Guild Wars 2

Map Change.

Conquest side objectives being capture points… forces a bunker (bad) to generally hang around it (even worse) with a 15~ seconds cap time (boring) making an all around bad concept. Don’t get me wrong, I have nothing against breaking off from a group fight or strategizing over secondary objectives, I actually love it, if the ‘why’, ‘when’ and so ‘effects on gameplay’ are well thought out.

Things that need fixing here…
-the focus on bunker/spike
-the focus on skirmishing *
-unsuspenseful score system
-the lack of changing goals/‘dynamic of the group’ as the game goes on (great concepts for a game to play or watch)

*-group combat >>> non-group innately. It is based on working with people [why something like the trinity is such an attractive base concept for a game] bringing a much higher skillcap from positioning and coordination, to boot it makes a game feel much more social.

Rezzing.

More a general population issue, and stopping other large improvements (mainly for a new map with more, not complete, focus on group engagements), than immediately competitive one. Rezzing is something that with tweaks could be an enjoyed addition instead of coped with mechanic.

Things to be fixed here…
-ruining progression in fights
-one of the few ways to reverse attrition atm
-causes close fights to be group wipes on one side
-brings little strategically to the table
-frustration of chain rezzes
-grossly punishes 1v2+, further promoting lobsided fights

There is no strong perc in the current rez mechanic any way, at least I, look at it… I mean short of a shoutcaster getting to flip a nut when 2 people get rallied off a kill.

Boons and conditions

Its bad that next to every spec NEEDS hard counters to conditions because of only imob and dps condi’s… making other condis mainly into their cover against cleansing, I mean, that isn’t innately an unworkable situation… if cleansing was well made… if group fights weren’t spews of miscellaneous conditions….
>.<
Things to be fixed here…
-better design the counters to dps conditions, put non dps condi’s on a shortish duration cap (3->6s), you can evade while immobilized (it’s invading on hard CC’s job).
(less anti-condi necessity while speccing, and allows for better strategic condis)
-make vulnerability/weakness and blind much better strategic conditions, shorter duration higher impact.
(adds to skillcap and teamwork)
-make movement impairment involve more finesse
(adds to skillcap)

Intelligently preventing dmg instead of intelligently speccing for stun breaks, invulns and outrageous self healing should be the thing. It’s what Anet wanted and tweaked blind/weakness/knockbacks/interupts and more group related protection/vigor along with aoe heal skills can easily take care of it.

Crowd Control.

I have never been a fan of hard CC.
GW2 seems to thrive on them, fine if its their style… go for it… but personally I find losing control of your character for extremely prolonged times to be silly… with only speccing to come to the rescue (vigor/stability for prevention, CC breaks for after).

Interrupts, I’d like to see play more based on them since the GW1 fans seemed completely in love with them, meaning the Anet guys have a good amount of knowledge of what interrupts should do and how strong they should be. (it’d draw back old GW1 players and, at very least for me, largely improve gameplay in one foul swoop)

As a side note, when it comes to playing a class, I’d like to see more situational CD reduction traits, something to improve gameplay by making every action have a goal, to setup reduced CD times or use the CDs to their fullest.
Like… each hit of your spammable or crit reduces CDs by .25s…
Or… each flanking hit or using a CD while flanking reduces CDs, reduce CDs for each vuln stack on the target you hit with the CD, reduced CD for each skill off CD…

Gear-Stat distribution

Things to be fixed…
-Forces mismatched stats… or spike dps
-Amulet stats don’t fit the weapons Anet made

The game seems based on a split between power and condition dmg, weapons and specs seem like they were never supposed to be entirely dedicated to condition dmg… but the thing is you need 3 stats (power/crit/crit dmg) to do viable physical dmg (short of retal)… its a mess.
The scaling between power/crit/crit-dmg needs a massive shift, you either need all 3 or the stats are useless… it forces glass dps or bust…

That can either be fixed by tweaking amulets to have more of different stats on them, or by re-evaluating the scaling between power/crit/crit dmg…

An example of a good weapon
(the dagger one)

Aaaaanyways, I found the time pondering this stuff week->months back entertaining.
Figured I might as well throw it out there.

