Guild Wars 2

So who is going to respecc condi now, if you haven’t already. If I calculate it right, it ain’t worth it anymore going mixed power gear, basically it is going to be full zerker or go home for power roamers.

I just don’t see any reason at all anymore to not run a condi warrior anymore. I am thinking of a sword/sword – sword/shield warrior, bleed and torment stacking and poison on weaponswap. Might even mix in perplexity runes. Looks real tanky and high damage.

Yep, condi warrior roaming is extremely powerful even now.

but then again.. pretty much every class is a condi roamer now.

Already full zerker so having to do 10% damage isn’t that big of a deal for me, I mean my final thrust just went from an average of 8kish to 7200 omg what will I do now doing 7200 in one hit only

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Already full zerker so having to do 10% damage isn’t that big of a deal for me, I mean my final thrust just went from an average of 8kish to 7200 omg what will I do now doing 7200 in one hit only

Yea funny thing is, they want to hit zerker to promote tanky builds more but actually are hitting the tanky builds harder. So far the logic of Anet I guess. For a full zerker build this ain’t really an issue no. Especially not when running full ascended, your damage will just drop to the days with exotic and ascended trinkets.

Only problem for roaming was that condi builds were already slightly stronger in 1vs1 situations. Now by nerfing power builds, they are definitely stronger.

I am not complaining tho, I just had more fun with my power builds than my condi builds. I already have +-25 ascended trinkets both for condi as for power builds and around 30 exotic weapons and 9 armor sets, so I can easily adjust.

It is just that I think condi specs are incredibly easy to play and really boring aswel. But yea, that is just my opinion and it hurts that they took my other options (power) away.

I’m considering quitting the game unless my siphoning necromancer has a net (no pun intended unfortunately) improvement from the other changes being made or anet lets us switch any stats that has critical damage in it. If I don’t receive either of these after just recently finishing my ascended armor, I’m going to call it a day. Building around conditions is not my style at all and any class I made that used bunker conditions had it’s gear salvaged and it’s runes sold in less than a month or so.

My necromancer is hybrid utilizing clerics, zerker, and celestial so that she can deal some sustained damage while healing up for a moderate amount but from what little I’ve heard, her 70 crit damage is going down the gutter. My warrior which as I stated was my first condi bunker was the most face roll thing I’ve played next to my regen ranger so I’m on the fence bad this time.

I’ve been roaming on my warrior using full Zerker + defensive traits to create a hybrid build, and it’s been working pretty nicely for me. If my damage drops much though, it’s going to probably be worthless to run my build over a condition build (I was thinking sword/sword as well, with a longbow swap, until I heard the bit about a pin down cast time increase… it’s already pretty easy to dodge). I’m already sacrificing defensive stats that condition builds can keep and still do full condition damage… the power of dire gear far surpasses that of soldier. I don’t really care about this for PVE, but for WvW this is pretty depressing.

Ouch, celestial is gona get hit even harder, because the % crit dmg/stat was pretty good and now they are going to drop it to a value comparable to the other stats. In other words, the change will drop your damage even more compared to zerker.

They still weren’t clear about how this would really effect PvE and WvW. I felt like they said 10% damage as an arbitrary number with no context. So I reserve any judgments until then.

And I refuse to run condi warrior because it is just pure cheese and is just simply very boring.

From what they said about normalizing the stats in regard to distribution of critical damage across pieces when they change the name/system to ferocity, it seems like this is going to hit builds using ascended berserker trinkets in combination with other armor and weapon sets harder than it will hit full berserker builds.

Thelgar.7214:

From what they said about normalizing the stats in regard to distribution of critical damage across pieces when they change the name/system to ferocity, it seems like this is going to hit builds using ascended berserker trinkets in combination with other armor and weapon sets harder than it will hit full berserker builds.

100% correct, that is why builds using a mix of knight and zerker and zerker trinkets will get a damage cut way higher than full zerker builds. It will be something around 15-20%. Which means your damage will be too low, because you only barely have enough damage by carefully balancing defense and offense.

So in other words Anet is shooting itself in the foot by nerfing semi tanky builds, something they actually want to promote???!!

Baron.7436:

Yep, condi warrior roaming is extremely powerful even now.

but then again.. pretty much every class is a condi roamer now.

Not Guardians. Without condition builds available, and with the nerfs in damage, vigor cooldown and selfness Daring roaming Guardians will be a extincted race.

