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I’m just assuming the trend will continue. We will see.

One can only hope.

its unlikly for big nerfs as it took alot of work to put the thief in his current state i guess.

I just both extra slot and made thief. Quite enjoying obliterating people in seconds while facerolling.
I hope no big nerf are incoming, because that would mean a waste of money for me.

Yeah, spamming #3 skills is such a game breaker. They might put an icd on impact trait, and may be nerf dash but I can’t see what else they will do, unless they also do something to shadow shot.

I don’t bother anymore.
I’ll keep playing my thief till I get bored and then quit for another 6 months.
I also don’t bother anymore in giving suggestions since this forum is never checked by devs.
In the end I’ll play any weapon set I wish to play, I don’t care if it’s considered bad for pvp, wvw or pve.
I don’t care anymore Anet.

Kolly.9872:

I don’t bother anymore.
I’ll keep playing my thief till I get bored and then quit for another 6 months.
I also don’t bother anymore in giving suggestions since this forum is never checked by devs.
In the end I’ll play any weapon set I wish to play, I don’t care if it’s considered bad for pvp, wvw or pve.
I don’t care anymore Anet.

Pretty much this. Apathy took over this forum so long ago.

Yeah I don’t even touch my thief anymore. I was a thief main for 2 years with 2k plus hours. After the rollercoaster of nerfs and buffs since specialization patch, thief has been left as a boring, one dimensional glass cannon. All or nothing playstyle gets hella boring, and is still considered OP by scrubs.

I see nothing good or exciting in thief’s future and have since branched out to Revenant, Mesmer, Engineer and Ranger.

Thief still under performs in one of its main purposes which is duels and 1v1 fights. In sPvP it is still mostly relegated to +1 and mobility.

Do good players even sweat a power thief in a straight up fight any more?

Straegen.2938:

Thief still under performs in one of its main purposes which is duels and 1v1 fights. In sPvP it is still mostly relegated to +1 and mobility.

Do good players even sweat a power thief in a straight up fight any more?

For the most part, no. I’ts pretty much countered in a 1v1 setting by every class.

Engi – Obvious Counter
Guardian – Enough utility to counter. Dash makes it harder though.
Rev – Depends on the rev, but these are winnable. Still a hard match-up.
Meta Mesmer (condi)- Thief shouldn’t win
Necro – Unless you run dash this is a counter and realistically still is with dash.
Meta Warror – I kill bad warriors in WvW without trying, but a thief shouldn’t out-perform a warrior. Again, dash CAN make this manageable.
Meta Ele (bunker) – It wont kill you and you wont kill it.
Druid – IMO, a druid should win. It has more than enough utility to win. However, bad ones will still die like the other classes.

Thief is really only on an even playing field when fighting itself and against someone of equal skill level. Once that happens, a lot of it is up to chance with the plethora of dodges we get now. These fights are also rare because there aren’t a lot of good thieves at this point. Most of the people that still play it have played it since the beginning. Its way too unforgiving for most people to pick up and learn at this point.

Kolly.9872:

I don’t bother anymore.
I’ll keep playing my thief till I get bored and then quit for another 6 months.
I also don’t bother anymore in giving suggestions since this forum is never checked by devs.
In the end I’ll play any weapon set I wish to play, I don’t care if it’s considered bad for pvp, wvw or pve.
I don’t care anymore Anet.

I’d welcome nerfs if it led to buffs to sets other than D/P, improve the build diversity a bit.

But let’s face it, you’re more likely to get struck by lightning then eaten by sharks.

Mordecai.6318:

I’m just assuming the trend will continue. We will see.

At this point the only way to truly nerf thief is to make it so Black Powder is a Dark field instead of a smoke field. That permanently shuts down the usefulness of D/P, and leaves us with no good weapon sets.

Wouldn’t surprise me.

Straegen.2938:

Thief still under performs in one of its main purposes which is duels and 1v1 fights. In sPvP it is still mostly relegated to +1 and mobility.

Do good players even sweat a power thief in a straight up fight any more?

Main purpose of thief is mobility and +1
It must never be a beast in 1v1 with its current superiority in mobility.
I can understand lots of thieves would appreciate…but this would create an imbalanced situation.

