Guild Wars 2

Fuschia.6573:

Do Necros need a buff for PvE? Not really. Do the things they do need more relevance in high-end group PvE, i.e. CC and condition stacking? Absolutely.

Then how do you explain that necromancers have absolutely zero cleave abilities and see this as balance?

Kravick.4906:

Fuschia.6573:

Do Necros need a buff for PvE? Not really. Do the things they do need more relevance in high-end group PvE, i.e. CC and condition stacking? Absolutely.

Then how do you explain that necromancers have absolutely zero cleave abilities and see this as balance?

working as intended .

Juba.8406:

working as intended .

Clearly. This is why in PVE necromancers are still seen as useless.

Kravick, you’re trying to tell the people who define the DPS meta, how the DPS meta works. I see, that makes sense.

The only reason warriors are conceived to have such high DPS relative to other classes, is because warriors do the best job (bar eles, because 90% don’t know how) of stacking might on themselves, and so they’re constantly buffed to a respectively higher level than a guardian or thief can do, without help from their party. As soon as you play in a party that understands how to utilize Might stacking; warriors no longer appear to be at some untouchable tier of DPS.

Kravick.4906:

Juba.8406:

working as intended .

Clearly. This is why in PVE necromancers are still seen as useless.

only by clueless players, Necro is in godly shape PvE, PvP and WvW.

What? Berzerker warriors are the dps meta? That’s like so 2012…

Juba.8406:

Necro is in godly shape PvE, PvP and WvW.

You should post on the necro forums, people there seam to think that the necro is in a crappy state, but I guess you know something that they don’t.

rogerwilko.6895:

Juba.8406:

Necro is in godly shape PvE, PvP and WvW.

You should post on the necro forums, people there seam to think that the necro is in a crappy state, but I guess you know something that they don’t.

Kravick shouldn’t post here either .

Juba.8406:

rogerwilko.6895:

Juba.8406:

Necro is in godly shape PvE, PvP and WvW.

You should post on the necro forums, people there seam to think that the necro is in a crappy state, but I guess you know something that they don’t.

Kravick shouldn’t post here either .

Do you even play a necromancer? I mean actually play one in all facets of the game. Not just occasionally when you feel bored of playing your chosen class.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Someone just link the guy to the vid of the ele hitting 10k Lava Fonts and 20k Meteors, while “omg hb too strong” threads are always funny to read you really shouldn’t feed the trolls by responding to them.

20k Meteor shower with full might stack, full bloodlust stacks, sigil of force (or night depending) and using Tornado which is on an extra long cooldown. Goodgame, please play an Ele before you “link videos.”

Kravick.4906:

Juba.8406:

rogerwilko.6895:

Juba.8406:

Necro is in godly shape PvE, PvP and WvW.

You should post on the necro forums, people there seam to think that the necro is in a crappy state, but I guess you know something that they don’t.

Kravick shouldn’t post here either .

Do you even play a necromancer? I mean actually play one in all facets of the game. Not just occasionally when you feel bored of playing your chosen class.

maybe if you make some sense in what you’re writing and do some proper math, ill change my view about necros a little .

Juba.8406:

maybe if you make some sense in what your writing and do some proper math, ill change my view about necros a little .

Well thats a rather self righteous thing to say. You’d doom an entire class to mediocrity because… Honestly, I don’t even know what your problem is. Whatever.

I make plenty of sense. Maybe your reading comprehension needs work? I mean, even looking at it logically, necromancers are condition class. Condition damage is capped, and anyone with on proc bleed effects drastically reduces the damage a necromancer can put out, so this forces necromancers to go power, or group with builds that don’t proc bleeds (which would require no warriors be present, which is the meta currently). This also prevents necromancers from being able to group with other necromancers that want to run conditions. In order to “cleave”, a necromancer has to run a condition build. Everyone knows that condition builds are borked in PvE.