The patch will both damage build diversity, skill and the previous efforts from tons of players to gear up their characters and builds. Is such an epic disaster.

I’m not sure what there intentions are — it’s true that there needs to be some changes to promote build diversity in PVE, but this is more so a symptom of poor dungeon/encounter design.

Condi roaming has been the way to go for some months now, I was honestly anticipating a nerf — I’m shocked.

Ill still be good ol Ham/GS. Plus you know, Mjolnir happened.

Its only a 10% dmg nerf in MAX GROUP SETTINGS. That means 25might/vuln/banners/spotter/etc. Even if it was a flat “youll have 10% less crit dmg” you’d have to have 100% crit chance for it to be a 10% dmg nerf. Worst case scenario youll have to do an extra auto to down someone. (Not so much tho now that i can have impact/air on my hammer now)

All in all, we need to wait for Tuesday to see how this affects things before crying how OP condi is.

Carpboy.7145:

Ill still be good ol Ham/GS. Plus you know, Mjolnir happened.

Its only a 10% dmg nerf in MAX GROUP SETTINGS. That means 25might/vuln/banners/spotter/etc. Even if it was a flat “youll have 10% less crit dmg” you’d have to have 100% crit chance for it to be a 10% dmg nerf. Worst case scenario youll have to do an extra auto to down someone. (Not so much tho now that i can have impact/air on my hammer now)

All in all, we need to wait for Tuesday to see how this affects things before crying how OP condi is.

I’m not sure anyone is crying about how OP condition is, but it’s needed an adjustment for almost as long as perplexity runes have existed — this is just going to exacerbate an existing problem.

You boys need to stop worrying. With the addition of new rune sets, 2 sigil slots and how ferocity will work, you will barely notice that 10%.

Also note, it’s not just us, thieves and other classes that rely on full glass will be hit harder, and, that means they won’t be as much of a threat to you.

So chill, still going to be able to steamroll other players.

Furajir.3815:

You boys need to stop worrying. With the addition of new rune sets, 2 sigil slots and how ferocity will work, you will barely notice that 10%.

Also note, it’s not just us, thieves and other classes that rely on full glass will be hit harder, and, that means they won’t be as much of a threat to you.

So chill, still going to be able to steamroll other players.

I totally agree with this.

Furajir.3815:

You boys need to stop worrying. With the addition of new rune sets, 2 sigil slots and how ferocity will work, you will barely notice that 10%.

Also note, it’s not just us, thieves and other classes that rely on full glass will be hit harder, and, that means they won’t be as much of a threat to you.

So chill, still going to be able to steamroll other players.

Just because this happens to be a discussion on the warrior forum doesn’t mean we interpret this as a warrior nerf; in fact, it’s probably been more efficient to run a condition roaming build for a while now — this is likely a buff for the better warriors out there.

Doesn’t mean it’s not a totally unwarranted band aid that demonstrates that ArenaNet doesn’t understand the state of the game.

Jett.1239:

Furajir.3815:

You boys need to stop worrying. With the addition of new rune sets, 2 sigil slots and how ferocity will work, you will barely notice that 10%.

Also note, it’s not just us, thieves and other classes that rely on full glass will be hit harder, and, that means they won’t be as much of a threat to you.

So chill, still going to be able to steamroll other players.

Just because this happens to be a discussion on the warrior forum doesn’t mean we interpret this as a warrior nerf; in fact, it’s probably been more efficient to run a condition roaming build for a while now — this is likely a buff for the better warriors out there.

Doesn’t mean it’s not a totally unwarranted band aid that demonstrates that ArenaNet doesn’t understand the state of the game.

People are literally crying that it’s a direct nerf, and they act like it’s just to us, when it’s across the board. And you understand the state of the game so much that you give in and play condi?

Condi builds are a joke, and I can post at least 10 clips of me destroying condi players with pure power non zerker based just from today’s roaming experience which is also based around no zerker stance, and no Melandru, but Hoelbrak and bulls charge.

Crit dmg will be hit now, more changes will be made, and trust me, condi has had it’s day in the Sun, but it’s for bad players, lazy players, and it will get the change it needs in the future.

So please, give in, play condi, and I’ll be along shortly to collect your bags.

“So please, give in, play condi, and I’ll be along shortly to collect your bag”
You do know that your sig says coni ranger and your lastest vid is of condi warrior
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Everyone that knows me knows that I shelved my condi ranger almost 7 months ago for that exact reason.

