Guild Wars 2

NSP beat the tar out of us (HoD) in EB for many hours last night with huge zergs while GoM piled on as well. We where almost down to only our keep. I had to repair my armor so many times I was almost broke. Then they just evaporated (mostly) for some reason. Maybe they decided to beat on GoM for a change or just went to bed. We took back our side of EB and GoM did the same.

NSP was so strong we had to focus on the greater threat. If we leave GoM alone so as to have only one front for a while, I wouldn’t call that evil. I am not a commander, nor privy to their exchanges, but in the last couple nights I know we have cooperated with whoever was NOT the owner of that keep to help take it, but not hold it. On two consecutive nights we both helped NSP push GoM out of it, and helped GoM push NSP out of it. We also failed the attempt most of the times we tried because it was so well defended.

NSP cannot complain about this because they did the EXACT SAME THING the night before to GoM. I have seen two colors split the enemies BL on many occasions as well. It’s simple tactics, take what is easiest and don’t overreach, or you will just end up on the wrong end of a double team.

Once we had GoM or NSP pushed out of EB we broke out the party boxes and goofed off for a while. What’s wrong with that? NSP wasn’t locked in, they could take either side exit en mass and start attacking if they wanted to. The siege we setup was just for kicks, as it could not hurt any of the NSP standing there. We definitely had people itching to attack GoM, but the commanders asked them to hold off as we where in a good position. Clearly there was some temporary deal made, and honoring that allows for future negotiations. You cannot attack everyone everywhere all the time. Being smart about where to draw the line is not evil.

Smitry speaks for all of us. Well said!

Every server gets double teamed!

NSP and HoD have double teamed GoM. GoM and NSP have double teamed HoD. GoM and HoD have double teamed NSP. If you cannot remember all of this happening, then you either don’t pay attention or your memory sucks.

The difference between a wining team and a losing team is this: How do you handle being double teamed?

I understand that it sucks when you cannot win because you are being double teamed. You can come to the forums and yell at people for their “shameful” actions. Or you can fight to the last man to slow them down. The double team will shift again soon enough.

titanlectro.5029:

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Every server gets double teamed!

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NSP and HoD have double teamed GoM. GoM and NSP have double teamed HoD. GoM and HoD have double teamed NSP. If you cannot remember all of this happening, then you either don’t pay attentiion or your memory sucks.

The difference between a wining team and a losing team is this: How do you handle being double teamed?

I understand that it sucks when you cannot win because you are being double teamed. You can come to the forums and yell at people for their “shameful” actions. Or you can fight to the last man to slow them down. The double team will shift again soon enough.

I’m not saying anything is “shameful” I’m just saying that the plan you guys have in place is smart. Right now its your only sound strat. If you guys do anything else you’d be a distant last place. A smart , sound , move.

Bring it, we’ll be here fighting as we always are.

I wonder paxa , how’s it feel to be on teh zerg server. Ive personally yet to experience it.

Hello HoD! Just transferred from Darkhaven to you guys and look forward to fighting for you in some competitive WvW!

For anyone who cares, I brought [ApeX] a smaller guild more focused on squad composition and tactics rather than zerging. See you on the field!

[ApeX]

moutzaheadin.4029:

titanlectro.5029:

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Every server gets double teamed!

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NSP and HoD have double teamed GoM. GoM and NSP have double teamed HoD. GoM and HoD have double teamed NSP. If you cannot remember all of this happening, then you either don’t pay attentiion or your memory sucks.

The difference between a wining team and a losing team is this: How do you handle being double teamed?

I understand that it sucks when you cannot win because you are being double teamed. You can come to the forums and yell at people for their “shameful” actions. Or you can fight to the last man to slow them down. The double team will shift again soon enough.

I’m not saying anything is “shameful” I’m just saying that the plan you guys have in place is smart. Right now its your only sound strat. If you guys do anything else you’d be a distant last place. A smart , sound , move.

Bring it, we’ll be here fighting as we always are.

I wonder paxa , how’s it feel to be on teh zerg server. Ive personally yet to experience it.

Every server is a zerg server, NSP just happens to have the most active small man groups, for now anyway. Whats funny is the way people are complaining about the size of the zerg, which has always been a PAXA complaint. Maybe you guys just didn’t know how many people were around you with culling.

Also funny is people complaining about servers teaming up. Maybe if everyone were able to play their own character they wouldn’t need to follow around a guy who had 100 gold. Nothing in game prevented HoD from attacking GoM except a guy with a blue dorrito, and look at all the people who were won over by it.

Victim of being double teamed? Send a message in game to someone in PAXA and maybe we’ll come stir the pot. The beauty of 1v1v1.

Spets the MilkBandit.9031:

obastable.5231:

being on hod, i can confirm that you are deliberately being double teamed. my hubby has a stash of screenies of various commanders telling people to stop attacking gom because we are apparently working together.