With no cleave weapons, necros are stuck as single target DPSers. For this reason, along with thieves, they tend to get kicked from parties attempting to do speedruns, which tend to be most dungeon groups these days. So when I need to do a dungeon, I’m kinda forced to go on my warrior. I don’t really like playing my warrior. Its to easy, dumbed down, and simple minded to play.

Kravick.4906:

I make plenty of sense.

Necro is OP

Juba.8406:

Kravick.4906:

I make plenty of sense.

Necro is OP

…explain?

Thats the problem people dont understand. We stand at melee range thus we need to do more damage. If range characters do almost the same damage as warriors, then screw having a warrior in the first place. Also, doing damage like these mean we are very squishy. You can do the same with range characters. Both my rangers and engineers run full zerk and 30/30/-/-/- setup. They dont do damage like a warrior, but i am in a very save zone away from potentially massive hits and radial AOEs from bosses. So please, spare yourself the embarrassment by at least comparing apples to apples.

lchan.2169:

Thats the problem people dont understand. We stand at melee range thus we need to do more damage. If range characters do almost the same damage as warriors, then screw having a warrior in the first place. Also, doing damage like these mean we are very squishy. You can do the same with range characters. Both my rangers and engineers run full zerk and 30/30/-/-/- setup. They dont do damage like a warrior, but i am in a very save zone away from potentially massive hits and radial AOEs from bosses. So please, spare yourself the embarrassment by at least comparing apples to apples.

Rangers have more weapons than just bows, but thats a different thread and different topic for discussion entirely.

Otaur.9268:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Someone just link the guy to the vid of the ele hitting 10k Lava Fonts and 20k Meteors, while “omg hb too strong” threads are always funny to read you really shouldn’t feed the trolls by responding to them.

20k Meteor shower with full might stack, full bloodlust stacks, sigil of force (or night depending) and using Tornado which is on an extra long cooldown. Goodgame, please play an Ele before you “link videos.”

yeah because warrior always hits 25 decent might stacks easily. I can easily get 10+k meteors w/o full might and without tornado; this alone puts your alleged hundred blades dps to shame. lava font also is incredibly strong dps.

staff ele blows warrior’s damage out of the water, no point denying it.

I feel like there are a lot of ignorant people posting in this thread…

…Oh wait, its just one guy posting a lot.

LH ele blows warrior’s damage out of the water

~600 DPS higher than my burst damage skill (as in, hundred blades, not the literal burst skill), and ~2,500 DPS higher than my axe auto.

And it cleaves.

And no banner of discipline.

But apparently warriors are OP.

Don’t worry, warriors can always steal that LH to get the godlike damage too. Warriors are OP.

Warriors are not OP – they’re just overprevalent – which makes people like the OP here hate for no good reason.
Such is the life of the popular class.

Kravick.4906:

Believe me, smarter people with better math skills than the both of us have already shown how warriors with their cleave damage are why 4 warriors and a guardian is the DPS meta.

4 warriors and 1 guard is the dps meta? Did you quit playing a year ago and just come back?

you only need the warriors – to be honest ONE warrior for the two banners.
ele dps and guard dps > warrior = ranger and engi ~

But i meet every day noob people who want to teach me that warrior is the best dps class and only noobs think that berserker guard is better than full"tank" guard.
the game is full of noobs

The only real issue is that reworking monster AI becomes a real issue for classes without a spammable soft-CC or AoE related classes. Warriors would be relegated to Sword (Cripple) for melee and Combustive Shot would see a even a greater nerf as mobs run out of it without a single tick of Burning. And Hundred Blades becomes useless again against ranged mobs (self root).

It reminds me of the beta-weekends where AI of mobs was much much smarter and mobs would leave AoE fields and dodge around; this killed AoE classes (like Staff Eles) and pretty much any slow melee weapon (Mace) to such a large degree that ANet had to kill it or rework large amounts of class skills and/or increase base melee ranges.

this dps meta exists in wvw land because many people only have 1 set of ascended gear. they need to first address their game design flaws and lies.