You’re right. You think too much.

If Anet spent as much time contemplating Gw2, we’d have a completely different game.

KarlaGrey.5903:

If Anet spent as much time contemplating Gw2, we’d have a completely different game.

Hindsight is 20/20, but yeah I would have killed to get into the game’s alpha testing.

Ya, you over-think things. The sPvP mechanic is pretty good as-is.

- Many heals (not necessarily heal skills) are already group or position based. Anything with a water field is huge for team-play and comb-based play.

- Combo fields are already a very important part of gameplay. Fire fields for might stacking, light for condition removal and retaliation, and water for healing. The system doesn’t need as big of a change as you think. Some of the weaker field types just need improved and the relative power of blast finishers vs. other kinds may need tweaking.

- The conquest concept is fine as-is, but some of the maps need fixed. Ideally, all nodes should be viable to hold for either team. However, some maps are too linear, allowing the center node to easily defend the close node. As a result, the fight stagnates and becomes lop-sided. Legacy of the Foefire shows this a lot, whereas Temple of the Silent Storm has all the points constantly being flipped.

- The downed state mechanic is going to stay. It makes bursting down a player more than just stacking damage while at the same time lending some support to squishier builds that get CC locked. It promotes build diversity. However, the downed state may be tweaked and has been in the past. Things like what percent of health you start with when downed, how fast allies revive (currently it’s faster than a stomp), the duration of the downed penalty, and the relative power of downed state #2 skills (vapor form is really good compared to others).

- I agree that certain boons need some changes. Protection is extremely powerful already. If anything, I would reduce the amount of damage reduction. Stability is good and somewhat balanced on its own, but when it can be stacked, it causes problems. However, straight capping boons is not helpful to casual group play; it adds an additional timing aspect that’s too much of a burden. A more targeted approach at offending skills or runes would be better. What exactly is wrong with a player able to have permanent swiftness? They do have to give up something for the mobility increase.

- The condition system is good enough as-is, even with full stack removal. If you use a skill with a longer cooldown that puts up a long condition or lots of stacks, it’s a risk being taken versus condition removal. Abilities that put up conditions often but in small quantities can counter that, but aren’t as easy to spike. That’s balance. What needs adjusted is the amount of condition removal, including group condition removal, and how the quantity allows it to be used carelessly yet still be remain effective. Guardians are your big offender here.

- The weakness condition does need re-evaluated though. It seems to be intended as an offensive version of protection (reduce incoming damage). However, the fact that it only applies to non-criticals really hurts its use in PvP. With 0% chance to crit, it would reduce damage by an average of 25%. In PvE, NPCs usually don’t have a high crit chance, so this works. However, any player that is going to be putting out high direct damage will have a significant amount of critical chance, which is heavily negating the weakness condition.

- Stuns, etc aren’t a big problem from what I’ve seen. There are stun breaks in the game, you can dodge most of the stun skills, and stability negates them. ANet said they’ll be doing a pass over professions to re-evaluate stun breaks on skills. Launch (formerly called blowout) is a bit problematic because you can’t stun break it until you stop moving. Immobilize is far more powerful than most stuns because it prevents dodging and generally lasts longer.

- ANet is already re-balancing thieves. They stated that thieves have too much burst and too little survivability. They want to reduce the former and increase the latter. However, they will always be somewhat bursty.

As an aside, it’s funny how you constantly refer to 100blades as being such a great ability. It’s mediocre if anything. It’s a joke to anyone that knows how to avoid it. The problem is that new or bad players don’t know that and get chewed apart from a relatively easy to use combo. If you watch good warriors, they rarely use 100blades initially and save it for when their opponents have no anti-CC or dodges.

Yes Exedore, most things GW2 has can avoid being a ‘problem’ with the right balancing, they can easily be made to work with something that simple.
But when I think about a game, I don’t try to look for what makes it just work… but what makes it worth playing.

Anyways

KarlaGrey.5903:

If Anet spent as much time contemplating Gw2, we’d have a completely different game.

Sadly true. I seriously don’t know what they do with all their time. There are so many changes needed in gameplay, let alone infrastructure, even though so much time has passed since release, that to have any hope at this point would make you a fool.

