His build is tougher but I have to question whether its survival is that much better. With condis being the meta toughness doesn’t count for much anymore, and you simply have to save Endure Pain for any Thief/Ele spikes that come your way. Not to mention the evade on Whirlwind Attack can still be a lifesaver. I gotta say though Tremor is a nice skill. This build seems more focused on the control element while mine is singling out a target (usually Necro) and takinging them out of the fight as fast as possible. The synergy between Unsuspecting Foe, Forceful GS, and Hoelbrak runes is also something I enjoy.
Survivability is indeed much higher due to better escapes, on-demand immobolize and an additional ranged stun.
I’m not a fan of GS for this style of build what-so-ever.
Your job on the team isn’t to do cleave damage or insane spike, thats what other classes are there for (and have always been the reason not to take a warrior).
As soon as I stopped trying to make the deeps happen and relied on my teammates for that spike / cleave – my job became much clearer. If my team is cleaving a downed body, then my job is to interrupt the ressers and keep them in that AoE cleave.
Because of that it makes trait choices, sigil choices and the like much easier since I’m trying to fullfil two roles (roaming / team fight) not 3 (roaming / team fight / aoe cleave).
food 4 thought.
TLDR, most Warrior builds over extend themselves and I think that’s one of the primary reasons we’re not needed in tPvP.
The skull cracker build is more of a roaming/anti-bunker build, right?
I mean, packing high single target bursts and decent survivability you can pick out single enemies and destroy them, maybe even bunkers.
Depending on the profession of the bunker. A good Guardian bunker is not going to just drop the the Skull Crack 100b builds…too much stability, blocks, blinds, etc
An Engi? Lol Engis are so screwed by this setup – just like Necros. No stability is no fun. A bunker one will still likely be ROUGH to take out – they can trait for -53% damage when stunned or knocked down. Protection procs and another -20% on top of that trait. Cuts the damage on this build a LOT.
Yeah, but can’t you trick them into using stability?
Or can you just have acces to stun more reliabli than their access to stability?
The issue isn’t being never able to land the stun…its that the build is really a game of timing, baiting, etc to set up big bursts. A bunker guardian is not going to go down in 1 combo, you need to land it back to back a few times to take them out. That’s where it gets unlikely vrs a good bunker Guard. Blinds, Blocks out the kitten , etc. You wont land every stun and without the stun your pressure isn’t enough to burst a bunker down.
Basically the Guardian will likely not eat 2 Skull Cracks right back to back and there’s too much healing going on in between the bursts.
A bunker Engi you can just basically shut down the whole time.
Fragg – Engineer | Lil Zek – Warrior PVP R43
[DA] Decisive Actions – Jade Quarry
His build is tougher but I have to question whether its survival is that much better. With condis being the meta toughness doesn’t count for much anymore, and you simply have to save Endure Pain for any Thief/Ele spikes that come your way. Not to mention the evade on Whirlwind Attack can still be a lifesaver. I gotta say though Tremor is a nice skill. This build seems more focused on the control element while mine is singling out a target (usually Necro) and takinging them out of the fight as fast as possible. The synergy between Unsuspecting Foe, Forceful GS, and Hoelbrak runes is also something I enjoy.
Survivability is indeed much higher due to better escapes, on-demand immobolize and an additional ranged stun.
I’m not a fan of GS for this style of build what-so-ever.
Your job on the team isn’t to do cleave damage or insane spike, thats what other classes are there for (and have always been the reason not to take a warrior).
As soon as I stopped trying to make the deeps happen and relied on my teammates for that spike / cleave – my job became much clearer. If my team is cleaving a downed body, then my job is to interrupt the ressers and keep them in that AoE cleave.
Because of that it makes trait choices, sigil choices and the like much easier since I’m trying to fullfil two roles (roaming / team fight) not 3 (roaming / team fight / aoe cleave).
food 4 thought.
TLDR, most Warrior builds over extend themselves and I think that’s one of the primary reasons we’re not needed in tPvP.
The skull cracker build is more of a roaming/anti-bunker build, right?