Kicast.1459:

Straegen.2938:

Thief still under performs in one of its main purposes which is duels and 1v1 fights. In sPvP it is still mostly relegated to +1 and mobility.

Do good players even sweat a power thief in a straight up fight any more?

Main purpose of thief is mobility and +1
It must never be a beast in 1v1 with its current superiority in mobility.
I can understand lots of thieves would appreciate…but this would create an imbalanced situation.

I disagree. First of all, there is already an imbalanced situation.

Secondly, the Thief is just another profession. It plays PvP just as every other profession. Regardless of gametype, PvP is combat oriented. Mobility in this game gives little advantage in actual combat. It only allows faster engagement and easier disengagement. Not actual combat potential. It doesn’t matter if a fly is sitting still or flying 100mph, it will never be able to defeat a fly swatter.

Thirdly, the Thief can build for no mobility and no stealth. Yet it still cannot viably build to win a 1v1 in a PvP match by giving those up.

Fourthly, +1 can be done by anyone. While the Thief may be able to get there a but faster, it still cannot hit any harder than it can in 1v1. Other professions can still hit harder than the Thief once there.

Additionally, the Thief doesn’t even have range against anyone. And even when it uses what range it has, it can do very little with its Shortbow, and has no escapability with Pistols.

Basically, the Thief is a melee fighter without much damage output (relatively), little health, and little access to defensive boons. Without HoT, there is no access to blocks, no extra dodge, and little viability.

A Thief may be able to use mobility to get to an empty point to decap it… IF the opponent leaves it empty. The Thief cannot take and hold a point, being forced to retreat at first sight of of enemy. And yes, while you can force an opponent to rotate back to that decapped point, possibly creating a 4v5 elsewhere in your favor, there was already a 4v5 in their favor while you were decapping, so your team may have been wiped already. But even if you went to even the fight, a Thief isn’t very effective in a 5v5… or even a 4v5.

Is mobility a good thing to have? Yes. Does mobility make up for lack of combat ability? No.

The Thief has mobility. Other professions have passive defenses. Other professions have more blocks. Other professions have more boons. Other professions have more health. Other professions have more armor. Other professions have longer ranged attacks. Other professions have more damage output. Other professions have lots of cleansing and healing. Other professions have strong AoE skills, while the Thief is forced to focus on a single target.

Does the Thief need everything that other professions have. No. But at the moment, it is extremely imbalanced against the Thief… much more than mobility balances out. Mobility helps, but not nearly enough. But compare the Thief’s mobility to other professions… it’s not that great of a difference… especially when you compare combat abilities.

Being a 3rd party looking in the ONLY thing that needs to be changed/nerfed is the removal of combo finishers from the dodges.

Other than that thieves are pretty weak and the pro league finals,showed no thief is the way to go.

Kicast.1459:

Main purpose of thief is mobility and +1
It must never be a beast in 1v1 with its current superiority in mobility.
I can understand lots of thieves would appreciate…but this would create an imbalanced situation.

Mobility and stealth are a thief’s defensive sustain. It is like saying warriors shouldn’t hit hard because they have heavy armor, blocks and invulns. Besides there a several classes that can easily close the gap on thief mobility.

Basically ANet nerfed the thieves overall burst and then we all watched the thief completely fall out of high level sPvP and become a pack hunter in WvW. A class that isn’t good in large scale or skirmish play should excel at small scale play.

I don’t think Thief will change this update, Necro, Ele and Warrior are the most likely to get nerfed, Guardian won’t change because Anet hate them, Revenant will get nerfed and buffed in the wrong way, Engineer/Ranger/Mesmer maybe buffed with a DPS increase.

I don’t know why they would nerf thief. I mean sure it hits really hard, but its also the glassiest class out there.one bigg hit and they die.

lol. cant say im shocked.

Mordecai.6318:

lol. cant say im shocked.

Completely uncalled for and I truly feel bad for the thief players.

So they gave us the trait for AoE venoms at default like we asked…but then nerfed venoms to the ground. What the hell were they thinking?

Guess you were right. Nerf to venom’s & to stealth attacks + 5% reduction across the board for staff.