<- this persons guild does not approve of the situation

And GoM please consider the following. you team up with the winning server, higher pop server, which is already on its way to t6… leaving you behind in t7…with us… and i can promise you. It will not be fun for you.

Hey Spets, just wanna point out at reset and for 4-5 hours after, NSP had a 40-50 man organized in GoM BL, locking down East side of the map (btw nice job OS, plenty of epics battles there). In the end we did not understand why NSP would stay there while they were missing a lot in their own BL (south+hills), did not pressure HoD’s BL from what I saw, etc.

Check Calisto’s screen-shot above, it’s exactly what I’m talking about. If you think HoD is the strong team now, you might as well fight them if you want a shot at 1st place.

Anyways good fights! Fun reset night.
Note: Lots of guilds at N-A primetime I know continue to play for 1st, that is the only way we love to play this game.

Bllade.1029:

Hello HoD! Just transferred from Darkhaven to you guys and look forward to fighting for you in some competitive WvW!

For anyone who cares, I brought [ApeX] a smaller guild more focused on squad composition and tactics rather than zerging. See you on the field!

[ApeX]

Welcome to HoD ~ I don’t know if I remember seeing ApeX back when we faced DH, but regardless it’s wonderful to have you. You’ll see me running around generally being optimistic and fabulous, and if you want to be fabulous as well just ask. It’s the fun way to do things.

titanlectro.5029:

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Every server gets double teamed!

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NSP and HoD have double teamed GoM. GoM and NSP have double teamed HoD. GoM and HoD have double teamed NSP. If you cannot remember all of this happening, then you either don’t pay attention or your memory sucks.

The difference between a wining team and a losing team is this: How do you handle being double teamed?

I understand that it sucks when you cannot win because you are being double teamed. You can come to the forums and yell at people for their “shameful” actions. Or you can fight to the last man to slow them down. The double team will shift again soon enough.

Completely disagree. My lovely and noble server NSP is not upset because we were accidentally double teamed. That happens from time to time naturally. We’re rightly outraged because this was a PLANNED double-team where GoM and HoD commanders were specifically telling their troops NOT to attack each other, where GoM and HoD where HANGING OUT next to each other and camping our spawn point. Not only is this completely unethical and dishonorable, it also breaks the game’s intentions for WvW. I used to think GoM and HoD were decent servers with good people. It was a relief not to fight AR. But now? I’ve lost all respect for GoM and HoD. Here at NSP we value a good clean fight. Our commanders would never do anything so low. I call on those decent, honorable players in HoD and GoM, of which I know there are many, to speak out against this kind of behavior in your player base. You can still save your reputations by getting it together and playing the game as it was intended. It’s up to the good, honest commanders on GoM and HoD to make sure this doesn’t happen again or the stain of this knavish dishonor will follow you around through whatever tiers you’re in.

This attached pic was when I logged on last night and saw the shameful situation.

Just figured i would pop in and thank OS for the night of death and carnage last night on our borderlands. Keep it up. borderlands gets kinda of stale sometimes. and E. bg is a bit to siege orientated for me. hm got 3 screen shots of OS attack on a tower. these are a panoramic of the battle (graphics have been turned off, [my computer is old])

hm pic 3 should be where pic 2 is.

As a GoM player that usually spends my time in the BLs rather than EB, I can not comment on the specifics of what happened in EB last night, but I definitely frown upon any pre-meditated truce between GoM and HoD. I am sorry that NSP had to deal with that last night.

Instead of crying about it, perhaps you guys should have done something about it.

Pull all your troops out of EB and move them to a different borderland. If there had been no one to spawn camp, they would have most likely fought each other which would have meant that large portions of GoM and HoD would have been occupied with each other in EB.

The large influx of players on a BL would have meant that you could regain all the lost points of EB quite quickly. So next time, take advantage of a situation that would force your enemies to fight each other, while you can go off for easy pickings somewhere else.

Entropy.4732:

titanlectro.5029:

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Every server gets double teamed!

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NSP and HoD have double teamed GoM. GoM and NSP have double teamed HoD. GoM and HoD have double teamed NSP. If you cannot remember all of this happening, then you either don’t pay attention or your memory sucks.

The difference between a wining team and a losing team is this: How do you handle being double teamed?

I understand that it sucks when you cannot win because you are being double teamed. You can come to the forums and yell at people for their “shameful” actions. Or you can fight to the last man to slow them down. The double team will shift again soon enough.

