Guild Wars 2

Dovag,

My friend, remember, Darkhaven has been in situations as bad as yours. You remember Yak’s Bend correct? You do remember we were right there with you… right? It may not be quite as bad as this is, but it’s comparable.

People re-take those items, because we have lots of people who are in dire need of karma. We don’t bot farm, we just look whats not green and go take it back. With as little as 1 person most the time. Sure keeps need the numbers to take, and yes I understand how the odds fair (had the crap kicked out of us by yak’s day 2 post release was it?). Been there done that, … still need karma- so much karma … , and if I’m out manned and can’t take the supply camp over in time before your squad comes to clean me, then I move on to another attainable goal – scout/node whatever, until a keep call comes out. We do not sit beside the nodes, nor the supply camps, we move, and sometimes out of the way to let you walk in. We all hunt the same thing (each other), and try to get our karma for our legendary/armor/whatever toy you want to buy. Not sure if there’s anything we do that’s wrong here. Karma, and action. If the action is too x rated, then maybe we’ll re position and follow your trail.

Again, someone (I think worban) noted previously – it comes down to timing. You can have the camp/node/keeps as long as you like, but expect a shlacking in the final minutes if you want to keep it.

(DARKHAVEN HAS BEEN BEAT SO BAD IT WAS EMBARRASSING, AND HUMBLING) … and it probably will happen many times again in future, it just happens – no biggie.

Just wiped out a huge group of bots in AR BL wiped the group twice, and you have players there aggressively defending the bot farms. I’m not saying it’s you, and there are so many there it’s hard to report.

Dovgan.8605:

Just wiped out a huge group of bots in AR BL wiped the group twice, and you have players there aggressively defending the bot farms. I’m not saying it’s you, and there are so many there it’s hard to report.

How do you know they’re defending the bots, and not simply attacking you? The bots create crossed swords on the map if there are enough of them, you attack them will only make it more likely the swords will appear. In which case, do yo expect them not to attack you?

<<- farms karma because of the requirements of a legendary being so high, in wvw and in pve. If your in the way, you’ll know. Bots lose … I prefer to win. I find I get my karma faster when you (or your random AI points) are the ones dirt napping.

You can report all you like, on bots and normal people playing, hell tonight I’ll go afk every time I go out for a smoke in plain sight, and away from safe areas – that’s 10 minutes (and you only need what… 5 seconds) of free face rolling a suspected bot and /report me for sitting by some node when I’m outside having a smoke – screen cap it and toss it in this thread, I really don’t care. Doesn’t change my goals. Accounts don’t get banned for playing wvw, or chasing karma. It’s hard enough as is with everything green on the map and it’s not fun, so looking forward to being the underdog next week.

I’ll be on later tonight pst time, you’ll find my big ugly banner swaying norn, and I’ll find every ranger on your server. Cage match? Thunderdome style? Two man enter 1 man leaves? <<- Look trying to make fun because I’m not having fun current state.

It’s not cool the way it is right now, for anyone playing. It’s not fun, not even for us – it will change. Our server has good and bad players, myself included.

Hexin.5603:

It’s hard enough as is with everything green on the map and it’s not fun, so looking forward to being the underdog next week.

In the immortal words of Dr. Tran: “That was more than ten lies!”

@ Kiv- are you having fun? Seriously? (sorry I do assume your playing on one of the above servers – but your name rings a bell from guru) I had much more fun playing against SoR, and we’re looking to maybe go up against yak’s again (quite possibly to get rolled badly again, but maybe not – either way if we are able to play them again, we can at least gage if we have progressed in wvw at all in a small manner). Either way, it will be more fun to think on your feet, versus run to only random color that flipped and kill it. It’s just not that interesting.

Anvil rocks whole problem is they have a couple of guilds who always want to be in charge.

If anyone disagrees with them or tries to do something else, they get gangbanged and shouted down the the guildys. They also like to tell people how they carry everyones sorry kitten

The result, people leave cause they cant stand the ego. Enough people have left to make sure AR remains a low tier server.

Those guilds wanted to boss everyone around. Well now you have no one to boss around.

Congrats and enjoy
Karma served

Wraith.4159:

Anvil rocks whole problem is they have a couple of guilds who always want to be in charge.

I was on AR during the first part of the 24 hr matches and I left solely because of what the above poster said. Guilds like ANV ruined the WvW experience on AR by acting like arrogant brats with rude attitudes.

Any time Anvil Rock took something you’d hear someone from ANV bragging about how ANV had done all the work. Worse, some of the ANV players would aggressively insult people who didn’t go along with anything their guild did. I know of at least 4 people who left AR during the 24 hr match period because they got sick of that guild taking the fun out of WvW .

wombat.6123:

Wraith.4159:

Anvil rocks whole problem is they have a couple of guilds who always want to be in charge.