I mean, packing high single target bursts and decent survivability you can pick out single enemies and destroy them, maybe even bunkers.
Depending on the profession of the bunker. A good Guardian bunker is not going to just drop the the Skull Crack 100b builds…too much stability, blocks, blinds, etc
An Engi? Lol Engis are so screwed by this setup – just like Necros. No stability is no fun. A bunker one will still likely be ROUGH to take out – they can trait for -53% damage when stunned or knocked down. Protection procs and another -20% on top of that trait. Cuts the damage on this build a LOT.
Yeah, but can’t you trick them into using stability?
Or can you just have acces to stun more reliabli than their access to stability?
The issue isn’t being never able to land the stun…its that the build is really a game of timing, baiting, etc to set up big bursts. A bunker guardian is not going to go down in 1 combo, you need to land it back to back a few times to take them out. That’s where it gets unlikely vrs a good bunker Guard. Blinds, Blocks out the kitten , etc. You wont land every stun and without the stun your pressure isn’t enough to burst a bunker down.
Basically the Guardian will likely not eat 2 Skull Cracks right back to back and there’s too much healing going on in between the bursts.
A bunker Engi you can just basically shut down the whole time.
Well, maybe you could be anti-bunker by being able to burst the guardian down quickly alongside another mate.
Like… you can make taking down the guardian an easier job.
You will never be able to know what an engineer is going to do next…
because he doesn’t know it himself
His build is tougher but I have to question whether its survival is that much better. With condis being the meta toughness doesn’t count for much anymore, and you simply have to save Endure Pain for any Thief/Ele spikes that come your way. Not to mention the evade on Whirlwind Attack can still be a lifesaver. I gotta say though Tremor is a nice skill. This build seems more focused on the control element while mine is singling out a target (usually Necro) and takinging them out of the fight as fast as possible. The synergy between Unsuspecting Foe, Forceful GS, and Hoelbrak runes is also something I enjoy.
Survivability is indeed much higher due to better escapes, on-demand immobolize and an additional ranged stun.
I’m not a fan of GS for this style of build what-so-ever.
Your job on the team isn’t to do cleave damage or insane spike, thats what other classes are there for (and have always been the reason not to take a warrior).
As soon as I stopped trying to make the deeps happen and relied on my teammates for that spike / cleave – my job became much clearer. If my team is cleaving a downed body, then my job is to interrupt the ressers and keep them in that AoE cleave.
Because of that it makes trait choices, sigil choices and the like much easier since I’m trying to fullfil two roles (roaming / team fight) not 3 (roaming / team fight / aoe cleave).
food 4 thought.
TLDR, most Warrior builds over extend themselves and I think that’s one of the primary reasons we’re not needed in tPvP.
The skull cracker build is more of a roaming/anti-bunker build, right?
I mean, packing high single target bursts and decent survivability you can pick out single enemies and destroy them, maybe even bunkers.
Depending on the profession of the bunker. A good Guardian bunker is not going to just drop the the Skull Crack 100b builds…too much stability, blocks, blinds, etc
An Engi? Lol Engis are so screwed by this setup – just like Necros. No stability is no fun. A bunker one will still likely be ROUGH to take out – they can trait for -53% damage when stunned or knocked down. Protection procs and another -20% on top of that trait. Cuts the damage on this build a LOT.
Yeah, but can’t you trick them into using stability?
Or can you just have acces to stun more reliabli than their access to stability?
The issue isn’t being never able to land the stun…its that the build is really a game of timing, baiting, etc to set up big bursts. A bunker guardian is not going to go down in 1 combo, you need to land it back to back a few times to take them out. That’s where it gets unlikely vrs a good bunker Guard. Blinds, Blocks out the kitten , etc. You wont land every stun and without the stun your pressure isn’t enough to burst a bunker down.
Basically the Guardian will likely not eat 2 Skull Cracks right back to back and there’s too much healing going on in between the bursts.
A bunker Engi you can just basically shut down the whole time.
Well, maybe you could be anti-bunker by being able to burst the guardian down quickly alongside another mate.
Like… you can make taking down the guardian an easier job.
