Guild Wars 2

The ranger skill that removes stealth has to go OR

Our cloak and dagger needs to set armor to zero on hit.

These are the same. Removing all armor on a simple click is the same as a stealth reveal? How so?

Well they both remove the opponents defenses. A thief mitigates damage by stealth. Armor classes do it with armor.

Therefore if its OK to remove stealth with a ranged skill it should be OK to have a lesser ability (having to be point blank make cloak and dagger lesser).

OR just have cloak and dagger remove all armor for the same time period the rangers skill removes stealth. (8 seconds)

Oh and while we are at it we need a armor dropping trap…where all your armor loses all its damage mitigation.

Dude, you just got outplayed. Take a deep breath and go oneshot that Ranger.

Sorry to say it but

A thief doesn’t mitigate damage by using stealth unless he runs six deep in shadow arts and depends on it.

A thief mitigates damage by dodging and positioning himself properly in a fight.

A skill to remove all armor would be absolutely stupidly OP even on the worst of thieves. Ranger LB2 at least needs a target to hit and has some positional requirements. Longbow rangers are easy. They’re glassy and can’t handling close-by strafing targets.

DeceiverX.8361:

Sorry to say it but

A thief doesn’t mitigate damage by using stealth unless he runs six deep in shadow arts and depends on it.

A thief mitigates damage by dodging and positioning himself properly in a fight.

A skill to remove all armor would be absolutely stupidly OP even on the worst of thieves. Ranger LB2 at least needs a target to hit and has some positional requirements. Longbow rangers are easy. They’re glassy and can’t handling close-by strafing targets.

OK put up or shut up….Post a video of you fighting with no stealth…
LOL….You get 2 dodges….positioning…you mean like not leaving the safe area…
LOL….

Zord.6130:

Dude, you just got outplayed. Take a deep breath and go oneshot that Ranger.

I know he had to click on me and then click his button….
I feel so bad I couldn’t stop that. If only I had not already stealthed and thought I was safe….Or maybe I could just be an elementalist and get unlimited dodges….

But sigh I get 2…Then the ranger gets to stealth and my rapid fire ….oh yea I have nothing that hits him in stealth….other than AOE….no direct stabs or shots….

Skeletor.9360:

DeceiverX.8361:

Sorry to say it but

A thief doesn’t mitigate damage by using stealth unless he runs six deep in shadow arts and depends on it.

A thief mitigates damage by dodging and positioning himself properly in a fight.

A skill to remove all armor would be absolutely stupidly OP even on the worst of thieves. Ranger LB2 at least needs a target to hit and has some positional requirements. Longbow rangers are easy. They’re glassy and can’t handling close-by strafing targets.

OK put up or shut up….Post a video of you fighting with no stealth…
LOL….You get 2 dodges….positioning…you mean like not leaving the safe area…
LOL….

Define “fighting.”

I run a backstab build, so there’s not much I can do to kill someone without gaining stealth at some point in the fight.

Now, if you mean just surviving without stealth, it’s really not hard. Swap shortbow/P/D alternating dodges between 3/5 for evades/repositions/blinds for init regen, use your utilities/steal correctly, and and play passively for the duration.

Do I think the duration is a little overkill since engis and rangers have been buffed in other ways? Yes. Do I think it warrants a thief getting an auto-one-shot kill on any given target? Hell no.

And yes, you do have the ability to hit them in stealth. Every single ability in the game except for some projectile moves can hit stealthed targets. I do it frequently on my thief playing against others. It’s funny when you CnD off of the thief which just CnD’ed off of you, and you out-last them in stealth forcing them into the open since they’re usually not good enough to retrack you under stealth, and backstab them after they blow HiS or another essential stealth early.

And just for laughs.

Challenge accepted. I win. I even did this without using utilities or food running a full signet use build. I went the whole minute and won the fight. If you can’t survive for 8s against a ranger, it’s L2P. We have so many dodges and repositions on shortbow it’s not even funny. This fight as P/D would have just been unfair.

P.S. Clutch venoms :P

Skeletor.9360:

Zord.6130:

Dude, you just got outplayed. Take a deep breath and go oneshot that Ranger.

I know he had to click on me and then click his button….
I feel so bad I couldn’t stop that. If only I had not already stealthed and thought I was safe….Or maybe I could just be an elementalist and get unlimited dodges….

But sigh I get 2…Then the ranger gets to stealth and my rapid fire ….oh yea I have nothing that hits him in stealth….other than AOE….no direct stabs or shots….

Every skill that has been “activated” before you stealth will hit you, not only rapid fire/kill shot/lightning surge/ecc.. but also a normal autoattack.

You can also see the Revealed debuff on you, so don’t stealth

Why ranger’s and not engie’s?

DeceiverX.8361:

And just for laughs.

Challenge accepted. I win. I even did this without using utilities or food running a full signet use build. I went the whole minute and won the fight. If you can’t survive for 8s against a ranger, it’s L2P. We have so many dodges and repositions on shortbow it’s not even funny. This fight as P/D would have just been unfair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOjc-iiJVn4

P.S. Clutch venoms :P

Well you did say why you needed to HiS (condi clear) and you didn’t linger in the stealth mode but let me say the inevitable about the warrior… so bad…. so so bad.