I was on AR during the first part of the 24 hr matches and I left solely because of what the above poster said. Guilds like ANV ruined the WvW experience on AR by acting like arrogant brats with rude attitudes.

Any time Anvil Rock took something you’d hear someone from ANV bragging about how ANV had done all the work. Worse, some of the ANV players would aggressively insult people who didn’t go along with anything their guild did. I know of at least 4 people who left AR during the 24 hr match period because they got sick of that guild taking the fun out of WvW .

I have to admit, my guild often left for another borderland when those people came in. However, as of this week they have basically all left for more populated servers. Of course there still is the odd prima donna but its not quite as bad.

First pic is the norm, didn’t get the screen of the 20 or so on the other side of us, second, well that’s the most fair fight I have had with you guys so far DH, and I still downed one of you. I guess you’re right, it isn’t the numbers, it’s you elite skills, and incredible organization.

And something to build a little server pride.

@Raffie

ya the best part of the night was getting 133k Karma but ya. wish for a sever move to get all poi and vis/sp amost at 100% we need more ppl on are sever.

on a side note we had like 5 too 7 ppl getting a point. next thing i know where getting run over by 30+ ppl just for 7 ppl are less. make’s me sad face.

Dovgan.8605:

First pic is the norm, didn’t get the screen of the 20 or so on the other side of us, second, well that’s the most fair fight I have had with you guys so far DH, and I still downed one of you. I guess you’re right, it isn’t the numbers, it’s you elite skills, and incredible organization.

i led the day crew today, you guys had a huge zerg, 30-40 people in EB at one time siegeing anz i think.

we had 6 people stalling your zerg for 1 minute and calling everyone from other maps to join the fight, then we rolled you. twice.

most epic moment was when i got a help call from a friend in the mines in EB, he had 10 guys on the north entrance i had 20 guys charging in from south enterance.

once we charged in and killed all of you under 30 seconds, we were suprised you guys put up soooooo many ballistas (at least 5) in the camp lol

anyways, i feel you guys are pushing a bit harder today one time trying to take cliffside but its a huge mistake you dont hve enough supplies to build a treb to defend garrison treb, so we trebed ur walls twice, while watching you sat there manning your bounch of ballistas shooting at no one…

word of advice, get better equiptments man i see lots of u guys wearing lvl 10 stuff…

also, learn to pvp.

whole day today i was getting intel from scouts from 4 maps on the lcoation of large enemy zergs, and hunting them down… it was fun overrunning bigger zergs with smaller forces

@iii there were maybe 10 people in that supply camp, I was the last guy to go down, and you had how many from both directions? No idea what the heck that group was building the balistas for though, gotta admit.

You had to take how many people off your maps to take out a group of 10 people? 30, because the even numbers couldn’t hack it, even with the orb buff, even with people that don’t know how to PvP and have bad equipment. Weak leaders prefer overwhelming numbers to tactics, and you prefer overwhelming numbers. You have already proven yourself to be a poor sportsman by your screen shot posted earlier, you have shown that you enjoy spawn camping players, and now openly admit to needing 30 people to take out 10 with no skills and poor gear. I’d hand you a shovel, but you are digging a decent enough hole for yourself. All I need to find out now is that you promote botting in your guild and you sell gold on the side.

Your server has a recruitment thread and people cannot transfer to your server because it is full, all the time, and your server still feels the need to recruit. Look forward to your future postings next week.

Would you fight a 10man Zerg in a Pangloss with 5 ballistas head on with 10 pugs or Flank it hard with 30 people and finish the fight in 15 seconds? I see why why your losing and whining. And it took us less than 15 seconds to clear all of you plus the ballistas. we then moved on to kill others zergs in other maps. We r truly busy at all times.

I’m not going to answer your sour loser trolling anymore. Look for me in the battle fields, I’m always half naked not wearing my breastplate, why? Cause your not worth it.

15 seconds, 30 seconds, you can’t be honest on the boards. Yes, I would have flanked, sure. But do not be impressed that you killed a small group of up arrows (I actually did find the screen shot, and we had 6, yes SIX people) and maybe 3 true 80’s with 30 people. And you are half naked because you can hide behind your zerg over built seiging and bs. I’m having a blast in WvW and have a ton of respect for a large percentage of the DH population. I just recognize a poor sport, and expect when the going gets tough, you will be the first person to throw in the towel. You don’t look for tactics, you look for easy kills and overwhelming odds. One of the main reasons people aren’t playing against your server is because of greifers like you, otherwise we may have had people actually playing the game instead of having one big DH pve zone. I understand that you do not get that, and don’t expect you could even if it were spelled out for you.

I was in several maps today, I head count regularly, and if you saw a 40 person zerg off an enemy, you must have transferred servers, we never had more than 25 people at any given spawn. But you can’t admit that, and I feel really sorry for you.

And please, don’t be so impressed by yourself, both are servers are in the second to last tier. I’m certain your superior tactics put you there.

