Guild Wars 2

Defektive.7283:

killahmayne.9518:

Would like to see a 1v1 video vs S/D thieves, I think those are the ones that will give most people trouble more so than D/D specs.

S/D is fairly common.

The pressure is a lot less than D/P so if you’re tanky enough it actually isn’t that hard to just wait out the fight.

It’s important to fight ontop of the area they Sword teleported FROM. This is because when you get a stun or CC, they’ll teleport right back to the same spot.

It’s just a more annoying build is all.

I actually haven’t thought about that, that is actually a pretty good tactic because often times before you land a combo the thief will shadowstep negating almost everything. I guess I have to watch for that more. I think with S/D thieves you have to be a lot more patient than with most builds, because like a warrior a thief is always baiting you to waste your stuns and most powerful skills so ultimately it just becomes a baiting match. S/D thieves though do have the upperhand IMO because they use initiative mostly rather than cooldowns and have more evades. In teamfights, it probably isn’t worth it sometimes for an S/D thief to take down a tanky warrior as it will probably take awhile.

Both thief and warrior are at medium-low skill cap. Thief doesn’t even know how to counter warrior with his d/p build, warrior just killing a thief that doesn’t even know what is he doing. I would suggest you to change your title to "Defektive’s “How To”: 1v1 a (midium-low level) Thief", I understand you are trying to help the community, but if you really want to watch a real good fight, you need to watch Anas Tarcis v.s. Caed. That’s a real call for good warrior v.s. good thief.

From looking at the video twice I’ll take a stab at the build. The general features are pretty much given provided it’s a CC build, and some of the other features can be elucidated by things happening in the video.

0/10/30/0/30 (could also technically be 0/20/20/0/30)

UF
DM/LS/X (third trait not sure of, but not mace or shield mastery)
VF/DotE/BM

Soldier ammy + berserk jewel as someone mentioned above

6x rune of hoelbrak

Sigils unsure except for Sigil of Doom on mace weapon set. Sigil of paralyzation likely on mace/shield set.

Saw a lot of crits with stunned/dazed foes. With no fury and unsuspecting foe that would give roughly a 62-67% chance to crit, so about 2/3 hits will crit if my guess on build is close. It seemed like defektive was getting more than 2/3rds crits on stunned/dazed targets which is why I threw up the 0/20/20/0/30 build as a possibility.

Build aside, main point of video is techniques and counters to thief abilities and should be the main point of discussion. Even an optimal build will fail if the player using it has no idea how to anticipate the moves of the enemy player they’re dueling.

The third trait is Cleansing Ire.
Not sure about DotE, in normal situation I guess he uses Warrior’s Sprint

Oni Link.4621:

The third trait is Cleansing Ire.
Not sure about DotE, in normal situation I guess he uses Warrior’s Sprint

Yeah you’re right, he did have CI too.

I said DotE b/c I saw increased dmg output when thief had buffs up that corresponded roughly to what would be expected with DotE.

deathTouch.9706:

Yeah you’re right, he did have CI too.

I said DotE b/c I saw increased dmg output when thief had buffs up that corresponded roughly to what would be expected with DotE.

I’m wondering how can you say that: DotE gives 3% damage increase per buff and they are not using steady weapons, so it may be the “fluctuation” of weapon damage.

Gmtsai.6349:

Both thief and warrior are at medium-low skill cap. Thief doesn’t even know how to counter warrior with his d/p build, warrior just killing a thief that doesn’t even know what is he doing. I would suggest you to change your title to "Defektive’s “How To”: 1v1 a (midium-low level) Thief", I understand you are trying to help the community, but if you really want to watch a real good fight, you need to watch Anas Tarcis v.s. Caed. That’s a real call for good warrior v.s. good thief.

Additional links are always good as different style may resonate with different players.

The video did illustrate several sound key points any way you slice it: getting burst on and being able to come back, understanding thieves start a fight strong (full init) and warriors weak (zero adren = zero regen), and surviving initial onslaught, etc. All great material for new warriors, and everyone once in a while to rethink how the yare playing.

If he had titled the video How I beat thieves 100%, then there is an issue :P.

