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I can see the argument on both sides of this disagreement. On one side, Defektive has come up with a completely viable build, assuming your playing with a team who is competent, on the other, you have the remaining 95% of the sPVP-tPVP community who plays the Warrior in a not so intellectual enviorment, hotjoins-soloque etc., who see the weaknesses of the Warrior class full front, with it’s lack of sustain etc.
Overall I like what Defektive has done for the Warrior, you can’t blame him for trying to help out the community by posting viable builds and showing you what they can do in a high level setting. His statement was best. If you don’t like stun builds, don’t play stun builds, it really is that simple.
Engineer:Warrior:Necromancer – Rank 39
I can see the argument on both sides of this disagreement. On one side, Defektive has come up with a completely viable build, assuming your playing with a team who is competent, on the other, you have the remaining 95% of the sPVP-tPVP community who plays the Warrior in a not so intellectual enviorment, hotjoins-soloque etc., who see the weaknesses of the Warrior class full front, with it’s lack of sustain etc.
Overall I like what Defektive has done for the Warrior, you can’t blame him for trying to help out the community by posting viable builds and showing you what they can do in a high level setting. His statement was best. If you don’t like stun builds, don’t play stun builds, it really is that simple.
No, you are not seing anything, the other side of the argument is that the team needs to build themselves and make strategies around having the warrior in the team, wich most teams are not going to do because they can just invite another class better.
“We also realize that we can make mistakes but we dont care because I HAVE THE POWAAA!!”
I can see the argument on both sides of this disagreement. On one side, Defektive has come up with a completely viable build, assuming your playing with a team who is competent, on the other, you have the remaining 95% of the sPVP-tPVP community who plays the Warrior in a not so intellectual enviorment, hotjoins-soloque etc., who see the weaknesses of the Warrior class full front, with it’s lack of sustain etc.
Overall I like what Defektive has done for the Warrior, you can’t blame him for trying to help out the community by posting viable builds and showing you what they can do in a high level setting. His statement was best. If you don’t like stun builds, don’t play stun builds, it really is that simple.
No, you are not seing anything, the other side of the argument is that the team needs to build themselves and make strategies around having the warrior in the team, wich most teams are not going to do because they can just invite another class better.
Actually, I am seeing that, I just said that, whether you think another class is better at a certain task is your opinion, it is not fact.
Engineer:Warrior:Necromancer – Rank 39
I can see the argument on both sides of this disagreement. On one side, Defektive has come up with a completely viable build, assuming your playing with a team who is competent, on the other, you have the remaining 95% of the sPVP-tPVP community who plays the Warrior in a not so intellectual enviorment, hotjoins-soloque etc., who see the weaknesses of the Warrior class full front, with it’s lack of sustain etc.
Overall I like what Defektive has done for the Warrior, you can’t blame him for trying to help out the community by posting viable builds and showing you what they can do in a high level setting. His statement was best. If you don’t like stun builds, don’t play stun builds, it really is that simple.
No, you are not seing anything, the other side of the argument is that the team needs to build themselves and make strategies around having the warrior in the team, wich most teams are not going to do because they can just invite another class better.
Actually, I am seeing that, I just said that, whether you think another class is better at a certain task is your opinion, it is not fact.
Well lets go to facts then:
Warrior class suck.
“We also realize that we can make mistakes but we dont care because I HAVE THE POWAAA!!”
I want to quit too bro.
stunned a thief, he teleported 1200 range away……and stood there stunned for 2 seconds.
wtf.
this game sucks.Yeah this is a whole separate issue here. WHY do instant skills work while stunned when the definition of stun is unable to move or use skills? Feels broken.
anet can kitten my kitten.
They do nothing about broken kittens. NOTHING.
I can see the argument on both sides of this disagreement. On one side, Defektive has come up with a completely viable build, assuming your playing with a team who is competent, on the other, you have the remaining 95% of the sPVP-tPVP community who plays the Warrior in a not so intellectual enviorment, hotjoins-soloque etc., who see the weaknesses of the Warrior class full front, with it’s lack of sustain etc.
Overall I like what Defektive has done for the Warrior, you can’t blame him for trying to help out the community by posting viable builds and showing you what they can do in a high level setting. His statement was best. If you don’t like stun builds, don’t play stun builds, it really is that simple.
No, you are not seing anything, the other side of the argument is that the team needs to build themselves and make strategies around having the warrior in the team, wich most teams are not going to do because they can just invite another class better.
Actually, I am seeing that, I just said that, whether you think another class is better at a certain task is your opinion, it is not fact.
Well lets go to facts then:
Warrior class suck.
Then play another class so you can whine in their forums instead of this one.
I can see the argument on both sides of this disagreement. On one side, Defektive has come up with a completely viable build, assuming your playing with a team who is competent, on the other, you have the remaining 95% of the sPVP-tPVP community who plays the Warrior in a not so intellectual enviorment, hotjoins-soloque etc., who see the weaknesses of the Warrior class full front, with it’s lack of sustain etc.
Overall I like what Defektive has done for the Warrior, you can’t blame him for trying to help out the community by posting viable builds and showing you what they can do in a high level setting. His statement was best. If you don’t like stun builds, don’t play stun builds, it really is that simple.
No, you are not seing anything, the other side of the argument is that the team needs to build themselves and make strategies around having the warrior in the team, wich most teams are not going to do because they can just invite another class better.
Actually, I am seeing that, I just said that, whether you think another class is better at a certain task is your opinion, it is not fact.
