Guild Wars 2

Well, there used to be an “unoffical” costume brawl group near the Tengu Gate of Lions Arch. They had their own “honorable” and organised rules such as having to /dance before starting the costume brawl fight. If you would join in the fight without obeying their rules, they would call you with funny names and all concentrate on you. Clear violation of ToS. So, I reported their ill behavior and also made a mile long analysis about them into these offical forums. I am not sure what happent to them but I haven’t seen them since. I assume that they finally realised it’s not acceptable to come with your own idea of fun.

By the way, thanks for bringing up this important issue about dueling.

Heaven (or the mists, whatever.. ;p) forbid that players would actually want some real pvp.
Anet touted this game stating they wanted a game that would work in the esports scene, then did the idiotic thing of not giving anyone anywhere to duel, or even arenas.
Players tried doing this in spvp & ended up with a few cry babies butting in but plenty enjoyed the duels & would join in.

So, the players found a safe place, behind the mill where they aren`t flipping camps, abusing siege, running in pathetic zergs etc & you want to complain?

Sheesh!

You learnt, you ran in, you got trounced.
Now you know to either stay clear or perhaps, you know, actually step up & join in with some duels.

who knows, you may actually have fun, in a game ;pW

to me all u sound like is a little cry baby that tryed to get free kills and got sat down for it. learn to get kills for actually doing the work not takeing credit for someone elses kill

Wow, how to make an issue out of practically nothing. There’s no problem here, even if a player happens to accidently interrupt a duel people usually are kind enough to ask them to stop atleast 3 times. If the person in question doesn’t listen, he will get downed and eventually stomped if he continues interrupting.

If you hate dueling, interrupt them all you want, but expect to get killed. There’s nothing against the rules or ToS here.

I agree the game could really use some kind of arena or GvG feature. I would actually love to duel people there, players from other servers or my own. It would be great being able to fight guildmates using my WvW build rather than some spvp one, because the options there are quite limited, plus I’m used to how balance works in WvW.

I’m sorry to those that like “fight club” (which wasn’t all that great of a movie anyways), but you’re wrong in what you do and it is somewhat against A.Net’s rules/policies of conduct.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-conduct-breaches-outcomes/

Engaging in PvP match manipulation, disrupting a PvP match by not actively playing in good faith, or any other form of PvP griefing, exploitation, or abuse

Okay, so you’re not manipulating scores because you’re not exchanging kills or spiking. That’s not the issue.

The issue is that you’re not actively playing in good faith the real designed participation of WORLD VS WORLD VS WORLD (i.e. SERVER vs SERVER vs SERVER). The designed aim of this content is not 1-vs-1 ‘duels’, but active participation with your server to engage and defeat the other server through combat and map control. Also note that these duels do happen during long queues (I’ve personally seen it many times) and that itself is an interruption of the other player’s fun for your server who want to participate in real WvWvW and cannot, or those that want their guildmates into the server, but cannot due to duelists taking up slots.

The last thing to look at is exploitation, which you many not realize that you’re doing. How? You’re communicating with other members of the other servers though Guild Chat (or sometimes party chat, where you can actively invite someone from the other server to your party..they need to fix that). It’s not too bad just to communicate, but when you’re talking to them about stomping “interrupters” and killing people that are messing up your ‘duels’ while you actively communicate to them that you’ll not interfere with them doing that stomping…..that is exploitation. That is something that can and should get you suspended and ultimately banned from the game.

Additional Note: sPvP is built around dueling. I’m sorry if you feel that “it’s not the same because I cannot do X build because no stats like WvW”, but it is far more balanced and set properly for that content. In about a month or two, custom arenas will be open to EVERYONE equally and thus you’ll be able to set up your own personalized guild duels there away from other people’s content.

first off my wvw server has a small wvw population so no borderland or eb ever has a que so ur point there is just invalid so its takeing up no space for anyone. point is u interrupt a duel that everyone is enjoy watching cuz u want a free and easy stomp for a kill then u deserve to be stomped just cuz ur that desperate for a kill u need to steal it from a duel

@Siphaed

So, let me ask you this. That PvE player going around collecting all the vistas/POIs/skillpoints, is he breaching A-Nets rules/policies? He’s in a WvW zone, yet he is not actively contributing to the match. If I’m killing monsters, collecting materials and other stuff for longer periods of time, will I need to worry about getting suspended? It would make as much sense for these cases as it would be for duels. Plus I’m pretty sure that those rules are aimed at spvp, not WvW. It’s open world PVP, everyone is free to do what they like as long as they’re not disturbing other people.

