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Well – at first I checked the guild tags – seen some that would never do camp spawn in their lives – KT, AB, Heet etc.

Then I realized:
- The fight was at a side exit from the citadel…hardly a camp spawn point

- The groups was heading to Spirit

- SBI was attacking the Garrison and this group was probably heading there

So – try harder. Also I find it impolite to post a pic where your party uses an F word against SBI (not that we don’t – we don’t show it) Could’ve erased that part.

earendil.1290:

Well – at first I checked the guild tags – seen some that would never do camp spawn in their lives – KT, AB, Heet etc.

Then I realized:
- The fight was at a side exit from the citadel…hardly a camp spawn point

- The groups was heading to Spirit

- SBI was attacking the Garrison and this group was probably heading there

So – try harder. Also I find it impolite to post a pic where your party uses an F word against SBI (not that we don’t – we don’t show it) Could’ve erased that part.

You sure are quite amusing. I am confident that running through our Citadel is not the way to Spiritholme (I mean, you can clearly see multiple people running TOWARDS the portal). And that side exit IS the fastest way to Garrison, believe it or not. You know, the place we were trying to defend? I do recall WM spawn camping a lot too, I think Oozo has a video of it even, so I guess it’s not too shocking that SBI would follow suit.

Regarding the SBI part, I am pretty sure neither you or me have any clue what the context is, and as such it would probably have been better to ignore it.

Maladon.5760:

Does the “D” in DR stand for “delusional”?

Warmed my heart to see so many SoCo out!! It has been ~2 months or so since we’ve had those numbers, some new members plus lots of old friends that we hadn’t seen in a long while just showed up the same night, it was great!

Those fights between the camp and South Bay last night were a blast; throw in some ninja attempts on the SW tower by you guys, and it made for a great night all around.

I think this thread has become too focused on vilifying the other server(s). Can we all get along again please?

Sure we (SBI) have zergs, but guess what? I have seen PUG zergs from DR, and even IOJ on occasion. Does this classify them as a zerg server? No. ‘Zerg’ is a very loaded term which implies a lack of skill and reliance on mob mentality for survival: by claiming one server to be a ‘zerg server’, you’re generalizing the entire skill level of that server’s playerbase. For instance, I’ve seen some ‘fox appointed professor of cunning’ tactics and smaller scale fights from DR, and I’ve also seen 6 of us push back 20+ of them as they refused to move from siege. But I never would label DR, IOJ, or SBI for that matter a ‘zerg server’, because I respect everyone’s skill level: if yours is lower than mine, or higher, so what? I do not attribute our losing in the past weeks, or our winning in this week due to the relative skill level (short/long term tactics + individual) of either ourselves or our server matchups.

Why?

Because winning or losing doesn’t seem to matter that much within the game infrastructure, so it doesn’t matter that much to me. WvWvW seems to be built upon a principle emphasizing combat between the worlds, rather than major rewards. For instance, ‘the carrot on the stick’ is the possibility of combat, rather than the pursuit of a major reward. It is mind-numbingly boring to both be attacking an undefended tower, and to be the only defender (or one of few) of that tower (having experienced both). Winning and losing seem designed to be byproducts of WvWvW combat: changing tier rewards a server (intended at least) with a greater possibility of ‘closer’ combat.Winning, losing, or remaining in your current position yields ‘more’ combat.

Frustration is completely understandable, i.e. plenty of us were voicing frustration in-game/meta-game about our guild exodus situation, but there is a time when it gets taken too far or too serious, and I think this thread is in danger of heading down that direction. There have been times this week where I’ve been frustrated of a lack of communication, or frustrated at being outnumbered, or danced on, or laughed on, etc. (I have seen from all three servers, including my server-mates)

Why should we use a pejorative to demean, punish, or ostracize certain players or a server(s) that are participating? ‘Othering’, e.g. through such means as questioning the skill ability of another server, may build interior camaraderie and be an effective way to communicate your belonging to that community (party, squad, guild, server etc.), but is developing a semi-toxic relationship with other servers and their respective playerbase what we really want?

I think my general mindset in similar issues has always been that that we (players) shouldn’t feel the need to defend ourselves (intention, ability, motivation, etc.) from accusations of lacking in those parenthesized categories, NOR should we feel the urge to accuse others of lacking in those categories.