Now if we were paying him to make the video, clips of losses would be included for discussion on errors and sources of improvement. Losses often are the best place to review your game play, review what the enemy did, and determine changes if any that are needed. Thieves are very beatable, its about the basic win % and ability to recover from an error that maters for a class. Good thieves typically can reset a fight as needed to recover from mistakes, Warrior sometimes can reset vs a thief..

I do wish we had better combat logs to review after a loss (option to show heals dots would be interesting in some cases)

Seeings how we did not pay him, I would say its a fine addition to gw2 warrior library (now there is a great project for someone to create a solid set of links)

Oni Link.4621:

deathTouch.9706:

Yeah you’re right, he did have CI too.

I said DotE b/c I saw increased dmg output when thief had buffs up that corresponded roughly to what would be expected with DotE.

I’m wondering how can you say that: DotE gives 3% damage increase per buff and they are not using steady weapons, so it may be the “fluctuation” of weapon damage.

Skullcracker and follow-up autoattacks hit consistently higher when target had boons than when he didn’t. It could have been random variance with small sample size but I still suspect it’s due to the bonus applied via DotE.

I also know defektive liked to use DotE in the previous builds he’s posted.

Personally i have had the most success with longbow and gs over the shield mace
My build is secret but the utilitys i take are Bulls charge Bolas and Zerk stance. Immobilizes are very amazing.

Derps.7421:

Personally i have had the most success with longbow and gs over the shield mace
My build is secret but the utilitys i take are Bulls charge Bolas and Zerk stance. Immobilizes are very amazing.

I know how Arcing Arrow on your feet can be effective.

But real men go melee. XD

(jk)

redslion.9675:

kitten s.7421:

Personally i have had the most success with longbow and gs over the shield mace
My build is secret but the utilitys i take are Bulls charge Bolas and Zerk stance. Immobilizes are very amazing.

I know how Arcing Arrow on your feet can be effective.

But real men go melee. XD

(jk)

TBH i occasionally do that for some might stacks then to combine it with signet elite then #5 on the longbow then bolas then rush/bulls charge and then destroy them.

ALSO many warriors do not know this because it never hits but rush does insanely good damage use it when your target is casting a long spell or using a heal that way if they dodge it interrupts what they are doing.

Velron.3729:

VidurrRedhands.1964:

Defektive, what amulet/gem are you using in that video?

Soldier Amulet with Berserker Jewel.

I know bc my HP is exactly the same as his and that’s what I run.

Oh crap!! You blew his top secret and kitten!!

It’s amusing listening to excuses of why selfish people don’t share their builds etc -especially in this game-. The ironic thing is these people got some of their ideas etc from other people who shared on these forums and elsewhere which is even worse.

If you look at the other profession forums by comparison, they list entire threads sharing and detailing. Check out the mesmer sticky thread for Cat’s build. A whole essay AND website.

This game is gonna come and go and it’s better to share than be remembered for being selfish if people run into you in future games.

Good sword thieves are more difficult to lock down since they have a sword shadow step up all the time on their sword to get rid of stun/immob -even though it isn’t a stun breaker but it still gaps-. You can’t kill them because they simply run away when they realize they can’t win.

I got the impression that the thief in the vid didn’t dodge in the shadow refuge for some reason. Dunno why.

You also seem to have certain things tailored for the thief which in tpvp would be unrealistic like having an axe off hand.

As for someone to ask the good thieves to go into tourneys..you can’t..because the good ones left a long time ago when they didn’t find a challenge or switched to other classes that are more rewarding.

Nice vid but you didn’t bring anything new, honestly. Stun thieves and attack and if they run you gap close. If they refuge you aoe fear/stomp/hammer/longbow etc.

Nothing new and it still won’t deal with a troll sword thief who knows how to abuse his unlimited stun evades/breaks.

Thieves in spvp aren’t a problem but in WvW they are because they tend to burst very hard, easier access to stealth and they keep trying till they get lucky or someone shows up. If it’s a friendly they run away. If its an enemy you lost. Best case scenario against a player who can abuse the thief class: neither of you win and worst case scenario: you lose. This is a broken class. A class that you can’t win against even if you are a better player:

Yza.2437:

Velron.3729:

VidurrRedhands.1964:

Defektive, what amulet/gem are you using in that video?

Soldier Amulet with Berserker Jewel.