This is very true! But that’s basically the role of the Sword/Mace and Mace/Shield setup…even more CC to better control the opponent to allow the burster to do their job.
Fragg – Engineer | Lil Zek – Warrior PVP R43
[DA] Decisive Actions – Jade Quarry
His build is tougher but I have to question whether its survival is that much better. With condis being the meta toughness doesn’t count for much anymore, and you simply have to save Endure Pain for any Thief/Ele spikes that come your way. Not to mention the evade on Whirlwind Attack can still be a lifesaver. I gotta say though Tremor is a nice skill. This build seems more focused on the control element while mine is singling out a target (usually Necro) and takinging them out of the fight as fast as possible. The synergy between Unsuspecting Foe, Forceful GS, and Hoelbrak runes is also something I enjoy.
Survivability is indeed much higher due to better escapes, on-demand immobolize and an additional ranged stun.
I’m not a fan of GS for this style of build what-so-ever.
Your job on the team isn’t to do cleave damage or insane spike, thats what other classes are there for (and have always been the reason not to take a warrior).
As soon as I stopped trying to make the deeps happen and relied on my teammates for that spike / cleave – my job became much clearer. If my team is cleaving a downed body, then my job is to interrupt the ressers and keep them in that AoE cleave.
Because of that it makes trait choices, sigil choices and the like much easier since I’m trying to fullfil two roles (roaming / team fight) not 3 (roaming / team fight / aoe cleave).
food 4 thought.
TLDR, most Warrior builds over extend themselves and I think that’s one of the primary reasons we’re not needed in tPvP.
The skull cracker build is more of a roaming/anti-bunker build, right?
I mean, packing high single target bursts and decent survivability you can pick out single enemies and destroy them, maybe even bunkers.
Depending on the profession of the bunker. A good Guardian bunker is not going to just drop the the Skull Crack 100b builds…too much stability, blocks, blinds, etc
An Engi? Lol Engis are so screwed by this setup – just like Necros. No stability is no fun. A bunker one will still likely be ROUGH to take out – they can trait for -53% damage when stunned or knocked down. Protection procs and another -20% on top of that trait. Cuts the damage on this build a LOT.
Yeah, but can’t you trick them into using stability?
Or can you just have acces to stun more reliabli than their access to stability?
The issue isn’t being never able to land the stun…its that the build is really a game of timing, baiting, etc to set up big bursts. A bunker guardian is not going to go down in 1 combo, you need to land it back to back a few times to take them out. That’s where it gets unlikely vrs a good bunker Guard. Blinds, Blocks out the kitten , etc. You wont land every stun and without the stun your pressure isn’t enough to burst a bunker down.
Basically the Guardian will likely not eat 2 Skull Cracks right back to back and there’s too much healing going on in between the bursts.
A bunker Engi you can just basically shut down the whole time.
Well, maybe you could be anti-bunker by being able to burst the guardian down quickly alongside another mate.
Like… you can make taking down the guardian an easier job.
This is very true! But that’s basically the role of the Sword/Mace and Mace/Shield setup…even more CC to better control the opponent to allow the burster to do their job.
Yeah, but you can be 75% of a burster by yourself. And you might not even need a glasscannon.
But I admit I don’t like the target support idea only because I am not in an organized team. The most I do is playing with my guildies on voice chat, without thinking much about the team (only check: do we have a bunker? then we goXD).
So I still don’t feel comfortable if I can’t do good damage by myself, if I am not a bunker.
You will never be able to know what an engineer is going to do next…
because he doesn’t know it himself
His build is tougher but I have to question whether its survival is that much better. With condis being the meta toughness doesn’t count for much anymore, and you simply have to save Endure Pain for any Thief/Ele spikes that come your way. Not to mention the evade on Whirlwind Attack can still be a lifesaver. I gotta say though Tremor is a nice skill. This build seems more focused on the control element while mine is singling out a target (usually Necro) and takinging them out of the fight as fast as possible. The synergy between Unsuspecting Foe, Forceful GS, and Hoelbrak runes is also something I enjoy.