But that is always tricky in competitive situations (I am guilty of that occurring in irl sports.) But as an ideal, I try to maintain that perspective, and I think that it helps to negate some tension and feelings of ill-will towards others, moreso in leisure activities like gaming.

Thanks for reading, I hope this post helped in some way for someone (so my procrastination was not in vain!) and see you on the field.

tl;dr Everyone’s great, fun fights, Let’s hold hands and get along! (not in a creepy way!)

WanderingOsprey.2497:

I think this thread has become too focused on vilifying the other server(s). Can we all get along again please?
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I’m curious as to what your job is (or major if you are still in school). :P

Basically, I would just like to see people spread out more (on all the servers involved) instead of running in such large groups together. It’s not really something that can be fixed because people find safety in numbers and the maps are poorly designed for spreading people out.

Large numbers of people in the same area quite literally break the game. Look at the last minute or so of the movie I’ll be posting shortly to see where my personal frustration comes from. I know the other servers have to deal with this too.

Keep in mind that I can’t comment on large DR groups since we generally avoid them. Not because we dislike them personally, but because we dislike large zergy fights. Some nights go by with us never even seeing a large group of DR. Of course, we know that they do exist.

Some fights against SBI. Roughly 10-15 ADQQSTY versus 20-30+ SBI.

http://youtu.be/yAB7G3EDFjw

WanderingOsprey.2497:

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I agree with you. We on DR realize we are a T5 server, and that we will most likely be stuck here for a long, long time. This means we (at least I, and many of my friends) value the combative aspects of WvW far more than the race for points. It’s nice to win, but after having lost for ~2months straight, any people who only cared for winning are long gone.

The problem is that it seems SBI does not share this mentality. For example, instead of defending our BL after you night cap it, you choose to leave it and let us PvD for 30min every day. When we were fighting Maguuma, they always captured our bay, upgraded it fully, and defended it ferociously throughout the week, recapturing it should it fall. Should a sizeable DR force appear in DRBL while you are PvDooring it, you are often quick to leave it for another zone where points may more easily be obtained too. And instead of defending a tower in EB, you choose to treb it from your keep after we take it and move on. We used to have epic 2-3 hour battles over single towers when fighting Ehmry Bay.

Also, both EB and DR have competent small groups that used to go around zerg-busting. When these groups met by coincidence, epicness ensued. I have never had encounters like these with SBI.

You are right though, I shouldn’t generalize. Me complaining about SBI playing for points might seem weird, but it is taking away from the fun that I could be having (probably a month from now, too), and that makes me a little frustrated.

Oozo.7856:

WanderingOsprey.2497:

I think this thread has become too focused on vilifying the other server(s). Can we all get along again please?
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I’m curious as to what your job is (or major if you are still in school). :P

Basically, I would just like to see people spread out more (on all the servers involved) instead of running in such large groups together. It’s not really something that can be fixed because people find safety in numbers and the maps are poorly designed for spreading people out.

Large numbers of people in the same area quite literally break the game. Look at the last minute or so of the movie I’ll be posting shortly to see where my personal frustration comes from. I know the other servers have to deal with this too.

Keep in mind that I can’t comment on large DR groups since we generally avoid them. Not because we dislike them personally, but because we dislike large zergy fights. Some nights go by with us never even seeing a large group of DR. Of course, we know that they do exist.

I’m currently in grad school (Folklore MA).

I completely understand your argument and frustration: we had to deal with opposing significantly larger numbered groups for some time as well before this match up, and indeed sometimes during this match up.

I completely see the desire for ‘smaller groups’: I also tend to lean towards small precise strikes, i.e. ambushes in Strategy games/Shooters, or scout-archetypes. Also some of my favorite WvWvW memories have come from running in a five man havoc squad when we were hopelessly outnumbered.

Yet sometimes when I play, I do want to travel with numbers, anticipating equally large engagements: case in point, this one back and forth open-field skirmish with DR was a lot of fun (I’m the foreground-Guardian who doesn’t seem aware of his being in a battle)! But part of what makes it special and stand out, is its relative lack in occurrence. If it happened all the time, we’d be wanting more tower-defense gameplay.

In that post I was hoping to address the issue of ‘zerg’, and try to steer away accusatory discussions between our servers with that rambling wall of text, perhaps literally in forcing people to navigate around it >:).

