Guild Wars 2

Hi guys,

I’ve been thinking: in your opinion(s) how far can a build take you in spvp (and WvWvW if you want to add the additional input)?

This question came to me after working my way through the last 2 tiers of Ruby and found that switching my build from m/sh and gs condi to m/sh rifle power has increased my win %. (build devised from Gabe (ty Gabe) with my own twist).

Obviously take this with a pinch of salt as other factors come into play, I just want to hear your thoughts on the matter as I prefer playing my original build which what I think a warrior should be (melee bruiser) but I can’t argue with the results from the build that a warrior shouldn’t be (fighting from range) – remember this is just my opinion.

I’m excited to hear your thoughts on the subject

oh!. look no further than DH. A build can take you all the way to legendary if it is cheesy enough.

I have not played Warrior this season, but for the most part i look at the meta for most classes and find that those builds are build which are the easiest to play. The meta build actually carry players who otherwise may bot be good enough to advance. Which is fine, because the meta works for advanced players too.

emkelly.2371:

oh!. look no further than DH. A build can take you all the way to legendary if it is cheesy enough.

I have not played Warrior this season, but for the most part i look at the meta for most classes and find that those builds are build which are the easiest to play. The meta build actually carry players who otherwise may bot be good enough to advance. Which is fine, because the meta works for advanced players too.

emkelly, I’ve been following your posts and advice for a while now – its a shame hearing that you don’t play much warrior… I love warrior and all the people I look up to in regards to their knowledge of the class don’t play it much. I believe you have been playing a lot of your thief correct? It saddens me that there aren’t many warriors in the higher tiers… it kind of proves a point that a warrior build can get the average player so far, do you believe that an experienced warrior player is on the same level as others or do you think it’s an upward battle?

Lol. I have not played warrior much THIS Season. I took a season off to learn thief. But i’m still a warrior main, and i still show new players the ropes with warrior. And yes, A skilled warrior is on par with other classes. It’s not the strongest thing out there, but it’s viable in all formats.

This is a very vague question.

I mean honestly its got to be like 50% build 50% skill right?

If you are running the best build possible (50%) but you are not very skilled ( lets just say 20%) then you are running at 70% of the class capability. Then you just break down a classes/the build your running value in 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2 situations with the person you are teamed with. Like today i ran far on coliseum with a necro and we lost to a Dh and druid. It was hard for the necro to start off in a 2 vs 2 with no life force but we won later against the same 2. So you have to judge each fight on different things.

I mean this goes for any class, can you imagine playing cantrip ele right now in PvP? Guess what i tried it and i did not like it. It was not pretty, or playing a all signet warrior build?

Obviously both have a huge part,

@emkelly, you playing d/p, s/d or did you go spam with staff or D/D?

The build is just there to augment your own ability. You want the play the build that suits both your team, counters the other team as best you can and mechanics suitable to your skill level on the class.

Case in point, your team has no bunker, you can play DH and scrapper. But you’re feeling off today. Pick DH for the lower mechanical floor since you won’t be making the most out of scrapper, despite it being the better pick if you have the ability to max it out.

Similarly, say your opposition has 2 DHs and you team also has 2DHs (pretty common). Picking rifle warrior is superior to a condi macebow or a melee GS/x build because you can take advantage of your DH meatshields to blow up the enemy DHs while not getting blasted by PBAoE. On the other hand if the other team has a druid, an ele and a DH, you might pick the melee GS/x build to avoid magnetic aura and sublime conversion.

Played well, with a build tailored to each game, I think a warrior is perfectly capable of holding their own in solo queue. Sometimes you’re gonna get cheesed by a 3 dragon’s maw+PoB DH comp, or go rifle warrior and end up farmed by a ridiculously good thief all game, but I think warrior is in a pretty good place with 2 viable builds and one situational build.

Ubik.8315:

The build is just there to augment your own ability. You want the play the build that suits both your team, counters the other team as best you can and mechanics suitable to your skill level on the class.