Paradoxine.8192:

KarlaGrey.5903:

If Anet spent as much time contemplating Gw2, we’d have a completely different game.

Sadly true. I seriously don’t know what they do with all their time. There are so many changes needed in gameplay, let alone infrastructure, even though so much time has passed since release, that to have any hope at this point would make you a fool.

My mind is indeed boggled, really makes you wonder what the hell they do all day only to turn out some updates that have temporary content that maybe 5-8 people out of a 300+ man team worked on. Seriously, what the HELL are they doing? Building a space ship?

They also don’t seem to play their own game at all if patch notes are any indication.

Mathias.9657:

They also don’t seem to play their own game at all if patch notes are any indication.

From what I’ve seen that notion seems pretty common, about MMO dev teams.
I hope its true in this case though because the only other option is that the devs just don’t know what they’re doing or are incapable of doing it… either way that would mean there is literally no chance of anything good coming from GW2.

Everytime i see the 2 devs on a video somewhere they make some kind of mistake about class abilities and stuff. Like how they said rock dog procs from a weapon sigil in a video where they’re EXPLAINING the game.

Great post, I agree about stun locking.

this thread cannot fade away among all the troll posts on this forum,
it’s simply a too good writing to be overlooked.

+1, I really like your suggestions and support all of them.
(even tho my breakdown earlier lol)
I hope the devs are taking these stuff in, it’s brilliant.
Love the part about healing and combo fields.

+1

I feel like the things you mentioned are the main reasons why a lot of players don’t like PvP.

In general I expected a lot coming from GW PvP. The game was balanced and you had a lot of different builds.

GW2 is completely different. No build diversity, only 1 game mode and mediocre balance at best. Even GW Prophecies was better when it comes to PvP.

I stopped playing PvP a while ago because I hated being forced to play 1 build without any other options. Since I am mainly a PvP player it won’t take too long until I finally quit the game.

dECA.2370:

I hope the devs are taking these stuff in, it’s brilliant.
Love the part about healing and combo fields.

Yeaah, what I wrote is actually roughly what I thought combo fields were like and, in part, heal skills when Anet talked about them pre-beta, so was phyced for their brilliance…

aaaanyways, glad people seem to think the suggestions are worth the time to read, it took long enough to type all that out that I would hope a lil’ good could come from it.
;D

garethh.3518:

KarlaGrey.5903:

If Anet spent as much time contemplating Gw2, we’d have a completely different game.

Hindsight is 20/20, but yeah I would have killed to get into the game’s alpha testing.

I like you, but here’s a reality check.

In alpha there was a guy, Ensign, who has unparalleled insight into this game / everything. At minimum, he is at least as smart / insightful as you – though I would consider this to be an insultingly conservative estimate. He was a huge pvp figure in gw1, it was often joked that one of the top guilds was just him on 8 computers.

Ensign was in the alpha, well respected by all the players, and gave anet buckets upon buckets of great suggestions and analysis. Ensign was later kicked out of the alpha for being a negative influence since everyone agreed with what he wrote (you know, because it made sense). It wouldn’t matter if you were in alpha because the devs would never tell you anything more than “Yeah we’ll take that into consideration, cya”

As a player you have no influence over design, the best thing you can hope for is whatever our boy Grouch is doing behind the scenes to try and make things better.

mbh.8301:

garethh.3518:

KarlaGrey.5903:

If Anet spent as much time contemplating Gw2, we’d have a completely different game.

Hindsight is 20/20, but yeah I would have killed to get into the game’s alpha testing.

I like you, but here’s a reality check.

In alpha there was a guy, Ensign, who has unparalleled insight into this game / everything. At minimum, he is at least as smart / insightful as you – though I would consider this to be an insultingly conservative estimate. He was a huge pvp figure in gw1, it was often joked that one of the top guilds was just him on 8 computers.

Ensign was in the alpha, well respected by all the players, and gave anet buckets upon buckets of great suggestions and analysis. Ensign was later kicked out of the alpha for being a negative influence since everyone agreed with what he wrote (you know, because it made sense). It wouldn’t matter if you were in alpha because the devs would never tell you anything more than “Yeah we’ll take that into consideration, cya”

As a player you have no influence over design, the best thing you can hope for is whatever our boy Grouch is doing behind the scenes to try and make things better.