Completely disagree. My lovely and noble server NSP is not upset because we were accidentally double teamed. That happens from time to time naturally. We’re rightly outraged because this was a PLANNED double-team where GoM and HoD commanders were specifically telling their troops NOT to attack each other, where GoM and HoD where HANGING OUT next to each other and camping our spawn point. Not only is this completely unethical and dishonorable, it also breaks the game’s intentions for WvW. I used to think GoM and HoD were decent servers with good people. It was a relief not to fight AR. But now? I’ve lost all respect for GoM and HoD. Here at NSP we value a good clean fight. Our commanders would never do anything so low. I call on those decent, honorable players in HoD and GoM, of which I know there are many, to speak out against this kind of behavior in your player base. You can still save your reputations by getting it together and playing the game as it was intended. It’s up to the good, honest commanders on GoM and HoD to make sure this doesn’t happen again or the stain of this knavish dishonor will follow you around through whatever tiers you’re in.

This attached pic was when I logged on last night and saw the shameful situation.

I wasn’t there, so I cant comment on the “joint spawn camping.”

If you really think that a server’s community can actually control everyone on that server, then would you please take care of the PAXA and Os forum warriors, thanks much.

Entropy.4732:

titanlectro.5029:

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Every server gets double teamed!

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NSP and HoD have double teamed GoM. GoM and NSP have double teamed HoD. GoM and HoD have double teamed NSP. If you cannot remember all of this happening, then you either don’t pay attention or your memory sucks.

The difference between a wining team and a losing team is this: How do you handle being double teamed?

I understand that it sucks when you cannot win because you are being double teamed. You can come to the forums and yell at people for their “shameful” actions. Or you can fight to the last man to slow them down. The double team will shift again soon enough.

Completely disagree. My lovely and noble server NSP is not upset because we were accidentally double teamed. That happens from time to time naturally. We’re rightly outraged because this was a PLANNED double-team where GoM and HoD commanders were specifically telling their troops NOT to attack each other, where GoM and HoD where HANGING OUT next to each other and camping our spawn point. Not only is this completely unethical and dishonorable, it also breaks the game’s intentions for WvW. I used to think GoM and HoD were decent servers with good people. It was a relief not to fight AR. But now? I’ve lost all respect for GoM and HoD. Here at NSP we value a good clean fight. Our commanders would never do anything so low. I call on those decent, honorable players in HoD and GoM, of which I know there are many, to speak out against this kind of behavior in your player base. You can still save your reputations by getting it together and playing the game as it was intended. It’s up to the good, honest commanders on GoM and HoD to make sure this doesn’t happen again or the stain of this knavish dishonor will follow you around through whatever tiers you’re in.

This attached pic was when I logged on last night and saw the shameful situation.

Exactly, said better than I ever could. Accidental/Situation double teaming is an accepted fact, sure NSP/GoM/HoD all complain about being double teamed, but show me one NSP player that will come to the WvW forums and apologise for their server’s behaviour when their own commander are shouting at them and telling them NOT* to attack the enemy.

Azaruil.3406:

Instead of crying about it, perhaps you guys should have done something about it.

Pull all your troops out of EB and move them to a different borderland. If there had been no one to spawn camp, they would have most likely fought each other which would have meant that large portions of GoM and HoD would have been occupied with each other in EB.

The large influx of players on a BL would have meant that you could regain all the lost points of EB quite quickly. So next time, take advantage of a situation that would force your enemies to fight each other, while you can go off for easy pickings somewhere else.

Agreed that would have perhaps been a better strategy. But are you honestly defending openly, this sort of cary-on?

JKFlipFlop.7123:

As a GoM player that usually spends my time in the BLs rather than EB, I can not comment on the specifics of what happened in EB last night, but I definitely frown upon any pre-meditated truce between GoM and HoD. I am sorry that NSP had to deal with that last night.

Thank you sir.

We were taking everything in GoM BL and then this happens. Oh and we can get in every map except for GoM BL. GG

Spets the MilkBandit.9031:

Azaruil.3406:

Instead of crying about it, perhaps you guys should have done something about it.

Pull all your troops out of EB and move them to a different borderland. If there had been no one to spawn camp, they would have most likely fought each other which would have meant that large portions of GoM and HoD would have been occupied with each other in EB.

The large influx of players on a BL would have meant that you could regain all the lost points of EB quite quickly. So next time, take advantage of a situation that would force your enemies to fight each other, while you can go off for easy pickings somewhere else.

Agreed that would have perhaps been a better strategy. But are you honestly defending openly, this sort of cary-on?

I do not know the details of what happened and it does not matter to me, as there will always be situations that one finds poopy and that are out of our control. I rather focus on how to make best of the situation.

Before the server transfers, do you NSP and GOM guys remember how many times you hit our EB at the same time? And did we kitten about it all day long? No. We played the game and made the best of it and now that we’re winning you guys are just kittening 24/7 now.
And what’s this about being noble and having honor? If you guys had any of those things others would see it instead of needing you to go on the forums and mentioning that and trying to get recruits every other statement.

BlazeQ.1095:

I had a blast in NSP BL last night, Props to MEND for holding Hills all night long. Great dedication!

