Guild Wars 2

The winner up/loser down would not work. You would just have the first place server in each tier move up and get wrecked and the 3rd place server would move down and dominate.

My server made it’s way up to T2 and since then, because of the competition we have become much better over the weeks. This would not be possible if we were moving between getting beat and dominating every other week. You would get a lot of servers that would not have the chace to improve. The problem is that there are to many servers that are .5 better than the tier they are in. They are batter than the tier they are in but not good enough to move up. I don’t know what the solution is other than creating more servers and hope they fill up to fill the gaps.

Mad Rasputin.7809:

Obviously, SF deserved to move down to T8 and fill the void left by a departing Kaineng.

But no server should be stuck in the mire of T8. Every server should have the reasonable opportunity to move up or down. Not be stagnant.

A server who wins for 8-10 weeks straight (especially with dominating wins) should be allowed to move up and test their skill at the next level. Even if Glicko doesn’t agree.

I’d hate it for HoD if they did move down to T8 and faced the same issue SF is now facing. Which would very likely happen to them if they do move down.

Agreed.

I just, not take offense, not sure of the word for it… It ?stings? always having HoD thrown out as sacrificial lamb in these threads, when we don’t deserve to be stuck in t8 any more than SF, or anyone else for that matter, do. I really like SF. The 2 GoM/SF/HoD weeks were some of my favorite WvW weeks.

I personally hope for a more dynamic tier system. Yeah you might get a week where someone way overmatched comes down into your bracket and spanks you, but at least it would be something different, and they’d be gone in a week and you’d get something new each week instead of the same stale matchups over and over and over.

I like SF.

FCers, put down your hayforks and torches and listen. You can keep the bonfire going though, that is kind of cozy.

I started in WVW this Monday and have been doing it every day since. What struck me is that the majority of SF does not seem to bother with any of the “jump/dance on your corpse” stuff. I’ve not seen them do it to anyone else, and I only ever had it happen to me once, by someone in the KING guild.

Maybe my experience is the exception and they have actually been really jerky, but based on that and what I’ve seen from SFers here on the forums, and my encounters with Zen I like them.

I saw us in FC act like a bunch of jerks that way last night, though. Lots of the dance/jump on corpse stuff, a creepy incident of someone specifically doing it on the face of the deaddie. I saw nothing that would explain it. SFers had not done any exploiting or anything, (though they were making a surprising use of strategy for once rather than the mindless zerg thundercloud. Were you guys bored? Or were we that entertaining? ) It really soured my experience for a while. :/ It might just be that I’m from a different gaming culture, or am a “carebear” but I don’t see a reason why we can’t get along and have a fun time killing each other.

Yes, SF is dominating and gets more badges out of my corpse than ET ever has a chance to. On the flipside that means I also get more badges from SF. I think I’ve killed… two ETs? Out of my 48 badges so far.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Side note: why is his username making the system input kitten towards the end of it?

mginkitten02

n . 4 5 I don’t know what’s offensive about that

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.

Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).

Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.

Kay.5416:

I like SF.

FCers, put down your hayforks and torches and listen. You can keep the bonfire going though, that is kind of cozy.

I started in WVW this Monday and have been doing it every day since. What struck me is that the majority of SF does not seem to bother with any of the “jump/dance on your corpse” stuff. I’ve not seen them do it to anyone else, and I only ever had it happen to me once, by someone in the KING guild.

Maybe my experience is the exception and they have actually been really jerky, but based on that and what I’ve seen from SFers here on the forums, and my encounters with Zen I like them.

I saw us in FC act like a bunch of jerks that way last night, though. Lots of the dance/jump on corpse stuff, a creepy incident of someone specifically doing it on the face of the deaddie. I saw nothing that would explain it. SFers had not done any exploiting or anything, (though they were making a surprising use of strategy for once rather than the mindless zerg thundercloud. Were you guys bored? Or were we that entertaining? ) It really soured my experience for a while. :/ It might just be that I’m from a different gaming culture, or am a “carebear” but I don’t see a reason why we can’t get along and have a fun time killing each other.

Yes, SF is dominating and gets more badges out of my corpse than ET ever has a chance to. On the flipside that means I also get more badges from SF. I think I’ve killed… two ETs? Out of my 48 badges so far.

Love the post. There are people on every server that do those things. I can only speak for SF but I know we try to quash that stuff when we see it. A few weeks ago it was more prevalent on all sides in T8 but it seems to have gone away. I haven’t seen it much at all in this last week for sure.

I do want to say that I do sit or sleep on corpses that stay at a battlesite long after the place is captured. I do this to let them know I do not appreciate them staying to spy on what we are doing. I completely understand what they are doing, I do the same thing. But I can try to discourage it without disrespecting them with dancing, laughing, etc.

You will get there. I got 48+ badges last night alone, a lot from taking ET keep in EB (which was a nice long fight). LOL, and messing with whoever was fighting the overgrown grub! That was fun!

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.

Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).

Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.

If we didn’t have people give up a couple of weeks ago we would have been out of here also if you look at the score board history we never lost points during our domination until two weeks ago. (except the first week we won in the tier)

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.

Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).

Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.

Hence the +/- right before the figure.

mginkitten02:

Mad Rasputin.7809:

Obviously, SF deserved to move down to T8 and fill the void left by a departing Kaineng.

But no server should be stuck in the mire of T8. Every server should have the reasonable opportunity to move up or down. Not be stagnant.

A server who wins for 8-10 weeks straight (especially with dominating wins) should be allowed to move up and test their skill at the next level. Even if Glicko doesn’t agree.

I’d hate it for HoD if they did move down to T8 and faced the same issue SF is now facing. Which would very likely happen to them if they do move down.

Agreed.

I just, not take offense, not sure of the word for it… It ?stings? always having HoD thrown out as sacrificial lamb in these threads, when we don’t deserve to be stuck in t8 any more than SF, or anyone else for that matter, do. I really like SF. The 2 GoM/SF/HoD weeks were some of my favorite WvW weeks.

