Guild Wars 2

SpitfireXD.3865:

i think they’ve decided to leave already :\

That’s pretty lame
So they seriously just “vacationed” in T8, screwing up the score, and then bailing?
If that’s the case, then I’ve lost any respect for them that they gained on the battlefield. If that’s not the case, then I look forward to many more good fights to come.

EDIT: You guys ([Agg]) are here for the long run though right?

SF peeps, VK might have just been here for a vacation, but they are teaching the rest of our server a lot. To the point where I finally went and respec’d based off of them. Assuming we are able to implement those lessons and keep our enthusiasm and numbers going, things should keep looking up.

It’s unfortunate that we can’t be amazingly awesome and coordinated as ET, their prowess is clearly unsurpassed, the score is obviously not reflective of the overall server goals and accomplishments, it’s only dictated by a failing Glicko system that keeps ET in a hole out of pure spite and vindictiveness.

It is about time you started coming around to reality. Seriously we were all worried to death about your mental state of late. Good to have you back on the level!

Runamok.9638:

It’s unfortunate that we can’t be amazingly awesome and coordinated as ET, their prowess is clearly unsurpassed, the score is obviously not reflective of the overall server goals and accomplishments, it’s only dictated by a failing Glicko system that keeps ET in a hole out of pure spite and vindictiveness.

It is about time you started coming around to reality. Seriously we were all worried to death about your mental state of late. Good to have you back on the level!

dude i love you. funniest thing i’ve read all week

<3

SuperMario.7920:

Instead of worrying about our garrison, the minor victory that is for you, perhaps you should worry about the overall point total. This week has been much more fun because ET/FC have actually fielded some numbers and sported some tactics, but in the end, the difference was mute.
Pump yourselves up with your small victories, but really, unless you are starting to come close to winning this matchup, why bother posting this crap.

take that childish nerd rage back to the WoW forums where it belongs..

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

kuora.5402:

I don’t know if you’re trolling or just ignorant, but the ONLY reason you’re winning in points is big, skill-less zergs every time of the day. I just finished 5 hour shift in FC Bl, man you guys wipe so easily. Some people play to have fun, while some people play for the numbers. Don’t assume that everybody plays the way you do!

*sigh. Yes, we are all massively unskilled mindless zombies that pound on doors with autoattacks until we get in. We never have the outmanned buff, and we never fight with inferior numbers, and those inferior numbers never succeed.

It’s unfortunate that we can’t be amazingly awesome and coordinated as ET, their prowess is clearly unsurpassed, the score is obviously not reflective of the overall server goals and accomplishments, it’s only dictated by a failing Glicko system that keeps ET in a hole out of pure spite and vindictiveness.

edit: dat typo, let the SF hate flow.

while I do agree with your point about the inflated ego of a lot of these players, I gotta say that if SF has shown anything within the last few days it’s that they’re extremely uncoordinated.

Justinvan.9376:

while I do agree with your point about the inflated ego of a lot of these players, I gotta say that if SF has shown anything within the last few days it’s that they’re extremely uncoordinated.

For sure, I can’t seem to pull off that rub your belly, pat your head thing… Also tying shoes as of late has been a struggle. I’m going to try to start tying my shoes by numbers. Maybe if I can get a zerg of people to tie my shoes we can get it done :P

Joking aside. There are skilled groups in ET/FC/SF, and crap groups in ET/FC/SF. The server that is winning will usually have more of these bad groups show up. That being said, I’m gonna get these kitten shoes tied one day, then you’ll all see!

Removing my post before someone reports it as somehow offensive (quoted below if it doesn’t get changed), prefer not to receive yet another odd infraction for formatting or somthing.

I would like to retract my last comment. It seems that our hope was both unfounded and fleeting. Sanctuary bubble = popped. The road toward recovery is long and arduous. Get better soon OK?

Runamok.9638:

I would like to retract my last comment. It seems that our hope was both unfounded and fleeting. Sanctuary bubble = popped. The road toward recovery is long and arduous. Get better soon OK?

It’s that whole split personality thing, …I think, internal love/hate relationship something or other, let’s just go with the insanity plea and call it good then.

Runamok.9638:

I would like to retract my last comment. It seems that our hope was both unfounded and fleeting. Sanctuary bubble = popped. The road toward recovery is long and arduous. Get better soon OK?