I don’t see the issue of one having and the other not having, in the case of numbers, as indicative of either’s relative skill level: everyone contributes something in WvWvW.

When it comes down to it, we all just want to play and have the capacity to play in our own respective ways: for some that is traveling in numbers and for others in smaller groups. Thank you for the response

I’ve been wondering this for awhile now so I’m just gonna ask…

Is Devona’s Rest always this whiny?

People must realize first that there is nothing specific to one server or another that grants that server all the worst or best players. Each server has some very good and some very bad players. But there will be different skill sets developed based on what those players do with their time in game.

If you are in a higher population tier then you will be spending a good amount of time playing in large groups and learning to participate in that style of play. And since a significant portion of this games mechanics are based on responding to visual cues then you will be “dumbing-down” your play since it is impossible to see much of anything through the spell effects and you are guaranteed to be standing in both white and red fields with boons and conditions and aoe/shouts affecting 5 random players at a time etc etc.

But the good news is that people don’t need to play like that to survive in the less populated tiers so they will eventually adapt and enjoy a more interesting play style if they get to stay in lower populated tiers for awhile.

Basically the whole WvWvW 24hour point scoring system has its issues so I try to just have fun and not get too caught up in the “must find a night crew to win” game.

Maladon.5760:

I’ve been wondering this for awhile now so I’m just gonna ask…

Is Devona’s Rest always this whiny?

I thought I would try and answer but I got sidetracked by all your whinning

Maladon.5760:

I don’t think it’s the score that’s brought anyone back. It’s the fact that we’re not being camped at our portals most likely. Very few people want to step out into the WvW zone and instantly be targeted by siege equipment.

Maladon.5760:

Does the “D” in DR stand for “delusional”?

Maladon.5760:

I think this Oozo guy is a bot, he says the same things over and over

Kyuzo.4675:

Maladon.5760:

I’ve been wondering this for awhile now so I’m just gonna ask…

Is Devona’s Rest always this whiny?

I thought I would try and answer but I got sidetracked by all your whinning

Maladon.5760:

I don’t think it’s the score that’s brought anyone back. It’s the fact that we’re not being camped at our portals most likely. Very few people want to step out into the WvW zone and instantly be targeted by siege equipment.

Maladon.5760:

Does the “D” in DR stand for “delusional”?

Maladon.5760:

I think this Oozo guy is a bot, he says the same things over and over

Apparently the spelling as well as the meaning of “whining” has escaped you. However, your post still managed to answer my question. Thanks

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/How-to-Fix-zerging-in-WvWvW/1322528

Yeah, seeing people complain about what other people are saying when they have said those same things in the past is always amusing.

Kyuzo for Tier presidente <3

I think he is the earsiest mans with smart heads.

Oozo.7856:

Yeah, seeing people complain about what other people are saying when they have said those same things in the past is always amusing.

It’s not necessarily the content I have an issue with but the frequency. In other words, all you DR people do is whine about our numbers and downplay your own. Every other post in this thread is DR posters disapproving of the manner in which they are being defeated. It’s got to be exhausting for you.

Maladon – they are baiting you. Stop feeding them. Your chances of making them change their mind with any sort of positive or rational stuff are nil. They are here for the fun of seeing you (and me and other SBIers) post.

Check their post history – you’ll see that’s mostly what they do here.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Chaosky.5276:

SBI here – it’s not like I prefer running around in a zerg in which my contributions are minimized, but smaller groups rarely form, and I’m a nobody, so people won’t listen to me.

Besides, Grundlebad (a commander) is awesome.

Is he from KT? They have a fairly good commander from my experience. Charr I think.

Maladon.5760:

etiolate.9185:

I find it telling that SBI has had an increase in participation since dropping down to a more ‘livable’ bracket. I would conclude that more people play if they feel they have a chance to win or do something of any meaning.

If ANet just removed the score and allowed the map situation to dictate interest then it could help overall participation.

I don’t think it’s the score that’s brought anyone back. It’s the fact that we’re not being camped at our portals most likely. Very few people want to step out into the WvW zone and instantly be targeted by siege equipment.

I couldn’t agree more on the spawn camping part.