I personally hope for a more dynamic tier system. Yeah you might get a week where someone way overmatched comes down into your bracket and spanks you, but at least it would be something different, and they’d be gone in a week and you’d get something new each week instead of the same stale matchups over and over and over.

sorry, hod is kind of a scapegoat here. if gom was in your place, or anyone else, wed be saying their name instead. perhaps we should say the t7 red server instead. but its looooooonger

Ruprect.7260:

The winner up/loser down would not work. You would just have the first place server in each tier move up and get wrecked and the 3rd place server would move down and dominate.

My server made it’s way up to T2 and since then, because of the competition we have become much better over the weeks. This would not be possible if we were moving between getting beat and dominating every other week. You would get a lot of servers that would not have the chace to improve. The problem is that there are to many servers that are .5 better than the tier they are in. They are batter than the tier they are in but not good enough to move up. I don’t know what the solution is other than creating more servers and hope they fill up to fill the gaps.

I agree, there are a lot of tween-er servers. Not sure though that creating more servers would necessarily even fix it, unless ANet incentivizes populating those servers and in a way that evens everything out.

Adding more servers I could see as just adding empty servers to a tier 9+ or everyone would flock to them and they’d just bump everyone down.

I just don’t know that there is a good solution without forced repopulations, which I think would be terrible. It’s probable we’re stuck with what we have, and someone is always going to be stuck where they don’t want to be.

mginkitten02:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Side note: why is his username making the system input kitten towards the end of it?

mginkitten02

n . 4 5 I don’t know what’s offensive about that

Ya, weird.

insanemaniac.2456:

mginkitten02:

Mad Rasputin.7809:

Obviously, SF deserved to move down to T8 and fill the void left by a departing Kaineng.

But no server should be stuck in the mire of T8. Every server should have the reasonable opportunity to move up or down. Not be stagnant.

A server who wins for 8-10 weeks straight (especially with dominating wins) should be allowed to move up and test their skill at the next level. Even if Glicko doesn’t agree.

I’d hate it for HoD if they did move down to T8 and faced the same issue SF is now facing. Which would very likely happen to them if they do move down.

Agreed.

I just, not take offense, not sure of the word for it… It ?stings? always having HoD thrown out as sacrificial lamb in these threads, when we don’t deserve to be stuck in t8 any more than SF, or anyone else for that matter, do. I really like SF. The 2 GoM/SF/HoD weeks were some of my favorite WvW weeks.

I personally hope for a more dynamic tier system. Yeah you might get a week where someone way overmatched comes down into your bracket and spanks you, but at least it would be something different, and they’d be gone in a week and you’d get something new each week instead of the same stale matchups over and over and over.

sorry, hod is kind of a scapegoat here. if gom was in your place, or anyone else, wed be saying their name instead. perhaps we should say the t7 red server instead. but its looooooonger

That’s much more P.C. Let’s go with that! Convenience is for the weak!

To be perfectly honest, there are corpse dancers/laughers in every server, and in every tier. It happens, which does seem to sour anyones mood ( if its happening to you, or you see others do it) i tend to try and enforce refraining from such actions to my fellow guildies.

To SF, i have no ill wills toward your server for winning. Been in FC since day one, and love it here. Been here when DR, than followed by Kain as they dominated the server and eventually moved on. To be honest, i like fighting against SF, gives me and the other soloers in my guild/server time and practice to take on what would seem suicidal odds, and be able to escape, or take a few with us when you spike is down.

To my fellow FC’s and our opponents ET, take this chance to learn and develop new siege offense/defensive tactics to make us stronger in the long run. Eventuallt we will meet a match for WvW that is perfect for our numbers. We can than use what we learned to show the new server what we learned, and how to create great siege placemen/tactics.

And a shoutout to KING on SF, love fighting your guild, always fun testing all my alts against you

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.

Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).

Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.

Hence the +/- right before the figure.

Considering that we’ve been dominating for only half the time of your “+/- 3 months of domination,” that’s an incredibly wide variance for that +/-. As someone who uses +/- quite frequently in her profession, it’s usually used as a stand in for “roughly.” As in, “I don’t have the precise number, but this is a pretty close and accurate rough figure.” And we’re nowhere near dominating for “roughly 3 months” yet. 3 months is basically doubling the time period that we’ve actually been dominating the tier and hyperinflates the figure.

I advise you to start using “+/- 1.5 months” for a more accurate description of the situation.

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.

Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).

Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.

Hence the +/- right before the figure.

Considering that we’ve been dominating for only half the time of your “+/- 3 months of domination,” that’s an incredibly wide variance for that +/-. As someone who uses +/- quite frequently in her profession, it’s usually used as a stand in for “roughly.” As in, “I don’t have the precise number, but this is a pretty close and accurate rough figure.” And we’re nowhere near dominating for “roughly 3 months” yet. 3 months is basically doubling the time period that we’ve actually been dominating the tier and hyperinflates the figure.

I advise you to start using “+/- 1.5 months” for a more accurate description of the situation.

Thanks for the advice but does it really matter?

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.

Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).

Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.

Hence the +/- right before the figure.

Considering that we’ve been dominating for only half the time of your “+/- 3 months of domination,” that’s an incredibly wide variance for that +/-. As someone who uses +/- quite frequently in her profession, it’s usually used as a stand in for “roughly.” As in, “I don’t have the precise number, but this is a pretty close and accurate rough figure.” And we’re nowhere near dominating for “roughly 3 months” yet. 3 months is basically doubling the time period that we’ve actually been dominating the tier and hyperinflates the figure.

I advise you to start using “+/- 1.5 months” for a more accurate description of the situation.

Technically, it’s 2.5 now. Unless you’re referring to the roflstomping, in which case 1.5 – 2 is more accurate.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Kay.5416:

I like SF.

FCers, put down your hayforks and torches and listen. You can keep the bonfire going though, that is kind of cozy.

I started in WVW this Monday and have been doing it every day since. What struck me is that the majority of SF does not seem to bother with any of the “jump/dance on your corpse” stuff. I’ve not seen them do it to anyone else, and I only ever had it happen to me once, by someone in the KING guild.