We have a support group. We will get him the help he needs.
@pulsecodesgnl embrace the evil. If you’re in SF, you’re a jerk. Learn the lesson, and play the part Next time you see a good duel going on or somebody peacefully doing the JP, just go muck it all up. Since you’ll be accused of the jerk role either way, earn it.

SpitfireXD.3865:

i think they’ve decided to leave already :\

LOL yup, being farmed for badges all weekend made them turn tail and scurry away.
Too bad, loved all the extra badges I was getting.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Until yesterday (taking a break with Super Adventure Box), I have been in WvW quite a bit since reset to help oversee the progress and make sure coverage gaps weren’t too bad.

If you are talking about yesterday, I cannot attest to what happened. However since reset we have done amazingly well holding off with a significant influx of ET and FC, especially coordinated t1/t2 guilds. Friday was very rough, especially being 2 vs 1’d server-wise with these large guilds that can man guild zergs (FoE anyone?) larger than we can assemble masses. Especially for being in a t8 server.

Can you honestly expect us to counter t1/t2 tactics 100% of the time when we’ve never been higher than t6, and we’ve been in t8 since January?

Saturday, I took a guild group of 10 into our Borderlands and came up against a purely [VK] group of 20-30 (And yes, Alaric with his Necro was there). Out in the open field we ‘essentially’ beat them 4 or 5 times while being significantly outnumbered. I say essentially, because as soon as we picked off half of the group, they’d stealth out, run away and WP back out of combat and run to another location. The one time they ended up wiping us was because I pulled a noob manuever down near the southeast camp and walked my group into (what is now sadly obvious) an ambush near the Arch.

Honestly, I expected to come in here and hear something about how we had a great fight, but no, more SF hate. And then a guildie links me to a post in the ET forums about how badly we were ‘trashed’, and the excessive circular mentality about how we only win due to population.

That same day, me and a few guildies go down to the southern camp to watch and participate in the duels that happen in our borderlands (because the others are too volatile apparently). The second we appear we get jumped, stay alive long enough to back them off and whisper some of them that we just want to duel. After the first duel begins a horde of ET jumps our friend dueling and wipes him. The remaining two of us manage to fight our way backwards until most of them back off. We then get additional whispers about how ‘unskilled’ we are, and how everyone on ET and FC dislike us, and so on.

I understand there is bitterness for being a the bottom of Tier 8, and for us winning by as much and as frequently as we do. But your hostility only does you a disservice, and you isolate a significant portion of the tier you participate in, and that sentiment spreads through your entire server.

I have a hard time imagining that actually helps your server in any way. Especially since every time you get defeated, you can just write it off as numbers, instead of trying to improve on what went wrong. Not to mention that all the hostility just leads to frustration (and yes, it happens on our server as well).

TL;DR Your selling yourselves short by saying we are only winning by numbers.

Wow…. I almost read that whole thing…. Close call guys lmao

bigsal.7061:

SpitfireXD.3865:

i think they’ve decided to leave already :\

LOL yup, being farmed for badges all weekend made them turn tail and scurry away.
Too bad, loved all the extra badges I was getting.

Everyone has their little foibles, theirs seem to be over-estimating their prowess. They just left on that high horse they rode in on lol. Really a bummerooski for Ferg tho what they did to you really was not a cool move at all.

Dark Omens.5768:

Wow…. I almost read that whole thing…. Close call guys lmao

*sigh. Feel brave now? I’m sure that was a very difficult thing to post, seeing as it contributed to the topic, and was very highly controversial.

Ah well, there ends my attempt at world peace (t8 peace) for the day, I shall go back to the slaughter of these ‘pro’ enemies.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Ah well, there ends my attempt at world peace (t8 peace) for the day, I shall go back to the slaughter of these ‘pro’ enemies.

You cannot herd cats…

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Honestly, I expected to come in here and hear something about how we had a great fight, but no, more SF hate. And then a guildie links me to a post in the ET forums about how badly we were ‘trashed’, and the excessive circular mentality about how we only win due to population.

What IS the benefit exactly (or fascination) in looking at other people’s forums and what is posted? Is it a bit of masochism? Looking for “trade secrets”? Stalking certain players? (this isn’t necessarily directed at you, pulse. I’m just curious.)

