit is too strong. Spirit ranger IS a bunker/support class and is not balanced to have the ability to do a power burst. Yes, BM was nerfed, and for relatively good reasons (pets should’ve just been changed to scale off of ranger stats a little to compensate for power rangers) but it was not balanced to have a tanky/condi class hitting for obscene amounts of power damage (like 10k raven f2s or in this case storm spirits 3-12k). I don’t care how OP you say other classes are, it doesn’t matter. From an objective stand point the storm spirit NEEDS to scale with power and deserves to be “nerfed”. Nothing in the game can take a settler’s amulet and hit for this much damage. Not balanced = needs to be changed.

With this change:

• Spirit build still viable.
• BM still viable (yes it is, 0/0/30/10/30 put the sun spirit nearby and it is WAY strong).
• Condi signets (30/x/30/x/x) viable.
• Power ranger still viable.
• Power spirits might be viable.
• Traps still might be considered viable to some.

Fine nerf/fix it, whatever. Who gives a kitten anyway, ranger will still be a subpar class safe for being a point bunker holder so like I said before it doesn’t change much at all.

jcbroe.4329:

Ryan.8367:

jcbroe.4329:

Chopps.5047:

Two things: I gave you a level headed response and the spirit A) needs fury to crit 3k and needs 25 stack might to hit 8k, not to mention be in range

This is on a ability that the enemy can kill, launch, stun, daze, or interrupt on a 20s cooldown.

In light of these facts, jcbroe, why does it need a nerf? Because it killed you one time? I need more substance. I bet that’s why you’re getting knuckleheaded responses. Where’s the actual argument again? It’s not a free 8k, not even a free 3k.

Chopps, it doesn’t need fury to hit for 3k. It hits for a base 3k. Its crits for 5k.

And the argument is that it shouldn’t be doing that kind of damage without any power investment. It would be no problem if it hit for the amount of damage from a person built glass cannon, or semi glass cannon, the way thieves/mesmers/warriors HAVE to in order to be able to do the amount of damage they do.

For the purposes of what I’m trying to get at, I’ll post a bunch of pics.

Actually mesmers doesn’t need to spec burst for their swordsman to hit high numbers, nor their warlock

Same situation, no traits, no amulet, swordsman damage. Doesn’t look anywhere close to storm spirit:

I missed this for some reason,

Now go do it in WvW with zerker armor + cavalier trinkets + cav weapons where you max out toughness and keep critical damage and let me know what the # is.

Ranger still a fine roamer similar to a thief or a shatter mesmer. Sure we don’t have team utilities atm but skill > cheez utility.

Spvp only Nerf please.

Eurantien.4632:

Ranger still a fine roamer similar to a thief or a shatter mesmer. Sure we don’t have team utilities atm but skill > cheez utility.

Condi mesmer > any ranger build when played right atm , its utterly broken. Hammer/longbow warrior decimates any ranger build when played right atm, s/d shortbow thief decimates any ranger build atm when played right.

I see what you’re saying jcbroe. I was just pointing out things besides the fact that it’s damage. It’s important to explain things in the context of the entire game (cooldowns, ranger intention for balance, etc). I am not an expert on these matters.

Well, I for one am now much more intent on carrying frost spirit on my toolbar. Good to know!

Seems like the classic case of spvp vs. everything else. Just nerf the spirit in spvp and get it over with. Next~

And hope they don’t also nerf it in PvE and WvW…which I really doubt they’ll do, considering spirits are subpar in WvW due to AoE and zergs destroying everything, and in PvE are downright useless outside of dungeons (and then, only in certain areas if what I’ve seen is correct).

Ryan.8367:

Eurantien.4632:

Ranger still a fine roamer similar to a thief or a shatter mesmer. Sure we don’t have team utilities atm but skill > cheez utility.

Condi mesmer > any ranger build when played right atm , its utterly broken. Hammer/longbow warrior decimates any ranger build when played right atm, s/d shortbow thief decimates any ranger build atm when played right.

Well maybe I am the exception but I have won the vast majority of these fights regardless of the ranger build i play. So, this just seems false imo. But again, maybe I am the exception.