I’ll be honest, I don’t know who this guy is, but it doesn’t surpise me to hear the ANET chose this path on their own. Sad thing is its working, GW2 is making them piles and piles of cash.

@mbh.8301

Where did you hear that?

And I didn’t conceptualize the changes I threw out there all the way, front to back (since there never was a point), but yeah I’m sure some great players out there could write up a better walls of text with less time/effort earlier in the game’s development than I ever could.

But, wow, though.
Odds say then, GW2 was never dedicated to being a competitively stellar game if that was the case, that or either Ensign or the devs had a few serious issues around making a game (like pride &/or ego &/or stupidity, exc.). I mean, if true, that blarb you wrote is outright depressing.

garethh.3518:

the devs had a few serious mental issues around making a game (like pride &/or ego &/or stupidity, exc.). I mean, if true, that blarb you wrote is outright depressing.

I don’t think it was necessarily ego, I think it’s just hard to see straight about something you’re passionate about. I’m sure there’s reasons which don’t stem from contempt or malicious intent.

mbh.8301:

I don’t think it was necessarily ego, I think it’s just hard to see straight about something you’re passionate about. I’m sure there’s reasons which don’t stem from contempt or malicious intent.

It’s a mixture of both, I’m afraid – too certain about themselves (to the extend they kick people out of alpha..) and too passionate about their idea of pvp, which sadly doesn’t quite concide with most players’ idea of (good) pvp.

mbh.8301:

Ensign was in the alpha, well respected by all the players, and gave anet buckets upon buckets of great suggestions and analysis. Ensign was later kicked out of the alpha for being a negative influence since everyone agreed with what he wrote (you know, because it made sense). It wouldn’t matter if you were in alpha because the devs would never tell you anything more than “Yeah we’ll take that into consideration, cya”

That for real?
Oh Anet, what hast thou done. Words cannot describe how mindboggling your actions are.

And yea, that is their most popular phrase (ab)used to give one the feeling their opinion and feedback are being taken into account. It sort of reminds me of a psychiatrist saying ‘Hmm, interesting’ to each of their patients’ stories.

But they really kicked him out of alpha? Holy fk.
I just…huh

mbh.8301:

In alpha there was a guy, Ensign, who has unparalleled insight into this game / everything. At minimum, he is at least as smart / insightful as you – though I would consider this to be an insultingly conservative estimate. He was a huge pvp figure in gw1, it was often joked that one of the top guilds was just him on 8 computers.

Ensign was in the alpha, well respected by all the players, and gave anet buckets upon buckets of great suggestions and analysis. Ensign was later kicked out of the alpha for being a negative influence since everyone agreed with what he wrote (you know, because it made sense). It wouldn’t matter if you were in alpha because the devs would never tell you anything more than “Yeah we’ll take that into consideration, cya”

Hmm that sounds familiar…oh yeah

‘we have amazing paid tournaments for you guys coming’
-oh god that system doesnt make sense at all, randoms will end up getting farmed, and this is a horrible way to implement ratings
‘LIES’
4 months later
‘ok maybe that wasnt such a good idea, lets remove it and make a new conquest map’
randoms still getting farmed, back where we started

mbh.8301:

I don’t think it was necessarily ego, I think it’s just hard to see straight about something you’re passionate about. I’m sure there’s reasons which don’t stem from contempt or malicious intent.

People are rarely simple enough that a decision can just be nailed down to one motive.
What I threw out were more to show ‘what I meant’ by issues instead of ‘what they had to be’.

I’m pretty sure I can say that the devs did everything with their thoughts set towards a great game. They seem to want it, just have problems achieving it.

The only thing I see is a lot of those problems come from a PvE design philosophy. This game is pretty obviously designed for PvE first. There is no way a game focused on PvP would design the ranger as it is. Where are the skill shots? Why is their damage so passive? Why do I have to bring a pet? What happened to the interrupt system? There is no way the ranger was designed to interact with other players positively. If you break down each of these the choices they favor PvE but obviously have large negative consequences for PvP.

