My server doesn't have an off peak population
Excellent question. Unfortunately, logic and reason does not seem to apply. The obvious as you have stated above is ignored as long as the users remain emotional about pixels they don’t own.
Its now 8pm where I am (GMT+8), Oceanic prime time and offpeak for the US. I look at the US server list and only 3 servers are medium – Devona’s Rest, Eredon Terrace and Kaineng. Every other server is High.
So tell me this, if all bar 3 servers are High pop in US offpeak hours then why are people complaining that they can’t field a night crew? You have the people! They are on your server! Go encourage them to play!
Because the overall population of servers is irrelevant. You cannot force people to play wvw who do not want to. The relevant numbers are the people who actually queue up and play in wvw. That number is currently massively imbalanced several times a day. The question is do the people playing off peak hours want competition or do they just want to continue capping empty keeps and towers. The solution lies with the off peak hours wvw players spreading themselves out amongst the servers. Either that happens and we all have some good close matches or it doesn’t and we continue seeing ridiculous scores.
I play during NA primetime on a server that doesn’t have a queue when I log in. So nothing I can do will actually matter. That being said it really doesn’t matter to me either way. When I play the maps fill up and we have great fights all night long. If you can say the same then don’t worry about it. If you are on a server that is capping the entire map when you are online then you are part of the problem.
Its now 8pm where I am (GMT+8), Oceanic prime time and offpeak for the US. I look at the US server list and only 3 servers are medium – Devona’s Rest, Eredon Terrace and Kaineng. Every other server is High.
So tell me this, if all bar 3 servers are High pop in US offpeak hours then why are people complaining that they can’t field a night crew? You have the people! They are on your server! Go encourage them to play!
Because the overall population of servers is irrelevant. You cannot force people to play wvw who do not want to. The relevant numbers are the people who actually queue up and play in wvw. That number is currently massively imbalanced several times a day. The question is do the people playing off peak hours want competition or do they just want to continue capping empty keeps and towers. The solution lies with the off peak hours wvw players spreading themselves out amongst the servers. Either that happens and we all have some good close matches or it doesn’t and we continue seeing ridiculous scores.
I play during NA primetime on a server that doesn’t have a queue when I log in. So nothing I can do will actually matter. That being said it really doesn’t matter to me either way. When I play the maps fill up and we have great fights all night long. If you can say the same then don’t worry about it. If you are on a server that is capping the entire map when you are online then you are part of the problem.
If almost all the servers have a high pop during off peak then they all have the potential to field decent sized off peak teams. Maybe people should try tapping that pool of potential WvWvW’rs instead of making assumptions and blaming ANet for all their woes.
If almost all the servers have a high pop during off peak then they all have the potential to field decent sized off peak teams. Maybe people should try tapping that pool of potential WvWvW’rs instead of making assumptions and blaming ANet for all their woes.
As I said, when I play everything is even and very competitive. If you have no desire to transfer and help even out the playing field during your playtime there is not much I can do about it. I am not going to lose sleep trying to convince people playing in a different time slot that they want to wvw. I would think you might be interested in developing the competition when you play.
NA primetime is very competitive amongst most of the servers. If you are satisfied with the competitiveness of the time you play then don’t worry about it.
If you have no desire to transfer and help even out the playing field during your playtime there is not much I can do about it. I am not going to lose sleep trying to convince people playing in a different time slot that they want to wvw. I would think you might be interested in developing the competition when you play.
Herein lies the problem if the majority think the same way. Why? Because it puts the onus on someone else to fix the problem, whether it be ANet or the off peak players. If everyone wants someone else to fix things then nothing will ever get fixed.
The reality is that the top US alliances fixed their own problem in order to be competitive. If the people on a server aren’t willing to make an effort then they have noone but themselves to blame.
Update: 2 hours after my original post and the US server populations are still 3 medium and the rest high.
Herein lies the problem if the majority think the same way. Why? Because it puts the onus on someone else to fix the problem, whether it be ANet or the off peak players. If everyone wants someone else to fix things then nothing will ever get fixed.
The reality is that the top US alliances fixed their own problem in order to be competitive. If the people on a server aren’t willing to make an effort then they have noone but themselves to blame.
Update: 2 hours after my original post and the US server populations are still 3 medium and the rest high.
That is nice except you are doing the same thing. Putting the onus on someone else to fix the problem. The difference is the time I am able to play the game wvw is evenly populated (most servers reach their caps in the time period). So all I can do is recruit more people to fill up queues.