I appreciate all those who do not judge DH players based on the remarks of one individual.

‘iii’, aka ‘Seal the Deal’, aka ‘Half Naked Norn’ is my Guild Leader, my friend and he is indeed, a superb commander. He does (on occasion, if the situation calls for it) do more than simply zerging large numbers.

BUT I am trying to convince him to learn a little modesty and show respect for opposing servers/players, even the ones he pats himself on the back for steamrolling over. If I see him publicly post this kind of gloating again, rubbing victory in players’ faces, I will have a serious talk with him.

I will not apologize on his behalf, because that would be presumptuous of me. But I do apologize on behalf of myself and some of my friends on DH that disapprove of this kind of bragging.

Wow, thats iii guy, gotta be the most dellusionnal guy around here.

Each time I see one of your post, you’re saying non-sense.

I was there during the Plagoss or whate ver the name of the camp in the cave is. We were around 10-15 player with ballista inside and I farmed kill during at least 5 minute before you entered. I think I got like 10 kills until your zerg of around 30 people got inside our 10-15 man ( mostly under 80).

The main reason why we lost this cave was that once your charged, we couldn’t see your army. The rendering bug kicked in and I couldn’t shoot anyone because I couldn’t see, and I got killed by invisible ennemies.

I never saw a zerg on Anvil Rock, stop getting number out of your kitten Our zerg is about 20 players, and each fight we lost yesterday we were ether outnumbered, or had trebuchet/cata shooting at us at the same time.

I hope your elite skill iii will show up in your next tier.

And I sure reconize your char during the camp fight, and we all saw you die first. You charged in blindly and got killed right away. You died right at my feet, even the game know your value and your loot was some dirty grey shoes.

P.S : The holod of the camp was only for fun. We had been doing Karma Train on every Borderland, and now we wanted some PvP. Our group was mostly under 80 player, unexperienced, but we still had a blast.

P.S : I took some screenshot, but I’m not home yet, I will post them later.

Dovgan.8605:

And something to build a little server pride.

Dovgan, is your only goal in this thread to try to stick it to us evil, stuck up Dh players? What’s the point of even posting this? If all you want to do is insult our server, please, don’t take the time and instead just avoid posting altogether. We do not approve of botting and I’ve seen multiple people take the time to actually come to botter locations and report them.

Your server has a recruitment thread and people cannot transfer to your server because it is full, all the time, and your server still feels the need to recruit. Look forward to your future postings next week.

A lot of our population is not active in WvW… we didn’t post that we’re recruiting just in general, we posted that we’re recruiting for WvW.

Seriously Dovgan, please, don’t try to spread the misery around. If you’ve got a problem with Dh, fine, but let’s not turn this thread into a bickering match.

Let me explain last nights wvw so people get the picture….

Pretty much only our best pvprs so still fighting at this point, so we only had about 10 people in our entire borderland, but all really good pvprs. So… we decide to take godsword. We took our 10, and killed nearly 20 darkhaven in gods, and they even had 6 arrow carts, and 2 ballistas up. Not to mention 3 orb advantage.
So… we held gods, built siege, upgraded the defenses… Know what happened? They came back with 35 people and wiped most of us before they even rendered.

This is obviously not a skill issue…

Arius,

I didn’t have a bad opinion about your server until people like iii and MasterPyro started to post.

But yeah, I won’t judge a complete server over 2 players. Northenpeak were stomping us too, and we had some issue with them, but nothing like those 2 player bad attitude. This is the internet

10 players and 5 ballistas in pangloss, the perfect place to build them, and you can easily kill 25 newbs.

If you only had 5 ballistas though, your problem was no arrow carts. You’ll need at least one to help corral them.

I think I’ve put down 10-15+ ballistas in that place.

If the enemy has siege in there, playing around will get you killed if they know what they are doing.

Funny to see both sides questioning the tactic. !

Mug.9403:

10 players and 5 ballistas in pangloss, the perfect place to build them, and you can easily kill 25 newbs.

If you only had 5 ballistas though, your problem was no arrow carts. You’ll need at least one to help corral them.

I think I’ve put down 10-15+ ballistas in that place.

If the enemy has siege in there, playing around will get you killed if they know what they are doing.

Funny to see both sides questioning the tactic. !

If you’re replying to me. You need to re-read the post man. And as for us… there was no time to build that many, we got 1 ballista and 3 carts up before they rolled in. You’re tactical imagination is clearly not on a timeline, lol.
Also… with the render issue, they were standing on top of the siege before it fired. 10 vs 35 is just not possible to defend for in a min or 2

Worban u careBear =D these trolls will say everything they can to defend their server, blaming losing a battle on everything that is legit. Other than hacking, I never complaint about lack of players or rendering. Anyways, I was here to help, turned out they didn’t need my help, and thought I was been an kitten ok. That’s fine. I’ll do everything I can to kill these guys over and over. See you on the battlefield! I won’t even feel sorry for running you guys over with my Zerg, we need to move up the bracket else we become rusty…

So what iii? How can you kill us more then right now? Do everything you can to kill us man, what ever it means. Like if it wasn’t the point of WvW.