Thanks for throwing this refreshing tidbit in among all the negative posts, you guys made a lot of inventive attempts to take us out, it was a lot of fun to fight against you.
I particularly liked when you managed to have 25+ at the north and south gate, that got pretty intense as I ran back and forth between the two!

Thank you NSP for giving us such a great fight, hope to see many of you on the field again soon!

(Also a note, we killed all GoM in our sights)

Oh boy even MORE transfers to HOD cause they didn’t has enough already

And yes NSP did hit HOD early last night and they hit us…HOD at our hills for who knows how long and we had captured HOD bay for a while

Linanthony.1809:

Before the server transfers, do you NSP and GOM guys remember how many times you hit our EB at the same time? And did we kitten about it all day long? No. We played the game and made the best of it and now that we’re winning you guys are just kittening 24/7 now.
And what’s this about being noble and having honor? If you guys had any of those things others would see it instead of needing you to go on the forums and mentioning that and trying to get recruits every other statement.

I actually only really see HoD players complaining about your “winning.”

Maybe you should address why your server is publicly complaining, before complaining about our server complaining about your server.

dunnberry.2964:

And yes NSP did hit HOD early last night and they hit us…HOD at our hills for who knows how long and we had captured HOD bay for a while

You guys were one heck of a pain to dislodge from Bay. Nice job on holding it for so long.

Entropy.4732:

titanlectro.5029:

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Every server gets double teamed!

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Words.

Completely disagree. My lovely and noble server NSP is not upset because we were accidentally double teamed. That happens from time to time naturally. We’re rightly outraged because this was a PLANNED double-team where GoM and HoD commanders were specifically telling their troops NOT to attack each other, where GoM and HoD where HANGING OUT next to each other and camping our spawn point. Not only is this completely unethical and dishonorable, it also breaks the game’s intentions for WvW. I used to think GoM and HoD were decent servers with good people. It was a relief not to fight AR. But now? I’ve lost all respect for GoM and HoD. Here at NSP we value a good clean fight. Our commanders would never do anything so low. I call on those decent, honorable players in HoD and GoM, of which I know there are many, to speak out against this kind of behavior in your player base. You can still save your reputations by getting it together and playing the game as it was intended. It’s up to the good, honest commanders on GoM and HoD to make sure this doesn’t happen again or the stain of this knavish dishonor will follow you around through whatever tiers you’re in.

This attached pic was when I logged on last night and saw the shameful situation.

Are we playing a video game, or did Israel and Palestine get to beefing over the Gaza Strip again my dude? You sound like Yasser Arafat.

JKFlipFlop.7123:

Is it just me or did Os grow exponentially. You guys will not leave our BL. Great dedication and good fights! Also, props to your Ele commander that has like rank 20+, thats pretty incredible. And as always, a load of fun fighting XOXO. Sorry that our 2 duels got interrupted Dank. Maybe next time =p

Actually, no we have not.

We have about the same numbers as usual 20-30 reset night peeps. It just looks like more because we usually have a good portion dispersed throughout the nsp map defending. Here we only had to hold a few places and you could see all of us in one spot.

:) glorious isn’t it?

I am also said Ele commander. Working hard for my money.

While I don’t know anything about the double teaming, (I usually stick to our BL) I think it was probably a response to the perceived double teaming GoM received the Thursday before reset. When we desperately held onto our keep as NSP lead the attack and HoD spawn camped us. Although, I really don’t understand the rational behind anything in EB so, blah blah blah my opinion…

Guys this is getting a little out of hand. Let’s keep some things in mind shall we?

A) This is just a game. How WvW goes is not going to help you get the girl, not going to get you a job, not going to feed your families. It’s ridiculous to take this so seriously. Just have fun yes?

B) Any one side is going to be double teamed. What do you expect? Everyone to attack the server to their left and just go in a circle? Grow up a bit please. I’m always on BL defense and I can list the times we’ve had to defend against breakouts from both opposing servers. It sucks, but it happens.

I haven’t been on so far this week, nor was I on much last week, but I do keep up to date on what goes on at least on our end. I can state with moderate certainty that it was not a planned “double team” on NSP. I logged in for a bit to try out the new no culling patch and we were defending a tower from GoM, so apparently those two zergs didn’t know about this team-up.

Life is a lot more fun when you stop trying to see the evil in everything and everyone.

Toble.2968:

JKFlipFlop.7123:

Is it just me or did Os grow exponentially. You guys will not leave our BL. Great dedication and good fights! Also, props to your Ele commander that has like rank 20+, thats pretty incredible. And as always, a load of fun fighting XOXO. Sorry that our 2 duels got interrupted Dank. Maybe next time =p

Actually, no we have not.

We have about the same numbers as usual 20-30 reset night peeps. It just looks like more because we usually have a good portion dispersed throughout the nsp map defending. Here we only had to hold a few places and you could see all of us in one spot.

:) glorious isn’t it?

I am also said Ele commander. Working hard for my money.