It sounds like a guildie had his/her undies in enough of a wad to try to drag everyone else into his/her disapproval of a post. Why be dragged down too?

D W.5179:

Justinvan.9376:

while I do agree with your point about the inflated ego of a lot of these players, I gotta say that if SF has shown anything within the last few days it’s that they’re extremely uncoordinated.

For sure, I can’t seem to pull off that rub your belly, pat your head thing… Also tying shoes as of late has been a struggle. I’m going to try to start tying my shoes by numbers. Maybe if I can get a zerg of people to tie my shoes we can get it done :P

Joking aside. There are skilled groups in ET/FC/SF, and crap groups in ET/FC/SF. The server that is winning will usually have more of these bad groups show up. That being said, I’m gonna get these kitten shoes tied one day, then you’ll all see!

hahaha “unorganized” is probably what I should have said :p
not to say you’re all bad. of course every server has its share of cooperative players/guilds. it just seems they’re few and far between

To disprove some misinformation flying around…

1) FoE is here to stay, we played on ET after the Asc Alliance days and we loved it. We are here for the smaller fights and that is exactly what we’ve been getting. Please do not spread misinformation and blatant lies about FoE’s intentions.

2) FoE currently fields under 15 on a weekday night and 40 on reset… if there is any “zerg” it is more than likely run BY FoE and not completely consisting of ALL FoE.

As new members of ET, we love seeing SF and FC troops, y’all always come for a fight and we love it!

You do understand that 40 is a zerg to us down here in little old t8, right?

Even groups of 15 are referenced as a zerg at times, usually to call something out quickly as opposed to referring to numbers, but still. Manning 40 together from the same guild is not a small feat by any means down here.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

You do understand that 40 is a zerg to us down here in little old t8, right?

Even groups of 15 are referenced as a zerg at times, usually to call something out quickly as opposed to referring to numbers, but still. Manning 40 together from the same guild is not a small feat by any means down here.

Please.

He said that 40 on reset night that lasts for 2 hours at best, usually.

…As opposed to 50+ man SF zerg that PvDoors all day.

kuora.5402:

…As opposed to 50+ man SF zerg that PvDoors all day.

Lol… I would love for ET and FC to hop onto our side for a week and see many numbers are actually fielded during the day. That ‘numbers argument’ is such a false scapegoat.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

kuora.5402:

…As opposed to 50+ man SF zerg that PvDoors all day.

Lol… I would love for ET and FC to hop onto our side for a week and see many numbers are actually fielded during the day. That ‘numbers argument’ is such a false scapegoat.

It really is not. Maybe you’re always there too late because they get wiped so easily when they’re actually challenged.

kuora.5402:

It really is not. Maybe you’re always there too late because they get wiped so easily when they’re actually challenged.

I really hope you are not indicative of ET commanders and their sentiment. At this point, you’re either trolling or just excessively bitter and ignoring factual evidence. Throwing blame on someone else, where improvement is needed, is pretty immature.

edit: Changed your signature after your post, are you not in fact a Commander for ET? Or are you just angry about transferring from t1?

SpitfireXD.3865:

katz.8376:

heheheh

i am finding myself highly amused by this thread now

same LOL. I am also anxious to see what will happen next. Will GoM move down to T8 or will SF rise to T7? As for now, SF is stuck here for awhile.

As for the upcoming weeks, I hope SF bleeeeds moarrrr.

We’ve gone from 400% FC/ET score to 300% FC/ET score and my loot bag acquisition has doubled.

If this is what bleeding is like, I should start donating blood.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

And then a guildie links me to a post in the ET forums about how badly we were ‘trashed’

If you are talking about the Eredon Terrace Forums, I don’t recall a post about you being “trashed” in WvW that was made public.

Saturday, I took a guild group of 10 into our Borderlands and came up against a purely [VK] group of 20-30 (And yes, Alaric with his Necro was there). Out in the open field we ‘essentially’ beat them 4 or 5 times while being significantly outnumbered. I say essentially, because as soon as we picked off half of the group, they’d stealth out, run away and WP back out of combat and run to another location. The one time they ended up wiping us was because I pulled a noob manuever down near the southeast camp and walked my group into (what is now sadly obvious) an ambush near the Arch.

Lol wut? I sure hope for your sake you took some screenies.