You aren’t trying to say the pic is a spawn camp are you? Cause if you are……o.O

Gab Superstar.4059:

earendil.1290:

Well – at first I checked the guild tags – seen some that would never do camp spawn in their lives – KT, AB, Heet etc.

Then I realized:
- The fight was at a side exit from the citadel…hardly a camp spawn point

- The groups was heading to Spirit

- SBI was attacking the Garrison and this group was probably heading there

So – try harder. Also I find it impolite to post a pic where your party uses an F word against SBI (not that we don’t – we don’t show it) Could’ve erased that part.

You sure are quite amusing. I am confident that running through our Citadel is not the way to Spiritholme (I mean, you can clearly see multiple people running TOWARDS the portal). And that side exit IS the fastest way to Garrison, believe it or not. You know, the place we were trying to defend? I do recall WM spawn camping a lot too, I think Oozo has a video of it even, so I guess it’s not too shocking that SBI would follow suit.

Regarding the SBI part, I am pretty sure neither you or me have any clue what the context is, and as such it would probably have been better to ignore it.

LOL you use that exit as the fastest route to Garrison…..credibility GONE!

Maladon.5760:

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Apparently the spelling as well as the meaning of “whining” has escaped you. However, your post still managed to answer my question. Thanks

You have not only corrected my mistake with the extra “n” but also made me reevaluate your recent posts that I mistook for simple trolling. (I have yet to decipher their hidden qualities but there must be something of worth there right?)

Maladon.5760:

Oozo.7856:

Yeah, seeing people complain about what other people are saying when they have said those same things in the past is always amusing.

It’s not necessarily the content I have an issue with but the frequency. In other words, all you DR people do is whine about our numbers and downplay your own. Every other post in this thread is DR posters disapproving of the manner in which they are being defeated. It’s got to be exhausting for you.

Selective reading, I see. I guess you missed the part where we have said our populations are roughly equivalent during primetime. Coverage is the problem, as it is in most brackets. Nothing can be done about that. The primetime hours have been relatively even in population for SBI and DR.

earendil.1290:

Maladon – they are baiting you. Stop feeding them. Your chances of making them change their mind with any sort of positive or rational stuff are nil. They are here for the fun of seeing you (and me and other SBIers) post.

Check their post history – you’ll see that’s mostly what they do here.

I know, I was just curious if they whined like this all the time or if it was a recent development. I guess we got the answer

There’s a difference between dominating the scoreboard and dominating the battlefield. SBI doesn’t really dominate the battlefield unless their numbers are vastly greater than their opponents. Don’t take that statement the wrong way, I’m not trying to start any arguments…I’m just offering an honest assessment of what’s happening on the battlefield.

I think, if they’re being honest, SBI’s commanders would admit this as well. SBI is losing a lot of battles that shouldn’t even be close. It’s been that way since this matchup started last week. I guess that can be partially attributed to the SBI zergs that can withstand heavy losses and still manage to gain ground.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Jan-18-25-SoR-TC-SBI/1265245

Oozo.7856:

Some fights against SBI. Roughly 10-15 ADQQSTY versus 20-30+ SBI.

http://youtu.be/yAB7G3EDFjw

Surely this isn’t the first time you’ve been hit with culling…?

There’s not much else to say except that complaining to us about it is really quite laughable. A lot of us on SBI have been here since we were a mainstay in T1 and have experienced the lameness of culling much much much more than you have.

Gab Superstar.4059:

WanderingOsprey.2497:

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I agree with you. We on DR realize we are a T5 server, and that we will most likely be stuck here for a long, long time. This means we (at least I, and many of my friends) value the combative aspects of WvW far more than the race for points. It’s nice to win, but after having lost for ~2months straight, any people who only cared for winning are long gone.

The problem is that it seems SBI does not share this mentality. For example, instead of defending our BL after you night cap it, you choose to leave it and let us PvD for 30min every day. When we were fighting Maguuma, they always captured our bay, upgraded it fully, and defended it ferociously throughout the week, recapturing it should it fall. Should a sizeable DR force appear in DRBL while you are PvDooring it, you are often quick to leave it for another zone where points may more easily be obtained too. And instead of defending a tower in EB, you choose to treb it from your keep after we take it and move on. We used to have epic 2-3 hour battles over single towers when fighting Ehmry Bay.

Also, both EB and DR have competent small groups that used to go around zerg-busting. When these groups met by coincidence, epicness ensued. I have never had encounters like these with SBI.