I will just kill that half naked norm like we did yesterday. Not like charging blindy in us was a good idea. Tho it still work when you are 30-35 with orbs vs 10 players.

Mug, We didn’t have arrow cart because it was our second try, and we didn’t really prepare it. It was just for fun, and it worked as I had a lot of fun. Well I didn’t see any real tactic from outside attacker, they only bull rushed inside. Not that I said we had any good tactic ether except turteling with ballista.

And it would have been hard even with arrow cart, since the ennemy didn’t render until they were on top of us.

About it iii, I didn’t complaint about rendering before 2 day ago, when it started happening to me. I don’t know if it’s only me, but usually I never have this issue. And I got a High end video card and cpu, so no idea.

I’m sure you don’t complaint about lack of players, since player can’t even transfer to your server because it’s full. How would you complaint about that?

We aren’t the best pvpers, we have bad gear, we have likely half our people that are under lvl 80 and our communication is not the best. But it still don’t change the fact that you badly outnumber us, and only when we will have similare number I will accept the fact that we are bad.

P.S : Balidore that was the first stand that we didn’t have much siege to defend, anyway there zerg were right next so we didn’t have time to build anything.

Worban, thank you for saying that, Seal the Deal I love being under your command in the hard fights and you know what you are doing and get kitten done better than any other commander we have (at least so far as I have seen) and we have had some kitten hard fights these past few weeks but have come up on top because of determination. However I do have to agree with Worban’s last post 100%. Next week I hope to be under your command again my Half Naked Norn for some more hard battles!

p.s. anvies and fergies I don’t mean that to be taken negatively by next week hard battles but realistically be it numbers tactics or we have flying monkeys it makes no difference this week has been a boring wvw week for everyone and I think all 3 servers can agree with that.

Kardiamond,

There are just a couple points I want to address here.

1. I had the rendering issues pop up around when you did too. People are saying it happened from that last patch — so that’s likely the culprit. They were always present for me, because Darkhaven is a decent WvW pop server, and the bigger the battle the more rendering issues you will get. However, they’ve become severe recently.

2. We can complain about population because total server population =/= WvW population. Sanctum of Rall consistently outnumbered us on at least 2 borderlands (usually 3) at all times until prime time. Having a full server population does not mean that you have a lot of WvW participants necessarily.

3. Anvil Rock is not necessarily bad at PvP from a skill standpoint. I think the problem is lack of experience, and a giving up attitude. Don’t worry, our server definitely has the second issue in spades, so it’s not only you. However, it seems to me, Anvil Rock’s WvW showing could be improved a lot if people were to simply practice more in SPvP and WvW. From what I’ve seen, Anvil Rock (generally speaking) simply does not know what to do in a real PvP situation. When you meet a group of similar numbers, you back away… which instantly means you’ve lost. When you’re in a small skirmish, you don’t target the same person, and sometimes people just aren’t doing anything at all. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve gotten into 3v6 with an even amount of 80s and still won… because we knew who to target, and in which order to target.

So take it as you will, I’m not trying to be preachy, rude, or condescending. I have a certain fondness for Anvil’s Rock from the time we were stuck with Yak’s Bend — you guys were cool. The vibe a lot of you are giving off on the forums is like a standard teenager, “nobody knows what I’m going through… my life sucks!” when virtually every single server has been there and perhaps in even worse situations.

@Arius I have no issues with DH, or legit players here, you just have a certain commander that really needs to take a good hard look at where he is, and not be confused about thinking he is in some top tier match up. Look, you guys are usually fielding better numbers, and that is great for your server right now, however, if 30 of your 166 slots on a map are taken up by botters, you are going to need to fix that before your next match up, because you guys are going to need “real” people in the next round. I have had some really good experiences in the last few days, and very few poor ones. And sometimes I do get wrapped up in the heat of war. But no, I do not demonize DH, and I really do wish you the best of luck in the following weeks, but you guys clearly do have a few major problems in your WvW community that need fixing if you are going to move up and stay up there.

Thanks Akithn and very well said, Arius. I felt like we had something in common with Anvils too after we were both under Yaks’ heals three weeks ago. As a matter of fact, it was that humiliating experience under Yaks complete and total domination that convinced us that we had to whip our server into shape. Our WvW-dedicated server alliance was born out of that experience.

I learned from the DH recruitment thread that we are a full server total population, which is a vastly different statistic than WvW populations, as Arius mentioned. While it may be difficult for entire guilds to switch to us, individuals are getting it after trying a few times.

My point is, it might be time for Anvils to do something about their woes. If your server population is not full, it might be time for your own recruiting thread. There is no shame in that. In fact, if your server has plenty of open capacity, you might see a significant surge of elite guilds from top servers who just want to play together in WvW as a guild.