Maybe my experience is the exception and they have actually been really jerky, but based on that and what I’ve seen from SFers here on the forums, and my encounters with Zen I like them.

I saw us in FC act like a bunch of jerks that way last night, though. Lots of the dance/jump on corpse stuff, a creepy incident of someone specifically doing it on the face of the deaddie. I saw nothing that would explain it. SFers had not done any exploiting or anything, (though they were making a surprising use of strategy for once rather than the mindless zerg thundercloud. Were you guys bored? Or were we that entertaining? ) It really soured my experience for a while. :/ It might just be that I’m from a different gaming culture, or am a “carebear” but I don’t see a reason why we can’t get along and have a fun time killing each other.

Yes, SF is dominating and gets more badges out of my corpse than ET ever has a chance to. On the flipside that means I also get more badges from SF. I think I’ve killed… two ETs? Out of my 48 badges so far.

Love the post. There are people on every server that do those things. I can only speak for SF but I know we try to quash that stuff when we see it. A few weeks ago it was more prevalent on all sides in T8 but it seems to have gone away. I haven’t seen it much at all in this last week for sure.

I do want to say that I do sit or sleep on corpses that stay at a battlesite long after the place is captured. I do this to let them know I do not appreciate them staying to spy on what we are doing. I completely understand what they are doing, I do the same thing. But I can try to discourage it without disrespecting them with dancing, laughing, etc.

You will get there. I got 48+ badges last night alone, a lot from taking ET keep in EB (which was a nice long fight). LOL, and messing with whoever was fighting the overgrown grub! That was fun!

That is what a shame ram is for. Then you don’t have to look like you are being a kitten.

FilthyRat.4652:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.

Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).

Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.

If we didn’t have people give up a couple of weeks ago we would have been out of here also if you look at the score board history we never lost points during our domination until two weeks ago. (except the first week we won in the tier)

I’m not 100% confident that that would have been the case. Sure, we did have folks who took a break to get some PvE stuff done. But we still do. The problem lies more with Glicko itself.

Glicko looks at past performance to project its expected future performance for the servers. If you look at the rating history for the Feb 15-22 match-up, we performed INCREDIBLY well that week. We had a final score of 384K, beating out the second place server by 252K that week (ET scored 132K during that match). Glicko expected us to perform the same or even better for the following match-up. Which is an unrealistic expectation compared to how we did in the match-ups up to that point. When we “only” won by 126K the following match-up (287K for us vs. 161K for ET), Glicko punished us with a massive 53 rating backslide for “underperforming.” The problem is, that 126K win wasn’t “underperforming.” It was actually within a reasonable variance of the point spreads for the vast majority of our blowout wins up until that point. The 252K win was anomalous based on our past performance. However, Glicko established a new expectation for how we should perform based on that anomalous match, and we were penalized heavily for it.

The rating math had a LOT more to do with our rating backslide than SFers “giving up.” We actually kinda screwed ourselves for trying too hard that one week.

Ruprect.7260:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Kay.5416:

I like SF.

FCers, put down your hayforks and torches and listen. You can keep the bonfire going though, that is kind of cozy.

I started in WVW this Monday and have been doing it every day since. What struck me is that the majority of SF does not seem to bother with any of the “jump/dance on your corpse” stuff. I’ve not seen them do it to anyone else, and I only ever had it happen to me once, by someone in the KING guild.

Maybe my experience is the exception and they have actually been really jerky, but based on that and what I’ve seen from SFers here on the forums, and my encounters with Zen I like them.

I saw us in FC act like a bunch of jerks that way last night, though. Lots of the dance/jump on corpse stuff, a creepy incident of someone specifically doing it on the face of the deaddie. I saw nothing that would explain it. SFers had not done any exploiting or anything, (though they were making a surprising use of strategy for once rather than the mindless zerg thundercloud. Were you guys bored? Or were we that entertaining? ) It really soured my experience for a while. :/ It might just be that I’m from a different gaming culture, or am a “carebear” but I don’t see a reason why we can’t get along and have a fun time killing each other.

Yes, SF is dominating and gets more badges out of my corpse than ET ever has a chance to. On the flipside that means I also get more badges from SF. I think I’ve killed… two ETs? Out of my 48 badges so far.

Love the post. There are people on every server that do those things. I can only speak for SF but I know we try to quash that stuff when we see it. A few weeks ago it was more prevalent on all sides in T8 but it seems to have gone away. I haven’t seen it much at all in this last week for sure.

I do want to say that I do sit or sleep on corpses that stay at a battlesite long after the place is captured. I do this to let them know I do not appreciate them staying to spy on what we are doing. I completely understand what they are doing, I do the same thing. But I can try to discourage it without disrespecting them with dancing, laughing, etc.

You will get there. I got 48+ badges last night alone, a lot from taking ET keep in EB (which was a nice long fight). LOL, and messing with whoever was fighting the overgrown grub! That was fun!

That is what a shame ram is for. Then you don’t have to look like you are being a kitten.

You mean build a flame ram on them?? Sacrilegious!!

If someone would rather run off a cliff to their death than fight me….than yes I will always laugh at them. I love to dance and shoot fireworks when spawn camping too, because there are three exits to every spawn and if gets them to keep charging out to give me badges and loot bags I will keep doing it.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.

Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).

Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.

Hence the +/- right before the figure.

Considering that we’ve been dominating for only half the time of your “+/- 3 months of domination,” that’s an incredibly wide variance for that +/-. As someone who uses +/- quite frequently in her profession, it’s usually used as a stand in for “roughly.” As in, “I don’t have the precise number, but this is a pretty close and accurate rough figure.” And we’re nowhere near dominating for “roughly 3 months” yet. 3 months is basically doubling the time period that we’ve actually been dominating the tier and hyperinflates the figure.

I advise you to start using “+/- 1.5 months” for a more accurate description of the situation.

Thanks for the advice but does it really matter?