I agree it would be better to avoid dueling at primetime, but any players your server will be missing the enemy will be missing as well, because both sides usually have equal numbers. I don’t see why they would have less right to play WvW than anyone else. So you have maybe 10 less people PvDing that gate, does it matter?

I have a real simple rule when I see a 1v1, if no one is around watching it, while im out roaming. I will dive in and help my server mate up until the opponent is in downed state or hes says stop. I then let him spike the potential ganker, or if it was a duel he can let the person revive and I can say “im sorry” or /cry and be on my way. And if it was a good duel it just resets the fight no harm really done.

The above applies to most areas of WvW, The windmill is a different story. I never go over to the windmill area unless I intend to duel, there really never is any reason to be over there otherwise. its just an open area.

and spvp is built around dueling? ur a joke i went into spvp so many times to duel and had like 5+ ppl come interupt it cuz they can just hop into the server and wat makes u think i want to waste my rl money and ign gold on gems to rent out an arena for duels

Dueling is fine, whats not fine is the little kittens crying about it in game when you kill their duel opponent.

The kittens mew worse than the op in this thread as if they have a right to an uninterrupted duel in wvw map.

Red=Dead, I don’t care if you duel , GvG, or wander around naked getting POI’s, I’m gonna try and kill you. Seriously do whatever floats your boat, but don’t cry on the forums if someone comes in and “ruins your duel or fight club”. Its a PvP zone, the only rules I follow are :kill my enemies, try not to rub it in if I kill you.

then get prepared to get sat down by the rest of the duelers and dont cry about it on the forums and idc if they ruin it cuz ill just crush u into the ground like i do with every noob that trys to interupt my fights and this noob is the only one crying for getting stomped for rupting a duel

JamboHammer.4397:

then get prepared to get sat down by the rest of the duelers and dont cry about it on the forums and idc if they ruin it cuz ill just crush u into the ground like i do with every noob that trys to interupt my fights and this noob is the only one crying for getting stomped for rupting a duel

Well, I’m sure that your “Internet Tough Guy” approach will make everyone pause before they get involved in a random fight. To clarify though, if you whine for any reason after getting killed in a PvP zone, and no legit hacking was involved, maybe PvP is not for you.

Siphaed.9235:

I’m sorry to those that like “fight club” (which wasn’t all that great of a movie anyways), but you’re wrong in what you do and it is somewhat against A.Net’s rules/policies of conduct.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-conduct-breaches-outcomes/

Engaging in PvP match manipulation, disrupting a PvP match by not actively playing in good faith, or any other form of PvP griefing, exploitation, or abuse

Okay, so you’re not manipulating scores because you’re not exchanging kills or spiking. That’s not the issue.

The issue is that you’re not actively playing in good faith the real designed participation of WORLD VS WORLD VS WORLD (i.e. SERVER vs SERVER vs SERVER). The designed aim of this content is not 1-vs-1 ‘duels’, but active participation with your server to engage and defeat the other server through combat and map control. Also note that these duels do happen during long queues (I’ve personally seen it many times) and that itself is an interruption of the other player’s fun for your server who want to participate in real WvWvW and cannot, or those that want their guildmates into the server, but cannot due to duelists taking up slots.

The last thing to look at is exploitation, which you many not realize that you’re doing. How? You’re communicating with other members of the other servers though Guild Chat (or sometimes party chat, where you can actively invite someone from the other server to your party..they need to fix that). It’s not too bad just to communicate, but when you’re talking to them about stomping “interrupters” and killing people that are messing up your ‘duels’ while you actively communicate to them that you’ll not interfere with them doing that stomping…..that is exploitation. That is something that can and should get you suspended and ultimately banned from the game.

Additional Note: sPvP is built around dueling. I’m sorry if you feel that “it’s not the same because I cannot do X build because no stats like WvW”, but it is far more balanced and set properly for that content. In about a month or two, custom arenas will be open to EVERYONE equally and thus you’ll be able to set up your own personalized guild duels there away from other people’s content.