I think what everyone from DH has been trying to say in their own way, some with truly helpful tones and (unfortunately) some with condescending tones, is that it you shouldn’t fold so easily and just complain about hearing the same story from servers that beat you week after week. Could it be time to take action? Do you have a server alliance that is focused on WvW? I apologize if it was previously mentioned that you do…I haven’t thoroughly read every single post on this thread. An organized alliance truly makes a big difference!

well anvil and ferg youll be seeing sorrows furnace this week. Same thing happening now may happen then. Night time is where youll probally do the best. after this weeks match up, my servers morale is -100. about 90% of our WvW pop joined the enemy and rite now its lookin good to me. Sorry darkhaven, probally wont see is ya till 2 weeks from now. Server transfers have killed a fair bit of servers, mine used to have the same pop size as fort aspenwood. Now its probally got bout the same as anvil, ferg left in it. Transfers are certainly ruining my fun.

Dovgan.8605:

@Arius I have no issues with DH, or legit players here, you just have a certain commander that really needs to take a good hard look at where he is, and not be confused about thinking he is in some top tier match up. Look, you guys are usually fielding better numbers, and that is great for your server right now, however, if 30 of your 166 slots on a map are taken up by botters, you are going to need to fix that before your next match up, because you guys are going to need “real” people in the next round. I have had some really good experiences in the last few days, and very few poor ones. And sometimes I do get wrapped up in the heat of war. But no, I do not demonize DH, and I really do wish you the best of luck in the following weeks, but you guys clearly do have a few major problems in your WvW community that need fixing if you are going to move up and stay up there.

My friend, those bots were not there in any of our previous WvW match ups (ask those from SoR and SF). I’m willing to bet those bots are only there because we’re dominating, which makes it much easier for them to farm WvW in peace. They likely transferred to our server because we’re the only matchup in NA that is simply dominating — even the matchup below us is more competitive (the losing servers have almost 2x as many points as the losing servers in this match, and the winning server has almost 1/2 as many points as we do).

Trust me, the bots will probably be gone when we get to the next matchup which looks to be against SoR or Yak’s Bend.

Sorry to hear that fatboy. Sorrow’s Furnace was a strong server that gave DH a lot of close, fun, challenging fights. In fact, I dare say we learned more tactics from you guys than any other server we’ve fought. SoR would be a close second, for teaching us a thing or two, I suppose.

I think the free server transfers have killed the WvW experience. Folks will argue that they don’t but if SF or Anvils puts out a recruitment thread and gets no signigficant influx, I will say that current server balance is completely broken.

Because so few people have server loyalty and just want to be with a top server. They don’t appreciate the work that goes into making one strong. They just want to group up with their fellow, elite buddies and have battles against elite opponents and that’s all fine and dandy except it leaves those of us with hard-core WvW attitudes (but guild/server loyalty) without the numbers.

yea im spending bout 20 gold a week in seige toys to help my server, WvW is really not so fun anymore Especially watching my keep go last night when gom kept mass making trebs, we wiped the first 4 but the next 3 we couldnt. 8 of us held 40 rall off last night n held Veloka and our keep for roughly 7 hours, till they found a spot for trebs we couldnt get too. i made a recruitment thread, ima keep trying, but unless we get people to move to our server, my server is offically bout dead.

As always, I thank you for your advice, and we are already using them. We have TS server, we have commander, we are using tactics.

There is a reasonwe back away, and it’s simple : I will take yesterday as an example as what happen when we don’t back away.

We were roaming in EB, and we encountered a group. They were around the same number as us, so why not try to fight them. We started the fight and it was doing well, but it take time to finish a group. We were rezing our player, they were rezing there. About 30 second in the fight, there number started growing. Then Trebs started shooting at us. At the end, the group was twice our number with siege supporting them.

We called reinforcement, but 15 players was all we had. So yeah I think our server will favor backing up from fight. Even if it would be a fair fight. 90% of the time, we know their zerg will come with bigger number. We can’t afford to stay at the same place for too long. That’s why we are using Karma Train, we move around taking camp and we don’t stay at the same place. We can’t stop for skirmish.

You say we are acting like teenager, well if it sound like this for you, so be it. And yeah, we prolly have it worse then anyone else except kaidengt (the last server, dont remember the name). We didn’t get a win nor a fair fight since the release of the game. We are stuck in a tier that will be like that for weeks, because of how the tier are done.

Worban : We had an alliance, it felt apart, we are trying to come back from there now. The funny thing about your server, is that yes you got stomped like us by Yak. But at least, you didn’t get that each week after. If you check the ranking at http://mos.millenium.org/matchups, We have the tier with the largest gap of all, EU and NA.

So you ask us why we complain? Hell most of us didn’t complain until people like iii started rumbing it in our face. I don’t mind losing, but saying it’s only because we are unskilled people is unfair when we are outnumbered.