Btw, most of the times we dont even have 20-30 people online in FC. You can ask the commander of Agg yesterday, we were having trouble actually getting 20 for the GvG.

Saying you wiped a VK group of 20-30 with 10 people is pretty ludicrous.

To put this in reference, both VK and Agg have less than 100 members. VK having significantly less than 100 (At this moment it is around 60). Nearly half of our members did not even transfer to FC.

. I say essentially, because as soon as we picked off half of the group, they’d stealth out, run away and WP back out of combat and run to another location.

You’re dreaming.

Edit: Pulse, you should PM one of the leaders for a GvG if you think you can actually beat 20-30 with 10. We’ll play by those exact odds. I doubt you’ll make my health go below 90% honestly

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

You do understand that 40 is a zerg to us down here in little old t8, right?

Even groups of 15 are referenced as a zerg at times, usually to call something out quickly as opposed to referring to numbers, but still. Manning 40 together from the same guild is not a small feat by any means down here.

Only on reset night brotha, the other 6 nights we are between 10 and 20 like ginley said.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Dark Omens.5768:

Wow…. I almost read that whole thing…. Close call guys lmao

*sigh. Feel brave now? I’m sure that was a very difficult thing to post, seeing as it contributed to the topic, and was very highly controversial.

Ah well, there ends my attempt at world peace (t8 peace) for the day, I shall go back to the slaughter of these ‘pro’ enemies.

Thank u come again.

Teamkiller.4315:

Lol wut? I sure hope for your sake you took some screenies.

Btw, most of the times we dont even have 20-30 people online in FC. You can ask the commander of Agg yesterday, we were having trouble actually getting 20 for the GvG.

Saying you wiped a VK group of 20-30 with 10 people is pretty ludicrous.

Sure I could post a bunch of screens, but all you’ll see is us fighting you, what would that prove?

And 10 against 20-30 is absolutely ludicrous, I agree, as I said, we had several pugs/randoms with us. The 30 number is what you grew to (with pugs/randoms) after we had worked you down south, when you were up at the northmost camp you probably had 20 (just [VK])with you running from Crag.

As for the dreaming, sure, you can call me out on that all you want, unfortunately, I can’t catch video 24/7 on my machine and short of video of you going stealth, dissappearing, and then magically appearing at the bottom of the map, well that’s up to your interpretation.

Your builds may be great for commonplace zergs that are geared and traited for ‘zergs’, and staying alive; but every time I’ve encountered [VK] the zerg ball is easy enough to get out of the path of, and focus you guys down one by one. Honestly, it comes off to me as not being used to fighting ‘glassy’ players that output a ton of damage when they aren’t taken down quickly.

ps: I say ‘you’ in assumption that you are a part of [VK], if you’re not then negate that and replace it with something generic directed at them.

Ohai.8346:

Only on reset night brotha, the other 6 nights we are between 10 and 20 like ginley said.

Reset night is the only time I directed the ‘zerg’ at FoE.

Sure I could post a bunch of screens, but all you’ll see is us fighting you, what would that prove?

More than your word. I imagine if you are proud enough to post on the forums you would have taken screenshots of 10-15 of our dead bodies 4-5 times, as after all, you did claim to kill half our 20-30 VK zerg 4-5 times. So, where are the screenshots? Or. could you ask a guildy to post them?

Until they’re posted, I’ll assume they don’t exist, and you are just dreaming.

And 10 against 20-30 is absolutely ludicrous, I agree, as I said, we had several pugs/randoms with us. The 30 number is what you grew to (with pugs/randoms) after we had worked you down south, when you were up at the northmost camp you probably had 20 (just [VK])with you running from Crag.

So now, instead of it being a “Pure VK” zerg of 20-30 the entire time, it’s 20 VK and 10 Pugs that we grew our numbers to 30 with. And instead of it being a guild group of 10, you had PuGs with you as well.

So what, are you going to change your story again?

As for the dreaming, sure, you can call me out on that all you want, unfortunately, I can’t catch video 24/7 on my machine and short of video of you going stealth, dissappearing, and then magically appearing at the bottom of the map, well that’s up to your interpretation.

No, but you can post the least bit of evidence, which I see none of.