No kittens given, I will fight club if I want too. If you interrupt fight club I will spike you or have the enemy duelist spike you if you are on my server. Simple as that. Go back to zerging a point for that wexp.

lool philidpidies i havent been killed in wvw in a long time bud maybe u have cuz ur bad and all so u saying im whinning is just invalid and actually if ur on na ill 1v1 u right now to u prob cant even handle a 1v1 cuz u zerg to much spamming that auto attack huh

The OP sounds like the type that wants to ban everything and anything he does not like or do even if its has no effect on him. There have always been and always will be these types around, they make flimsy emotional claims about how an activity is bad/wrong but really all the want to do is stop others enjoyment or seek control. If they get their way they move to the next activity and try to stop others from doing that, over and over the cycle continues.

We must stand strong duelers and unite against the people like Itwasntme, they hate us for our freedom.

Anyway

Champions of armies fighting each other in single combat has a long rich history, does not seem out of place at all that people would duel in GW2 every MMO I have played had an elite bunch that constantly dueled.

JamboHammer.4397:

lool philidpidies i havent been killed in wvw in a long time bud maybe u have cuz ur bad and all so u saying im whinning is just invalid and actually if ur on na ill 1v1 u right now to u prob cant even handle a 1v1 cuz u zerg to much spamming that auto attack huh

Um…..OK? Wasn’t really calling you personally a whiner, just laughing at the obvious inflated sense of importance you give to a video game. Threatening people’s fake lives on the internet: The true measure of someones worth! Keep on owning those Noobs, bud, I’m sure you will feel much better about whatever it is that has you down.

This thread is funny. I was going to post something compassionate and helpful after reading the OP, but then I continued reading. Now I’m just going to continue drinking my coffee and shake my head in mild disbelief.

To the duellists: Remember to be polite at first if someone runs in all rambo-style trying to “save” their teammate. If they won’t respond in kind, and continue to be disruptive, kill them till they leave (there’s nothing in the ToS about your server-mates being required to defend you if you’re being a jerk). Might consider leaving the south camp alone too, when you leave the duelling area to engage in WvW objective capture it makes your presence on the map less tolerable to other servers.

When I was a kid, there was a park a block from my house which was mostly just an empty field, which the neighborhood kids would use to play various sport like games. Some of the crusty old folks would stop by from time to time to shake their canes at us and suggest in threatening tones that we should move our games to the park a mile away with the officially marked out fields for baseball/football/etc (which were often full of organized teams which we had no desire to participate in). Despite their rants, the field was not destroyed by our actions, nor did the authorities ever arrive to compel us to move to a more sanctioned space.

Perhaps it’s that I am now the crusty old person, but looking back in time, these situations strike me as similar.

Phillipidies.3204:

Red=Dead, I don’t care if you duel , GvG, or wander around naked getting POI’s, I’m gonna try and kill you. Seriously do whatever floats your boat, but don’t cry on the forums if someone comes in and “ruins your duel or fight club”. Its a PvP zone, the only rules I follow are :kill my enemies, try not to rub it in if I kill you.

Maybe it’s the excessive caffeine in my coffee (this stuff is primo, bro!!!!) but this gave me a vision of an old man with a cane running at a group of kids going “red is dead biiiiitches!!!!”.

( I get this point of view, I do. It’s part of what makes duelling in an open PvP zone fun, honestly. The last MMO I played, we had training/screwing-around PvP days in our guild where we’d go somewhere random and all kill each other. If/when the other guilds found us it was pretty fun, or even if some assassin decided to stealth rambo and we got the fun little mini-game of hunting the little punk. )

Jinks.2057:

So you decided to ruin Fight Club and got ran over for it

Now you are posting about it asking anet to punish those players who decided to use thier $60 they spent differently than you.

Shoulda just left it alone mate

That.

and15characters.

@ Thrashbarg: LOL

At least you get my point, if the duelers want to play their way that is A-OK with me. Just remember you are in an open zone and there are no rules as to who gets to attack who. Its the whining on both sides that I find ridiculous. This forum in general is full of blowhard e-toughs and “nerf it” Nellies. Oh well, that’s the internet for ya.

