Guild Wars 2

4v5s seem to be increasing in number and many times 1 person leaves right as the match starts. What’s causing this? Is someone using 2 accounts then logging off one to force 4v5 or are people simply getting kicked for being idle?

It’s very, very frustrating. They need to make some improvements to their reporting system. They need a coherent, concrete dishonor system. I dunno… maybe they could steal the idea from this game, I bet they wouldn’t mind.

had only 1 4v5 since patch and played a lot

and in this 4v5 the leaver was me – my internet broke somehow when we was winning :/

Romek.4201:

had only 1 4v5 since patch and played a lot

and in this 4v5 the leaver was me – my internet broke somehow when we was winning :/

Wish I had your luck. I’ve been in 2 5v3s in the last 10 matches…

Not even sure how it happened but a match I queue’d up for started off as a 4v5

It was awful

I’m not even sure why the matchmaking allows 4v5s to start once the timer runs out

Jzaku.9765:

Not even sure how it happened but a match I queue’d up for started off as a 4v5

It was awful

I’m not even sure why the matchmaking allows 4v5s to start once the timer runs out

Same… it ended as a 5v3.

i have so many 4 v 5. AT this point, once its 4 v 5 (whether im winning or losing or on the team with 4 or 5) I simply leave.

People might say “wtf man, why do that, thats poor sportmanship”, but in all honesty, I’m playing this game to have fun. I’d rather go do something else than have to bare through a 4 v 5 match which is never fun (well every once in a while it can be, but 99.9% of the time it isn’t).

just playied 5 soloquoe games , i had Ultima Deus guys in my team every game , and he was afk every game , so basicly he was joinig only to ruin other ppl games but ofc anet dont care abuot this

There are people who actively choose to sit in spawn all game simply because of comp issues. If we have 3 mesmers/thieves/eles and the opposite team has 2-3 warriors/necros/rangers, some people won’t even cough up the courage to play the match because they think they’ll lose anyway.

It’s unfortunate but I’ve been in this situation many a times before – someone gives up simply because they’ve been out-comped and they’d rather just end it quick by sitting in spawn which is extremely selfish.

why should i waste my time with newbies , its smart to sit out and do something else instead of trying to win a game you cant win.

Honestly, it seems like 50% of the matches are 5v4, my last 2 were and we actually won one of them.

Folks that leave are toxic and bad for the community as a whole. Can’t wait until these trolls start getting penalized like they deserve.

Josh Davis.6015:

We’ll be doing a few things to reduce the amount of players who AFK in matches.

• We’re going to reduce the amount of dishonored stacks a player needs before they’re prevented from queuing for tournaments. The amount we have set right now is too high, and it isn’t weeding out enough people. At the same time, we want to make sure we’re not harshly punishing players that are not intentionally AFK’ing out of matches.
• We’re going to reduce the amount of time someone can be AFK in a match before they’re kicked for inactivity. This won’t prevent 4v5 games itself, but it will give the player dishonored stacks more consistently, hopefully preventing them from ruining future games.
• We’d also like to add a category for reporting players in PvP. For the time being, like Justin has mentioned previously, report the players for botting.

Personally, I think 4v5 matches aren’t caused as much by people wanting to grief, but rather because people get frustrated in a loss and try to find better things to do with their time. Hopefully with our upcoming reward changes we can increase our player base, thereby evening out the distribution of players across the ratings spectrum, thus reducing the amount of lopsided ‘rage-inducing’ landslide losses.

/Goesbacktodoingweekendstuff

Well, some good idea but, what about the balance?

Imo we need 2 systems :
- auto balance, in order to get the same amount of ppl for each team.
- a new game is created, preventing rage and the MMR decrease.

Tbh, i’d rather restart a game with 5v5 than play a painful 4v5. 4v5 is just stupid and a waste of time. Also a waste of MMR …

Are you working on those aspects?

@Amaterasu

I understand those demotivated players. but afking isn’t the best solution. What is the best? afking or running arround, waiting for the end …

Josh Davis.6015:

• We’re going to reduce the amount of dishonored stacks a player needs before they’re prevented from queuing for tournaments.

You’re talking about ranked matches.
Matches that losing has a penalty on, not just you, but the people on your team. Leave/Afk’ers are killing other people’s MMR, shoving them towards this games midden heap of an elo hell…

Scaling 5+ min wait no matter what.
If you que for a match with actual team wide consequences for losing, you show up.
or
You have to wait.
(the forced wait time should only count down while the player is in game, and the scaling 5, 10, 25 mins, only resets after 3~ days)

Through their negligance… those people are deliberately ruining the game for others.
That should be stopped.
(courtesy of 5, 10, 25+, 2 hour~ dishonor timers)

You guys try hard to be caring.
Get over the delusion that someone actually wants you to care about ranked match leavers and their ‘reasons’
No one wants that.
Move on.

LoL and, really, any MOBA didn’t get anywhere because they had super kind penalties for people who leave their FLAMING RANKED MATCHES.