You are right though, I shouldn’t generalize. Me complaining about SBI playing for points might seem weird, but it is taking away from the fun that I could be having (probably a month from now, too), and that makes me a little frustrated.

Why won’t you believe that we DO NOT have the population to cap your BL and then assign people to upgrade and defend it? Most of our WvW guilds left before the free server transfers stopped. In fact it feels like to me that DR has more numbers.

So why don’t you stay and upgrad and defend keeps in our BL you just flipped? I run most of the time in small guild grps of 5 to 10 and we have had many good fights. But we have also seen LARGE zergs of 20-30 (probably pugs) die or run before us. So stop dissing us. The people that stayed on SBI are competent experienced PvPers and I am getting really tired of you calling us out on our skill and play style. We have much less WvW population then EB had and yet we win many battles both undermanned and at times over. Many of us have given you guys complements but it seems all we get from you are insults. Good Sportsmanship is a winners trait!

Gab Superstar.4059:

The problem is that it seems SBI does not share this mentality. For example, instead of defending our BL after you night cap it, you choose to leave it and let us PvD for 30min every day. When we were fighting Maguuma, they always captured our bay, upgraded it fully, and defended it ferociously throughout the week, recapturing it should it fall. Should a sizeable DR force appear in DRBL while you are PvDooring it, you are often quick to leave it for another zone where points may more easily be obtained too.

This might shock you but our numbers are nothing compared to the likes of Maguuma. There is a reason they can afford to set up a proper defence in another BL and we can’t – we don’t have the numbers (particularly during prime time), despite you being absolutely delusional and seeming to think we do.

It is no different to when SBI was getting pwned by SoS. They would set-up shop in our own BL, upgrading keeps etc, because they had the ridiculous numbers to do so… even with the 3rd server still being competitive (JQ).

Amurond.4590:

Oozo.7856:

Some fights against SBI. Roughly 10-15 ADQQSTY versus 20-30+ SBI.

http://youtu.be/yAB7G3EDFjw

Surely this isn’t the first time you’ve been hit with culling…?

There’s not much else to say except that complaining to us about it is really quite laughable. A lot of us on SBI have been here since we were a mainstay in T1 and have experienced the lameness of culling much much much more than you have.

Culling is far worse now under the new culling system than the old system. The new code also benefits the side with numbers over the side without the numbers. The complaint at the end is for Arenanet, not you. I will be posting the movie to the main forums (as I have done so with other culling movies and the poll on culling). It’s not acceptable.

Krash.9486:

Gab Superstar.4059:

WanderingOsprey.2497:

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I agree with you. We on DR realize we are a T5 server, and that we will most likely be stuck here for a long, long time. This means we (at least I, and many of my friends) value the combative aspects of WvW far more than the race for points. It’s nice to win, but after having lost for ~2months straight, any people who only cared for winning are long gone.

The problem is that it seems SBI does not share this mentality. For example, instead of defending our BL after you night cap it, you choose to leave it and let us PvD for 30min every day. When we were fighting Maguuma, they always captured our bay, upgraded it fully, and defended it ferociously throughout the week, recapturing it should it fall. Should a sizeable DR force appear in DRBL while you are PvDooring it, you are often quick to leave it for another zone where points may more easily be obtained too. And instead of defending a tower in EB, you choose to treb it from your keep after we take it and move on. We used to have epic 2-3 hour battles over single towers when fighting Ehmry Bay.

Also, both EB and DR have competent small groups that used to go around zerg-busting. When these groups met by coincidence, epicness ensued. I have never had encounters like these with SBI.

You are right though, I shouldn’t generalize. Me complaining about SBI playing for points might seem weird, but it is taking away from the fun that I could be having (probably a month from now, too), and that makes me a little frustrated.

Why won’t you believe that we DO NOT have the population to cap your BL and then assign people to upgrade and defend it? Most of our WvW guilds left before the free server transfers stopped. In fact it feels like to me that DR has more numbers.

Here is a picture from DRBL Saturday! Notable features include;

- 20 SBI at bay.
- 20 SBI at hills.
- Outmanned buff for DR.
- The grand total of six (6) DR in bay, and the one (1) DR player in hills.

