Guild Wars 2

First of all, my English scks sorry not my first language.

Im just tired how people keep attacking us in the forum and because of it we had so many nerfs (some for the sake of balance some not).

I bet most of the attacks comes from new players because an experienced player can kill is not like we are gods or something (I been killed so many times).

u don’t see us complaining about other classes but if we do u wouldn’t like if ure class getting nerf right? I think its time to go into another class section and complain like they do so they get nerf.

thieves are one of the classes that have very high rewards if played….perfectly….
when you make mistakes you usually pay for them with life. high risk high reward. its just the way it is. people dont understand that bc they play a more balanced class and its medium risk medium reward. and guardians are usually low risk low reward. reward is like killing characters and having ego pumped up.

The problem with Thief is it’s a pubstomper that basically kills newbies easily because they don’t understand the profession well enough yet, and/or don’t know how stealth functions in this game compared to other MMOs. So they just get confused. Thief and Mesmers are both good at confusing newbies cuz their mechanics revolve around deception. Some will even stand there idle and oblivious with their heads tilted when you stealth and not even attempt to attack you.

Unfortunately they cry nerf instead of doing a little research, or their research leads them to other newbies crying nerf (there’s a lot of them) and gives the wrong impression.

a training area might help? against AI thieves?might not be a bad idea
or AI mesmers?

I played a got join of noobs and won with 345 points. Mostly kills.

I joined a custom arena with all good players some rank 50+. I got like 30 points.

Thieves are not overpowered.

People will always complain about thieves. That will never go away because it general people do not like fighting against stealth.

The issue is further complicated by the weapon set. The thief is both the most difficult class to play and the easiest depending on your weapon set. Anyone can jump into a game with d/d and do well right away. It’s too easy to play. On the flip side, s/d is maybe the most difficult weapon set to play in the whole game. It takes a lot of skill to become good at it.

thieves fight against stealth too. just remembered that :P

For me its quite simple, one more nerf to thieves and im out of this game. Honestly its just to kittening annoying to play whack a mole with Anet.
At this point i wouldnt even mind if they would just ger rid of Stealth alltogether and finaly fix Thieves for gods sake.

And no matter how they will change stealth People will still kitten about it.
And hey anti Stealth traps my friends, they are coming with next patch. Its not like that every kittening npc including pets and stuff can still follow u in stealth or anything like that…

I Played since Beta even pre Purchased without even knowing anet just heard they were an amazing company and all that stuff. But each patch PVP wise or PVE/WVW wise was a disapointment. The only cool things probaly were the holiday events and stuff. Pvp wise it was dead from the get go, but what do u expect with the trait system?
Trait system and the forced weapon skills/Sets are the reason why theire is no Customization in this game. the other thing is we are forced with stupid amulet choices rather like in pve/wvw with 6 different stas we only have one. Now some will say “its easier to balance around that”, but look at the classes right now a bunker ranger who can still dish out kitten ton of damage is considered balanced or what?
A Mesmer who is more slippery and have more invun skills than a freaking guardian is considered balanced? etc. etc.
Honestly i will look if they again kitten up the balance with the next patch im clearly out on my side. Cant be bothered to fight the next broken class ingame each month.

Big Rant from my side but o well after all that kitten u get kinda fed up with it.

Ps:English is not my native tongue, so exuse me for my bad english—Tiamant

I used to play my thief in pve but I got tired of the constant changes and the fun slowly drained away. Stopped playing it about 2 months ago and now play my other toons which do not mutate each month. Just a question of fun for me.

I still peek in thief forums from time to time.

Interesting to watch how some people deal with NPCs that stealth. I often see them simply stand there and wait to be attacked after they stealth, or actually turn away and turn thier backs to them.

Brtiva.9721:

I used to play my thief in pve but I got tired of the constant changes and the fun slowly drained away. Stopped playing it about 2 months ago and now play my other toons which do not mutate each month. Just a question of fun for me.

I still peek in thief forums from time to time.

Interesting to watch how some people deal with NPCs that stealth. I often see them simply stand there and wait to be attacked after they stealth, or actually turn away and turn thier backs to them.

dear anet….. :P

i am also fed up, and when i expressed my disappointment, i got an infraction+topic deleted
“complaining is not allowed on our forums because is not a constructive discussion/topic”

EXCUSE ME ????
i purchased some pixels worth 40euros on another game and i am glad i did.
gw2 currently does not deserve my time or my money, as OP said.
the problems are between the chair and the screen: aka the users.
low iq and refusal to learn to counter thief, which lead to thief nerf each patch.
even in PVE, lol. why warriors are gods in pve ??

DanH.5879:

i am also fed up, and when i expressed my disappointment, i got an infraction+topic deleted
“complaining is not allowed on our forums because is not a constructive discussion/topic”

EXCUSE ME ????
i purchased some pixels worth 40euros on another game and i am glad i did.
gw2 currently does not deserve my time or my money, as OP said.
the problems are between the chair and the screen: aka the users.
low iq and refusal to learn to counter thief, which lead to thief nerf each patch.
even in PVE, lol. why warriors are gods in pve ??