I know bc my HP is exactly the same as his and that’s what I run.

Oh crap!! You blew his top secret and kitten!!

It’s amusing listening to excuses of why selfish people don’t share their builds etc -especially in this game-. The ironic thing is these people got some of their ideas etc from other people who shared on these forums and elsewhere which is even worse.

If you look at the other profession forums by comparison, they list entire threads sharing and detailing. Check out the mesmer sticky thread for Cat’s build. A whole essay AND website.

This game is gonna come and go and it’s better to share than be remembered for being selfish if people run into you in future games.

Good sword thieves are more difficult to lock down since they have a sword shadow step up all the time on their sword to get rid of stun/immob -even though it isn’t a stun breaker but it still gaps-. You can’t kill them because they simply run away when they realize they can’t win.

I got the impression that the thief in the vid didn’t dodge in the shadow refuge for some reason. Dunno why.

You also seem to have certain things tailored for the thief which in tpvp would be unrealistic like having an axe off hand.

As for someone to ask the good thieves to go into tourneys..you can’t..because the good ones left a long time ago when they didn’t find a challenge or switched to other classes that are more rewarding.

Nice vid but you didn’t bring anything new, honestly. Stun thieves and attack and if they run you gap close. If they refuge you aoe fear/stomp/hammer/longbow etc.

Nothing new and it still won’t deal with a troll sword thief who knows how to abuse his unlimited stun evades/breaks.

Thieves in spvp aren’t a problem but in WvW they are because they tend to burst very hard, easier access to stealth and they keep trying till they get lucky or someone shows up. If it’s a friendly they run away. If its an enemy you lost. Best case scenario against a player who can abuse the thief class: neither of you win and worst case scenario: you lose. This is a broken class. A class that you can’t win against even if you are a better player:

For the record. I’ve shared a number of builds in the past with the community. The reason I’m not sharing this one is because it isn’t mine, and the friend who made it asked me not to.

Regarding thief not being in tpvp, TP won the EU qualifier today, and brought a thief. MiM ran 2 thiefs at one point today.

And the trick to beating s/d, stand in the area they started their sword teleport, because then they can’t use it against you.

Defektive.7283:

For the record. I’ve shared a number of builds in the past with the community. The reason I’m not sharing this one is because it isn’t mine, and the friend who made it asked me not to.

@The guy above: True about his build sharing attitude, just check the Warrior subforum and you’ll see.
@Defektive: Too late, this build become public in the moment you used it on a stream XD Any average good Warrior can “read” it by watching you playing. Sorry for your friend :/

I learned one thing: some particular builds remain a secret even when revealed, for the simple reason most people can’t see its true effectiveness.

Oni Link.4621:

@Defektive: Too late, this build become public in the moment you used it on a stream XD Any average good Warrior can “read” it by watching you playing. Sorry for your friend :/

Ya he and I both knew it would happen over time, he just didn’t want it being exposed immediately.

tcbear.2357:

http://www.twitch.tv/tarcisanastasis/c/2424378

I think this video is more dramatic.

Btw nice video guide!

I’ll keep in mind that people want more dramatic videos without play by play or concepts about fighting a thief. But would prefer to see one consistently miss a single attack and take a bunch of AoE.

Defektive.7283:

TBH I don’t recommend wasting your skull crack CD for a chance to hit a most likely evading thief inside their Refuge. Better to just spam damage and have it when you need it right afterwards.

I’d still do it. If you miss, you keep the adrenaline. It has about 8sec CD then, but the Thief can stay in stealth up to 12sec anyway, so the CD doesn’t hurt much. Plus it’s fun to down a Thief in his refuge.

Defektive.7283:

I’ll keep in mind that people want more dramatic videos without play by play or concepts about fighting a thief.

You’ve gotta get with the MMO video guide metagame if you want people to pay attention.