Well lets go to facts then:
Warrior class suck.
Are you sure it is the class?
Engineer:Warrior:Necromancer – Rank 39
Defektive, I think it’s great you have a tourny viable build+team. Congrats, keep on trucking. But there are plenty of issues with the class, regardless of how successful you are in tPvP.
Yes, many of the issues can be “played around” using certain builds, teams, and comps. I liken it to that huge pothole down my street. I know it’s there, and I veer to avoid it, so I can get to work every day without issue. But the fact remains that there’s a giant friggan gaping hole in the road that should have been fixed long ago.
Some moves are over-telegraphed (ex: earthshaker, final thrust). Others are buggy (ex: rush, staggering blow). We lack any real self-sustain without speccing and gearing for shout heals.
It wouldn’t hurt to have some deeper mechanics either, a revamp and expansion of the Adrenal system. I’d love to see more complexity, an F2 based on offhand for example.
Defektive, I think it’s great you have a tourny viable build+team. Congrats, keep on trucking. But there are plenty of issues with the class, regardless of how successful you are in tPvP.
Yes, many of the issues can be “played around” using certain builds, teams, and comps. I liken it to that huge pothole down my street. I know it’s there, and I veer to avoid it, so I can get to work every day without issue. But the fact remains that there’s a giant friggan gaping hole in the road that should have been fixed long ago.
Some moves are over-telegraphed (ex: earthshaker, final thrust). Others are buggy (ex: rush, staggering blow). We lack any real self-sustain without speccing and gearing for shout heals.
It wouldn’t hurt to have some deeper mechanics either, a revamp and expansion of the Adrenal system. I’d love to see more complexity, an F2 based on offhand for example.
What he said.
Engineer:Warrior:Necromancer – Rank 39
Defektive, I think it’s great you have a tourny viable build+team. Congrats, keep on trucking. But there are plenty of issues with the class, regardless of how successful you are in tPvP.
Yes, many of the issues can be “played around” using certain builds, teams, and comps. I liken it to that huge pothole down my street. I know it’s there, and I veer to avoid it, so I can get to work every day without issue. But the fact remains that there’s a giant friggan gaping hole in the road that should have been fixed long ago.
Some moves are over-telegraphed (ex: earthshaker, final thrust). Others are buggy (ex: rush, staggering blow). We lack any real self-sustain without speccing and gearing for shout heals.
It wouldn’t hurt to have some deeper mechanics either, a revamp and expansion of the Adrenal system. I’d love to see more complexity, an F2 based on offhand for example.
All of the things you just listed are things I’ve been pushing for for a long time. Huge telegraphs = bad (this is why I play Asura), more sustain other than very select things (aka sustain baked into the class). F2s based on two handed weapon vs. double 1handed weapons. Inversing Adrenaline Surge, bumping our other heals. Giving us different types of conditions or condition coverage in order to make condi builds viable.
But it takes time for things to change, and until that time comes the best I / we can do is point out the issues and provide constructive feedback in a consistent and logical manner.
Until that time comes, we can make the best of what we have now and hope ArenaNet is making the best decisions.
I’d rather try my best and fail, than get upset over the state of the class and quit / reroll / take a break.
I can see the argument on both sides of this disagreement. On one side, Defektive has come up with a completely viable build, assuming your playing with a team who is competent, on the other, you have the remaining 95% of the sPVP-tPVP community who plays the Warrior in a not so intellectual enviorment, hotjoins-soloque etc., who see the weaknesses of the Warrior class full front, with it’s lack of sustain etc.
Overall I like what Defektive has done for the Warrior, you can’t blame him for trying to help out the community by posting viable builds and showing you what they can do in a high level setting. His statement was best. If you don’t like stun builds, don’t play stun builds, it really is that simple.
No, you are not seing anything, the other side of the argument is that the team needs to build themselves and make strategies around having the warrior in the team, wich most teams are not going to do because they can just invite another class better.
Fwiw, I run my Sword/Mace Mace/Shield build in solo queue tournies all the time with great success.
Inb4 you find something negative to respond with.
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All of the things you just listed are things I’ve been pushing for for a long time.
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I’d rather try my best and fail, than get upset over the state of the class and quit / reroll / take a break.
My apologies. I dont actually follow you (or anyone else, nothing personal), so I didn’t know you thought the same way. My opinions are generally based on my personal experience in the trenches.
I don’t get upset over the state of the class, so much as I get frustrated over the continuing state of the class. People screw up all the time, balance devs are no different. It’s when said screw ups go unresolved for prolonged periods of time that I get irritated. Despite that, I’ve tried to remain constructive as opposed to whining for it’s own sake.
For example, I feel Mending should be made to function like Consume Conditions. I’m not always a fan of “cloning” abilities but in this case it fits.
-Healing Surge: Heal value normalized. Reduce CD by 2 seconds every time you fill an adrenal bar (except fury sig/zerker stance).
-Healing Signet: Small buff to the passive HP/s, and the active CT.
-Cleansing Ire triggers when you gain a bar of adrenaline.
-Baseline Adrenaline Passive: Gain 1 tick of regen for each strike of adrenaline you earn.
-Defense, Adrenal Health: Increases baseline Adrenal Regen by a small amount
-Defense, Thick Skin: Toughness increases, as health decreases.
-Defensive Bursts, Defense Grandmaster: Burst skills grants you protection for 1.5 seconds per bar of adrenaline spent.
I have a lot more ideas (which I’ve posted) but those are a few.
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