Your builds may be great for commonplace zergs that are geared and traited for ‘zergs’, and staying alive; but every time I’ve encountered [VK] the zerg ball is easy enough to get out of the path of, and focus you guys down one by one. Honestly, it comes off to me as not being used to fighting ‘glassy’ players that output a ton of damage when they aren’t taken down quickly.

Like I said, bro, if you’re so confident you can pick us off 1 by 1 until we’re all dead why don’t we organize a GvG and see if you actually can.

Also it’s pretty hilarious you think we’re traited only for surviving. If you don’t believe I can do damage to you I can roll out the support build I run ikittenerg and we can test how long your glass cannon can tank my hits.

Oh, but and ikittenerg battle I usually have fury and 10-20 stacks of might on me at all time. I can easily roll out 5-6k whirling wraths on people.

ps: I say ‘you’ in assumption that you are a part of [VK], if you’re not then negate that and replace it with something generic directed at them.

I am

I think we can really learn a lesson from these forums.

I can’t speak for other servers, but ET we’re better than this. Why do people get on here just to complain about numbers? It’s obvious they have more but it’s also not the only reason they win in some situations. Sure it’s the backbone of the score right now but I’m talking more of the individual group fights / open fights that happen (because it’s really easy to defend a fully upgraded tower / keep), but they aren’t all bad and trying to slam them just makes you seem really childish.

For some of the new guilds that have come to our servers, claiming you’re god’s gift to pvp and are going to carry our server isn’t going to make you many friends. Just an imho and observation.

Also +1 to fc, minus the odd man out here QQing you guys have kept quiet and had a certain humility that was one of the major reasons I came to ET with the guild a while back ago… wasn’t about the odds.

…and why is everyone so hard on VK? There were never any illusions about them staying so why try to slander them all the time? They came, and, although they were a bit too loud on the forums for my tastes, they helped show FC new tricks. Seems like they were appreciated there so why can’t that compute for people from other servers?

Anyway, take it easy guys gl in wvw.

SniffyCube.6107:

I think we can really learn a lesson from these forums.

I can’t speak for other servers, but ET we’re better than this. Why do people get on here just to complain about numbers? It’s obvious they have more but it’s also not the only reason they win in some situations. Sure it’s the backbone of the score right now but I’m talking more of the individual group fights / open fights that happen (because it’s really easy to defend a fully upgraded tower / keep), but they aren’t all bad and trying to slam them just makes you seem really childish.

For some of the new guilds that have come to our servers, claiming you’re god’s gift to pvp and are going to carry our server isn’t going to make you many friends. Just an imho and observation.

Also +1 to fc, minus the odd man out here QQing you guys have kept quiet and had a certain humility that was one of the major reasons I came to ET with the guild a while back ago… wasn’t about the odds.

…and why is everyone so hard on VK? There were never any illusions about them staying so why try to slander them all the time? They came, and, although they were a bit too loud on the forums for my tastes, they helped show FC new tricks. Seems like they were appreciated there so why can’t that compute for people from other servers?

Anyway, take it easy guys gl in wvw.

^^ Smartest thing anyone has posted in this thread all day.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Again hostility, is it so unfathomable that you’re not perfect? And that you could lose? We lose all the time, and we’re still chugging along.

Dude, we just lost 9 GvG matches in a row against Agg and I posted “/salute” and commended them for owning us and teaching us something. If you’re going to try to accuse me of something, do it right.

Speaking of logical fallacies, here’s one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

If you want bragging rights then have them. If we met you head on in a GvG you would win. We don’t have the tactics or the coordination down to participate in that kind of a match, much less the fact that the vast majority of us are PvE players that come into WvW for fun. The fact is, for us, it did happen, and we were incredibly proud of our feat, especially with as talked up as [VK] is.

Being so proud, I assume you took some screenshots or the least bit of evidence for your claim?

After all, it is your claim, burden of proof is on you. I could just as easily say “I solo’d the entire Seed guild that was online in their EB keep yesterday”, provide no screenshots, and I’d be laughed at and ignored, in the same way I’m asking you to provide evidence of wiping 2-3x your number from a guild that is specifically built to kill in the open field with uncoordinated PvE players, as you so claim.

You don’t think your claim is a little bit ludicrous? Pony up some evidence.

At this point, no evidence would be sufficient for you, especially if you weren’t there or aren’t willing to admit coming up against us. You’ve already denied that it was possible, defended [VK] as if my story of our expedition was some sort of attack on your person, and spouted illogical fallacies about interpretation of the events.