Downstate vs healers. Healers are a pain to find in PvE but PvP they add an entire layer of depth to the combat. Gw1 PvP was literally defined by how awesome monks were. They were what the team interaction was based around. Progress could only outweigh a monk if coordinated. Not keep hitting a target and it will eventually die regardless of if you pay attention to what the rest of your team is doing. Downstate can be nice in PvE though, such a simple nice deed you can do without being class dependent.

Basically Gw2 has reached its niche and it isn’t what many of the e-sports crowd are looking for in a game. It caters to its group of players and is a bit rude to pull out the rug from them even if the majority are looking for something else. It just leave the door open, rather widely for a new game to come in that focuses on the other crowd.

On a side note about ensign I believe there was a number of Gw1 players who were removed for strongly disagreeing with the core principals of a game. If what you want doesn’t match the core principals of a game, sucks but that is one area where strong negative feedback doesn’t help much. Maybe useful in looking at other audiences to target in a later title?

Fourth.1567:

The only thing I see is a lot of those problems come from a PvE design philosophy. This game is pretty obviously designed for PvE first.

Yeah, that’s what I came to start thinking.
I kinda just looked for any way that Anet could have thought their choices were good ideas though.
Casual PvP + tons of PvE patches…

A real tragedy… I was dying for this to be a good game.
One of the most sad parts though is that most vocal memers of the community seem to think streaming and better shoutcasting matches to ‘show people it can be fun’ will suddenly fix GW2…
I mean, that might make slight sense if GW2 had like no population out of beta… but it had an outrageously high one in a B2P game… that it lost in a few months time… to no competition…

People don’t care for the game, it needs massive player pressure on the devs for large gameplay tweaks or its instanced PvP is just going to keep faltering.

the absolute best thing the devs could possibly do would be to completely separate the pvp game into an actual other game so pve design choices don’t influence it. redo conditions, boons, traits, and heal skills to fit pvp needs. then we will have best pvp game ever.

milo.6942:

the absolute best thing the devs could possibly do would be to completely separate the pvp game into an actual other game so pve design choices don’t influence it. redo conditions, boons, traits, and heal skills to fit pvp needs. then we will have best pvp game ever.

That could be interesting.
First getting a larger dedicated PvP team would do wonders, after doing something like remaking the PvP cosmetics so there are a more cool looking things yet are notably hard to get with PvP currencies (like 5→100 slivers a piece of gear), yet you can pay gems for slivers or something like that (to actually get an income from PvP’ers), then I could see a larger split go somewhere.

garethh.3518:

Fourth.1567:

The only thing I see is a lot of those problems come from a PvE design philosophy. This game is pretty obviously designed for PvE first.

Yeah, that’s what I came to start thinking.
I kinda just looked for any way that Anet could have thought their choices were good ideas though.
Casual PvP + tons of PvE patches…

A real tragedy… I was dying for this to be a good game.
One of the most sad parts though is that most vocal memers of the community seem to think streaming and better shoutcasting matches to ‘show people it can be fun’ will suddenly fix GW2…
I mean, that might make slight sense if GW2 had like no population out of beta… but it had an outrageously high one… that it lost in a few months time… to no competition…

People don’t care for the game, it needs massive player pressure on the devs for large gameplay tweaks or its instanced PvP is just going to keep faltering.

I think the idea is that there’s only so much you can do in a certain amount of time. Having a more dedicated PvP Team would be a lot better. I am not sure how big their current development team is, but if it’s as small as it sounds, the amount of the stuff they’ve churned out thus far is understandable.

When I claim that in order for pvp to take off we need shoutcasting/casting and major support for these initiatives, I don’t mean that that’s the only thing we need in order to get the pvp realm of gw2 going. I mean, of course we need the developers to fix a lot of issues and introduce more reliable/defined content. However, I don’t doubt their ability to listen/read these forums. Shouting out ‘dying’ or ‘spvp is fail’ can bring attention to developers—sure. But it’s not going to change anything if they already acknowledge the decline of pvp. What needs to be done is support for whatever works now, and then constructive criticism on how to improve the system in future patches.