Try this approach:

“HEY GUYS ITS XXXXDEFEKTIVEXXX LIKE AND FAVE AND SUBSCRIBE AND I’LL UHHH SHOW YOU HOW TO AAAAH PLAY THIS REALLY AWESOME WARRIOR BUILD BUILD. Wub wub wub wub wub wub wub wub ‘XXXXDEFEKTIVEXXXGUIDES ON YOUTUBE’ SO FIRST UH I’M GONNA TALK A BIT ABOUT THE WARRIOR CLASS AND UHH UM HOW I REALLY LIKE IT. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON’T PLAY THE WARRIORBECAUSE THEY THINK IT’S TOO HARD BUT I THINK IT’S PRETTY EASY AND REALLY VERSATILE. THIS BUILD REQUIRES A BIT OF GEAR FIRST SO MAKE SURE YOU’RE USING SPVP AMULETS AND UH. UH, YOU CAN GET AMULETS GEAR BY RUNNING TO NPCS OR KARMA TEMPLE RUNS OR CRAFTING. FOR THIS GUIDE I LIKE TO USE UHH berserkergearwithknightsrunesandiputtwentyinarmsmasteryandthirtyinkittensmackingthenyouwannawearalongbowandonlypopyourfearwhenyouregoingforakillingblow OKAY THANKS FOR WATCHING LIKE FAVE AND SUBSCRIBE IF YOU WANNA SEE MORE Wub wub wub wub wub wub wub.”

robocafaz.9017:

Defektive.7283:

I’ll keep in mind that people want more dramatic videos without play by play or concepts about fighting a thief.

You’ve gotta get with the MMO video guide metagame if you want people to pay attention.

Try this approach:

“HEY GUYS ITS XXXXDEFEKTIVEXXX LIKE AND FAVE AND SUBSCRIBE AND I’LL UHHH SHOW YOU HOW TO AAAAH PLAY THIS REALLY AWESOME WARRIOR BUILD BUILD. Wub wub wub wub wub wub wub wub ‘XXXXDEFEKTIVEXXXGUIDES ON YOUTUBE’ SO FIRST UH I’M GONNA TALK A BIT ABOUT THE WARRIOR CLASS AND UHH UM HOW I REALLY LIKE IT. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON’T PLAY THE WARRIORBECAUSE THEY THINK IT’S TOO HARD BUT I THINK IT’S PRETTY EASY AND REALLY VERSATILE. THIS BUILD REQUIRES A BIT OF GEAR FIRST SO MAKE SURE YOU’RE USING SPVP AMULETS AND UH. UH, YOU CAN GET AMULETS GEAR BY RUNNING TO NPCS OR KARMA TEMPLE RUNS OR CRAFTING. FOR THIS GUIDE I LIKE TO USE UHH berserkergearwithknightsrunesandiputtwentyinarmsmasteryandthirtyinkittensmackingthenyouwannawearalongbowandonlypopyourfearwhenyouregoingforakillingblow OKAY THANKS FOR WATCHING LIKE FAVE AND SUBSCRIBE IF YOU WANNA SEE MORE Wub wub wub wub wub wub wub.”

Would get so many views. Be front page of twitch every time.

Defektive.7283:

Would get so many views. Be front page of twitch every time.

• Don’t Feed the Trolls
• Keep up the good work

shimzor.6057:

Defektive.7283:

Would get so many views. Be front page of twitch every time.

• Don’t Feed the Trolls
• Keep up the good work

He’s not trolling, Deany is a buddy XD

In that case it means he is actually trolling 0.o’

Defektive.7283:

shimzor.6057:

Defektive.7283:

Would get so many views. Be front page of twitch every time.

• Don’t Feed the Trolls
• Keep up the good work

He’s not trolling, Deany is a buddy XD

Not him few guys above

Defektive.7283:

Croustibat.7035:

I use Earthshaker (even with 1 adrenaline bar, good damage) when I see a shadow refuge.
If used with more than 1 adr bar, Fierce Blow and/or Staggering Blow to knockback the thief out of SR.

Sometimes I use Earthshaker in my position when I feel incoming stealth thief burst.

Thats good, staggering blow has a pretty good chance to push them out of it.

That’s always my favorite, I get so much joy out of seeing a Thief suddenly become visible as he gets knocked just outside his ring

Honestly I feel it really comes down to skill and build versus thieves now. Before I had a problem with Thieves hitting and running, attritioning me while they were immune to such, but since the sustain was tuned up, they cant just wear me down while they regen to full each encounter. Even when I lose, I really feel like I simply got outplayed rather than being out class mechanic’d now.