Oh and Arius, I fought outnumbered and won too. We can’t base people skill around that. I doubt you can evaluate a complete server skill on a few fight that you won.

This week is over, I don’t know why this discution has to continu. Nothing DH or AR will say will change anything. Let just wait until reset and never see each other server again.

Even with orb hack, I continu to prefer NSP over DH for the sportmanship. If we have to work on our skills, you have to work on your behavior.

These two … are both great commanders. Regardless of how others feel, it’s because of the coordinated effort they pulled together that made the first 24 hours the only reason we are where we are now.

Worban.1574:

‘iii’, aka ‘Seal the Deal’, aka ‘Half Naked Norn’ is my Guild Leader, my friend and he is indeed, a superb commander…

Dovgan, you sound like a pvp player, but your communicating in just as hard or slighted manner, and it’s obviously to be taken with a grain of salt. Again, we’ve been up and down the ladder, we do not want to be where we are, and will make it back up. And yes, win … and get spanked. Part of the game right?

We have a couple superior commanders (I feel), and the odd one who seemingly takes a similar ANV style to his player base (not Seal The Deal or Worban). At least my Guild (WW) has found these two to put a solid strategy and communicate great to our base. Earlier it was eluded about timing being everything, how many times does you server take something over and jump to the next with that coordinated effort only to find your short on supplies, the group slowly breaks only leaving you and the handful of pvp like minded individuals left to contest a zerg? No it’s not fun when that happens. That’s why it doesn’t in DH … our commanders can lead a solid 4-6 hour run cycling, and acquiring points base do n the time.

I did see your server step up some last night, but too little too late at this point. Our main concern is accumulating enough points to jump brackets this week, so (on a silver platter) … if you want to stick it to us, get your force to run on timing, and take over the points right before the timer clicks. It will at least mitigate what we are trying to do. And you can laugh along the way because every small point counts – and I’m certain you’ll spike more than enough (including myself, although I didn’t get to see you last night? fyi .. I’m Norn full Beserker’s gear + Banner tag (WW), and will still look for every ranger) … why not? It’s something to do between attacks and until mistwrought is fixed.

All in all, you can’t knock people for recruiting PvP or WvW, when they are trying to build it, even if the server is full. I know some guilds who have 0 space, but still recruit for monthly openings.

I think Ferg’s is doing a better job than day 2, but worse than day 1, and it’s all because of the fact that our commander’s beat yours. Call it a numbers game, call things glitchy, but in the end, no one shows up if no one puts in the effort to coordinate and plan, both in game and outside.

Last week was fun, this week … well err… and wake up call next week? … I’m actually hoping for Yak’s (who spanked us bad) because we’re in dire need of a mid tier challenge/test and not getting it this week. To be second to last tier is embarrassing. If we get spanked, then it’s back to the drawing board. If we improved … then we can take away that as a win for being on track.

Kardiamond,

You say we are acting like teenager, well if it sound like this for you, so be it.

No, I said that’s the vibe a lot of people on the forums from your server is giving off.

Oh and Arius, I fought outnumbered and won too. We can’t base people skill around that. I doubt you can evaluate a complete server skill on a few fight that you won.

I’m not judging your whole server by that. I said specifically “in general”. But this is not only coming from me… you’ll notice that a lot of people from my server are saying that here.

The point of my post was to say that you guys actually are skilled — but you’re also inexperienced, a lot of the times you don’t make the right calls. The example I gave (that I find still holds) is that if confronted with even numbers in a decent sized zerg (10-20 people), your guys will start back up. This immediately gives you a huge disadvantage, doing that essentially choose flight over fight. Some people will start running, immediately lessening your group’s DPS capabilities, the act of walking backwards in and of itself makes you less mobile and decreases your movement speed… overall it should only be done when a situation is hopeless (even then you should be running away, not back stepping). I’ve seen this happen a few times with you guys, that’s not because you’re bad players, it’s really regardless of your skill.

It’s because you guys haven’t had enough serious and fair fights in order to learn what to do and what not to do. General WvW and SPvP knowledge would do a lot of good for you guys. Sadly, that won’t come until you either:

A) You guys get a serious alliance going that innovates and comes up with general WvW tactics.
or
B) You guys practice a lot on PvP in general. This means staying and fighting even when outnumbered.

Also, there are two servers doing equally as bad in the category below us, and Ferguson’s Crossing itself is doing worse than Anvil Rock. So at best, you have it 4th worst of all NA servers. Darkhaven has been where you are, saying we haven’t will not help you.

Even with orb hack, I continu to prefer NSP over DH for the sportmanship. If we have to work on our skills, you have to work on your behavior.