But yeah, DR probably has more numbers. I mean, we have stuff in EB right? Our huge zerg must be there, because you know, we have more numbers. Surely they will come to save DRBL after we ask them to. Right?

But… How come we only have 145 points? It’s almost as if we don’t have anything in EB, and only hold our own BL, and a few camps in other maps. Oh well. At least we still have the numbers in this match up.

I guess Sbi numbers have increased somehow.. a queue tonight on EB- have not seen that in a good bit.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Here is a picture from DRBL Saturday! Notable features include;

- 20 SBI at bay.
- 20 SBI at hills.
- Outmanned buff for DR.
- The grand total of six (6) DR in bay, and the one (1) DR player in hills.

But yeah, DR probably has more numbers. I mean, we have stuff in EB right? Our huge zerg must be there, because you know, we have more numbers. Surely they will come to save DRBL after we ask them to. Right?

But… How come we only have 145 points? It’s almost as if we don’t have anything in EB, and only hold our own BL, and a few camps in other maps. Oh well. At least we still have the numbers in this match up.

That’s okay, apparently DR is super skilled and SBI is super unskilled so with those types of estimated odds I kind of expected you to be on top of the situation.

To my fellow SBIers. Please do not answer to these guys anymore, unless you find trolling/ conter-trolling enjoyable (if that’s your case – do your best ). Do not answer to the content of their posts – it’s 100% bait.

They’ll say anything hoping for a reaction. They will repeat endlessly – even bold letters that:
– SBI is a zerg server
– SBIers are unskilled players
– SBIers are only winning with numbers.
– SBIers, just like their WM masters only use culling to defeat them

They’re ready to do anything for attention – they’ll claim SBI is spawncamping then show a pic of a SBI group fighting near the NE exit from Citadel and claim “that is the closest exit to get to the garrison”. The falseness in this statement should be enough to shatter any credibility.

Let them be. Go fight the real DR people on the battlefield. The ones that never give up and cause us headaches (and enjoyable fights). These are forum warriors. We spent too much time with the nice people from Tarnished Coast, Yaks Bend and Crystal Desert and forgot those exist.

Some good fights tonight vs IoJ and SBI.
We poked you a bit to see where you were and if you were vigilant, and you were.

Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo

Well yeah, everybody knows (or should know) that the people posting here on the forum are a minority and do not represent the server.

Great fights tonight in Isle of Jambo borderlands, both IoJ and SBI. You guys jambo’d and booped and we had all the fun boopin’s together.

Respect knuckles for the IoJ groups that kept the pressure on, especially.

Ears still blushing.

Zomg hella fun fight at Greenvale/DB in IoJ bl.. DR came hard, loved it
I can’t speak for the whole server but I can tell you “UnS” look forward to tho’z chit your pantz , keyboard breaking battles!!! Btw.. love all tho’z boon heavy builds & so does my “Corrupt Boon”“Epidemic” 2.4sec fear combo!!! Lyssa/“Save Yourselves” anyone ;O

EricDravin.8947:

“Corrupt Boon”“Epidemic” 2.4sec fear combo!!! Lyssa/“Save Your Selves” anyone ;O

SO YOU WAS DA SCURY MANG 8O

The fighting was fun tonight during prime time. Had some nice back and forth with IoJ and SBI. SBI is starting to adapt and realize that they can compete and fight in smaller numbers (which will quickly make them much better at it also).

I hope that SBI can stay in the tier long enough to enjoy the fights but the scoring system might not allow for that because of their better timezone coverage.

Neeho.3859:

Maladon.5760:

Does the “D” in DR stand for “delusional”?

Warmed my heart to see so many SoCo out!! It has been ~2 months or so since we’ve had those numbers, some new members plus lots of old friends that we hadn’t seen in a long while just showed up the same night, it was great!

Those fights between the camp and South Bay last night were a blast; throw in some ninja attempts on the SW tower by you guys, and it made for a great night all around.

Don’t ya love the family pic of the guild!!

Kyuzo.4675:

The fighting was fun tonight during prime time. Had some nice back and forth with IoJ and SBI. SBI is starting to adapt and realize that they can compete and fight in smaller numbers (which will quickly make them much better at it also).

I hope that SBI can stay in the tier long enough to enjoy the fights but the scoring system might not allow for that because of their better timezone coverage.