RyuDragnier.9476:

And hope they don’t also nerf it in PvE and WvW…which I really doubt they’ll do, considering spirits are subpar in WvW due to AoE and zergs destroying everything, and in PvE are downright useless outside of dungeons (and then, only in certain areas if what I’ve seen is correct).

Frost spirit? Storm spirit scaling with power is hardly a nerf to the spirit as carrion ranger can still take it and have solid DPS. But, rabid and settler rangers should not have this burst DPS available.

Again, the problem isn’t the amount of damage, it’s the lack of stat investment needed to achieve the amount of damage.

If the Storm Spirit had to have Power investment in order to do that type of damage, it would be balanced.

Go ahead and nerf, its not like its a viable wvw build anyway…

However it does once again highlight the gaping chasm between what is viable in PvP and wvw…

Also if this thing was to scale with stats it should be condition damage IMO.

Sube Dai.8496:

Go ahead and nerf, its not like its a viable wvw build anyway…

However it does once again highlight the gaping chasm between what is viable in PvP and wvw…

Also if this thing was to scale with stats it should be condition damage IMO.

Spirits is a VERY strong ranger roaming build and small group build (nature spirit heals 480 per sec). Also, spirits do scale with condi damage (as do all minions) if that is what you mean… but if you mean the power portion of it should scale with condition damage… that is just not how it should be. Power should scale with power (it is stagnant for minions) and condition damage should scale with condition damage (which it does for minions right now – except pets – ).

jcbroe.4329:

Again, the problem isn’t the amount of damage, it’s the lack of stat investment needed to achieve the amount of damage.

If the Storm Spirit had to have Power investment in order to do that type of damage, it would be balanced.

^ This.

Sigh , wrote 2 paragraphs then deleted . No point . If BM was OP and got nerfed , then by all means , nuke the ranger further

jcbroe.4329:

Again, the problem isn’t the amount of damage, it’s the lack of stat investment needed to achieve the amount of damage.

If the Storm Spirit had to have Power investment in order to do that type of damage, it would be balanced.

Couldn’t the same be said of the Mesmers and their phantasms? Mine is built to slightly tank and even then the phantasms hit really hard.

jcbroe.4329:

Again, the problem isn’t the amount of damage, it’s the lack of stat investment needed to achieve the amount of damage.

If the Storm Spirit had to have Power investment in order to do that type of damage, it would be balanced.

I agree, but you actually kind of do in a sense it’s just with trait allocation and what you’re losing by going 30 in NM. You’re not running spirits without 30 in NM, that’s just a fact because there’s no point of a spirit sitting there without the trait buffs or it will A. die without the twice health trait, B. die because it’s not moving which means as a ranger with torch i can go and put bonfire on it and then move along, and C. without the master trait it’s not producing an on-death effect either – this makes the spirit essentially useless.. I do agree with you that you don’t need stat investment, but you do need to blow 30 points into a vitality/boon duration tree to get the spirit itself to be viable and work, which could be spent going more offensive direct damage like the skirmishing tree/marksmanship tree. I do agree though, since there is no investment it’s not fair that it hits for a considerable amount. I guess we can nerf a number of pets (lightning drake f2, jag still hits hard, etc) too since they hit for a considerable amount on a BM bunker still.

jcbroe.4329:

Again, the problem isn’t the amount of damage, it’s the lack of stat investment needed to achieve the amount of damage.

If the Storm Spirit had to have Power investment in order to do that type of damage, it would be balanced.

A warrior can achieve the same damage using kill shot without any investment if the damage numbers on the wiki are correct.

Should spirit weapons be changed as well? Guardians can do similar damage with them without investing anything. That’s probably a better comparison since they’re both summoned utilities.

Show me a picture of a settler ammy mesmer, warrior, or guardian doing 3-9k with one utility on 20 sec CD (that could potentially trigger twice).

Storm spirit is not balanced at the moment.

Eurantien.4632:

Show me a picture of a settler ammy mesmer, warrior, or guardian doing 3-9k with one utility on 20 sec CD (that could potentially trigger twice).