How so? I’m asking for evidence at all, and you offered to post screenshots of such odds even existing in the first place, much less winning those odds, but I see no screenshots. I’m not denying your claim, I’m asking you to prove this because it honestly sounds absolutely ludicrous. You have posted no evidence at all of such a thing and you already say “No evidence would be sufficient for you”. How do you know? You haven’t provided any…

Again, speaking of logical fallacies…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion

You’re welcome to be angry and call me out what you think is bull. Regardless, I look forward to battling with [VK] again (unless you’ve left already that is).

I’m not the angry one dude, you’re the one who’s blustering when asked to pony up any evidence and refusing to give any at all.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Calm down.

Lol, the easiest way to end any argument:

“you mad bro?”

You’re getting trolled Goldie. This guy is a waste of time. We will continue to practice and improve. Pulse can continue to 1 v server so he can finally get a challenge. We both win.

SniffyCube.6107:

I think we can really learn a lesson from these forums.

I can’t speak for other servers, but ET we’re better than this. Why do people get on here just to complain about numbers? It’s obvious they have more but it’s also not the only reason they win in some situations. Sure it’s the backbone of the score right now but I’m talking more of the individual group fights / open fights that happen (because it’s really easy to defend a fully upgraded tower / keep), but they aren’t all bad and trying to slam them just makes you seem really childish.

I have not been trying to slam them, but the truth hurts. Everyone that ever fought them, even after they asked for an honest critique, has told them the same thing. They have the numbers but not the skill.

Their hostility to that assessment is where all the drama lies, not in the assessment itself. Case in point when ET asked for an honest assessment, we did not get much of a better score then SF with the analysis of “made of glass”, however, we at ET have politely accepted that and moved on.

Take that as you will.

To be completely honest, your claim sounds as believable as “I pulled 8 people from VK and we picked off 15 Agg guys before the rest of them veiled out and waypointed. They were being led by J E R I C H O. This occured 4-5 times.”

I have no evidence.

And since you admitted you would get owned in a GvG, it makes it about as believable seeing as how we got owned in a GvG to the group that I “claim” to have wiped half of.

It really isn’t believable lol.

Lol @ [seed] forum warriors. We were running a 9 man squad. We wiped you 4 times, you wiped us 2 times. 9v10. 1 of the 2 times you wiped us was at north camp with 4 ballistas, the guild LH next to you, and about 10 more pugs in the camp. Congrats? I’m glad your honored enough to come on the forums to bloat about beating a group that cant even fill 2 parties.

Ungood.3054:

SniffyCube.6107:

I think we can really learn a lesson from these forums.

I can’t speak for other servers, but ET we’re better than this. Why do people get on here just to complain about numbers? It’s obvious they have more but it’s also not the only reason they win in some situations. Sure it’s the backbone of the score right now but I’m talking more of the individual group fights / open fights that happen (because it’s really easy to defend a fully upgraded tower / keep), but they aren’t all bad and trying to slam them just makes you seem really childish.

I have not been trying to slam them, but the truth hurts. Everyone that ever fought them, even after they asked for an honest critique, has told them the same thing. They have the numbers but not the skill.

Their hostility to that assessment is where all the drama lies, not in the assessment itself. Case in point when ET asked for an honest assessment, we did not get much of a better score then SF with the analysis of “made of glass”, however, we at ET have politely accepted that and moved on.

Take that as you will.

Comments like this need to stop. It would be okay if you didn’t have a sig but you represent a large guild on ET and people see what you say about SF thinking we all have the same opinions.

They might be glassy sure but glassy =/= bad. Our players are the same way, so why do they win some open field fights? They aren’t always outnumbered and I’ve seen our pugs do some pretty stupid stuff as well. People are people, stop discriminating against a whole server… everyone has bad or new players, but because they have more players and we aer going against them we notice a lot more of their blunders, and I bet it’s the same with them… you aren’t really looking at your guys as much as them so they probably think we make more mistakes.

As far as Vk’s comments on glassy, I have a similar stance as the poster of the glassy comment: I threw out an honest opinion … and don’t want to get into this drama

Ofc no offense to anyone, including yourself… we all know they have the population but why keep bringing it up? Anet has said they are working on it (for how much or little faith people have in that statement). It isn’t their fault they’re here.