@itwasntme

Dude,

Hands down this game is FULL (90%) of the entire population that is mmo’in for the first time. Their version of player vs player is taking keeps/towers, sitting on arrowcarts/trebs, and dueling in fight clubs.
Our guild has zero mercy, zero carebear tolerance. We salute you for smoking anyone you see at fight clubs for they are the 90%’s form of “player vs player”.

Why do people worry so much about what someone tells them to do in WvW?
Do whatever you enjoy doing in WvW, express your opinions there.
What did you expect to happen by posting here?
If someone rages about you killing someone, just put them on ignore, or screenshot it and add it to a “collage of nerd ragers” and post that on the forum. Far more interesting.

If my roaming group finds a group of people dueling “the other 2 servers” we kill them. People on the other servers know me now, they run. I’m not here for esports or trophy’s this game is not played on LAN. It’s open and free and I suggest stomping all over peoples party’s

Hahaha, god forbid players actually did something sandboxy in this game! Why would Anet even have a “official response” for this? They do not care how people play WvW. They dont care if there are some unofficial rules about the windmill being a duel place and they dont care if a zerg runs over the duel place for the lols either.

Stop asking for permission from mum and dad for everything!

This thread….. I, I….. I don’t even…..

Stop killing my faith in humanity :/

Most companies welcome and encourage player driven content and activities. I have seen player driven scavenger hunts, races, even XvX tournaments for gold rewards with team buy in. For a company to discourage player driven content would be silly, its a game they developed and they want their costumers to enjoy their game.
Where else can you dual XvX in the game right now? I personally dont dual, but at the same time I don’t interrupt it either.

OP is Gandaran right? Guess I know where i’ll spend my time this week.

What is your problem with it?
1) TDS is the guild. Tyrian dueling society. Minor give away.
2) The windmill spot isn’t even a back route into the camp, it’s a stupidly long way around and goes far beyond the back entrance to the camp.
3) It’s nowhere near an objective, and a 1v1, what do you think they’re doing? Especially as it’s always the same spot.
4) If you think it’s ok to kill them, why is it not ok for you to be killed by them?

Hope you’re armour repair costs are extensive.

/signed… A TDS member.

Depends on when they are doing it. IF they are doing it during off hours when there is no ques they i could care less what they do. Whether 30 people what to duel or roleplay and talk the quagens on the temple of storms. IF they are doing it during prime time that is a different story, going to bring the zerg over to wipe them. Cant have them taking up que spots.

If players are “creating their own content” by having fight clubs that you and others don’t like, why not “create your own content” and form groups to go bust up the fight clubs. It’s WvW so why not? While you would not make friends you would accomplish your goal and your custom “content” would be fight club busters. Problem solved. People get to spar and you get your own form of content playing WvW police.

I don’t condone this because I don’t see a problem with sparing. I just thought I would toss that bone out there.

ItWasntMe.7102:

I returned to game after a couple months absence & ended up arguing with some of my fellow server players over something that a select group of players took the liberty of adding a “game within a game” & their rules trump Anets content & ToS. Finally, today I found out that there is some foolish “social rule” that I am expected to adhere to or else I am ridiculed , stomped, & labeled a trouble maker etc etc. I found out about this via~ https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Unofficial-Dueling-Area-in-WvW-Look/first.

So you seem to have a double standard. It’s an unwritten social rule, I suppose, to not interrupt a fight club, just as it’s an unwritten social rule to not ridicule stomp and otherwise humiliate a player doing nothing wrong. Right, neither of these things are against A-net’s terms of service, so yes, you are perfectly entitled to ruin a fight club. But then again, they are also perfectly entitled by the same logic to ridicule, stomp, and label you a troublemaker. Do you not agree?

I did not see any Anet reps enter that convo so I am asking “officially, do you condone this?”

No, they don’t. That’s why there isn’t an official dueling arena and we have fight clubs instead. However, we don’t like people crashing our fight clubs nor do we like people wrecking GvGs in the same area. So if you do so, prepare for some ridicule, stomps, and labeling as a troublemaker.

This seems to be a total conflict of interest as I encounter same Guild Tag dual servers dueling each other. I go running in on my way to camp thinking I am helping a member of my server (my graphics turned low) so don’t even realise they are same guild or w.e. til they start commanding I “STOP IT”.

How in the world would graphical quality affect the nameplates being shown?!?