The condi vid was not a vid, it was a clip that I was doing bc I was asked to theory craft a build that was different and to showcase it. It was literally so stupid that I couldn’t play it for more than a day, and went back to my normal build.

I have to agree with furajir, 80% of condi builds are stupid to play, including warrior condi. People say warriors in general are easy and so faceroll to play, when many condi builds in general are just cheesy to play. I don’t know how people can possibly have fun with most condition builds (esp warrior condi which is at the top of the list of dumb along with thief, mesmer, engi) but I guess if they are actually killing a lot of people for once in their lives who am I to knock them.

That is just me though.

I can’t wait for the day where I won’t have to pack Runes of Lyssa, SoS, Cleansing Ire and Zerker Stance all in the same build just to combat how prevalent conditions are.

When all condi users just need toughness to combat power.

Furajir.3815:

When all condi users just need toughness to combat power.

And all power users need is condi cleanse (or -condition duration food…) to combat condis.

Furajir.3815:

Jett.1239:

Furajir.3815:

You boys need to stop worrying. With the addition of new rune sets, 2 sigil slots and how ferocity will work, you will barely notice that 10%.

Also note, it’s not just us, thieves and other classes that rely on full glass will be hit harder, and, that means they won’t be as much of a threat to you.

So chill, still going to be able to steamroll other players.

Just because this happens to be a discussion on the warrior forum doesn’t mean we interpret this as a warrior nerf; in fact, it’s probably been more efficient to run a condition roaming build for a while now — this is likely a buff for the better warriors out there.

Doesn’t mean it’s not a totally unwarranted band aid that demonstrates that ArenaNet doesn’t understand the state of the game.

People are literally crying that it’s a direct nerf, and they act like it’s just to us, when it’s across the board. And you understand the state of the game so much that you give in and play condi?

Condi builds are a joke, and I can post at least 10 clips of me destroying condi players with pure power non zerker based just from today’s roaming experience which is also based around no zerker stance, and no Melandru, but Hoelbrak and bulls charge.

Crit dmg will be hit now, more changes will be made, and trust me, condi has had it’s day in the Sun, but it’s for bad players, lazy players, and it will get the change it needs in the future.

So please, give in, play condi, and I’ll be along shortly to collect your bags.

I don’t play a condition warrior either, but I’m not going to lie to myself and claim that condition builds don’t put up more a challenge than traditional power builds (see: condi nades and condi stealth/clone builds) — I’ve been expecting a nerf imminently for it, so I agree with you 100% that something is going to change.

Bear on the job.6273:

Furajir.3815:

When all condi users just need toughness to combat power.

And all power users need is condi cleanse (or -condition duration food…) to combat condis.

The difference being toughness is universally useful for a condition build, and condition reduction food is prohibitively expensive and useless against ~50% of the player base.

Furajir.3815:

Jett.1239:

Furajir.3815:

You boys need to stop worrying. With the addition of new rune sets, 2 sigil slots and how ferocity will work, you will barely notice that 10%.

Also note, it’s not just us, thieves and other classes that rely on full glass will be hit harder, and, that means they won’t be as much of a threat to you.

So chill, still going to be able to steamroll other players.

Just because this happens to be a discussion on the warrior forum doesn’t mean we interpret this as a warrior nerf; in fact, it’s probably been more efficient to run a condition roaming build for a while now — this is likely a buff for the better warriors out there.

Doesn’t mean it’s not a totally unwarranted band aid that demonstrates that ArenaNet doesn’t understand the state of the game.

People are literally crying that it’s a direct nerf, and they act like it’s just to us, when it’s across the board. And you understand the state of the game so much that you give in and play condi?

Condi builds are a joke, and I can post at least 10 clips of me destroying condi players with pure power non zerker based just from today’s roaming experience which is also based around no zerker stance, and no Melandru, but Hoelbrak and bulls charge.

Crit dmg will be hit now, more changes will be made, and trust me, condi has had it’s day in the Sun, but it’s for bad players, lazy players, and it will get the change it needs in the future.

So please, give in, play condi, and I’ll be along shortly to collect your bags.

I resemble that remark

Everything else is true though. These potential changes aren’t in a vacuum. They apply to everyone. The sky is falling mentality is laughable….although it is a little amusing.

Sounds lame, almost as lame as FOTM Warriors. Instead this thread is full of FOTM spec players, go roll a Mesmer and get out of my forum.