I believe in working as a team with the developers. Give them the feedback. Try to make do with what we have, etc. I know our list of ‘broken’ mechanics outlists some games, but some players make it an effort to account for that.

Broken Ranger Lick Wounds underwater – Never use Capricorn as a map til it’s balanced
Broken mobility of other classes when running orb – Never use Spirit Watch til it’s balanced

I’m sure if it comes down to literally broken moves, organized tourney goers can come up with a ban-list which happens often in fighting games (which don’t get updates) and some mmorpg pvp (such as Dragon Nest).

I do support the ongoing criticisms and what needs to be done. But providing constructive, well-written and statiscally proven feedback is much much different than going on a strike.

Trying to build the house from the roof it’s usually a bad idea, or useless at best.
We have a unsuccesfull pvp game that by casting some games will become a succesfull pvp game and also an esport that will have sponsors and all that stuff.
This transformation includes some kind of magic or probably mind control, i guess, the idea is to mind control people via casting so the playerbase increases and everybody starts believing that gw2 spvp is awesome. Sort of the same way HBO does with its series, like the wire, i’m sure it mind controlled me because i couldn’t stop watching it.

By the way, it’s not working well with me, i tried to watch some tournies but instead of start believing that gw2 spvp is awesome, the only thing i saw was sparkles, fires, and plenty of aoe lights. Maybe i have some kind of resistance against mind control, being mind controlled by HBO series is probably the cause.

ArcTheFallen.7682:

When I claim that in order for pvp to take off we need shoutcasting/casting and major support for these initiatives, I don’t mean that that’s the only thing we need in order to get the pvp realm of gw2 going.

By starting to strive towards the realm of ‘Esports’ the games gameplay NEEDS to solidify to a certain extent to allow metas to form so competitive teams can work on perfecting GW2… preventing larger changes to how it plays.
GW2 needs larger changes to how it plays.
Well, at least to be popular.

I’m not saying people can’t enjoy GW2 or it can’t have great hidden potential, just what seems best for the game as a whole. The people that enjoy the game’s play will still enjoy it with an ever expanding skillcap and the hidden potential isn’t going anywhere, the only thing that can is the playerbase willing to give GW2 another shot.

It’s why personally I find easing up on this massive stream attempted hype, Esportly, deal a good idea, until the game starts showing gameplay the general population finds great. I mean, right now in the B2P game they lost the vast majority of their launch population with no MMO competition… after progressive change, everyone can/will be entirely behind GW2, to do what it takes to push for popularity.

There is no rush, take LoL as example… it took 2 years for it to get popular, and look where it is now.
GW2 is a buy to play game, people are always willing to give it a second chance if it really does improve.
BUT if the community seriously pulls to be an Esport…. halting any changes short of balancing…. causing the game never truly to progresses… short of amazing, still hidden, potential; it will unavoidably stay grasping at that larger population of people, at people who refuse to find its gameplay worth any dedication.

Baldric.6781:

Trying to build the house from the roof it’s usually a bad idea, or useless at best…

…By the way, it’s not working well with me…

Lol, that’s the gist of it.

This is a really awesome post and has a lot of points that resonate with what i also think. It just seems as though, the more i play this game and obtain a deeper understanding of how it works, the less i seem to enjoy playing it and the more flaws i see in its style of combat.

garethh.3518:

KarlaGrey.5903:

If Anet spent as much time contemplating Gw2, we’d have a completely different game.

Hindsight is 20/20, but yeah I would have killed to get into the game’s alpha testing.

I would love to say it would have mattered with additional input in the Alpha test but…

The Test Krewe in Guild Wars 1 was hardly productive in the basics of game mechanics and the balancing of skills for PvP.

Anything that was a good idea had to be submitted higher up for whatever reason and rarely if ever got cleared to go through.

Even when devs approved of ideas – they would come back with crazy ideas that were never suggested and always made the game worse and would pass those instead.

It is mind boggling to me why ANet has made so many mistakes.

All good points.

If you think about it its amazing any company developed even half decent PvP. Its incredibly difficult to design and you can only do it if you’ve played at a high level and given it some serious thought.