Actually SBI is haunted by their past history of being a T1 server. They are actually losing points while DR and IoJ are gaining points since they aren’t “beating us as badly as a former T1 server should be beating us” according to the dysfunctional system that is being used to calculate ratings.

Meanwhile, in the bracket below us, the score is so close that at this rate they will never be able to advance to our bracket even though both BP and AR might be “stronger” servers than both IoJ and DR (post exodus).

earendil.1290:

They’ll say anything hoping for a reaction. They will repeat endlessly – even bold letters that:
– SBI is a zerg server
– SBIers are unskilled players
– SBIers are only winning with numbers.
– SBIers, just like their WM masters only use culling to defeat them

Mischaracterizing what has been said in order to make the other people seem unreasonable in order to “win” a forum argument doesn’t reflect well upon you as a person.

Nice try…. I would give it a 3 out of 10. Maybe a 4 or 5 even to highlight the effort.

You should try harder, I know you can do better. You did it before, your posts prove it.

earendil.1290:

Nice try…. I would give it a 3 out of 10. Maybe a 4 or 5 even to highlight the effort.

You should try harder, I know you can do better. You did it before, your posts prove it.

I didn’t say that all SBIers zerg. In fact, I said that there are always exception to the rule. That means I know there are SBIers out there that run in smaller groups

I didn’t say that all SBIers were unskilled. In fact, I said that there will be skilled (that is, not bad) players will be running with large groups.

I didn’t say that SBI abuses culling in order to win. In fact, I said that it was an issue that effects all of the servers.

I didn’t say that SBI was only winning because of numbers. SBI is winning because of coverage. That’s an issue that not fixable and is certainly not SBI’s fault.

So, yes – you have mischaracterized the things I’ve said in order to make me seem unreasonable to bolster your position.

Hey there,

Just got off for the night and wanted to post some of the adventure we had today on IoJ borderlands. There is some fight in DR and SBI and it show when UnS collided outside of greenbrier(Was IoJ’s at the moment) with a SBI group and a turned into a three way fight with portal bombs and suicide runs. I had to break out the popcorn as I watch from the safety of the tower.

We also lead a small group into SBI lands to see if there was any SBI defending anything and sure enough there was a crew there. Took out my golem at bay after we tried to stealth it over to the north side. Sadly we had a new guild with us [Pain] toss up some orange swords but hey they did not know that they would trigger, so it all good.

I think IoJ Borderlands is the defacto brawl land then the eternal battle grounds, so much DR and SBI in the south!

Kyuzo.4675:

I hope that SBI can stay in the tier long enough to enjoy the fights but the scoring system might not allow for that because of their better timezone coverage.

The way their modified Glicko system works we will be together for awhile. We may be in something of a tier lock as SBI has been losing overall points despite having the highest matchup points last week. More reason to be civil to one another.

I don’t know that we have overall better time zone coverage. I could be wrong here but last I knew we didn’t have much “overnight” coverage.

sigh

As a member of DR, I’d say the same arguments always happen in unbalanced servers and it does get old and probably every server here has been on the giving and receiving end of all of these silly arguments.

Why? Because essentially we are all random collections of people with very little difference between our demographics. In fact, so similar that we enjoy both GW2 and WVW in specific. We’d probably have a lot to talk about IRL…

Bottom line is my theory is a lot of these people that jump onto forums and complain about numbers etc. TEND TO BE newer to wvw (not all but it’s more prevalent). They get into it and get frustrated at some of the imbalance and think they’ve got this brilliant idea that X server is beating Y server due to numbers and has no skill otherwise. ETC.ETC.ETC.

DR used to be the victims of this when we were winning.

From the vast majority of DR players I play with who are serious and hardcore wvw players, I’d say that our HONEST opinions are that we feel outmatched against SBI, and consider them fairly good individually and as well as organizationally.

IoJ we have less fear of, and at least myself personally feel that we tend to outmatch them but they play the scores very well and give us a very good run for our money because they know what they are doing. I think I personally have felt that if we can hold off IoJ they will tend to back off and find somewhere else to play, while SBI tends to be more tenacious and relentless.

However, as I said before, probably much of these perceived differences are fictitious as we are largely a randomized sample of a very specific subset population.

Please for all involved ignore the trolls and accept DR’s apology if you think that they represent the entire server. We feel you guys are very decent servers and obviously SBI is kicking our tails!