Ahh, that is you. Now I can put a name to a face. I’ll expect you to have a new title when I see you out and about tonight =p.

Spets the MilkBandit.9031:

obastable.5231:

being on hod, i can confirm that you are deliberately being double teamed. my hubby has a stash of screenies of various commanders telling people to stop attacking gom because we are apparently working together.

<- this persons guild does not approve of the situation

Please contact me in-game. I would like to have those screenshots please.
The ONLY way for HoD and GoM to reclaim their merit is to name and shame those commanders which did this.

And GoM please consider the following. you team up with the winning server, higher pop server, which is already on its way to t6… leaving you behind in t7…with us… and i can promise you. It will not be fun for you.

I agree, either post it or it didn’t happen. Quite easy to make up stories like this.

Anyway, I also don’t think it’s a problem to double team a server in the lead. Even if it’s set up. If two teams are losing and another one is winning, then it makes perfect sense. Just look at tier 8. ET and FC should double team on SF. Although I don’t think it’s a shame for this situation, I think it’s not needed at all in T7 after the transfers HoD got.

Currently, if anyone asked me not to attack GoM for an alliance, I would go out of my way to break that and I would keep attacking GoM. It makes no sense for me and I would not agree to it.

But anyway, pics or didn’t happen. So nothing changes.

On a side note, after the reset NSP had a great defense in our BL holding DB for a long time. At some point, I decided to focus only in capping arah and greenvale to cut their supply. I would not let any dolyaks through. Once, a very interesting situation happened. I had just taken greenvale by myself and was about to leave to get a dolyak that had left for DB. When I get outside, there is a GoM thief. Since my main interest is to kill the yak, I see if I can kill the yak while taking his damage. When I notice, he is also attacking the yak. After we kill him, I’m happy he was not trouble so I just wave to him and he leaves. So I also did some double teaming with GoM.

WhiteRose.6934:

I can state with moderate certainty that it was not a planned “double team” on NSP. I logged in for a bit to try out the new no culling patch and we were defending a tower from GoM, so apparently those two zergs didn’t know about this team-up.

Please see the screenshots posted of HoD and GoM zergs standing next to each other not attacking, and a player from HoD posting here that he/she is ashamed from their own server.

Highlie.7641:

Just figured i would pop in and thank OS for the night of death and carnage last night on our borderlands. Keep it up. borderlands gets kinda of stale sometimes. and E. bg is a bit to siege orientated for me. hm got 3 screen shots of OS attack on a tower. these are a panoramic of the battle (graphics have been turned off, [my computer is old])

hm pic 3 should be where pic 2 is.

Much thanks to you guys as well, it was a lot of fun last night. We had same numbers as usual just usually we have more people in our bl. This match up has odd hours,but seems to be pretty even I hope that stays that way.

dunnberry.2964:

And yes NSP did hit HOD early last night and they hit us…HOD at our hills for who knows how long and we had captured HOD bay for a while

Great job! You guys were really tough.

Just as an aside… It’s scraps and arguments like this thread that build server pride. I can notice myself becoming more and more attached to HoD as the weeks go by.

Flappybob.1950:

BlazeQ.1095:

I had a blast in NSP BL last night, Props to MEND for holding Hills all night long. Great dedication!

Thanks for throwing this refreshing tidbit in among all the negative posts, you guys made a lot of inventive attempts to take us out, it was a lot of fun to fight against you.
I particularly liked when you managed to have 25+ at the north and south gate, that got pretty intense as I ran back and forth between the two!

Thank you NSP for giving us such a great fight, hope to see many of you on the field again soon!

(Also a note, we killed all GoM in our sights)

I have high respect for [Mend]. This is not our first encounter with [Mend], I tried everything I could think of to break you from hills.. Our guild eventually got called to help an ally. But oneday [Mend] we will break you from a tower/keep… It’s a goal for our guild. As we haven’t played against other big guilds that defend.

Shiver.5903:

Spets the MilkBandit.9031:

obastable.5231:

being on hod, i can confirm that you are deliberately being double teamed. my hubby has a stash of screenies of various commanders telling people to stop attacking gom because we are apparently working together.

<- this persons guild does not approve of the situation

And GoM please consider the following. you team up with the winning server, higher pop server, which is already on its way to t6… leaving you behind in t7…with us… and i can promise you. It will not be fun for you.

Hey Spets, just wanna point out at reset and for 4-5 hours after, NSP had a 40-50 man organized in GoM BL, locking down East side of the map (btw nice job OS, plenty of epics battles there). In the end we did not understand why NSP would stay there while they were missing a lot in their own BL (south+hills), did not pressure HoD’s BL from what I saw, etc.

Check Calisto’s screen-shot above, it’s exactly what I’m talking about. If you think HoD is the strong team now, you might as well fight them if you want a shot at 1st place.