Case in point, your team has no bunker, you can play DH and scrapper. But you’re feeling off today. Pick DH for the lower mechanical floor since you won’t be making the most out of scrapper, despite it being the better pick if you have the ability to max it out.

Similarly, say your opposition has 2 DHs and you team also has 2DHs (pretty common). Picking rifle warrior is superior to a condi macebow or a melee GS/x build because you can take advantage of your DH meatshields to blow up the enemy DHs while not getting blasted by PBAoE. On the other hand if the other team has a druid, an ele and a DH, you might pick the melee GS/x build to avoid magnetic aura and sublime conversion.

Played well, with a build tailored to each game, I think a warrior is perfectly capable of holding their own in solo queue. Sometimes you’re gonna get cheesed by a 3 dragon’s maw+PoB DH comp, or go rifle warrior and end up farmed by a ridiculously good thief all game, but I think warrior is in a pretty good place with 2 viable builds and one situational build.

All True, or at least Logical. Thanks.

@kdaddy, I answered your question in a PM. Also, i disagree with your analysts. It’s not 50% Skill and 50% Build. some builds require very little skill to get the most out of. Mace/shield, Bow. is one of those builds. It is very forgiving for mistakes (like not swapping every 5 seconds, etc) That’s what Metabuilds are, The easiest build to play with the highest amount of success. This is not a bad thing, it’s just not what you describe. A build can carry you very far, but eventually you’ll need some skill to bring the most out of a class. this is not something you can measure with math.

emkelly.2371:

Ubik.8315:

The build is just there to augment your own ability. You want the play the build that suits both your team, counters the other team as best you can and mechanics suitable to your skill level on the class.

Case in point, your team has no bunker, you can play DH and scrapper. But you’re feeling off today. Pick DH for the lower mechanical floor since you won’t be making the most out of scrapper, despite it being the better pick if you have the ability to max it out.

Similarly, say your opposition has 2 DHs and you team also has 2DHs (pretty common). Picking rifle warrior is superior to a condi macebow or a melee GS/x build because you can take advantage of your DH meatshields to blow up the enemy DHs while not getting blasted by PBAoE. On the other hand if the other team has a druid, an ele and a DH, you might pick the melee GS/x build to avoid magnetic aura and sublime conversion.

Played well, with a build tailored to each game, I think a warrior is perfectly capable of holding their own in solo queue. Sometimes you’re gonna get cheesed by a 3 dragon’s maw+PoB DH comp, or go rifle warrior and end up farmed by a ridiculously good thief all game, but I think warrior is in a pretty good place with 2 viable builds and one situational build.

All True, or at least Logical. Thanks.

@kdaddy, I answered your question in a PM. Also, i disagree with your analysts. It’s not 50% Skill and 50% Build. some builds require very little skill to get the most out of. Mace/shield, Bow. is one of those builds. It is very forgiving for mistakes (like not swapping every 5 seconds, etc) That’s what Metabuilds are, The easiest build to play with the highest amount of success. This is not a bad thing, it’s just not what you describe. A build can carry you very far, but eventually you’ll need some skill to bring the most out of a class. this is not something you can measure with math.

interesting i wouldnt of thought you play that kind of thief.

Back to the Op though, im trying to put logic into a question like this. Ill just take a few PvP matches i had trying to get into legendary last season.

So my last 3-4 games trying to get into legendary i saw tarcis on warrior and trackstar on rev. Now i noticed one game that tarics ran to our home and the warrior from my team went to cap it.

They were using the same build, m/s-lb but tarics killed him and had 80% of his life left. So it just trying to compare the build abilities with skill.

Same thing happened with track star, seeing a 1 vs 1 between 2 recs on shiro/glint with s/s and staff. Yet track star won with 50% of his health as well.

Im just trying to make sense of the build/skill concept vs classes that face each other.

Far.

Obindo.6802:

Far.

Obindo, you are a hero. lol

emkelly.2371:

Obindo.6802:

Far.

Obindo, you are a hero. lol

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