If the maps are evenly matched when you play then you have nothing to worry about. If the maps are not evenly matched and one side vastly outnumbers the opposition when you play then you are in a position to help change that and I am not. It really is that simple.
Herein lies the problem if the majority think the same way. Why? Because it puts the onus on someone else to fix the problem, whether it be ANet or the off peak players. If everyone wants someone else to fix things then nothing will ever get fixed.
The reality is that the top US alliances fixed their own problem in order to be competitive. If the people on a server aren’t willing to make an effort then they have noone but themselves to blame.
Update: 2 hours after my original post and the US server populations are still 3 medium and the rest high.
That is nice except you are doing the same thing. Putting the onus on someone else to fix the problem. The difference is the time I am able to play the game wvw is evenly populated (most servers reach their caps in the time period). So all I can do is recruit more people to fill up queues.
If the maps are evenly matched when you play then you have nothing to worry about. If the maps are not evenly matched and one side vastly outnumbers the opposition when you play then you are in a position to help change that and I am not. It really is that simple.
Actually I’m not putting the onus on anyone, as far as I’m concerned the fix is already place – server ranking. People are just not patient enough to let the ranking system sort out fairer matchups.
What I am trying to point out is that majority of servers do actually have the potential to fix their own off peak problems if they care to try. There are at least 4 US servers that already have, what is stopping the others from at least trying?
Its now 8pm where I am (GMT+8), Oceanic prime time and offpeak for the US. I look at the US server list and only 3 servers are medium – Devona’s Rest, Eredon Terrace and Kaineng. Every other server is High.
So tell me this, if all bar 3 servers are High pop in US offpeak hours then why are people complaining that they can’t field a night crew? You have the people! They are on your server! Go encourage them to play!
Because it shows the Population of the server and not the actual population of the current pops at the present time. They need to do this to keep people from transferring during off peak hours. So your analogy is flawed.
Its now 8pm where I am (GMT+8), Oceanic prime time and offpeak for the US. I look at the US server list and only 3 servers are medium – Devona’s Rest, Eredon Terrace and Kaineng. Every other server is High.
So tell me this, if all bar 3 servers are High pop in US offpeak hours then why are people complaining that they can’t field a night crew? You have the people! They are on your server! Go encourage them to play!
The population is high for the server but not necessarily high for WvW. You can’t encourage people to play WvW – nobody can encourage me to go play PvE or sPvP. You would understand this if you put yourself in others shoes – especially the shoes of people who don’t like PvP nor WvW.
Its now 8pm where I am (GMT+8), Oceanic prime time and offpeak for the US. I look at the US server list and only 3 servers are medium – Devona’s Rest, Eredon Terrace and Kaineng. Every other server is High.
So tell me this, if all bar 3 servers are High pop in US offpeak hours then why are people complaining that they can’t field a night crew? You have the people! They are on your server! Go encourage them to play!
The population is high for the server but not necessarily high for WvW. You can’t encourage people to play WvW – nobody can encourage me to go play PvE or sPvP. You would understand this if you put yourself in others shoes – especially the shoes of people who don’t like PvP nor WvW.
I do understand it, I’ve been in those shoes myself before. And having been in those shoes I can tell you that a lot of people get turned off WvW (and PvP in general) because of the mindless zerg. Show them organised fighting and its a world of difference.
I do understand it, I’ve been in those shoes myself before. And having been in those shoes I can tell you that a lot of people get turned off WvW (and PvP in general) because of the mindless zerg. Show them organised fighting and its a world of difference.
I disagree. The vast majority of people who play MMO’s never participate in pvp. The pvp crowd is a minority. I play pretty much exclusively in wvw and think it’s great, but I realize the majority of the player base does not share that opinion.
I think it would be more productive to spread the actual pvp players out amongst the servers than to try and convince a large group of pve players that getting curb stomped repeatedly by organized pvp guilds is fun. Once the pvp players are spread more evenly then you can get non pvp players to come out and play when they will have actual experienced pvp players to help them.
I think it would be more productive to spread the actual pvp players out amongst the servers than to try and convince a large group of pve players that getting curb stomped repeatedly by organized pvp guilds is fun. Once the pvp players are spread more evenly then you can get non pvp players to come out and play when they will have actual experienced pvp players to help them.
The problem of course being that many pvp players just want to win so won’t willingly spread out. This is where the ranking system comes into play though.