How am I to know they won’t attack me when I try for the camp? etc etc. How is this promoting anything other than server misunderstandings & drama? Do you think I want to go help these players & their guild when they watched as their fellow guildmates on OPPOSING server took me out because I, with good TEAM intentions, didn’t know about their version of what WvW is?

Because obviously they’re not fighting at the camp…?

Please address this issue or let us know where you stand so we can decide for ourselves if we even want to deal with the chaos that arises from the potential misunderstandings & abuse that may come with it. Players “pretending” to watch a duel I run past (to avoid confrontation & ruin their lil fun) come wipe me out when I take the camp…. I honestly feel this divides a server if it continues to take place as “player created & ran”, but ultimately it is your decision & I will respect what you say.

Why are you running past in the area BEHIND the windmill anyways? You don’t need to run there to take the south BL camp, in fact you don’t even need to get close to it. And if you got wiped trying to take a supply camp, that sounds like regular wvw to me.

There is another aspect to consider, that “banning”, whether officially or unofficially (by zerging duels), even when the map is queued, may not actually help the server. In terms of points, in terms of objectives, in terms of tiers, it might actually be counter-productive.

Many people who duel are players who spend 90% of their time leading groups, scouting the enemy, solo-flipping camps, refreshing seige, and they sometimes need to take some time out for more casual fun. Duelers also tend to be highly skilled players (not all of them, sure, but generally speaking). If you want to discourage, or even ban, some of your most useful and important players from doing what they enjoy in their breaks, then you aren’t helping your server.

If I understand right, OP is a Gandaran having a go at some [JDGE] guys dueling. I don’t know who OP is, but I’m willing to bet he’s probably someone of no importance. On the other hand, [JDGE] are a very useful and appreciated guild in Gandara WvW. Guess which the server needs more?

People who usually crash our duels have no guild tag or have a guild tag I’ve never heard before. Those who accidentally crash duels and have a guild tag that we at the fight club recognize usually stop after the FIRST time we say “STOP” or once the enemy runs away and the ally stops attacking they are smart enough to realize for themselves that they’re doing something horribly wrong.

Those who repeatedly crash duels, yes, they usually do not have tags.

Those who PARTICIPATE in the dueling, now…well to tell you my own observations from maybe 10-20 times at the duel arena much of them are of our respective servers’ roaming or otherwise dedicated WvW guilds. Of course, this is only my personal observation and cannot be used as a general statistical measurement.

I would much rather keep the duelists who don’t spend all their time dueling, believe it or not, than the no names who interrupt. On top of this, I have 20k wvw kills, and not a single one is from dueling, because we do not stomp in duels. Guess which most people would like to have more?

No need to ban.

Ragnar.4257:

If I understand right, OP is a Gandaran having a go at some [JDGE] guys dueling. I don’t know who OP is, but I’m willing to bet he’s probably someone of no importance.

This is exactly the type of arrogance that isn’t needed in the game. And, if there is a queue, duelers need to take it sPvP. I know this really doesn’t exists on my Tier. I’d make certain they were Zerg Rolled for taking up the queue.

DeWolfe.2174:

Ragnar.4257:

If I understand right, OP is a Gandaran having a go at some [JDGE] guys dueling. I don’t know who OP is, but I’m willing to bet he’s probably someone of no importance.

This is exactly the type of arrogance that isn’t needed in the game. And, if there is a queue, duelers need to take it sPvP. I know this really doesn’t exists on my Tier. I’d make certain they were Zerg Rolled for taking up the queue.

sPvP isn’t for dueling and if there’s a que, go to another map. You get the same PPT difference from taking something in one map as any other. If you really need a full que size in one map to get a big enough zerg to do anything, it’s rather sad.

DeWolfe.2174:

Ragnar.4257:

If I understand right, OP is a Gandaran having a go at some [JDGE] guys dueling. I don’t know who OP is, but I’m willing to bet he’s probably someone of no importance.

This is exactly the type of arrogance that isn’t needed in the game. And, if there is a queue, duelers need to take it sPvP. I know this really doesn’t exists on my Tier. I’d make certain they were Zerg Rolled for taking up the queue.

Please, the effect of dueling to the manpower of a server is mariginal. Here is why:
duelers don’t want to play in a queued map because they want everyone to be able to join and they also like to swap toons every now and then. In addition, queued maps often have lots of skill lag which makes duelists either leave or change map.