It may feel like 3 months, we’re nowhere near that time frame yet. Let’s keep things as accurate as possible. ’Cause accuracy always matters.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Ruprect.7260:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Kay.5416:

I like SF.

FCers, put down your hayforks and torches and listen. You can keep the bonfire going though, that is kind of cozy.

I started in WVW this Monday and have been doing it every day since. What struck me is that the majority of SF does not seem to bother with any of the “jump/dance on your corpse” stuff. I’ve not seen them do it to anyone else, and I only ever had it happen to me once, by someone in the KING guild.

Maybe my experience is the exception and they have actually been really jerky, but based on that and what I’ve seen from SFers here on the forums, and my encounters with Zen I like them.

I saw us in FC act like a bunch of jerks that way last night, though. Lots of the dance/jump on corpse stuff, a creepy incident of someone specifically doing it on the face of the deaddie. I saw nothing that would explain it. SFers had not done any exploiting or anything, (though they were making a surprising use of strategy for once rather than the mindless zerg thundercloud. Were you guys bored? Or were we that entertaining? ) It really soured my experience for a while. :/ It might just be that I’m from a different gaming culture, or am a “carebear” but I don’t see a reason why we can’t get along and have a fun time killing each other.

Yes, SF is dominating and gets more badges out of my corpse than ET ever has a chance to. On the flipside that means I also get more badges from SF. I think I’ve killed… two ETs? Out of my 48 badges so far.

Love the post. There are people on every server that do those things. I can only speak for SF but I know we try to quash that stuff when we see it. A few weeks ago it was more prevalent on all sides in T8 but it seems to have gone away. I haven’t seen it much at all in this last week for sure.

I do want to say that I do sit or sleep on corpses that stay at a battlesite long after the place is captured. I do this to let them know I do not appreciate them staying to spy on what we are doing. I completely understand what they are doing, I do the same thing. But I can try to discourage it without disrespecting them with dancing, laughing, etc.

You will get there. I got 48+ badges last night alone, a lot from taking ET keep in EB (which was a nice long fight). LOL, and messing with whoever was fighting the overgrown grub! That was fun!

That is what a shame ram is for. Then you don’t have to look like you are being a kitten.

You mean build a flame ram on them?? Sacrilegious!!

Don’t build it just drop one on them. There is no need to waste the supply. They know what they did

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.

Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).

Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.

Hence the +/- right before the figure.

Considering that we’ve been dominating for only half the time of your “+/- 3 months of domination,” that’s an incredibly wide variance for that +/-. As someone who uses +/- quite frequently in her profession, it’s usually used as a stand in for “roughly.” As in, “I don’t have the precise number, but this is a pretty close and accurate rough figure.” And we’re nowhere near dominating for “roughly 3 months” yet. 3 months is basically doubling the time period that we’ve actually been dominating the tier and hyperinflates the figure.

I advise you to start using “+/- 1.5 months” for a more accurate description of the situation.

Thanks for the advice but does it really matter?

Accuracy always matters.

LOL, to an accountant maybe. Never in complaining/whining.

Ruprect.7260:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Ruprect.7260:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Kay.5416:

I like SF.

FCers, put down your hayforks and torches and listen. You can keep the bonfire going though, that is kind of cozy.

I started in WVW this Monday and have been doing it every day since. What struck me is that the majority of SF does not seem to bother with any of the “jump/dance on your corpse” stuff. I’ve not seen them do it to anyone else, and I only ever had it happen to me once, by someone in the KING guild.

Maybe my experience is the exception and they have actually been really jerky, but based on that and what I’ve seen from SFers here on the forums, and my encounters with Zen I like them.

I saw us in FC act like a bunch of jerks that way last night, though. Lots of the dance/jump on corpse stuff, a creepy incident of someone specifically doing it on the face of the deaddie. I saw nothing that would explain it. SFers had not done any exploiting or anything, (though they were making a surprising use of strategy for once rather than the mindless zerg thundercloud. Were you guys bored? Or were we that entertaining? ) It really soured my experience for a while. :/ It might just be that I’m from a different gaming culture, or am a “carebear” but I don’t see a reason why we can’t get along and have a fun time killing each other.

Yes, SF is dominating and gets more badges out of my corpse than ET ever has a chance to. On the flipside that means I also get more badges from SF. I think I’ve killed… two ETs? Out of my 48 badges so far.

Love the post. There are people on every server that do those things. I can only speak for SF but I know we try to quash that stuff when we see it. A few weeks ago it was more prevalent on all sides in T8 but it seems to have gone away. I haven’t seen it much at all in this last week for sure.

I do want to say that I do sit or sleep on corpses that stay at a battlesite long after the place is captured. I do this to let them know I do not appreciate them staying to spy on what we are doing. I completely understand what they are doing, I do the same thing. But I can try to discourage it without disrespecting them with dancing, laughing, etc.

You will get there. I got 48+ badges last night alone, a lot from taking ET keep in EB (which was a nice long fight). LOL, and messing with whoever was fighting the overgrown grub! That was fun!

That is what a shame ram is for. Then you don’t have to look like you are being a kitten.

You mean build a flame ram on them?? Sacrilegious!!

Don’t build it just drop one on them. There is no need to waste the supply. They know what they did

But. but…. How can you disrespect the sanctity of the mighty Flame Ram???

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Ruprect.7260:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Ruprect.7260:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Kay.5416:

I like SF.

FCers, put down your hayforks and torches and listen. You can keep the bonfire going though, that is kind of cozy.

I started in WVW this Monday and have been doing it every day since. What struck me is that the majority of SF does not seem to bother with any of the “jump/dance on your corpse” stuff. I’ve not seen them do it to anyone else, and I only ever had it happen to me once, by someone in the KING guild.

Maybe my experience is the exception and they have actually been really jerky, but based on that and what I’ve seen from SFers here on the forums, and my encounters with Zen I like them.