Anyways good fights! Fun reset night.
Note: Lots of guilds at N-A primetime I know continue to play for 1st, that is the only way we love to play this game.

Was in HoD BL for most of the night hitting their bay. Even with 20 of us they had double that. We eventually left when our keep was getting hit hard in EB. We for the first time I could remember had presence in every map. Not a large one but a presence none the less. So to be fair, it may have felt like we were only hitting GoM, but that was not the case. We just didn’t have the manpower to do much more than take the south camps and towers.

Spets the MilkBandit.9031:

WhiteRose.6934:

I can state with moderate certainty that it was not a planned “double team” on NSP. I logged in for a bit to try out the new no culling patch and we were defending a tower from GoM, so apparently those two zergs didn’t know about this team-up.

Please see the screenshots posted of HoD and GoM zergs standing next to each other not attacking, and a player from HoD posting here that he/she is ashamed from their own server.

There isn’t much I can tell from the picture other than lots of red names. But I do see the post, and I stand by my statement that it was not planned, at the very least not by the majority. I’ll throw some other thoughts at you.

A) Why blame the server in it’s entirety for actions of a few? I myself was caught in this same spot one time. Members of a server used an exploit to take a keep, and I went on a tirade saying how the entire server was to blame. Is that right? No. There are both good and bad people on the servers, a small sample does not represent the total. As a side note, we’ve had more than our share of transfers lately, I wouldn’t be surprised if we had some people coming in simply to ruin the reputation of the server. As I said, both good and bad people everywhere.

B) It’s war. It’s a game. If the perceived best course of action for two sides mutual gain is to team up, then that’s going to happen. As I said, when I did log in we were fighting GoM, so obviously we weren’t just ignoring each other as you claim.

I see your frustration and understand it, but it’s foolish and childish to create such drama over this. The majority of people I’ve met in gw2 are grown adults, please act like it.

And move on for goodness sake.

I’m trying to understand all the kittening about HoD’s transfers and I still can’t. HoD has been obscenely outnumbered for the longest time, probably about 3:1 population wise. If these transfers have done anything for us, it hasn’t been to propel our server population to way above either GoM or NSP’s but helped equalize it.

No HOD now has much more population than NSP or GOM, before the match was very close all weekend not a 9k point lead for HOD going into Saturday along with being able to field 40-50 man zergs on at least 3 maps

HoD has a large And talented WvW crew. We are still a HIGH server. NSP and GOM are both VERY HIGH servers. In theory, you two could still be winning.

WhiteRose.6934:

Spets the MilkBandit.9031:

WhiteRose.6934:

I can state with moderate certainty that it was not a planned “double team” on NSP. I logged in for a bit to try out the new no culling patch and we were defending a tower from GoM, so apparently those two zergs didn’t know about this team-up.

Please see the screenshots posted of HoD and GoM zergs standing next to each other not attacking, and a player from HoD posting here that he/she is ashamed from their own server.

There isn’t much I can tell from the picture other than lots of red names. But I do see the post, and I stand by my statement that it was not planned, at the very least not by the majority. I’ll throw some other thoughts at you.

A) Why blame the server in it’s entirety for actions of a few? I myself was caught in this same spot one time. Members of a server used an exploit to take a keep, and I went on a tirade saying how the entire server was to blame. Is that right? No. There are both good and bad people on the servers, a small sample does not represent the total. As a side note, we’ve had more than our share of transfers lately, I wouldn’t be surprised if we had some people coming in simply to ruin the reputation of the server. As I said, both good and bad people everywhere.

B) It’s war. It’s a game. If the perceived best course of action for two sides mutual gain is to team up, then that’s going to happen. As I said, when I did log in we were fighting GoM, so obviously we weren’t just ignoring each other as you claim.

I see your frustration and understand it, but it’s foolish and childish to create such drama over this. The majority of people I’ve met in gw2 are grown adults, please act like it.

And move on for goodness sake.

I do agree that it was the actions of a few (if not one) that lead to these unfortunate events. But i also understand that WvWvW has 3 sides for a reason. and that is so that you constantly have to watch your back. Not stand idly by with an enemy server in another enemy server’s spawn.
When i logged on myself i did not see any of the teaming up going on to such an extent, but then again i slept for 6 hours, just because you didt not see it hapen does not mean it did not happen. But when 100’s of people (from all 3 servers) are saying that it happened, it most likely happened.

Hey i prefer to fight two servers, if you want to fight just one enemy team go sPvP

If double teaming makes the game no fun for you, don’t impose it on others.
If you complain about double-teaming, don’t ever do it to another server.
If you see double-teaming taking place, shame the commander for not trusting the server’s ability to actually take the objective on their own.