The overall behavior of all servers in this thread has been less than optimum. Darkhaven has only had 2 or so antagonistic posters, whereas I see at least 4 from the other servers (I think 2 are AR, 2 FC, not 100% though), so as you can see it’s pretty balanced. Then, Zulubeast comes along and starts making pretty well thought out posts that are somewhat anti-Darkhaven (be they true or not, it’s just a fact) and then tons of FC/AR members start acting like he’s the most amazing person ever because of it… in spite of the fact that he was essentially just saying Darkhaven sucks and not even really saying anything that effects either of your servers.

So I’d say we all need to improve quite a bit… we’re no worse than your server in this regard.

Yeah, Zulubeast’s public DH bashing of his own server drew many rounds of applause from the other servers. I wonder if he was planning to transfer there and run for office!

@Worban
Haha yeah, he’s clearly quite charismatic so he’d stand a good chance!

I suppose what confuses me the most about it is the fact that it was just Dh bashing. Why did so many people from the other server support it? Sure, it was well thought out and true on many points… It just boiled down to how much he thinks Darkhaven is doing wrong, which is fine, but why did people from FC/AR care? More than that, why were they acting like he’s some sort of prophet? Xd

iii did a post with all the map being green, cracking a joke and rubbing it in our face, and after another post patting himself on the back for spawn camping us. I didn’t see anything like that from FC or AR?

But yeah, about the retreating during team fight, did you see me post? I explain why we took an habit of running awat. Your zerg is never from the fight, so 90% of the time if we stay, we will die under number.

And Arius, if it’s all about skill and tactics, can you explain me how, during our only peak of the week, the friday night during reset, DH was in the last place? It was the only time during the week that we had queue in borderland, and you were finishing third? I don’t mean to say that we are better than you, but I think we number, we are pretty even.

Or how can you explain it? We all know Friday night is the only night most low tier server have numbert in borderland. So pretty much even number all around.

Sadly we lost everything during the night :P

And I wasn’t refering to the ranking when I said we were in the worse spot, I was refering about to the challenge we receive each week. We always finish second, so we always stay in that tier. The gab between the server ahead of us is just to big. I don’t mind losing, but I would like to at least have some great match up like we had on friday night.

Our best match up would be Boris Pass, Fergusson Crossing and Anvil Rock. We are 3 similar server. But sadly, it can’t happen right now. It would only happen if a top server would fall down to the last place.

So it really has nothing to do with ranking.

But there is no point arguing over who’s better and who’s worse, or any point at saying we are worse in low scale pvp, it doesn’t help anyone.

Lets just finish this week and hope the next one will be better

Just saw your last post Arius.

How is Zulu post different then your : it was well written and some of the thing you said were true. But it just boiled down to how much you think AR is doing wrong. Why did every DH poster jump d on the wagon and started saying we were bad at pvp?

At least Zulubeast was on your server, you didn’t even try AR :P

Kardiamond.6952:

iii did a post with all the map being green, cracking a joke and rubbing it in our face, and after another post patting himself on the back for spawn camping us.

No, but Kodiack from example had a belligerent attitude from the start. A couple of posts from people who have since stopped being antagonistic as well, in light of the fact that they’ve stopped, I’m not going to name them.

But yeah, about the retreating during team fight, did you see me post? I explain why we took an habit of running awat. Your zerg is never from the fight, so 90% of the time if we stay, we will die under number.

I’m not talking about running away… I’m talking about stepping backwards. Your post is fine, I get having to run away. However, sometimes when you don’t have to run away and the playing field is fairly even, your guys simply start stepping backwards… which immediately puts you at a huge disadvantage due to the mechanics of it and the psychological effect is has.

And Arius, if it’s all about skill and tactics, can you explain me how, during our only peak of the week, the friday night during reset, DH was in the last place? It was the only time during the week that we had queue in borderland, and you were finishing third? I don’t mean to say that we are better than you, but I think we number, we are pretty even.

Kar, I think you should re-read my post. I never said it was all about the skill and tactics, I said you guys could use some improvement with your skill and tactics. You’re right, you did stay ahead of us for part of that first day. We do not have a good day time crew, we see that, and we recognize our weakness and are actively working to improve it. However, you’d be hard pressed to find a night-time crew that works as well as ours as far as two tiers above this one and the one below it.

Or how can you explain it? We all know Friday night is the only night most low tier server have numbert in borderland. So pretty much even number all around.

The explanation is undoubtedly that we’re to blame. I at least accept the burdens of the failings of my server — I don’t blame others (not saying that you are, but a few in this thread have from all sides).

And I wasn’t refering to the ranking when I said we were in the worse spot, I was refering about to the challenge we receive each week. We always finish second, so we always stay in that tier. The gab between the server ahead of us is just to big. I don’t mind losing, but I would like to at least have some great match up like we had on friday night.

I recognize that, but what you’re not seeing is that my point is that most servers have had to deal with being steamrolled a lot. You’ve had 3 weeks of steamrolling right? Darkhaven has had two… so while you may technically have it worse than us, it’s only barely worse. More than that, Kaineng and Denova’s Rest have had it far worse than your server has. Imagine what it’s like to be the same as Anvil Rock, just with far less players?