I’d make certain they were Zerg Rolled for taking up the queue.

In that’s the case, you might wanna start zerg rolling the EB jumping puzzle…

At least you get my point, if the duelers want to play their way that is A-OK with me. Just remember you are in an open zone and there are no rules as to who gets to attack who. Its the whining on both sides that I find ridiculous. This forum in general is full of blowhard e-toughs and “nerf it” Nellies. Oh well, that’s the internet for ya.

If you wanna distrubt a fight club, then by all means, you can try. Just be prepared that some of your own server mates might not look highly upon you after that*, and that during the fight some of them will side with the other clubbers instead of you.
But! In the end the random trouble makers make open world dueling exciting! It’s often a nice diversion / drama when some fools come to screw around. :P

*Trouble maker is a trouble maker. In my eyes you might as well be doing siege cap griefing, wasting keep supplies or just flooding the chat.

DeWolfe.2174:

Ragnar.4257:

If I understand right, OP is a Gandaran having a go at some [JDGE] guys dueling. I don’t know who OP is, but I’m willing to bet he’s probably someone of no importance.

This is exactly the type of arrogance that isn’t needed in the game. And, if there is a queue, duelers need to take it sPvP. I know this really doesn’t exists on my Tier. I’d make certain they were Zerg Rolled for taking up the queue.

Arrogant, maybe. But wrong? I don’t think it’s arrogant to admit that some people have more influence on a server’s performance than others. There are scores of people I would consider to be more useful to my server than I am, just as there are people who are less influential than me.

And lets not forget the arrogance of insisting others shouldn’t be allowed to duel.

DeWolfe.2174:

Ragnar.4257:

If I understand right, OP is a Gandaran having a go at some [JDGE] guys dueling. I don’t know who OP is, but I’m willing to bet he’s probably someone of no importance.

This is exactly the type of arrogance that isn’t needed in the game. And, if there is a queue, duelers need to take it sPvP. I know this really doesn’t exists on my Tier. I’d make certain they were Zerg Rolled for taking up the queue.

The type of arrogance that isn’t needed is others trying to dictate how another person should play the game.

The stupidity of this argument is ridiculous.

I have 1000’s of hours in wvw. I have probably capped that south supply over 500 times (maybe more) you know how many of those times I needed to get close to the windmill to do it?

You guessed it 0.

Its not even remotely close to the supply camp. theres no strategical value in running past it. Its out of the way.

So why were you there than?

I suspect you are there because you have taken it upon your self to judge how others should be playing a game they paid money for just like you. You think its wrong, so you decide i’m going to trash their fun. You are than absolutely taken apart by the enemy server and are shocked to find out no one will rez.

Now that you are 100% clear on the fact that this is where we duel. You should have no problem avoiding this kind of embarrassing situation again correct?

Move on.

Oolune.4357:

DeWolfe.2174:

Ragnar.4257:

If I understand right, OP is a Gandaran having a go at some [JDGE] guys dueling. I don’t know who OP is, but I’m willing to bet he’s probably someone of no importance.

This is exactly the type of arrogance that isn’t needed in the game. And, if there is a queue, duelers need to take it sPvP. I know this really doesn’t exists on my Tier. I’d make certain they were Zerg Rolled for taking up the queue.

The type of arrogance that isn’t needed is others trying to dictate how another person should play the game.

This should be said to the OP, who is trying to tell us we shouldn’t gank people who disturb fight clubs then jump/dance/sit on their body.

Teamkiller.4315:

Oolune.4357:

DeWolfe.2174:

Ragnar.4257:

If I understand right, OP is a Gandaran having a go at some [JDGE] guys dueling. I don’t know who OP is, but I’m willing to bet he’s probably someone of no importance.

This is exactly the type of arrogance that isn’t needed in the game. And, if there is a queue, duelers need to take it sPvP. I know this really doesn’t exists on my Tier. I’d make certain they were Zerg Rolled for taking up the queue.

The type of arrogance that isn’t needed is others trying to dictate how another person should play the game.

This should be said to the OP, who is trying to tell us we shouldn’t gank people who disturb fight clubs then jump/dance/sit on their body.