Storm spirit is not balanced at the moment.

Neither is canine knockdowns, lightning drake f2, jag f2 , raven f2 as well. I think we should nerf these as well as the storm spirit since no stat investment.

Eurantien.4632:

Show me a picture of a settler ammy mesmer, warrior, or guardian doing 3-9k with one utility on 20 sec CD (that could potentially trigger twice).

Storm spirit is not balanced at the moment.

You could do it with a guardian, but they’ve got way better utilities so nobody bothers to make a spirit weapon build.

You’d take 20 or 30 in Zeal and take VI, X, and XI. Congrats, now your sword and hammer do more damage than storm spirit on 10 and 15 second recharges, respectively. I could test this when I get home if you want.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Spirit_Weapon#Related_traits
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Command_%28hammer%29
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Command_%28sword%29

Please do. There is no way you will get the DPS of a storm spirit.

Eurantien.4632:

Please do. There is no way you will get the DPS of a storm spirit.

But it’s not DPS though. Call Lightning is if anything a burst ability. 3-9k every 20s, even if you get lucky and get it twice with the death trait, is 240-720 DPS which is almost non-existent considering everything that has to go right to get nailed by it.

Whoever gets hit with it, forget getting killed by it, should just suck it up and deal with it as being lost in the chaos of the battlefield.

Eurantien.4632:

Show me a picture of a settler ammy mesmer, warrior, or guardian doing 3-9k with one utility on 20 sec CD (that could potentially trigger twice).

Storm spirit is not balanced at the moment.

Give that profession 25 stack might and fury like a storm spirit for 8k to make it fair (not 9k). I repeat: you need a CRIT (20% chance with fury and can ONLY crit with firy) as well as 25 stack might on the spirit for the spirit to land 8k.

You act like it’s 3k to 9k for free which basically discredits you. You don’t know what you’re talking about worse than me half the time and that’s saying something.

I got hit by a 6k “mage blast” from a mesmer illusion yesterday, it hurt but its not everyday.

The point they’re both making is that if you’re running a settler’s amulet and bunkering down, you shouldn’t be able to get those numbers with any utility on any class.

Here’s a few things I suggest need nerfs along with storm spirit since they deal way too much damage for being a bunker spec and can be achieved with settler’s amulet:

1. Jag still hits for enormous crits when bunkered down.jungle stalker as well
2. The canine can knock down for 2.5k/3k damage as well when critting, this should be dropped by atleast 30-40% in damage to scale with bunker
3. Lightning drake hits a static number 5 (correct me if im wrong on this number) base damage of 875, this is way too high for a bunker BM spec , and needs to be nerfed
4. Raven f2 deals way too much damage still for a BM specand thus should also be nerfed as well , probably 30% dmg would work well for this
5. Storm spirit , which is being discussed here, after knowing it doesn’t depend on stats at all and deals 3k noncrit and upwards to 9k with crit, this needs to be dropped considerably to fit in line with the bunker spec
6. The drake tailswipe can do about 1.5/2k dmg non crit and upwards to 5k on glass cannon thieves with a bunker spec , this neds to be nerfed considerably to go in line with the stats of bunker

I think that would just about do it for pet nerf/spirit nerf skills that hit way too hard for bunker specs options. Am I missing anything?

Chopps.5047:

Eurantien.4632:

Show me a picture of a settler ammy mesmer, warrior, or guardian doing 3-9k with one utility on 20 sec CD (that could potentially trigger twice).

Storm spirit is not balanced at the moment.

Give that profession 25 stack might and fury like a storm spirit for 8k to make it fair (not 9k). I repeat: you need a CRIT (20% chance with fury and can ONLY crit with firy) as well as 25 stack might on the spirit for the spirit to land 8k.

You act like it’s 3k to 9k for free which basically discredits you. You don’t know what you’re talking about worse than me half the time and that’s saying something.

Storm spirit can crit without fury. 9k with might maybe true but it can definitely hit around 6k crits without ANY buffs. 7k ish on really squishy targets. So I don’t think 9k was too far of a leap.