Only you can stop double-teaming

the guild that was in nsp’s bl wasn’t fielding 40-50 people. i think there was maybe 20 or so of them and a handful of tag-a-long players.

the giant “zerg” defending hod’s bl late in to the evening was also about 20-30 people at most, which is normal for our own bl – we have a dedicated crew that likes to keep it locked down.

eb is where you find most of the “guardians of denravi” alliance guilds en masse during reset night and weekends, and slightly less so during the rest of the week.

prior to the transfers, hod has successfully led & held a lead at/immediately after reset despite being significantly lower population than either of the other two servers in this tier. even after free transfers your servers are still more populated than ours.

Cereal?! Im no way promoting double teaming. But I can name multiple time where NSP has golem rushed SM the same time GoM golem rushed Overlook. I can honestly say this wasn’t planned because I personally know the GoM commander who led the Overlook raid. What really bothers me is when two High Population servers complain about HoD becoming a High population servers. We proved for two weeks we can hold the lead for a certain amount of days before the number game kicks in. The transfers filled in our missing time spots we could not fill and beefed up our prime time no doubt about that. But before the transfers we showed we could hold you guys just fine. Outnumbered for the majority of the day. I am in no way saying HoD players are better (Ive actually built my build around NSP and GoM players who I have made friends with) but we have had to learn to get better and adapt to usually being outnumbered or get down to T8 waves at SF any ways. Yes, the transfers helped us but it is also spring / easter break for a lot of people. So I say wait a week and see if that is the reason. Either way it is obvious HoD got a good amount of transfers and that beefed up our WvW to be able to hold / push the other servers more than we have been in the past. If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen. (sorry always wanted to say that) Tootles see you in WvW.

Spets the MilkBandit.9031:

obastable.5231:

being on hod, i can confirm that you are deliberately being double teamed. my hubby has a stash of screenies of various commanders telling people to stop attacking gom because we are apparently working together.

<- this persons guild does not approve of the situation

Please contact me in-game. I would like to have those screenshots please.
The ONLY way for HoD and GoM to reclaim their merit is to name and shame those commanders which did this.

And GoM please consider the following. you team up with the winning server, higher pop server, which is already on its way to t6… leaving you behind in t7…with us… and i can promise you. It will not be fun for you.

MIMIMI you are only not saying that in the first 3 hours of match you guys did exactly the same.

You are going to deny that in the first 3 hours both HoD and NSF only attacked the GoM side?(not kidding not even their supply camps was hit)

We had some moronic commander trying to PUSH while being double sided. I bashed him in map chat, and as 90% of the guys who have commander title he was a child and ragequitted.

At a point we owned only our keep while HoD was using trebs from Bravost.
NSP broke our front gate and was in the inner circle. We were outmannerd, i counted 30 ppl in the keep, and we still didn’t fall.

In fact for about 2 hours we hadn’t a commanders so we agreed in just taking what was in our side and upg it.( you can’t be picky when you have 30 players against 150 in each side.

We did and we blocked NSP at hyleaks/Quentin Post. In fact Quentin and our keep was the only things we spend money.(both in up and sieges to defend)

Because we hadn’t numbers to defend anything else. HoD kept hittind the other side, and we send groups to take it back. until the moment they stopped attacking us and after 10 mins a scout, we had players around the map to know what was happening, reported a mob of golems, he told that was about 25, was going to hit SM.

SM fell you guys begun to fight between themself and we got time to breath and upgrade our side, while having the outmanned buff all the time.

Gnassomething logged with the tag of commander and we decided to hit NSP camp and make your life a misery.

You guys were the only ones hitting us. HoD was busy defending SM and since we STILL with the outmanned buff we hadn’t nearly enough power to fight both sides.

Our upgrades were ended then we procced to capture Kl. and defend. Apparently HoD decided to do the same at the otherside. we kept doing it and eventualy captured jennifer. than we begun to treb your keep, not because we though we could take it but to, like i’ve said make your life the worse possible.

HoD eventually took your keep. Our scout reported they left it. We had trebbs at jennifer than we agreed “why not?” we rushed in and took your keep.

Then we noticed HoD spawn camping you guys.

I’ve said: “Dont attack HoD they aren’t attacking us” and the “truce” begun.

PPL say that was a trade and a PNA But the fact is: This whole time we were outmanned.
WHY i should attack who isn’t attacking me?

At a moment we were doing 95 points the crazy ppl who stood at the fight were no more than 50, and we eventually grew at the point of doing 275 points per tick, while being outmanned.

My major goal and the goal that i’ve made clear to ppl who were there was:
For some reason we don’t have players right now. Let’s do the largest amount of point possible, later ppl will log in and think we still in the fight.

We managed to do so.

NSP was raiding our side with your guild doing the flanking strike, yes we knew that were your guild the guys flanking us by the way nice tactic, While HoD was too busy defending/attacking SM.

Why we should attack them?

That’s the difference between pvp players and W3 players. We weren’t there to kill ppl. We were there to try to win the W3, if it isn’t a choice, to do the best possible.