Edo Tensei.8254:

why should i waste my time with newbies , its smart to sit out and do something else instead of trying to win a game you cant win.

This mentality is exactly why half the games are unfair. Giving up before you even try is absolutely poor sportsmanship. Give your teammates a chance instead of thinking about yourself.

You call it “smart”, I call it selfish. Besides, solo Q is the place to do self-training. I see no harm in engaging in some 1v1 situations or 2v1 situations just for practice. You don’t always have to win a match to be good.

SUGGESTION

In a scenario where the teams are unbalanced, the team with the outnumbered player(s) should be immune to a lost towards their overall statistic BUT wouldn’t affect a win by the opposition. Therefore, both parties will continue on with the game hoping to come out with a victory without having the unfair pressure given by an absent or absents player.

And this affect will only take place after a limited amount of time prior to the start of the match. I think a reasonable threshold is ideal in terms of keeping both sides happy.

What is the ready button for ? Everybody should press ready and only than the match start. If the is a missing ready that guy is replaced after 30 seconds… gg

That way 4 v 5 will always happen intentionally , in case someone press ready and stay AFK in the base and in that case he should be punished with 15min , than 30, than 1 hour, 1 day etc

I finally made top 15 on the solo leaderboards today. Right afterwards I got two 4v5’s versus a bunch of random people off the lb’s. Thing was that in both cases we had over 250 points despite doing a 4v5 and my rating is still going to tank.

The fact this system hasn’t been fixed yet is an absolute joke. This game will NEVER be taken seriously until the people who created the game take it seriously. There is absolutely no excuse anybody could give me for this problem still existing. Awful.

You don’t always have to win a match to be good.

But you need to win if you don’t want to see your MMR decreased ! SoloQ isn’t the best place for 1v1 or 2v1, except if you figth on points (usually ppl don’t).

Imo if the game is unbalanced, the game should restart with fresh people.

The “ready” button? What a joke, no one use it. But, ready for what ? Most of the time people don’t even say “Hello” or give any strategies …

Giving up before you even try is absolutely poor sportsmanship. Give your teammates a chance instead of thinking about yourself.

Yeah but no. When the opposite team has bunch of warriors/guardians, and yours none … What can you do ? People will play 2-3 mins, they’ll see the opposite team has too munch bunkers, and they’ll give up !

a big problem for 4v5 and AFKs is acutal balance too

when i see 4 hammermonkeys in enemyteam and have thief + ele in my team i know we lose 100% – there is noway we can win this and i understand when ppl give up and go afk

first arenanet have to fix all the cheese and facerolling in this game and have to be faster with hotfixing/nerfing OP Builds – this months waittime for a fix kills most fun in this game

and when you see 3-4 per class in 1 team and this often than this is no matchmaking problem – it is fail balancing cause lowbobs always paly the cheesebuilds

overpopulated classes/builds are very often OP Classes/builds and have to be nerfed

this would fix alot from this 4v5 problems

oh – and @Grouch when do this afk fixes plz fix finaly autoheal or autoattacks dont stop
the timer and are afk too
atm its easy to go afk everywhere in the world – even wvw – just alt+rightclick on heal and done

edit: map can be a reason too for afk – SKYHAMMER

well they can make whatever punishment they want but I simply will go afk when I see match is lost…..not gonna waste my time on that….thats why I want give up button. Only if there was some reason to stay and play even lost matches…

Edo Tensei.8254:

why should i waste my time with newbies , its smart to sit out and do something else instead of trying to win a game you cant win.

ppl like u just ruin pvp , man just quit this game , everyone in the game know what u are doing , just joing game and siting in base till game is over .

Forsaker.9213:

just playied 5 soloquoe games , i had Ultima Deus guys in my team every game , and he was afk every game , so basicly he was joinig only to ruin other ppl games but ofc anet dont care abuot this

This is kind of what I noticed yesterday that almost never happened before. Sometimes we would start with 5 on each team then suddenly poof one would vanish as the game started. The frequency of 4v5s was about even, I had at least 3 against and 3 for me within a relatively short time span. The odd thing is that during off hours(midnight into early morning US time) there are fewer 4v5s than mid morning into noon. If there are people trying to screw up soloQ with 2nd accounts then simply leaving the character on the opposite side would allow them to win- they wouldn’t even have to leave. But over time they should lose an even amount of matches since both accounts would get paired together eventually(unless they had a 2nd person to play the account).

the best thing was the he was not afk but he was siting in base doing nothing whole match

report him for griefplay

no rightclickoption

go gamemenue->Suppourt

there you can write – make area spvp and block progress – and than write what happen – you even can send screenshot with this

hummm a “give up” button?

If you do that, lots of ppl will abused this function. No guardians, no wars in my team ? => give up.

I find I go afk more often when I fall asleep waiting for the queue. Seriously, we need a little sound to let us know that the tPvP popup is there. Any sound.