I saw us in FC act like a bunch of jerks that way last night, though. Lots of the dance/jump on corpse stuff, a creepy incident of someone specifically doing it on the face of the deaddie. I saw nothing that would explain it. SFers had not done any exploiting or anything, (though they were making a surprising use of strategy for once rather than the mindless zerg thundercloud. Were you guys bored? Or were we that entertaining? ) It really soured my experience for a while. :/ It might just be that I’m from a different gaming culture, or am a “carebear” but I don’t see a reason why we can’t get along and have a fun time killing each other.

Yes, SF is dominating and gets more badges out of my corpse than ET ever has a chance to. On the flipside that means I also get more badges from SF. I think I’ve killed… two ETs? Out of my 48 badges so far.

Love the post. There are people on every server that do those things. I can only speak for SF but I know we try to quash that stuff when we see it. A few weeks ago it was more prevalent on all sides in T8 but it seems to have gone away. I haven’t seen it much at all in this last week for sure.

I do want to say that I do sit or sleep on corpses that stay at a battlesite long after the place is captured. I do this to let them know I do not appreciate them staying to spy on what we are doing. I completely understand what they are doing, I do the same thing. But I can try to discourage it without disrespecting them with dancing, laughing, etc.

You will get there. I got 48+ badges last night alone, a lot from taking ET keep in EB (which was a nice long fight). LOL, and messing with whoever was fighting the overgrown grub! That was fun!

That is what a shame ram is for. Then you don’t have to look like you are being a kitten.

You mean build a flame ram on them?? Sacrilegious!!

Don’t build it just drop one on them. There is no need to waste the supply. They know what they did

But. but…. How can you disrespect the sanctity of the mighty Flame Ram???

Lol were you from maguuma?

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.

Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).

Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.

Hence the +/- right before the figure.

Considering that we’ve been dominating for only half the time of your “+/- 3 months of domination,” that’s an incredibly wide variance for that +/-. As someone who uses +/- quite frequently in her profession, it’s usually used as a stand in for “roughly.” As in, “I don’t have the precise number, but this is a pretty close and accurate rough figure.” And we’re nowhere near dominating for “roughly 3 months” yet. 3 months is basically doubling the time period that we’ve actually been dominating the tier and hyperinflates the figure.

I advise you to start using “+/- 1.5 months” for a more accurate description of the situation.

Technically, it’s 2.5 now. Unless you’re referring to the roflstomping, in which case 1.5 – 2 is more accurate.

Considering Cantur was talking about “domination,” I was indeed referring to the roflstomping. See here for the start of the conversation.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Tier-8-Points-Extremely-Scewed/page/4#post1639869

Ruprect.7260:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Ruprect.7260:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Ruprect.7260:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Kay.5416:

I like SF.

FCers, put down your hayforks and torches and listen. You can keep the bonfire going though, that is kind of cozy.

I started in WVW this Monday and have been doing it every day since. What struck me is that the majority of SF does not seem to bother with any of the “jump/dance on your corpse” stuff. I’ve not seen them do it to anyone else, and I only ever had it happen to me once, by someone in the KING guild.

Maybe my experience is the exception and they have actually been really jerky, but based on that and what I’ve seen from SFers here on the forums, and my encounters with Zen I like them.

I saw us in FC act like a bunch of jerks that way last night, though. Lots of the dance/jump on corpse stuff, a creepy incident of someone specifically doing it on the face of the deaddie. I saw nothing that would explain it. SFers had not done any exploiting or anything, (though they were making a surprising use of strategy for once rather than the mindless zerg thundercloud. Were you guys bored? Or were we that entertaining? ) It really soured my experience for a while. :/ It might just be that I’m from a different gaming culture, or am a “carebear” but I don’t see a reason why we can’t get along and have a fun time killing each other.

Yes, SF is dominating and gets more badges out of my corpse than ET ever has a chance to. On the flipside that means I also get more badges from SF. I think I’ve killed… two ETs? Out of my 48 badges so far.

Love the post. There are people on every server that do those things. I can only speak for SF but I know we try to quash that stuff when we see it. A few weeks ago it was more prevalent on all sides in T8 but it seems to have gone away. I haven’t seen it much at all in this last week for sure.

I do want to say that I do sit or sleep on corpses that stay at a battlesite long after the place is captured. I do this to let them know I do not appreciate them staying to spy on what we are doing. I completely understand what they are doing, I do the same thing. But I can try to discourage it without disrespecting them with dancing, laughing, etc.

You will get there. I got 48+ badges last night alone, a lot from taking ET keep in EB (which was a nice long fight). LOL, and messing with whoever was fighting the overgrown grub! That was fun!

That is what a shame ram is for. Then you don’t have to look like you are being a kitten.

You mean build a flame ram on them?? Sacrilegious!!

Don’t build it just drop one on them. There is no need to waste the supply. They know what they did

But. but…. How can you disrespect the sanctity of the mighty Flame Ram???

Lol were you from maguuma?

Naw, as my sig says, I started on SF and haven’t/won’t move.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.

Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).

Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.

Hence the +/- right before the figure.

Considering that we’ve been dominating for only half the time of your “+/- 3 months of domination,” that’s an incredibly wide variance for that +/-. As someone who uses +/- quite frequently in her profession, it’s usually used as a stand in for “roughly.” As in, “I don’t have the precise number, but this is a pretty close and accurate rough figure.” And we’re nowhere near dominating for “roughly 3 months” yet. 3 months is basically doubling the time period that we’ve actually been dominating the tier and hyperinflates the figure.

I advise you to start using “+/- 1.5 months” for a more accurate description of the situation.

Thanks for the advice but does it really matter?

Accuracy always matters.

LOL, to an accountant maybe. Never in complaining/whining.

I’m not an accountant. But do deal with numbers and maths on a daily basis.

Basically, my point is to not double the number. It doesn’t lend credibility to your side of the argument.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.

Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).

Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.

Hence the +/- right before the figure.