SBI, please stop pushing for our keep, you are giving us all too much karma and badges.
I appreciate you guys trying and actually giving it a go! We over at IoJ are getting a lot of experience with defending.
THANK GOD, you tried something new, other than trebbing down our outer wall, you can actually come up with something else.
Ill admit, seeing the 3 omegas and how ever many alphas bust through that outer gate like that, i was shaking in my booties, but a quick call out to the other commanders and we instantly tripled our forces in eternal quickly halting your advance, another great defense IoJ! Loving this week, we’ve held second for a while now.

alcuin.1257:

Bottom line is my theory is a lot of these people that jump onto forums and complain about numbers etc. TEND TO BE newer to wvw (not all but it’s more prevalent). They get into it and get frustrated at some of the imbalance and think they’ve got this brilliant idea that X server is beating Y server due to numbers and has no skill otherwise. ETC.ETC.ETC.

Actually, both me and many others have stated that we are not losing because of numbers, but because of coverage. Therefore I think your post is very unjustified.
When you see me complaining about SBI only running around in their <large number of players>, it is not because we are losing due to it. On the contrary, it’s a major reason why we do so well in prime time.

My gripe with SBI is their (faked?) ignorance of their superior coverage, and that they 1) admit that we will be stuck with this match up for a long time, but 2) they still play in a way that is less oriented towards fun, and instead oriented towards gaining points.

When playing EB we had tons of fight clubs, epic 3h stand offs at towers that meant jack-kitten in the larger picture, and many smaller teams break away from their larger guilds in favor of roaming around, making all maps much much more vivid. In this match up, if you are not at the center of battle, you are very unlikely to find enemy players at all, and yes, this hurts many preferred play styles.

Female human thief from [HARD] wearing tier three cultural – doubt you’ll read this, but…

Nice (often interrupted) exchanges last night – props! What made you single me out initially?! :p

It is quite funny people keep posting their own thoughts of judgements
on SBI saying they are just going after points and thats all

Don’t you think that’s too personal?
having fun? Playing in smaller numbers fliping camps, towers, even empty keeps
are surely fun. Fighting in open field until one lays their body on the floor getting flagged that’s another fun

Why people think SBI is not fun oriented? where is the proof of that?
where that came from? isn’t it all personal thoughts without proof that cannot be judged by others

Not being zergy and break down to smaller groups and roaming for fun
is what some players decided to do for their own fun
being in the large group of people, keep trying till get towers, keeps, or whatever
is what they decided to do for their fun
People cannot say being in the zerg is not fun and only fun can be found in smaller roaming group – that’s just silly

And how the hack only SBI got all these hooks?
I’m pretty sure some of those smaller group players went to their Border land for help or to ethernal because there is huge ZERG of SBI flipping their territories
then their zerg came to whatever and wherever SBI zerg is
than become SBI zerg vs DR zerg vs IOJ zerg
cannot tell those smaller roaming group left the field because they hate us being zerg
but just don’t point out and complain to SBI only for being zergy

And some people keep comparing last T5 match ups with EB i guess?
Its their thoughts and opinion saying they had more fun with them in their match
so i’m putting mine here that
last match up in T4 with YB and CD for few weeks and personally i had blasted time with them
yes we’ve lost and dropped to T5 but better quality of fights, more fun in the game
not only them, had fun reading threads and posts in this WvW forum with them
with love and respect – well its my personal opinion anyway who cares? XD

I know there are very nice, enjoying their battles in wvw without cries
in both DR and IOJ! You guys are awesome!
We were trying to keep pushing to your keeps and towers but got wiped out of
very nice placement of ACs Can’t reach them!
still having nice time with lots of players in both of servers

Lets just have enjoyable week for next reset!

Krelkain.5418:

ADQQSTY has joined Warr Machine, following our new leader Munong.

http://i.imgur.com/Eb4Wj4f.jpg

Hahahaha.. Please don’t kidding us.
Some members of [Kiwi] guild are from WM. I was also an open member of WM in Kaineng when they were in SBI; but not anymore. I have one question. Do you know an address of WM hompage? lol.. (http://www.warmachine.kr/xe/) It’s their formal hompage. I have posted this issue. They will be fun. lol.. Anyway, I love this match. Please don’t fight.