Guild Wars 2

The question is knights or PVT, berserker is not an option. Why is one better than the other at complementing a warrior. Whether or not PVT or knights is better on another profession is besides the point this is only for warriors.

Better for what exactly? Both have their uses.

Jonwar.9205:

Better for what exactly? Both have their uses.

Better for complimenting warriors.

complimenting warriors for doing what?? SPvP, Organized WvW, random zerg WvW, solo map explore, Dungeon runs all have different needs. The gear you want depend on what you intend to do wearing it.

e.g :- for farming cof1 u want all zerk with double axe and rifle, Organised WvW I go PVT with hammer and mace + sheild (I act as a line breaker). For SPVP and small scale WvW i use knight armor.

Depends on build, weapon choice, and playstyle.

Veritas.6071:

Depends on build, weapon choice, and playstyle.

The only condition weapons are sword and longbow and both reley more on p-atak. All other warrior weapons are based on physical damage. No mater how you build your character you can’t get away from these facts.

kNite.6504:

complimenting warriors for doing what?? SPvP, Organized WvW, random zerg WvW, solo map explore, Dungeon runs all have different needs. The gear you want depend on what you intend to do wearing it.

e.g :- for farming cof1 u want all zerk with double axe and rifle, Organised WvW I go PVT with hammer and mace + sheild (I act as a line breaker). For SPVP and small scale WvW i use knight armor.

There are no knights stats in SPVP im asking this question for experts to answer only not for people who don’t know the answer to dodge the question and come up with all of these other things that don’t apply to the question and that arn’t all even possible,

if you really good at surviving, ppc
ok at surviving, ppt
suck at surviving, ptv

Some things to keep in mind with diminishing returns.
Vitality facts
Warrior and Necro get +39% health by adding 798 vitality
Mesmer, Engineer and Ranger get +47% health by adding 798 vitality
Ele, Guardian and Thief get +64% health by adding 798 vitality

Toughness facts
Heavy armor classes get +36% armor by adding 798 toughness
Medium armor classes +39% armor by adding 798 toughness
Cloth classes +42% armor by adding 798 toughness

The difference in attack power between knights and PVT.

Knights has 91 less power than PVT, 91 more toughness, and 10% critical Chance

PVT has 91 more power, 91 less toughness, and 2240 more hp i offers no crit chance.

Warriors base HP is the highest in the game, All of warriors weapons rely on Physical damage, power precision crit power.

It really does depend on your build.

Personally, I started out with 5/6 Soldier, 1/6 Berserker armor and Berserker trinkets. I later switched to 3/6 Berserker armor with Berserker trinkets. Right now, I am running 6/6 Berserker armor, Knight’s trinkets and Ruby jewels.

However, my setup had a very specific goal of achieving high crit rate. And that required a lot of precision. Knight’s provides that, whereas Soldier’s does not. I use the crit rate with things like Furious or Forceful Greatsword or Superior Sigil of Earth.

And naturally, your traits affect your build as well. If you have lots of points into Defense, you have a pretty high toughness already. Similarly, unless you have some crit%, traits like Forceful Greatsword are useless.

There’s also condition removal to talk about. Active condition removal (Soldier runes, Quick Breathing) tends to go hand-in-hand with high vitality. Passive condition negation with Lemongrass Poultry Soup and Melandru Runes comes with even more Toughness.

And it depends on what you’re going for. For survivability, Sentinel>Soldier>Knight. For damage, a balance of Knight and Soldier provides the best results.

Warlord.9074:

Veritas.6071:

Depends on build, weapon choice, and playstyle.

The only condition weapons are sword and longbow and both reley more on p-atak. All other warrior weapons are based on physical damage. No mater how you build your character you can’t get away from these facts.

There are no knights stats in SPVP im asking this question for experts to answer only not for people who don’t know the answer to dodge the question and come up with all of these other things that don’t apply to the question and that arn’t all even possible,

For more damage, Knight’s is better. For more survivability, Soldier’s. If one amulet offered more than the other in both areas you wouldn’t even have to ask this question because everyone would already know the answer.

For instance, most people wouldn’t roam with Soldier’s. I wouldn’t even roam with Knight’s.

If you want to be team fight CC with physicals, you may be more worried about survivablity so you’d go Soldier’s. If you want a mix of team fight dps and CC with someone else playing support, maybe you go Knight’s or even Berserker’s.

Or maybe you are running shout support so you have lot’s of survivabilty from your build so you could go Knight’s. Or maybe Shout CC with condi and burst support from your team so you are more worried about survivability so you go Soldier’s.