Considering that we’ve been dominating for only half the time of your “+/- 3 months of domination,” that’s an incredibly wide variance for that +/-. As someone who uses +/- quite frequently in her profession, it’s usually used as a stand in for “roughly.” As in, “I don’t have the precise number, but this is a pretty close and accurate rough figure.” And we’re nowhere near dominating for “roughly 3 months” yet. 3 months is basically doubling the time period that we’ve actually been dominating the tier and hyperinflates the figure.

I advise you to start using “+/- 1.5 months” for a more accurate description of the situation.

Technically, it’s 2.5 now. Unless you’re referring to the roflstomping, in which case 1.5 – 2 is more accurate.

For some reason this really matters enough to make all these posts over something that really means nothing. When they could have just PM’d me.

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.

Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).

Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.

Hence the +/- right before the figure.

Considering that we’ve been dominating for only half the time of your “+/- 3 months of domination,” that’s an incredibly wide variance for that +/-. As someone who uses +/- quite frequently in her profession, it’s usually used as a stand in for “roughly.” As in, “I don’t have the precise number, but this is a pretty close and accurate rough figure.” And we’re nowhere near dominating for “roughly 3 months” yet. 3 months is basically doubling the time period that we’ve actually been dominating the tier and hyperinflates the figure.

I advise you to start using “+/- 1.5 months” for a more accurate description of the situation.

Thanks for the advice but does it really matter?

Accuracy always matters.

LOL, to an accountant maybe. Never in complaining/whining.

I’m not an accountant. But do deal with numbers and maths on a daily basis.

Basically, my point is to not double the number. It doesn’t lend credibility to your side of the argument.

LOL ok, you say tomato, I say tomato.

i would probably say 2 months +/- myself

and as for the dance/laugh/etc stuff... i’ve sat down next to dead bodies left in keeps and towers and whatnot. i’m saying "i see you, i know you’re waiting here to spy, or waiting for your hidden buddy to come res you. i’m watching." i’ve seen people from all 3 current tier 8 servers do the dance/laugh/point routine... heck, i had a SF T-bag me with a golem this morning (spamming 5 and moving before the "leave golem" command finished, so the golem kept bobbing up and down)

and as for the . 4 5 thing... the only things i can think of are the references to a caliber of firearm, OR a particular malt beverage associated with being favored by a certain demographic. other than that, i got no clue

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.

Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).

Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.

Hence the +/- right before the figure.

Considering that we’ve been dominating for only half the time of your “+/- 3 months of domination,” that’s an incredibly wide variance for that +/-. As someone who uses +/- quite frequently in her profession, it’s usually used as a stand in for “roughly.” As in, “I don’t have the precise number, but this is a pretty close and accurate rough figure.” And we’re nowhere near dominating for “roughly 3 months” yet. 3 months is basically doubling the time period that we’ve actually been dominating the tier and hyperinflates the figure.

I advise you to start using “+/- 1.5 months” for a more accurate description of the situation.

Thanks for the advice but does it really matter?

Accuracy always matters.

LOL, to an accountant maybe. Never in complaining/whining.

I’m not an accountant. But do deal with numbers and maths on a daily basis.

Basically, my point is to not double the number. It doesn’t lend credibility to your side of the argument.

LOL ok, you say tomato, I say tomato.

So tomahtoes are twice as large as tomaytoes? :p

katz.8376:

i would probably say 2 months +/- myself

and as for the dance/laugh/etc stuff… i’ve sat down next to dead bodies left in keeps and towers and whatnot. i’m saying “i see you, i know you’re waiting here to spy, or waiting for your hidden buddy to come res you. i’m watching.” i’ve seen people from all 3 current tier 8 servers do the dance/laugh/point routine… heck, i had a SF T-bag me with a golem this morning (spamming 5 and moving before the “leave golem” command finished, so the golem kept bobbing up and down)

and as for the . 4 5 thing… the only things i can think of are the references to a caliber of firearm, OR a particular malt beverage associated with being favored by a certain demographic. other than that, i got no clue

Good call on the gun or alcohol reference, didn’t think of that at all.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

katz.8376:

i would probably say 2 months +/- myself

and as for the dance/laugh/etc stuff… i’ve sat down next to dead bodies left in keeps and towers and whatnot. i’m saying “i see you, i know you’re waiting here to spy, or waiting for your hidden buddy to come res you. i’m watching.” i’ve seen people from all 3 current tier 8 servers do the dance/laugh/point routine… heck, i had a SF T-bag me with a golem this morning (spamming 5 and moving before the “leave golem” command finished, so the golem kept bobbing up and down)

and as for the . 4 5 thing… the only things i can think of are the references to a caliber of firearm, OR a particular malt beverage associated with being favored by a certain demographic. other than that, i got no clue

Good call on the gun or alcohol reference, didn’t think of that at all.

.45 isn’t censored though, n .45 is.
I had considered the same thing briefly.

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.

Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).

Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.

Hence the +/- right before the figure.

Considering that we’ve been dominating for only half the time of your “+/- 3 months of domination,” that’s an incredibly wide variance for that +/-. As someone who uses +/- quite frequently in her profession, it’s usually used as a stand in for “roughly.” As in, “I don’t have the precise number, but this is a pretty close and accurate rough figure.” And we’re nowhere near dominating for “roughly 3 months” yet. 3 months is basically doubling the time period that we’ve actually been dominating the tier and hyperinflates the figure.

I advise you to start using “+/- 1.5 months” for a more accurate description of the situation.

Thanks for the advice but does it really matter?

Accuracy always matters.

LOL, to an accountant maybe. Never in complaining/whining.

I’m not an accountant. But do deal with numbers and maths on a daily basis.

Basically, my point is to not double the number. It doesn’t lend credibility to your side of the argument.

LOL ok, you say tomato, I say tomato.

So tomahtoes are twice as large as tomaytoes? :p

See, now you are not spelling it right. :P

And as the other one’s said, it is not double. They seem to find a consensus at 2. Still not sure why you think you need to continue your banter about this as it means nothing. If someone uses a month or so difference to deem my entire arguments invalid then what they think really doesn’t matter since they are not looking at the big picture, just at ways to create drama instead of producing actual conversation about the topic.