Pet mechanic (choosing dps pet as opppsed to tank pet) is precisely why ranger bunker is such an intriguing profession. Why take that away too? I sense sarcasm.

Ryan.8367:

The point they’re both making is that if you’re running a settler’s amulet and bunkering down, you shouldn’t be able to get those numbers with any utility on any class.

Here’s a few things I suggest need nerfs along with storm spirit since they deal way too much damage for being a bunker spec:

1. Jag still hits for enormous crits when bunkered down.jungle stalker as well
2. The canine can knock down for 2.5k/3k damage as well when critting, this should be dropped by atleast 30-40% in damage to scale with bunker
3. Lightning drake hits a static number 5 (correct me if im wrong on this number) base damage of 875, this is way too high for a bunker BM spec , and needs to be nerfed
4. Raven f2 deals way too much damage still for a BM specand thus should also be nerfed as well , probably 30% dmg would work well for this
5. Storm spirit , which is being discussed here, after knowing it doesn’t depend on stats at all and deals 3k noncrit and upwards to 9k with crit, this needs to be dropped considerably to fit in line with the bunker spec
6. The drake tailswipe can do about 1.5/2k dmg non crit and upwards to 5k on glass cannon thieves with a bunker spec , this neds to be nerfed considerably to go in line with the stats of bunker

I think that would just about do it for pet nerf/spirit nerf skills that hit way too hard for bunker specs options. Am I missing anything?

You forgot the biggest one: Removed Ranger Class Mechanic for balance reasons ala GW1 Smiter’s Boon.

In all seriousness though, if this happened, then it’d have to applied across the board to all allies from summons, minions, turrets, and apparently illusions(who on wiki are supposed to scale with Mesmers.).

However, having gotten used to hypocrisy and short sightedness, I expect Ranger pets and spirits to be neutered in a coming update with no recompense while our peers of other professions go about their merry day.

Eurantien.4632:

Chopps.5047:

Eurantien.4632:

Show me a picture of a settler ammy mesmer, warrior, or guardian doing 3-9k with one utility on 20 sec CD (that could potentially trigger twice).

Storm spirit is not balanced at the moment.

Give that profession 25 stack might and fury like a storm spirit for 8k to make it fair (not 9k). I repeat: you need a CRIT (20% chance with fury and can ONLY crit with firy) as well as 25 stack might on the spirit for the spirit to land 8k.

You act like it’s 3k to 9k for free which basically discredits you. You don’t know what you’re talking about worse than me half the time and that’s saying something.

Storm spirit can crit without fury. 9k with might maybe true but it can definitely hit around 6k crits without ANY buffs. 7k ish on really squishy targets. So I don’t think 9k was too far of a leap.

I have tested storm spirit. It cannot crit without fury. It cannot hit for 6k without might. Stop lying and spreading false information maybe?

Chopps.5047:

Eurantien.4632:

Chopps.5047:

Eurantien.4632:

Show me a picture of a settler ammy mesmer, warrior, or guardian doing 3-9k with one utility on 20 sec CD (that could potentially trigger twice).

Storm spirit is not balanced at the moment.

Give that profession 25 stack might and fury like a storm spirit for 8k to make it fair (not 9k). I repeat: you need a CRIT (20% chance with fury and can ONLY crit with firy) as well as 25 stack might on the spirit for the spirit to land 8k.

You act like it’s 3k to 9k for free which basically discredits you. You don’t know what you’re talking about worse than me half the time and that’s saying something.

Storm spirit can crit without fury. 9k with might maybe true but it can definitely hit around 6k crits without ANY buffs. 7k ish on really squishy targets. So I don’t think 9k was too far of a leap.

I have tested storm spirit. It cannot crit without fury. It cannot hit for 6k without might. Stop lying and spreading false information maybe?

I’m like 90% sure that is incorrect. Sigh, guess I will have to test it later.

Eurantien.4632:

Chopps.5047:

Eurantien.4632:

Chopps.5047:

Eurantien.4632:

Show me a picture of a settler ammy mesmer, warrior, or guardian doing 3-9k with one utility on 20 sec CD (that could potentially trigger twice).