That is just a snip-it of the talk we should of have had. So yes, build and playstyle are applicable to the discussion.

To top it all off, until your 3rd post, we didn’t even know what game type you were asking about.

kNite.6504:

complimenting warriors for doing what?? SPvP, Organized WvW, random zerg WvW, solo map explore, Dungeon runs all have different needs. The gear you want depend on what you intend to do wearing it.

e.g :- for farming cof1 u want all zerk with double axe and rifle, Organised WvW I go PVT with hammer and mace + sheild (I act as a line breaker). For SPVP and small scale WvW i use knight armor.

who the heck farm cof1 with rifle…

Grab all the zerker gear you can
Personally i believe the only way those who play this class will get any better is if they learn to dodge and kite, if you dont know how to go head on into the fray then having all that extra toughness is just delaying the inevitable
Added the fact that everyone who fights a warrior knows they suck at curing conditions, and those cut right through your armor like Paula Deen’s finger through a tub of country crock, so they will launch every single one of them straight into your forehead

Warlord.9074:

There are no knights stats in SPVP im asking this question for experts to answer only not for people who don’t know the answer to dodge the question and come up with all of these other things that don’t apply to the question and that arn’t all even possible,

(from another thread)
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thats a ‘knights amulet’ spvp circles will refer to that as ‘knights’ despite it being different to pve ‘knights’ (in the same way that pvp zerker is different to pve zerker)

i dont play warr in pvp (for good reason) so cant comment on what sort of ammy they would want

WvW
soldiers (p/v/t) can be pretty interesting; but very low damage – at which point youll probably find yourself asking why arent you playing guard
zerker (p/p/crit) does great damage; but you wont be able to get it off easily (and you’ll melt like a snowflake on a radiator in the front line of a zerg)
knights (t/p/p) is a nice middle ground; you wont instagibbed by anything that sneezes your way and will deal decent damage (which is important for… greedy zerg tagging… and stuff)

your best bet would be mix and matching (full knights but no crit damage is wasted precision, alot of people seem to go for a mix of soldier and zerker… though i dont really like the low crit rate)

PvE
zerker… zerker… zerker; slot in a bit of knights if you need a bit more survivability; but you should be aiming to play well enough to go full zerker
knights and soldier in pve are training wheels

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/12dmi5/tip_stat_optimization_with_crit_damage/
is a good guide on how to optimise crit damage; if slightly outdated with the release of ascended trinkets

I run all zerker, compliment it with mobility traits and skills, and my build focuses around crits….so you may not want to think about it much, and be very closed minded about your approach to warriors.

But it DOES depend on your playstyle and build alot more than you think.

I run LB / GS for pretty much all 3 game types, traits compliment criticals, adrenaline gain, and mobility, and skills utilities fall into mobility/control.

For my playstyle it works exactly for what I need, I can disengage from battle, create gaps, close gaps, and apply bonuses from critical hits allowing me to really mess with enemies in sPvP/WvW.

If you want to be in the frontline soaking up damage and being a tank, then go PVT, if you want to be mid-line or frontline distraction/assassin then you will need zerkers and mobility (like me) and if you run knights you can go for alot of variety in terms of builds, just not be able to be a master at any (middle ground)

I’d like to point out that in general WvW, no matter how good you are, full Zerker is probably not a good idea, unless you’re going to be dedicated to being max ranged DPS. If you spend any amount of time in melee range during engagements, you realize you can’t dodge far enough to get out of AoE range and you’ll never be able to clear the incoming conditions fast enough to make a clean getaway.

For warriors, crit does nothing to enhance survivability beyond increasing damage → increasing kill speed → reducing time spent in combat. So there’s more or less a definite Soldier > Knight for survivability. The difference is only about 10% or so in favour of Soldier, and as the bonus is mostly vit, there’s a slightly worse effective healing multiplier (in a long fight, Knight’s damage reduction combined with healing will make it better)

For damage output, it’s down to traits and crit damage. Knight’s adds less DPS than Soldier’s until you add those factors in; certain weapons benefit less from Knight’s than others. That said, the baseline for crit damage to make Knight better than Soldier is only about 10%, and even without any the trait Forceful Greatsword or on-crit sigils will outweigh it. If for some reason your build doesn’t support crits in any way, Soldier will be better DPS (by about 5%…). Else, Knight.

In the majority of cases, Knight will be better than Soldier, unless you’re going for some sort of tanky Mace or Hammer build without adding in any crit bonuses. Berserker will obviously always have the best DPS in any build except conditions (which is currently weaker than ’zerk in the majority of situations)