EnRohbi.2187:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

katz.8376:

i would probably say 2 months +/- myself

and as for the dance/laugh/etc stuff… i’ve sat down next to dead bodies left in keeps and towers and whatnot. i’m saying “i see you, i know you’re waiting here to spy, or waiting for your hidden buddy to come res you. i’m watching.” i’ve seen people from all 3 current tier 8 servers do the dance/laugh/point routine… heck, i had a SF T-bag me with a golem this morning (spamming 5 and moving before the “leave golem” command finished, so the golem kept bobbing up and down)

and as for the . 4 5 thing… the only things i can think of are the references to a caliber of firearm, OR a particular malt beverage associated with being favored by a certain demographic. other than that, i got no clue

Good call on the gun or alcohol reference, didn’t think of that at all.

.45 isn’t censored though, n .45 is.
I had considered the same thing briefly.

Very strange. It is the n(dot)450, so would that be naso? (replacing the numbers with equivalent letters?)

Edit: Just caught my mistake, the 0 isnt involved. So, nas?

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.

Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).

Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.

Hence the +/- right before the figure.

Considering that we’ve been dominating for only half the time of your “+/- 3 months of domination,” that’s an incredibly wide variance for that +/-. As someone who uses +/- quite frequently in her profession, it’s usually used as a stand in for “roughly.” As in, “I don’t have the precise number, but this is a pretty close and accurate rough figure.” And we’re nowhere near dominating for “roughly 3 months” yet. 3 months is basically doubling the time period that we’ve actually been dominating the tier and hyperinflates the figure.

I advise you to start using “+/- 1.5 months” for a more accurate description of the situation.

Technically, it’s 2.5 now. Unless you’re referring to the roflstomping, in which case 1.5 – 2 is more accurate.

For some reason this really matters enough to make all these posts over something that really means nothing. When they could have just PM’d me.

It doesn’t mean nothing. The whole point of these threads is the broken rating math causing a dominating server to stay stuck in the server for far longer than it should. So the timeframe of domination (and getting said timeframe accurate) is quite relevant to the conversation. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (7-8 weeks depending on if you count from the beginning or the end of that match, which is roughly 1.50-1.75 month if you want to get as specific as possible ).

EDIT – Look, this isn’t meant as a personal attack Cantur. I continue this partciular line of conversation because it IS something that is entirely relevant to the conversation and I wholeheartedly feel if we are going to be providing the developers (and other servers) with feedback on this issue, we should be completely accurate and honest about the timeframe. And I personally find doubling the actual timeframe to be a wee bit disingenuous to our cause.

Manoa.5897:

It doesn’t mean nothing. The whole point of these threads is the broken rating math causing a dominating server to stay stuck in the server for far longer than it should. So the timeframe of domination (and getting said timeframe accurate) is quite relevant to the conversation. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (7-8 weeks depending on if you count from the beginning or the end of that match).

EDIT – Look, this isn’t meant as a personal attack Cantur. I continue this partciular line of conversation because it IS something that is entirely relevant to the conversation and I wholeheartedly feel if we are going to be providing the developers (and other servers) with feedback on this issue, we should be completely accurate and honest about the timeframe.

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.

Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).

Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.

Hence the +/- right before the figure.

Considering that we’ve been dominating for only half the time of your “+/- 3 months of domination,” that’s an incredibly wide variance for that +/-. As someone who uses +/- quite frequently in her profession, it’s usually used as a stand in for “roughly.” As in, “I don’t have the precise number, but this is a pretty close and accurate rough figure.” And we’re nowhere near dominating for “roughly 3 months” yet. 3 months is basically doubling the time period that we’ve actually been dominating the tier and hyperinflates the figure.

I advise you to start using “+/- 1.5 months” for a more accurate description of the situation.

Technically, it’s 2.5 now. Unless you’re referring to the roflstomping, in which case 1.5 – 2 is more accurate.

For some reason this really matters enough to make all these posts over something that really means nothing. When they could have just PM’d me.

It doesn’t mean nothing. The whole point of these threads is the broken rating math causing a dominating server to stay stuck in the server for far longer than it should. So the timeframe of domination (and getting said timeframe accurate) is quite relevant to the conversation. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (7-8 weeks depending on if you count from the beginning or the end of that match).

So you felt the need to call me out publicly (and keep doing it) about a month discrepancy instead of sending me a PM which would not have clogged up this thread which further deteriorates the validity of this entire thread?

Good on ya, mate.

Edit: Please note I never said you were incorrect about the time frame at any point.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

It doesn’t mean nothing. The whole point of these threads is the broken rating math causing a dominating server to stay stuck in the server for far longer than it should. So the timeframe of domination (and getting said timeframe accurate) is quite relevant to the conversation. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (7-8 weeks depending on if you count from the beginning or the end of that match).

EDIT – Look, this isn’t meant as a personal attack Cantur. I continue this partciular line of conversation because it IS something that is entirely relevant to the conversation and I wholeheartedly feel if we are going to be providing the developers (and other servers) with feedback on this issue, we should be completely accurate and honest about the timeframe.

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

I do not remember anyone stating HoD deserved to be stuck in T8. What I do recall is everyone agrees SF deserves to move up based on the +/- 3 months of domination.

Cantur, you keep using this “3 months of domination” figure in these threads, but it isn’t accurate. We’ve only been in T8 since January 4th, so that’s only little over 2 months total that we’ve been in T8. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (so that’s roughly 1.5 month of domination, not 3 months as you’ve been claiming).

Now, it could very well be the case that it’ll take 3 months of domination for us to claw our way out of the Glicko Ghetto. But we haven’t dominated for 3 months yet.

Hence the +/- right before the figure.

Considering that we’ve been dominating for only half the time of your “+/- 3 months of domination,” that’s an incredibly wide variance for that +/-. As someone who uses +/- quite frequently in her profession, it’s usually used as a stand in for “roughly.” As in, “I don’t have the precise number, but this is a pretty close and accurate rough figure.” And we’re nowhere near dominating for “roughly 3 months” yet. 3 months is basically doubling the time period that we’ve actually been dominating the tier and hyperinflates the figure.