It should be said to the OP. Unfortunately, I can’t seem to say it to him in such a mild way and the powers-that-be keep getting on to me.

DeWolfe.2174:

Ragnar.4257:

If I understand right, OP is a Gandaran having a go at some [JDGE] guys dueling. I don’t know who OP is, but I’m willing to bet he’s probably someone of no importance.

This is exactly the type of arrogance that isn’t needed in the game. And, if there is a queue, duelers need to take it sPvP. I know this really doesn’t exists on my Tier. I’d make certain they were Zerg Rolled for taking up the queue.

You know, a couple zergs once tried that with us. Their fail zergs were absolutely embarrassed. Why? most good players understand whats going on i that area and will not venture down there. Its typically only the pvd squad that hates this.

You know what happens when a pvd squad meets a pvp squad?

Lots of LOL’s

That reminds me

In the middle of this GvG a 15-20 man Kaineng Pug group that took the South camp tried to wreck our GvG. The fact that the GvG continued so soon afterwards should alert you as to what the result was.

Mindtrick.5190:

If my roaming group finds a group of people dueling “the other 2 servers” we kill them. People on the other servers know me now, they run. I’m not here for esports or trophy’s this game is not played on LAN. It’s open and free and I suggest stomping all over peoples party’s

Your post made my laugh so hard. I was looking for some tpvp streams last night and found your “WvW T1” stream so decided to take a look. What I found was a party of 3 thieves and 2 mesmers ganking solos. So yeah, everyone knows tysim’s tactics, don’t worry about that.

About the OP…errr uhmmm, I’ll just say, every player dueling at WvW knows that there’s a high chance that the duel gets interrumpted by people trying to help, but mostly by people looking for free badges, and it’s part of the fun.

You wanna play WvW “the way it’s meant to”? So what are you doing behind the windmill killing people who aren’t doing anything productive? Hurry up man, go scort some yaks, run some supply to siege up a tower, sweep a keep for mesmers and buy some upgrades later, or just follow your commander and be a good soldier, don’t waste a spot in WvW killing random enemies at random places, you are not contributing to your server, and Anet may ban you for that.

lordkrall.7241:

Jinks.2057:

So you decided to ruin Fight Club and got ran over for it

Now you are posting about it asking anet to punish those players who decided to use thier $60 they spent differently than you.

Shoulda just left it alone mate

Well, they are the ones that is destroying WvW for those of us that actually want to play, by making queues and not doing anything useful at all.

I’ve never once run into a queue because of a GvG or dueling. I figure if they wanna duel…more power to ‘em. It’s a great way to satisfy an itch that ANet hasn’t provided an in-game method to scratch.

My caveat to this is that…if you are dueling and you get run over by a zerg…get over it. And if you run up on dueling and pick a fight with the people there and get stomped…you can also get over it.

I like these CERN guys lol.