Was clear for us we didn’t have the numbers to go fight, so we defend and took the opportunity when it showed up.

The opportunity was HoD not attacking us and you guys busy with them.

W3 it’s not about the amount of ppl you kill. Is about the amount of points the SERVER do. If the best and probably the unique way to do so is a “truce” with HoD who i’m to complain?

PS: It makes me wonder, if you guys were actually hitting HoD how you guys didn’t seen 25 golems being build, it’s not something you can build in 5 min. Accept that you guys made the same, we did better.

Here is a video of us being useless, its just for fun hope u enjoy. Its a keep take we didn’t plan on getting — never got in the end but was funny.

I’ve got to say I find all the QQ pretty silly. Ride the Glicko train on the slow decent from #1 to #21, then tell me what its like to get pounded on. No one cried HoD any rivers through being woefully out manned (and I don’t think many even asked for much sympathy) and we’re not going to apologize for our new found forces, be they local or transfers (at least I’m not going to). Losing is no fun, trust me i remember quite clearly, but it is what it is.

Divinorium.8952:

Spets the MilkBandit.9031:

obastable.5231:

being on hod, i can confirm that you are deliberately being double teamed. my hubby has a stash of screenies of various commanders telling people to stop attacking gom because we are apparently working together.

<- this persons guild does not approve of the situation

Please contact me in-game. I would like to have those screenshots please.
The ONLY way for HoD and GoM to reclaim their merit is to name and shame those commanders which did this.

And GoM please consider the following. you team up with the winning server, higher pop server, which is already on its way to t6… leaving you behind in t7…with us… and i can promise you. It will not be fun for you.

MIMIMI you are only not saying that in the first 3 hours of match you guys did exactly the same.

You are going to deny that in the first 3 hours both HoD and NSF only attacked the GoM side?(not kidding not even their supply camps was hit)

yes, im actually coding the video from last night right now shows us running between WC and QL the whole time And us eventually taking anz and if im not mistaken mendons? or that could have been this morning, i forget :/ And thank you very much for the tactic compliment.

And just to be clear. Good for HoD for getting the transfers! I could care less about them zerging with 80 players, i just don’t like the teaming up that we’ve been hearing about all morning. But hey, i’ve calmed down and taken it as a compliment, 2v1=automatic win no matter what the score is XD

Just wanted to put my 2 cents in here. I started this game about a month ago been 80 for about 3 weeks and have spent most of my time in WvW on GoM. During the times i play which is normaly 4pm cst to 9pm cst mon-fri and 4pm-w/e Sat and Sun the battles have been fairly even unil this transfer thing started. From “MY” PoV either alot of people from GoM transferred or HoD got a massive influx of people its looking like we have an uphill battle for the foreseeable future

Spets the MilkBandit.9031:

Divinorium.8952:

Spets the MilkBandit.9031:

obastable.5231:

being on hod, i can confirm that you are deliberately being double teamed. my hubby has a stash of screenies of various commanders telling people to stop attacking gom because we are apparently working together.

<- this persons guild does not approve of the situation

Please contact me in-game. I would like to have those screenshots please.
The ONLY way for HoD and GoM to reclaim their merit is to name and shame those commanders which did this.

And GoM please consider the following. you team up with the winning server, higher pop server, which is already on its way to t6… leaving you behind in t7…with us… and i can promise you. It will not be fun for you.

MIMIMI you are only not saying that in the first 3 hours of match you guys did exactly the same.

You are going to deny that in the first 3 hours both HoD and NSF only attacked the GoM side?(not kidding not even their supply camps was hit)

yes, im actually coding the video from last night right now shows us running between WC and QL the whole time And us eventually taking anz and if im not mistaken mendons? or that could have been this morning, i forget :/ And thank you very much for the tactic compliment.

And just to be clear. Good for HoD for getting the transfers! I could care less about them zerging with 80 players, i just don’t like the teaming up that we’ve been hearing about all morning. But hey, i’ve calmed down and taken it as a compliment, 2v1=automatic win no matter what the score is XD

This morning.
You guys weren’t attacking HoD at a point that you left them build 10+ golems, we have report of 25 like i’ve said.

That’s “at least” 1000 supplies. A full camp can hold 250 supplies if maxed and generate 10 supplies every 30 secs. Let’s say they had 2 camps maxed and used supplies from both. It means 1000 – 500 supplies = 500/10 (amount of times the camp need to generate) 50/2(one minute = 2 ticks in supplies) 25/2( 2 camps) = 12,5 minutes.

But they hadn’t 2 camps maxed because you guys were attacking them right? so it would take 20 mins + just to build the golems.

So you guys left them without being touched for AT LEAST 12 min. Because you guys didn’t seen the golems being build.

Yeah… sure you guys were putting a hell of effort hitting HoD. We were doubleteamed and didn’t lose our keep you guys did. deal with it.

Edit: Just explainning/fixing the math