It’s impossible to make these forums flame-free, but we can try to make them more enjoyable for people (and I’m guilty of the flaming as well).

At the risk of getting yet another infraction for whatever reason, you sure had an awful lot of clones then, it would be hard to hit you with ballistas that weren’t constructed yet, (I already said we had pugs) and LH wasn’t with us.

Keep in mind [seed], that its hard to find a VK group of 30 around in FC because there arent even 30 of us on the server LOL

The objective reason why SF isn’t as good as a whole is pretty simple: ET and FC were both medium population servers and hence got a lot of transfers from higher tiers who have more experience and knowledge of how to world vs world. SF simply didn’t because they were a high population server, and even then let’s face it, SF has gotten a lot of (frankly undeserved) flak as a whole for eating ET and FC alive before the transfers started so it’s unlikely anyone would transfer to them in the first place. It’s kind of like how when SoS and JQ were both recruiting before free xfers ended, JQ got far more guilds than SoS did. And they still are in terms of PPT.

As a disinterested third party, let me add something to the skill v number discussion regarding SF/ET/FC.

First – Can we all admit SF has quite a large population? I haven’t been through tiers 7, 6, or 5 too recently, but back when FA was in T5….I think you guys have more people than us. Also, does SF just stay up late or do you guys have a significant overnight presence (NA centric overnght)?

Second – When you have the numbers, you dont’ need to worry about the skills and everything just kind of bleeds together – on both fronts. After FA had grown in population, we received similar critiques – you guys have no skills. You just zerg. So forth. I believe there are two things going on here:

(a) When you have that big of a population advantage (as we did) you don’t need to utilize complex strategies or skills and I’m sure after weeks of the same thing for SF….it’s pretty hard for them to be motivated to try new stuff (it’s like using superior blue prints when you know you can just PvDoor it real fast so why waste the money).

(b) On the flip side, with what I believe to be a large population advantage, it’s easy for the bads to get right in there with the goods and all blend in. On ET/FC, you guys have gotten pounded so long you probably consist of more hardcore individuals. On SF, their population permits the greenest PvEr to get out there and try to crack skulls and just stick to the zergs for safety. The bigger question is, will these people still show up when SF breaks out of T8?

If I were on SF, I’d be working on community development right now to make sure the population doesn’t turn fairweather after the first challenge. I don’t mean that as an insult to SF, but rather a comment on humanity. I have to say, I read the threads about SF and T8 before moving down, but I didn’t really anticipate this level of disparity.

I don’t mean any of this as a knock on SF, so please don’t take it that way. I hope you guys either find great competition in T8, or if you make it out, make it far up the tiers. I truly believe you have the raw materials to do it.

We have quite a few mesmers in VK. It was a 9 Man squad and about 13 when 4 pugs came into teamspeak to run with us later on for the 4th time we wiped you. I would have said good fights but coming onto the forums to read hurr durr we wiped 30 VK 5 times. First of all we had 9, 2nd of all that is untrue. Anyways, lets stop this nonsense and bring the topic back to where it was. Someone was saying SF had lots of numbers? As someone who came from Tier 2 and Tier 3 before that I would say SF has numbers of a tier 3 server.

Haldunius.7864:

As a disinterested third party, let me add something to the skill v number discussion regarding SF/ET/FC.

First – Can we all admit SF has quite a large population? I haven’t been through tiers 7, 6, or 5 too recently, but back when FA was in T5….I think you guys have more people than us. Also, does SF just stay up late or do you guys have a significant overnight presence (NA centric overnght)?

Second – When you have the numbers, you dont’ need to worry about the skills and everything just kind of bleeds together – on both fronts. After FA had grown in population, we received similar critiques – you guys have no skills. You just zerg. So forth. I believe there are two things going on here:

(a) When you have that big of a population advantage (as we did) you don’t need to utilize complex strategies or skills and I’m sure after weeks of the same thing for SF….it’s pretty hard for them to be motivated to try new stuff (it’s like using superior blue prints when you know you can just PvDoor it real fast so why waste the money).

(b) On the flip side, with what I believe to be a large population advantage, it’s easy for the bads to get right in there with the goods and all blend in. On ET/FC, you guys have gotten pounded so long you probably consist of more hardcore individuals. On SF, their population permits the greenest PvEr to get out there and try to crack skulls and just stick to the zergs for safety. The bigger question is, will these people still show up when SF breaks out of T8?