Some of you duelers here mad on me for discussing a few of the issues I encountered seem uninterested & passive with what some of your participants are doing under the guise of “duel zone”, which undermine many facets of the community & the very reputation you are bullying many to “respect”. Threatening to allow enemies to stomp players of your respective home server or personally choosing to ridicule them if they attack the enemy in their mists that holds the camp & then turning around after you get your desire of being left alone to have your fun, watch that very enemy that was spared on your behalf come & defend the camp anyway~ can easily be misconstrued as some form of conspiracy or w.e. form of point manipulation can be obtained from setting players on your own server up to fail.
This unfair expectation potentially puts me & others between a rock & a hard place. Do we kill the opponents who own the camp to ensure they don’t take advantage of the situation, with the risque of creating bad blood with fellow server mates or do we gamble with our game time etc? Or do we try to be courteous & trust our server mate & refrain from attacking in case that enemy will exercise integrity & stay in the unofficial duel zone we left them alive in?
How is that not a conflict of interest? How is that not stealing from your server mates game time? How does that strengthen trust that is necessary to carry other WvW content out later on? Oh fight clubbers can fall back on tears of “it’s not my fault I can’t control what the enemy does”.
Some of you act as if I am committing some form of crime for questioning the validity of something the game itself did not set up or promote. Some of you seem amazed & dumbfounded I could’t figure out what was going & just get with “your program”. Yet from my limited gaming experience via a handful of fantasy mmo games I have played to their endgame content, not one of them had dueling available in the war zones. Not PWI, not FW, not Cabal, not Aeria, not Aion. The simple fact that while dueling systems are not new to the mmo world, GW2 CHOSE to add NOTHING as far as a dueling systems at the moment. They have their structured sPvP & they have their mass player PvP. Dueling is neither of those & does not fit in a war zone environment. You don’t want to accept Gw2 doesn’t have a dueling system, yet you want others to accept your version of it & go to great lengths to bully & undermine the community & other content to to protect your claim that your rights are more valuable than all others involved. You are attacking community members for something that is not even part of the product, yet I am the dumb evil kitten for asking management instead of blindly jumping on & supporting something the game itself did not announce. Edward Bernays pulls your strings from the grave lol.
The generic form of duel system that players created here not only harbors some exploiters, it also promotes drama, ridicule, misunderstandings & can potentially divide a community who see WvW zone from the advertised & promoted standards. It isn’t an “event” & is hardly an acceptable replacement for a developer created duel system that has checks & balances.
Not one of you asked me for the name of the three players involved in that incident. Not one of you said O.o mail us the name so we can remind them of our fight club standards in regards to interactions
I don’t know of any player created content that is supported by a game that condones or allow player created content to represent their game that allows one portion of the community to run all over the rest with total disregard to other players rights. Many of the posts here illustrate that & further show the fight club crowd feels entitled & above the ToS when content & zones they feel belong only to them & no others.
The fact you will attack rather than admit their are weaknesses in your creation & are not open to conversation in those regards, you offer no assurances that you yourselves will take responsibility for any exploiters you may “accidentally” vouch for shows you lack the integrity & the foresight that is necessary to troubleshoot & find solutions for any players or content that are affected by your addition. Your smooth running totally relies on forced sacrifices made by everyone to avoid that area & give it to you. The enforcer of your standards is pure bandwagon rally & verbally attack or make them miserable until compliance is gotten.

Many here are jumping on the wagon to “teach this ignorant OP a lesson” yes yes it takes so many of you to silence one voice ^^ I am so jealous of your strong spines & that is exactly what is needed to pull an already bully filled bandwagon

If Anet had created the dueling system these & other confusing encounters resulting in discord among the community wouldn’t exist. In its place would be the average player drama of who “cheated” & used a skill they all said you can’t use, you know those silly rules they create like telling a sin, “it isn’t fair for you to use stealth qq^^”
Instead here we are bickering with each other & all sorts of attacks & speculation & no solutions or assurance you have control or boundaries within of the dueling system you created which hardly promotes good intentions to all in the community only protects the “no rules” of those that participate in fight club. That is a mistake of inexperience & short term thinking, & why most games don’t let players attempt to run away with such things that they themselves are capable of creating in a more appropriate & community healthy manner, if they so desired.

At this time Anet is silent on the issue, perhaps they are working on a viable solution & require the patience of the rest of the community . Maybe not. Either way I said I would respect their answer & they gave one for now.

For the sake of peace I will refrain from utilizing my rights to sneak into the camp via the base back roads & to avoid the guessing game of my sever mates intentions I will refrain from assisting any of my server mates from any battle that are not organised.
I will give up my content so you can continue to have your fake duel system of zero value & shallow laughs. I will avoid your bullying tactics so you can have more energy & snarl to use on others. I am sure I am not the first nor will I be the last you abuse for your amusement

A side note to TDS I already explained how our misunderstanding got out of control & I apologized for calling you guys spies among other ignorant things I said. Believe it or not players do encounter other players in that area & they are not all respectful as you guys tried to be. I even said that very day as far as my death was concerned I had no issue with the fact SNAP killed me. You were just one of several misunderstandings I encountered before I knew of this “unofficial spot” or that regular duels took place there, & the straw that broke the camels back that sent me seeking info before submitting a ticket. OFC after I saw the info you being there in the manner you were two days in a row made sense & therefore I had no ticket to submit. I referred to your guild NAMELESS as an example of some of the encounters that added to my confusion. Not to attack your guild tag.

No longer watching this post.

Lol at the LK troll. Good thing LK is one of the least individually skilled guilds on HoD. Oh if only you would fight people outside of your 25 person group killing bunches of groups of 5.

so…what was the problem again? Dueling violates the TOS or what?