Developers are not hired based on their ability to play but on experience, education and coding skills. They may have never pvpd at all and from that perspective its akin to taking some random guy from LA and putting him in charge

Acelerion.6820:

Developers are not hired based on their ability to play but on experience, education and coding skills. They may have never pvpd at all and from that perspective its akin to taking some random guy from LA and putting him in charge

Well, that’s what game testers are there for, at least I would hope.

I guess Im just dieing to hear if Anet has any plans to really work on their base gameplay or if they just want to try to make what they have work while promoting shoutcasting..

Bumping this thread for the sake of knowledge. Good read garethh, I agree with a good amount of what you’ve said.

I agree with almost everything you said. I also agree with the fact that trying to hype GW2 PvP with shoutcasting and streaming might detriment it in the long run. If Anet is able to fix PvP, then no doubt it can become a successful esport, just not now.

I think pushing for e-sport is a mistake too. Dont let people down twice. Dont assume they will all come back a third time when there is an expansion to be bought along with it. It boggles me mind how e-sport is the new buzz word around here, have people not been paying attention these last 9 months? They actually think a spectator mode is all that made people quit in droves and now we’re ready for lift off…amazing.

Ofcourse the remaining community is probably convinced this will be a success despite failing catastrophically before, since they are genuinely enjoying such an action packed super fun game as MW2, oh sorry i meant GW2.

Garethh. Gw2 is a dictatorship. They will allow us to rant. But if we hurt their cash flow in the slightest, we get infracted or banned. If we were to bribe them they might. Change something.

After watching some matches, it seems like the reason every team runs 2~ spike dps.
There just isn’t another way to pull out the necessary physical dmg…

Thanks for the bump and whatnot

“Ofcourse the remaining community is probably convinced this will be a success despite failing catastrophically before”
That seems to be the general consensus from people I’ve talked to who think so, “I am enjoying it at the moment and people left last time in a blaze of ‘no esport tools QQ’ so GW2 is all good now, right??’? right?!?!?!?”

@Zelulose
Pff, that or there is one other possibility…
Because at this rate it seems those cruel sadistic kittens could be kitten good at it.

Anyways, yeah I’m bored enough, or have enough hope, or maybe just there really isn’t any other good game out there… to really care if GW2 goes somewhere.

Bumping what is basicaly an obligatory reading material for our dearly beloved devs. And Ncsoft.

The more I think about it, the more I think the game could really use tweaks to power/crit/crit dmg to kind of avoid the spike/burst meta that is forming.

It was one of Anets main design principles back in beta to avoid something like that, to not be a terribly reflex based game just to be able to play, yet it has completely and utterly strayed in the other direction.

I feel the devs are quite passionate about their game, the reasons for all the screw ups may be derived from somewhere else.

swiftpaw.6397:

I feel the devs are quite passionate about their game, the reasons for all the screw ups may be derived from somewhere else.

They are passionate, there doesn’t seem to be much of a doubt about it.
Sorry if you thought I seriously meant otherwise.

BUT I have to say, tragically, passion doesn’t give prowess.
To make a good game the developers have to have a mind for it, and that is what is… debatable…

Anyways.
I’m sure there were also funding or time scale issues through alpha-beta since the game was released so unfinished, with so many core concepts still begetting leaps and bounds more testing/revision.

This thread has a ton of good ideas, although I think a lot of them would take a ton of time to implement. My somewhat easier solution is to leave abilities the way they are and add 350-400 vitality on all amulets and remove down state in tpvp. Make us work for a kill by using teamwork and combos instead of being bursted down in a gcd and without downed state, people can run utilities that they enjoy rather than one that is required to rez a teammate.

Totally agree that teamfights should be group/position based, and that combo fields should be kinda improved/reworked.

Dunno if this thread may be helpful:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Combo-s

Its bad that next to every spec NEEDS hard counters to conditions because of only imob and dps condi’s… making other condis mainly into their cover against cleansing, I mean, that isn’t innately an unworkable situation… if cleansing is well made… and until it starts pigeonholing near all conditions onto condi dps specs.

This! Now condition removal seems to be something every class whines about…yet they already have a lot. There will come a time where condition damage just won’t be worth it.