Our best match up would be Boris Pass, Fergusson Crossing and Anvil Rock. We are 3 similar server. But sadly, it can’t happen right now. It would only happen if a top server would fall down to the last place.

Hope you get that matchup some day.

So it really has nothing to do with ranking.

But there is no point arguing over who’s better and who’s worse, or any point at saying we are worse in low scale pvp, it doesn’t help anyone.

There actually is. The first step towards improvement is recognizing your failings. Darkhaven sucks during the day, for example, we recognize that and are actively seeking ways to improve that. My observations (which are anecdotal obviously) suggest that Anvil’s Rock needs to:

1. Get great commanders that are authoritative and know what they’re doing.
2. Practice more in WvW in specific, get more experience on how to win battles (which is hard when you’re outnumbered like now).
3. This one is going to sound harsh, and it’s not intended that way, but I feel it must be said. You need to stop feeling sorry for yourselves… all I see is people arguing about how Anvil’s Rock has it worse than any other server… that doesn’t help anything. People can run around shouting at the top of their lungs how hard AR has it, and that won’t help a thing in the end. Your server can either stay where it is, and just keep repeating that everything is alright, it’s only a matter of numbers… or you can seriously start looking for a way to improve upon your weak spots. For example, get an alliance going. Then make recruitment threads on these forums, advertising your willingness to work together with any guilds that wish to transfer and mentioning that you don’t have queues… things like this may help your server.

Kardiamond.6952:

Just saw your last post Arius.

How is Zulu post different then your : it was well written and some of the thing you said were true. But it just boiled down to how much you think AR is doing wrong. Why did every DH poster jump d on the wagon and started saying we were bad at pvp?

At least Zulubeast was on your server, you didn’t even try AR :P

Because us giving you advice belongs in this thread, it’s about the match up between our three servers. Him saying his own server sucks, not only does not belong in this thread, should not matter to anyone from the other servers because it does not apply to them. Whereas us giving you guys advice does apply to you.

Not trying to be condescending and sound like our server is just so much better than yours and whatnot… that’s not the point. Just saying that you guys have some areas that need improvement — not just your numbers.

Yeah, let’s just try and finish up the week with some dignity and grace. I think all the trash-talk about other players is behind us, thank goodness!

I do not think any of the flagrant, in your face, “we’re better than you” type comments were called for at all or did anybody any good. In fact, I’m disappointed that they took our sportsmanship rep down a notch. I’d really like to not see us in DH do that anymore, because it’s bad form.

I am grateful that I never saw any hacking this week and we can all be proud of that, all around. Although I wish the botters that migrated to our server would get off our server already! If I see them, I will report them, but just not playing a whole lot of WvW this week.

Kardiamond, I admire your passion in standing up for your server. Your loyalty, regardless of how folks view your comments, is to be commended! I wish we on DH had more folks like you, who are willing to stand up FOR your server, even with all its faults. (That is not an attempt to poach you, btw!)

Yes, I’m a bit of a care-bear, as iii put it. But that’s because it’s just a game and we should be having fun. The only thing that really gets under my skin and makes my blood boil is when I witness hacking that I cannot report because a screenshot does not capture the motion. But oh well, I just have to live with that too until Anet really cracks down and fixes things.

All around, good game. I do think both servers put up a good fight on many occasions, especially the first day, even if we held the comfortable point lead. I still had fun in WvW when we did play. The big fights back and forth for North Supply Camp on both BL maps was a lot of fun. Sometimes we rolled over you, sometimes you rolled over us. That’s what made it fun.

@Arius : We can still complaint so maybe someday, Arena.net will find a solution for low population server vs full server. If we keep it silence, it will stay like that and each week we will see half the match up being one sided. Once one server take the lead, the other can’t come back.

I don’t have a solution that wouldn’t hurt the winning server, but I’m sure you guys agree that this week would have been better with a closer match up.

And who said that we can’t organize will being vocal on the forum? Because that’s exactly what we are doing! We just need time since we just lost ANV.

And Worban, I think a week without hacking have been wonderful. I’m glade our 3 server didn’t get any hacker to make it worse.

We had some good fight, nothing game changing, but we had fun time. On Ar, we just have to convince people to do something else then Karma Train. We know if we attack a tower, we will prolly not get it, or lose it half an hour later, but it still a lot of fun.

Holding the camp in EB with Ballista yesterday was some good time, and trying to siege your bay fully upgraded with full supply was fun too, even if we got wiped. :P

iii should just stick to leading your group in WvW and let you handle the diplomacy!

Lol, I’d label Worban the official representative of Dh if I could personally!

Softies!!!

Alright I’ll stay away from all you social lite softies! I’m a battle thirsty Norn after all!!!

-HNN

Anvil Rock = One Bad Server