“Stealth Attacks: All stealth attack skills will now have a 1-second recharge between uses.”
……well that sucks

“Staff Strike: The damage of this skill has been reduced by 5%.
Staff Bash: The damage of this skill has been reduced by 5%.
Punishing Strikes: The damage of this skill has been reduced by 5%.”
….that’s gonna hurt the only reason I’m brought into raids cause I can’t contribute in ANY OTHER WAY cause my class sucks and this is the only thing thief’s got going for it.

“Venomous Aura: The area-of-effect aspect of this trait has been merged into venoms as baseline. The radius has been reduced from 360 to 240. The recharge reduction has moved to Leeching Venoms.”
….WHAT?!!? they reduced the range. Guess they did it cause they merge it as part of venom skills themselves but who in their right mind would run venom’s without ‘Venomous Aura’ in the 1st place.

“Leeching Venoms: This trait no longer grants might to allies it is applied to. This trait now reduces the recharge of venom abilities.
Devourer Venom: The number of stacks that this skill applies has been reduced from 3 to 2.
Basilisk Venom: The number of stacks that this skill applies has been reduced from 2 to 1. Stun duration has been increased from 1 second to 1.5 seconds.”
…Across the board nerf to venom’s.

I’m sad.

The nerf to venomshare has wrecked my support thief build I was running for WvW. The radius was already difficult enough to handle, but at 240, it’ll be a tight squeeze to get people crowded onto a spot to take advantage of the buff. Add in the lack of might when it triggers, and overall, this is pretty weak.

Winner… Winner… OP is a Winner. Unfortunately that means we are all losers.

LOL…it’s not a balance patch if thief doesn’t get nerfed.

Wow gj op u predicted the future.

Straegen.2938:

Winner… Winner… OP is a Winner. Unfortunately that means we are all losers.

My sign is telling us the truth since 2 october 2012.
My sign is the real winner

From a PvE raid perspective, seems like an indirect buff since there are fights now where thief beats ele. The sharing of basilisk also makes them more appealing.

Dahkeus.8243:

From a PvE raid perspective, seems like an indirect buff since there are fights now where thief beats ele. The sharing of basilisk also makes them more appealing.

Tempest only beat Staff DD on Gorseval and Keep Construct now.

Amineo.8951:

Dahkeus.8243:

From a PvE raid perspective, seems like an indirect buff since there are fights now where thief beats ele. The sharing of basilisk also makes them more appealing.

Tempest only beat Staff DD on Gorseval and Keep Construct now.

You mean Sloth and KC. Cause thief is more dps @ Gorse

otome.2673:

Amineo.8951:

Dahkeus.8243:

From a PvE raid perspective, seems like an indirect buff since there are fights now where thief beats ele. The sharing of basilisk also makes them more appealing.

Tempest only beat Staff DD on Gorseval and Keep Construct now.

You mean Sloth and KC. Cause thief is more dps @ Gorse

KC also has the perma revealed I think thief may beat Ele there too

Kolly.9872:

I don’t bother anymore.
I’ll keep playing my thief till I get bored and then quit for another 6 months.
I also don’t bother anymore in giving suggestions since this forum is never checked by devs.
In the end I’ll play any weapon set I wish to play, I don’t care if it’s considered bad for pvp, wvw or pve.
I don’t care anymore Anet.

This^^. Reached stage of apathy now. I grind my legend every season and then play other games :/

BlaqueFyre.5678:

otome.2673:

Amineo.8951:

Dahkeus.8243:

From a PvE raid perspective, seems like an indirect buff since there are fights now where thief beats ele. The sharing of basilisk also makes them more appealing.

Tempest only beat Staff DD on Gorseval and Keep Construct now.

You mean Sloth and KC. Cause thief is more dps @ Gorse

KC also has the perma revealed I think thief may beat Ele there too

KC is about Burst.

Kolly.9872:

Straegen.2938:

Winner… Winner… OP is a Winner. Unfortunately that means we are all losers.

My sign is telling us the truth since 2 october 2012.
My sign is the real winner

Oh yea, I also play thief from the launch, and I can only agree – it’s so unfortunate and sad. T_T