Storm spirit is not balanced at the moment.

Give that profession 25 stack might and fury like a storm spirit for 8k to make it fair (not 9k). I repeat: you need a CRIT (20% chance with fury and can ONLY crit with firy) as well as 25 stack might on the spirit for the spirit to land 8k.

You act like it’s 3k to 9k for free which basically discredits you. You don’t know what you’re talking about worse than me half the time and that’s saying something.

Storm spirit can crit without fury. 9k with might maybe true but it can definitely hit around 6k crits without ANY buffs. 7k ish on really squishy targets. So I don’t think 9k was too far of a leap.

I have tested storm spirit. It cannot crit without fury. It cannot hit for 6k without might. Stop lying and spreading false information maybe?

I’m like 90% sure that is incorrect. Sigh, guess I will have to test it later.

You can take your 90% made up number and shove it up your juvenile brown bear. You’re telling me this whole time, this whole thread, you’ve been just making stuff up? For the love of all things asura, at least jcbroe deals in facts.

Chopps.5047:

Eurantien.4632:

Chopps.5047:

Eurantien.4632:

Chopps.5047:

Eurantien.4632:

Show me a picture of a settler ammy mesmer, warrior, or guardian doing 3-9k with one utility on 20 sec CD (that could potentially trigger twice).

Storm spirit is not balanced at the moment.

Give that profession 25 stack might and fury like a storm spirit for 8k to make it fair (not 9k). I repeat: you need a CRIT (20% chance with fury and can ONLY crit with firy) as well as 25 stack might on the spirit for the spirit to land 8k.

You act like it’s 3k to 9k for free which basically discredits you. You don’t know what you’re talking about worse than me half the time and that’s saying something.

Storm spirit can crit without fury. 9k with might maybe true but it can definitely hit around 6k crits without ANY buffs. 7k ish on really squishy targets. So I don’t think 9k was too far of a leap.

I have tested storm spirit. It cannot crit without fury. It cannot hit for 6k without might. Stop lying and spreading false information maybe?

I’m like 90% sure that is incorrect. Sigh, guess I will have to test it later.

You can take your 90% made up number and shove it up your juvenile brown bear. You’re telling me this whole time, this whole thread, you’ve been just making stuff up? For the love of all things asura, at least jcbroe deals in facts.

Lol. A little hostile. I have not been “making things up”. I have a lot of experience on ranger and I’m still confident storm spirit will crit without fury because it has happened frequently in 1 v 1s in matches (and I don’t use warhorn). A 6k hit on a squishy target like a thief is definitely a little under what storm spirit could actually do on a non might stacked crit. But you confidence in saying it doesn’t crit without fury made me doubt myself a little so well done. Still, no need for the personal insults and storm spirit should still scale with power.
Edit: Plus, 6k in a 2s window is completely possible, activate, spirit dies from timer = 6k base. and on a squish that would be about 9k… but I guess my “(potentially trigger twice)” was unclear.

I did some testing just now in the mists. Against the light golem, over ~10 trials, the spirit hit for between 3300~3500dmg. No crits were observed.

An observation of the previous reports: With the buff priority system and cap, how do you manage to get Fury and Might on non-players?

ChillyChinaman.6057:

I did some testing just now in the mists. Against the light golem, over ~10 trials, the spirit hit for between 3300~3500dmg. No crits were observed.

An observation of the previous reports: With the buff priority system and cap, how do you manage to get Fury and Might on non-players?

Well if it is just you and your spirits a warhorn Call of the Wild will give fury to your spirits.

Eurantien.4632:

Chopps.5047:

Eurantien.4632:

Chopps.5047:

Eurantien.4632:

Chopps.5047:

Eurantien.4632:

Show me a picture of a settler ammy mesmer, warrior, or guardian doing 3-9k with one utility on 20 sec CD (that could potentially trigger twice).

Storm spirit is not balanced at the moment.

Give that profession 25 stack might and fury like a storm spirit for 8k to make it fair (not 9k). I repeat: you need a CRIT (20% chance with fury and can ONLY crit with firy) as well as 25 stack might on the spirit for the spirit to land 8k.