I know that feeling. Whilst thieves have been OP at points, I am beginning to tire of constant changes, for no reason other than other classes tearing up and exclaiming “b-b-bbut stealth isn’t fair”, their pride has been wounded by that time they got killed “out of nowhere”.

This recent change, this anti-stealth trap, is one of the final nails in the coffin of this class. There is only one class with this mechanic, really, they are adding an ENTIRE MECHANIC to WvW to counter ONE CLASS.

That isn’t intelligent class design. It’s amateurish. Childish. Uninspired. Mis-and-uninformed.

I can’t take this much more. In a few months, when thieves have had their damage nerfed again, are stealthless and teleportless, when they are not a thief class but a true miniature warrior, I will be playing Elder Scrolls Online, and having FUN playing my class.

I thought perhaps, that I (being an massive Elder Scrolls and Guild Wars fan) would be able to play ESO and continue to play GW2, and make gem purchases. It will only take one or two more changes, not just to the thief class but the numerous mistakes ArenaNet have constantly been making to encourage me to look elsewhere.

I really do love this game, I adore it. But it’s killing me. I will not be making any further Gem Store purchases (and I have made quite a few, for a poor student).

I have also heard of so many people being infracted/banned for complaining? Really now, censorship? An MMO that doesn’t listen to its users, whilst being the voice of reason will soon tank.

It is the endless changes that put me off finally. Yes, I do/did fine on my thief. I did not say it is unplayable, broken, or anything. It was a question of fun for me. Things I enjoyed just faded away until I said “no more”. Feb. patch was the end of the line for me on my thief really. It just became less fun, and I know many more changes will come.

I have other toons that do not mutate on a basically monthly basis. Fortunately I have a couple I really enjoy.

I have almost all classes/professions…but not Engi, ever.

Why?

It is the only one which gets more nerfs/changes than the thief. What will it be next month? The one after? etc……

I just tire of the unending changes. So, no drama, I just stop playing that which is not fun for me….and won’t bother with engi at all.

manechi.8061:

u don’t see us complaining about other classes

Why do you think that is? Do you think that there’s maybe a reason that everyone complains about thieves 10x more than other classes?

And no, “L2P” would not be an adequate reply- unless you sincerely believe that people who play thief are all better than people who don’t, you must understand that skill would be generally evenly spread among classes, and yes, experienced players of other classes also think thieves are bs.

So ask yourself WHY everyone hates thieves- think long and hard about it.

Piogre.2164:

manechi.8061:

u don’t see us complaining about other classes

Why do you think that is? Do you think that there’s maybe a reason that everyone complains about thieves 10x more than other classes?

And no, “L2P” would not be an adequate reply- unless you sincerely believe that people who play thief are all better than people who don’t, you must understand that skill would be generally evenly spread among classes, and yes, experienced players of other classes also think thieves are bs.

So ask yourself WHY everyone hates thieves- think long and hard about it.

because we are so much OP in pve that we are not allowed in parties, and we can solo everything?

Travlane.5948:

thieves are one of the classes that have very high rewards if played….perfectly….
when you make mistakes you usually pay for them with life. high risk high reward. its just the way it is….

IMO a perfectly played thief will only get caught/killed if he wants to, or bites more than he can chew. And yeah I’m not one of them, so you can say L2P to me. I know you want to…

DanH.5879:

Piogre.2164:

manechi.8061:

u don’t see us complaining about other classes

Why do you think that is? Do you think that there’s maybe a reason that everyone complains about thieves 10x more than other classes?

And no, “L2P” would not be an adequate reply- unless you sincerely believe that people who play thief are all better than people who don’t, you must understand that skill would be generally evenly spread among classes, and yes, experienced players of other classes also think thieves are bs.

So ask yourself WHY everyone hates thieves- think long and hard about it.

because we are so much OP in pve that we are not allowed in parties, and we can solo everything?

I don’t disagree that thief has trouble in pve; I’m talking about pvp and wvw.

IMHO, wvw thief is OP and pve thief is UP- wvw stats/skills etc should be shared with pvp instead of pve, so thieves can get needed help in pve, and fixed for balance in pvp and wvw.

nagymbear.5280:

Travlane.5948:

thieves are one of the classes that have very high rewards if played….perfectly….
when you make mistakes you usually pay for them with life. high risk high reward. its just the way it is….

IMO a perfectly played thief will only get caught/killed if he wants to, or bites more than he can chew. And yeah I’m not one of them, so you can say L2P to me. I know you want to…

if playing perfectly is avoiding group play AND only playing 1 v 1….well then yes. if i play a thief 1 v 1….ill never lose……ever ever ever if i want to that is. but of course thats not really playing for a win. thats “re trying” which is fine bc its how the class is made. but if ur in zerg setting ofr 5 v 5 or 50 v 50 or 100 v 100 ….then you have to play amazingly careful. hence why d/p sux outside of small scenarios. 1 v 1 id give it 2nd place in all builds across all classes. 1st going to the immortal mesmer.

nagymbear.5280:

Travlane.5948:

thieves are one of the classes that have very high rewards if played….perfectly….
when you make mistakes you usually pay for them with life. high risk high reward. its just the way it is….