When I’m on my ranger… any thief not in stealth is dead in WAY under 8s. All of them.

I find it funny how they continuously nerf eles cantrips under the excuses that too many builds rely on them or eles rely on them too much in general yet they do nothing about the fact that thieves generally cannot survive without stealth. I’m not saying to nerf stealth, I’m saying everything else needs to be buffed. Especially traps and venoms. Rangers are OP right now but it’s not because of their ability to apply revealed. The solution is not to bring them down so much as giving the other classes more options to counter them.

Skeletor.9360:

A thief mitigates damage by stealth. Armor classes do it with armor.

Stopped reading after that.
Both classes wear medium armor.

Rangers are OP? Lolwut?
I kill rangers with only one dagger. Good rangers take pistol offhand too, but those are REALLY rare.

Faeyd.5094:

DeceiverX.8361:

And just for laughs.

Challenge accepted. I win. I even did this without using utilities or food running a full signet use build. I went the whole minute and won the fight. If you can’t survive for 8s against a ranger, it’s L2P. We have so many dodges and repositions on shortbow it’s not even funny. This fight as P/D would have just been unfair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOjc-iiJVn4

P.S. Clutch venoms :P

Well you did say why you needed to HiS (condi clear) and you didn’t linger in the stealth mode but let me say the inevitable about the warrior… so bad…. so so bad.

When I’m on my ranger… any thief not in stealth is dead in WAY under 8s. All of them.

The warrior used shield block at 2% health? WTF?

Basically the thief in the video almost died to one of the worst warrior I have ever seen.

But hey, you have a prove a point some how albeit that was low.

Don’t get me wrong, there were misplays on both sides; I never said this was an example of me playing well at two in the morning, but an example that one can pretty easily survive for eight seconds without stealth. Though my build and choice not to use anything but shortbow and no utilities was definitely not helping me :P

This is awesome LOL!

You’re even giving them an alternative solution!

If they don’t like your first idea, there’s always your second awesome suggestion!

Made my day!

Lol seriously you guys who can near permanantly spam stealth asking for the only stealth breaker to be removed from the game? First it wont be removed two the window between opening and applying stealth again should be doubled just to limit the ridiculus abusive use of the backstab ability.

Cant edit my post for some strange reason… Regardless ive ran stealthless thieve build before using a sword/pistol – sword/dagger build and know what it worked quite well since i run on acrobatics!

Stealth isnt everything there is to thief ya know. ive ran many build who didnt even had it and they worked quite well.

DeceiverX.8361:

Skeletor.9360:

DeceiverX.8361:

Sorry to say it but

A thief doesn’t mitigate damage by using stealth unless he runs six deep in shadow arts and depends on it.

A thief mitigates damage by dodging and positioning himself properly in a fight.

A skill to remove all armor would be absolutely stupidly OP even on the worst of thieves. Ranger LB2 at least needs a target to hit and has some positional requirements. Longbow rangers are easy. They’re glassy and can’t handling close-by strafing targets.

OK put up or shut up….Post a video of you fighting with no stealth…
LOL….You get 2 dodges….positioning…you mean like not leaving the safe area…
LOL….

Define “fighting.”

I run a backstab build, so there’s not much I can do to kill someone without gaining stealth at some point in the fight.

Now, if you mean just surviving without stealth, it’s really not hard. Swap shortbow/P/D alternating dodges between 3/5 for evades/repositions/blinds for init regen, use your utilities/steal correctly, and and play passively for the duration.

Do I think the duration is a little overkill since engis and rangers have been buffed in other ways? Yes. Do I think it warrants a thief getting an auto-one-shot kill on any given target? Hell no.

And yes, you do have the ability to hit them in stealth. Every single ability in the game except for some projectile moves can hit stealthed targets. I do it frequently on my thief playing against others. It’s funny when you CnD off of the thief which just CnD’ed off of you, and you out-last them in stealth forcing them into the open since they’re usually not good enough to retrack you under stealth, and backstab them after they blow HiS or another essential stealth early.

OMG was that a buddy of your sucking as much as possible? And BTW you stealthed.
Plus yes you had to find the one on one fight. I wonder how many unshown fails you had…LOL what a total noob.

I could post video’s of me running away too…LOL
I can run for several minutes without anyone hitting me…NO STEALTH!

I dont know if you are serious or not but this gave me a good laugh so thank you. Needless to say i completely disagree with this post. I pvp alot and have played every profession just to know how to counter them with my thief. And ranger NEEDS skills against thieves. Especially power based rangers. So no, I say keep the skill if anything buff it.

Furthermore thieves have armour as well so stealth isnt the “only” defense we have. To take away all armor on hit is just…lols. Funny to imagine however not feasible or even logical. I mean there would even be a reason to have might stack or even basilisk if all armor could be removed. vulnerability,might, hell even immobalize, anything that helps you damage just becomes SERIOUSLY OP at that point.

I think your coming at this from the wrong angle. Instead of attacking the rangers. How about attack revealed itself. What if we could turn it into a buff instead of a debuff. Lets get this train rollin!