Survivability is indeed much higher due to better escapes, on-demand immobolize and an additional ranged stun.
I’m not a fan of GS for this style of build what-so-ever.
Your job on the team isn’t to do cleave damage or insane spike, thats what other classes are there for (and have always been the reason not to take a warrior).
As soon as I stopped trying to make the deeps happen and relied on my teammates for that spike / cleave – my job became much clearer. If my team is cleaving a downed body, then my job is to interrupt the ressers and keep them in that AoE cleave.
Because of that it makes trait choices, sigil choices and the like much easier since I’m trying to fullfil two roles (roaming / team fight) not 3 (roaming / team fight / aoe cleave).
food 4 thought.
TLDR, most Warrior builds over extend themselves and I think that’s one of the primary reasons we’re not needed in tPvP.
The skull cracker build is more of a roaming/anti-bunker build, right?
I mean, packing high single target bursts and decent survivability you can pick out single enemies and destroy them, maybe even bunkers.
Depending on the profession of the bunker. A good Guardian bunker is not going to just drop the the Skull Crack 100b builds…too much stability, blocks, blinds, etc
An Engi? Lol Engis are so screwed by this setup – just like Necros. No stability is no fun. A bunker one will still likely be ROUGH to take out – they can trait for -53% damage when stunned or knocked down. Protection procs and another -20% on top of that trait. Cuts the damage on this build a LOT.
Yeah, but can’t you trick them into using stability?
Or can you just have acces to stun more reliabli than their access to stability?
The issue isn’t being never able to land the stun…its that the build is really a game of timing, baiting, etc to set up big bursts. A bunker guardian is not going to go down in 1 combo, you need to land it back to back a few times to take them out. That’s where it gets unlikely vrs a good bunker Guard. Blinds, Blocks out the kitten , etc. You wont land every stun and without the stun your pressure isn’t enough to burst a bunker down.
Basically the Guardian will likely not eat 2 Skull Cracks right back to back and there’s too much healing going on in between the bursts.
A bunker Engi you can just basically shut down the whole time.
Well, maybe you could be anti-bunker by being able to burst the guardian down quickly alongside another mate.
Like… you can make taking down the guardian an easier job.
This is very true! But that’s basically the role of the Sword/Mace and Mace/Shield setup…even more CC to better control the opponent to allow the burster to do their job.
Yeah, but you can be 75% of a burster by yourself. And you might not even need a glasscannon.
But I admit I don’t like the target support idea only because I am not in an organized team. The most I do is playing with my guildies on voice chat, without thinking much about the team (only check: do we have a bunker? then we goXD).
So I still don’t feel comfortable if I can’t do good damage by myself, if I am not a bunker.
Completely get you man, I am mostly the same way on my tournies. Though I would like it if I had a more regular team.
I run the build solo queing and it still works…though if I see the team comp really wouldn’t benefit from it enough I get on my burst Engi and try to 1shot people lol.
Don’t completely discount its ability to deal damage either. I get plenty of 6k or so Final Thrusts on people under 50% while they are stun locked…pretty effective for dropping anyone who isn’t a full on tank.
Fragg – Engineer | Lil Zek – Warrior PVP R43
[DA] Decisive Actions – Jade Quarry
Pretty sure he said
Mace/Shield – Paralyzation and Energy
Sword/Mace – Energy and not sure.
Fragg – Engineer | Lil Zek – Warrior PVP R43
[DA] Decisive Actions – Jade Quarry
Pretty sure he said
Mace/Shield – Paralyzation and Energy
Sword/Mace – Energy and not sure.
probably bloodlust
thanks so much, velron
NP, maybe he will answer. I can’t remember 100% for sure if he said it…or if it was someone trying to guess his build (so much of that going on too I’m confused! lol)
Fragg – Engineer | Lil Zek – Warrior PVP R43
[DA] Decisive Actions – Jade Quarry
Any1 know which sigils he used for his s/m m/sh build?
M/Sh – Energy & Paralyzation
S/M – Bloodlust & Accuracy (At least according to 17% crit chance on screenshot)
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