IMO a perfectly played thief will only get caught/killed if he wants to, or bites more than he can chew. And yeah I’m not one of them, so you can say L2P to me. I know you want to…

lemme ask you this. how many times do you get backstabbed while you are not in stealth?

TLDR for Thieves; if we don’t slot Shadow Refuge, we are essentially forked.

Now THAT says something about the class. I don’t have ROOM on my utility slot to slot more than ONE stun breaker on 60 second cooldown.

All it takes is a decent player to stun me once or twice and I’m done.

yep. true. due to the fact our hp/defense is accumulated so low….we have to ahve shadow refuge and shadowstep and either blinding powder/sos.

ok this is OP

Travlane.5948:

nagymbear.5280:

Travlane.5948:

thieves are one of the classes that have very high rewards if played….perfectly….
when you make mistakes you usually pay for them with life. high risk high reward. its just the way it is….

IMO a perfectly played thief will only get caught/killed if he wants to, or bites more than he can chew. And yeah I’m not one of them, so you can say L2P to me. I know you want to…

lemme ask you this. how many times do you get backstabbed while you are not in stealth?

Well I’m a bit tired, I hade to read this at least 3 times. I am a ranger, I am not in stealth. And I didn’t even mention backstab. What I meant to say was, a thief can escape if he can’t win. Was fighting a d/d ele just recently in wvw, I could get him to 5-10% health at which point he just ran/dashed away (no stun or cripple is stopping these guys), good luck applying bleed ont he guy as well. After he left he quickly regened to max health, and came back to get me. This is what a thief can also do. Reset the fight possibly without shadow refuge, with weapon skills that don’t have a cooldown, while I have to burn cooldowns just to get a chance to hit him. Hope this helps to understand what I mean. A perfectly played thief will get away if he gets low on health. Yes I meant 1v1 btw.

Thieves easy kill everything if played right. We excel at this, in fact we get a lot of QQ from the wvwvw section.

In spvp, though, since being able to kill isn’t the most required ability thieves suck. It’s a matter of perspective.

Piogre.2164:

manechi.8061:

u don’t see us complaining about other classes

Why do you think that is? Do you think that there’s maybe a reason that everyone complains about thieves 10x more than other classes?

And no, “L2P” would not be an adequate reply- unless you sincerely believe that people who play thief are all better than people who don’t, you must understand that skill would be generally evenly spread among classes, and yes, experienced players of other classes also think thieves are bs.

So ask yourself WHY everyone hates thieves- think long and hard about it.

Because people PROVABLY have their pride hurt by being beaten in a 1 v 1 by a decent thief. They feel like they have been cheated somehow. If a good warrior, say, absolutely drops you out of nowhere (and I have seen it happen/had it happen to me), nobody complains.

If WvW is going to be all about 1 v 1s, then delete WvW from the game entirely.

Thieves are the stealthy, sneaky, tricky class, and therefore inherently good at 1 v 1 faceoffs.

Some forkwit tried to argue with me the other day, that thieves were still OP and that they could easily kill 10 people at once. TIE UP 10 stupid people failing to blind/stun, maybe, but most certainly not kill. If so, I would LOVE to see the footage of a thief consistently killing more than a couple people when playing against GOOD players.

Upleveled newbies jump into WvW with blue items and then get surprised with a thief burst when they are still getting used to the controls and mechanics, and thencry foul on the forums because it wasn’t fair that they weren’t prepared.

THAT’S WHAT THE WVW TRAINING SECTION IS FOR.

It seems like Anet will continue to nerf thieves/babysit every other class. What is a thief without stealth/spike damage?

Anet has only shown their desperation and lack of thinking things through with the WvW stealth trap. Thieves don’t play right in the middle of Zergs, they’re on the outside, if at all. There is no reason for the stealth trap to exist other than to attempt to find stealthed thieves in a keep.

What would have been better was buffing our damage/mobility a bit, and then adding an anti-stealth mechanic to rangers (perhaps) or to existing classes, somewhere in their traits.

Though I think the mian point is, is that something is inherently wrong when you have to implement entire features for every class to deal with the mechanic of a single class, a mechanic that the class is hated for and yet built around.

If the QQers had their way, stealth would be completely removed from the game as a mechanic, damage would be reduced by 50% overall and thieves wouldn’t be allowed to shadowstep because “they come out of nowhere and I’m like, I’m busy not paying attention anyway, so it would be really great if every class had like, a thief killing magic want attached to their foreheads so that thieves died instantly when they got too close to you”.

Ffffffffffffffffffffffffffff.

I, for one, think it’s unfair that I have to deal with mesmers. I have to pay so much attention to which one is the real mesmer and this one time this mesmer killed me in like 2.3 seconds and it was totally OP. And they reflect my damage and stack confusion on me and have tonnes of tricky utilities and I can’t just sit there and autoattack them to death which is how I want to play because I’m 70% OF PLAYERS APPARENTLY.

I think that mesmers should have their clone/phantasm mechanics removed from them cause they are so OP.

QQ nerf mesmers QQ

This is what people sound like.