You act like it’s 3k to 9k for free which basically discredits you. You don’t know what you’re talking about worse than me half the time and that’s saying something.

Storm spirit can crit without fury. 9k with might maybe true but it can definitely hit around 6k crits without ANY buffs. 7k ish on really squishy targets. So I don’t think 9k was too far of a leap.

I have tested storm spirit. It cannot crit without fury. It cannot hit for 6k without might. Stop lying and spreading false information maybe?

I’m like 90% sure that is incorrect. Sigh, guess I will have to test it later.

You can take your 90% made up number and shove it up your juvenile brown bear. You’re telling me this whole time, this whole thread, you’ve been just making stuff up? For the love of all things asura, at least jcbroe deals in facts.

Lol. A little hostile. I have not been “making things up”. I have a lot of experience on ranger and I’m still confident storm spirit will crit without fury because it has happened frequently in 1 v 1s in matches (and I don’t use warhorn). A 6k hit on a squishy target like a thief is definitely a little under what storm spirit could actually do on a non might stacked crit. But you confidence in saying it doesn’t crit without fury made me doubt myself a little so well done. Still, no need for the personal insults and storm spirit should still scale with power.
Edit: Plus, 6k in a 2s window is completely possible, activate, spirit dies from timer = 6k base. and on a squish that would be about 9k…

I like you eurantien.

Sorry if you were insulted. :p I was just being over the top

Chopps.5047:

Eurantien.4632:

Chopps.5047:

Eurantien.4632:

Chopps.5047:

Eurantien.4632:

Chopps.5047:

Eurantien.4632:

Show me a picture of a settler ammy mesmer, warrior, or guardian doing 3-9k with one utility on 20 sec CD (that could potentially trigger twice).

Storm spirit is not balanced at the moment.

Give that profession 25 stack might and fury like a storm spirit for 8k to make it fair (not 9k). I repeat: you need a CRIT (20% chance with fury and can ONLY crit with firy) as well as 25 stack might on the spirit for the spirit to land 8k.

You act like it’s 3k to 9k for free which basically discredits you. You don’t know what you’re talking about worse than me half the time and that’s saying something.

Storm spirit can crit without fury. 9k with might maybe true but it can definitely hit around 6k crits without ANY buffs. 7k ish on really squishy targets. So I don’t think 9k was too far of a leap.

I have tested storm spirit. It cannot crit without fury. It cannot hit for 6k without might. Stop lying and spreading false information maybe?

I’m like 90% sure that is incorrect. Sigh, guess I will have to test it later.

You can take your 90% made up number and shove it up your juvenile brown bear. You’re telling me this whole time, this whole thread, you’ve been just making stuff up? For the love of all things asura, at least jcbroe deals in facts.

Lol. A little hostile. I have not been “making things up”. I have a lot of experience on ranger and I’m still confident storm spirit will crit without fury because it has happened frequently in 1 v 1s in matches (and I don’t use warhorn). A 6k hit on a squishy target like a thief is definitely a little under what storm spirit could actually do on a non might stacked crit. But you confidence in saying it doesn’t crit without fury made me doubt myself a little so well done. Still, no need for the personal insults and storm spirit should still scale with power.
Edit: Plus, 6k in a 2s window is completely possible, activate, spirit dies from timer = 6k base. and on a squish that would be about 9k…

I like you eurantien.

Sorry if you were insulted. :p I was just being over the top

HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST THAT I USE A BEAR!

that was the insulting part… lol.

Ryan.8367:

The point they’re both making is that if you’re running a settler’s amulet and bunkering down, you shouldn’t be able to get those numbers with any utility on any class.