If I were on SF, I’d be working on community development right now to make sure the population doesn’t turn fairweather after the first challenge. I don’t mean that as an insult to SF, but rather a comment on humanity. I have to say, I read the threads about SF and T8 before moving down, but I didn’t really anticipate this level of disparity.

I don’t mean any of this as a knock on SF, so please don’t take it that way. I hope you guys either find great competition in T8, or if you make it out, make it far up the tiers. I truly believe you have the raw materials to do it.

None of that was taken as a knock, in fact this is exactly the feedback I was asking for when you guys first came down. We’ve already taken quite a few steps that match your suggestions, and working further to cover other gaps that we are aware of.

And yes, I can almost predict with a certainty right now, that when we get hit harder, we are going to lose some of our WvW population, it happened when we started dropping from t6, I see no reason why it wouldn’t again. It would give us more incentive to improve on the areas we are already trying though.

That being said, thank you again for your feedback.

Half of these posts don’t even make sense.

See y’all on the battlefield, where true warriors fight.

/salute

SniffyCube.6107:

Ungood.3054:

I have not been trying to slam them, but the truth hurts. Everyone that ever fought them, even after they asked for an honest critique, has told them the same thing. They have the numbers but not the skill.

Their hostility to that assessment is where all the drama lies, not in the assessment itself. Case in point when ET asked for an honest assessment, we did not get much of a better score then SF with the analysis of “made of glass”, however, we at ET have politely accepted that and moved on.

Take that as you will.

Comments like this need to stop.

Like what exactly? That ET accepts that we have issues, and need to work on things?

That we can’t give an honest breakdown of what we think of a servers skill overall? Are we to gauge every 1v1 battle, or every 3v3 battle on a server as a whole? We make our calls on what we know, what we have seen, and what we endure.

There is no doubt that SF has skilled players, every server has their masters and skilled players. This is just the nature of the game and gamers as a whole.

But, when it comes to battles on the field, this is what I have seen. I see in most Siege and battles, SF out numbers us, I see that in some of those cases, we win, other times we lose. And, lets be real here, ET is not some super WvW server. We are disorganized on the field, spouting the same problems of people not following commanders, but still we beat larger forces then our own. What do we attribute that to?

Well, that would be something called the Homogenization effect. What that means is when you put together a large group of people they will equalize to a uniform skill level. Big words to mean the Noobs bring down the Pros so that everyone becomes Average Joe.

So when you hit a field battle, or siege fight, you are not playing against 20 – 30 individual players, but two forces that have equalized to a skill level. What that means is that if One group has 50 people and the other 30 and the 30 people beat the 50 then the people in the 30 squad homogenized at a higher skill level then the 50 people. That is not to mean that each group did not have highly skilled players, or poorly skilled players. But the overall skill of the group is affected by the majority of the players.

If SF is fielding larger forces, the reality as it may be, they may have a lot of numbers that are, if I could throw a word out, I would say, maybe apathetic about WvW and are only in for the fun of the fight, maybe get a badge, or a kill, but they are not serious.

However, the use of bolstered numbers has proven in history to be a great tactic to win, This is a great post on the subject.

Now. Ok. if it makes me a bad guy to point that out, I guess it does. It does my server a disservice to say “SF you need to step up your game if you want to pull out, right now you have the numbers but that is not enough”

Then it makes me a bad guy to say that. I hope that they will one day listen, reflect, and go “hey, maybe we need to do more then what we are doing if we want to really pull out” but I see I was wrong on that stand.

Sorry for that offending some people.

See, that’s perfect, it’s unfortunate most posts aren’t anything like that.

We had fun harrassing you guys in EB today with our 15 man squad.

Loken.9724:

We had fun harrassing you guys in EB today with our 15 man squad.

Are you talking bout next to Langor? Omg FoE was in there like, screw it, let VK kill SF when they are trying to push in. We just sat back and held the hole in the wall for about 30 minutes from the hordes of SF trying to cap it. Our scout was like “VK to the left, now right.. under the bridge… pushing into SF.”

You guys looked organized which is very nice to see across the firing lines. Major props for coming head-on into a 50v40 with considerable less numbers.