Here’s a few things I suggest need nerfs along with storm spirit since they deal way too much damage for being a bunker spec and can be achieved with settler’s amulet:

1. Jag still hits for enormous crits when bunkered down.jungle stalker as well
2. The canine can knock down for 2.5k/3k damage as well when critting, this should be dropped by atleast 30-40% in damage to scale with bunker
3. Lightning drake hits a static number 5 (correct me if im wrong on this number) base damage of 875, this is way too high for a bunker BM spec , and needs to be nerfed
4. Raven f2 deals way too much damage still for a BM specand thus should also be nerfed as well , probably 30% dmg would work well for this
5. Storm spirit , which is being discussed here, after knowing it doesn’t depend on stats at all and deals 3k noncrit and upwards to 9k with crit, this needs to be dropped considerably to fit in line with the bunker spec
6. The drake tailswipe can do about 1.5/2k dmg non crit and upwards to 5k on glass cannon thieves with a bunker spec , this neds to be nerfed considerably to go in line with the stats of bunker

I think that would just about do it for pet nerf/spirit nerf skills that hit way too hard for bunker specs options. Am I missing anything?

Perhaps the damage these things do is taken into consideration when they assigned the Ranger’s weapon and skill coefficients. I’m also completely fine with intriducing proper pet scaling to solve this issue. I honestly look forward to the day I can run full zerker and my pet crits for 20k.

Eurantien.4632:

stuff

While certainly possible, double proccing Call Lightning is a pretty contrived excuse. In a 1v1, you shouldn’t be standing near that thing since it’s a ticking time bomb. You’d also see the animation playing.

The way I see it, 1v1 no excuse, you stand to close to it and you see it raise it’s fist, move or you deserve the 3-18k Zzap with might stacking and fury.

In team fights, assuming the spirit hasn’t exploded from AoE slinging, would only hit for its base damage.

Beyond all this, I just want to see some consistency between the classes. If allies work one way for one class, than they should work another way for another class. However, each class should have some things all their own. Take away a Ranger’s pet and what do you have? A wannabe thief or a half-baked warrior. This is probably a bit much to ask for though

Ryan.8367 for president.

jcbroe & Eurantien – back to the drawing board guys.

Well… here comes the hate…. I am a PvPer and 1 v 1 on a node people often get hit by double storm spirit proc (even “top” players). Personally, I dodge it most of the time now but it took me a long time to become that aware of everything to be able to dodge the ranger, the pet, and the spirits. It is something most players can’t do. Because of that storm spirit seems not balanced. Accodingly, it should scale with power so that it can still have that damage on something like a power spirit ranger which helps create build diversity, weakens our strongest build in PvP while still keeping it viable hence creating/forcing build diversity.

I believe ALL minionish things should have their power scale off the characters like their condition damage does so things like turret engi, spirit hammer guard, etc can become viable options as well.

As for the pets… the nerf was needed. I apologize I feel directly responsible. I had a 3k armor, 20kish HP build that would 1 shot anything squishy. It was hard to play but… I absolutely murdered top players and I know O eggs still has nightmares about my ravens.

I think the way the pet nerf was handled was done poorly I think pets should have their autoattack damage reduced, and their F2 damage greatly increased so that pets become more of a skill play and less of a “ok, go get em boy” and forget type of thing. That is why they were nerfed in the first place, because anybody could grab a BM build and hit F1 and then win. But it takes a lot of work to F2, oh they dodged, F3, F1… ok… F2, Oh distortion, F3!, F3!, F1! phew…. ok, there it is F2. Basically what that means, is BM ranger gave ranger a VERY VERY low skill floor to be succesful but while I believe Ranger has the lowest skill floor I also believe it has one of the highest skill ceilings because to be REALLY sucessful we have to try to control ever aspect of a buggy AI system quickly and efficiently.

/endrant

P.S. Although I am a PvPer I have like 5 armor sets for WvW, I am a dungeon master, and almost to 30 fractals so when I say nerf something I try to think about all the implications. Storm spirit is bad in WvW (unless solo roaming with spirits because swiftness OP and you can still land the proc easy) and horribad in dungeons, while OP in PvP. Which is why it needs a change.

Double proc is from nature’s vengeance, right?

Chopps.5047:

Double proc is from nature’s vengeance, right?

Yes.

Eurantien.4632:

Chopps.5047:

Double proc is from nature’s vengeance, right?

Yes.

Ok just checking, wasnt sure what you meant