I advise you to start using “+/- 1.5 months” for a more accurate description of the situation.

Technically, it’s 2.5 now. Unless you’re referring to the roflstomping, in which case 1.5 – 2 is more accurate.

For some reason this really matters enough to make all these posts over something that really means nothing. When they could have just PM’d me.

It doesn’t mean nothing. The whole point of these threads is the broken rating math causing a dominating server to stay stuck in the server for far longer than it should. So the timeframe of domination (and getting said timeframe accurate) is quite relevant to the conversation. And we’ve only been dominating since the January 18-25 match-up (7-8 weeks depending on if you count from the beginning or the end of that match).

So you felt the need to call me out publicly (and keep doing it) about a month discrepancy instead of sending me a PM which would not have clogged up this thread which further deteriorates the validity of this entire thread?

Good on ya, mate.

To be frank, a month to a month-and-a-half discrepancy is a pretty large discrepancy when you’re dealing with only a handful of months to begin with (as it hyperinflates the number to 1.5x to 2x the actual number).

And is that what you’re grumpy about? That you were wrong and you got called out in public about it? This was not the first time that your “+/- 3 months of domination” idea isn’t entirely accurate was brought to your attention in public. You dismissed it before and then posted it again. I had hoped that correction coming from a fellow servermate would have gone over a little bit better. If I were on the receiving end, I would have graciously thanked the fellow servermate for correcting me and just moved on instead of dismissing the feedback and insisting that their point didn’t matter and was completely invalid.

Because let’s be honest, the domination timeframe IS a completely valid issue in these posts. It’s the whole point of these Glicko Ghetto threads.

yeesh. too bad you guys are on the same side or i’d say go fight it out on the field...

Manoa.5897:

To be frank, a month to a month-and-a-half discrepancy is a pretty large discrepancy when you’re dealing with only a handful of months to begin with.

And is that what you’re grumpy about? That you were wrong and you got called out in public about it? This was not the first time that your “+/- 3 months of domination” idea isn’t entirely accurate was brought to your attention in public. You dismissed it before. I had hoped that something like that coming from a fellow servermate would have gone over a little bit better. If I were on the receiving end, I would have graciously thanked the fellow servermate for correcting me and just moved on instead of insisting that their point didn’t matter and was completely invalid.

Because let’s be honest, the domination timeframe IS a completely valid issue in these posts.

I never said your point was invalid, just that a month difference does not mean much to the overall picture (in my opinion).

As I said before, if that is what someone is focusing on to say my arguments are invalid then they are not truly looking to discuss the actual problem, the skewing of the T8 ratings. To me, whether we have been dominating 2 or 3 months (+/- since you say 1.5 and two others have said 2) is a very small fish in the T8 rating pond. It is a fish, but not that big in the overall scheme of things. Does that mean I am wrong and you are right? Not at all, because it is a matter of opinion on how much it actually means to the argument.

Is 3 months inaccurate, sure. I never argued that. And I kept dismissing that in my posts to elRohbi (or however you spell it) because I had my reasons. But those posts (mine and his) were not productive anyway based on his false “facts”, failure to support anything he said, and only focusing on one thing I had to say instead of actually arguing to the topic AND me just tearing down his false “fact” statements. You were not involved in those so I am not sure why you are feeling the need to attack me using those posts as examples. Edit: I did use that number in another post to someone else, sorry about that.

To those that want to actually discuss the real topic I have no problem with stating +/- 2 months as the time frame of the domination.

And as for the coming from a fellow servermate, take this for example. Where you work, if you see a report that someone on your team sends out to everyone that has a numbers mistake/error, do you email everyone and tell them they screwed up their calculations and that they should make sure they are accurate in everything they do? Or do you email that person and notify them of the mistake?

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

To be frank, a month to a month-and-a-half discrepancy is a pretty large discrepancy when you’re dealing with only a handful of months to begin with.

And is that what you’re grumpy about? That you were wrong and you got called out in public about it? This was not the first time that your “+/- 3 months of domination” idea isn’t entirely accurate was brought to your attention in public. You dismissed it before. I had hoped that something like that coming from a fellow servermate would have gone over a little bit better. If I were on the receiving end, I would have graciously thanked the fellow servermate for correcting me and just moved on instead of insisting that their point didn’t matter and was completely invalid.

Because let’s be honest, the domination timeframe IS a completely valid issue in these posts.

I never said your point was invalid, just that a month difference does not mean much to the overall picture (in my opinion).

As I said before, if that is what someone is focusing on to say my arguments are invalid then they are not truly looking to discuss the actual problem, the skewing of the T8 ratings. To me, whether we have been dominating 2 or 3 months (+/- since you say 1.5 and two others have said 2) is a very small fish in the T8 rating pond. It is a fish, but not that big in the overall scheme of things. Does that mean I am wrong and you are right? Not at all, because it is a matter of opinion on how much it actually means to the argument.

Is 3 months inaccurate, sure. I never argued that. And I kept dismissing that in my posts to elRohbi (or however you spell it) because I had my reasons. But those posts (mine and his) were not productive anyway based on his false “facts”, failure to support anything he said, and only focusing on one thing I had to say instead of actually arguing to the topic AND me just tearing down his false “fact” statements. You were not involved in those so I am not sure why you are feeling the need to attack me using those posts as examples.

To those that want to actually discuss the real topic I have no problem with stating +/- 2 months as the time frame of the domination.

And as for the coming from a fellow servermate, take this for example. Where you work, if you see a report that someone on your team sends out to everyone that has a numbers mistake/error, do you email everyone and tell them they screwed up their calculations and that they should make sure they are accurate in everything they do? Or do you email that person and notify them of the mistake?

Boy, you really don’t know how to let something go, do you? :P
The only post of mine that Manoa referenced (And did so without even namedropping me) was the one where I pointed out (And in this particular post, I did back up my arguments) that your numbers were wrong.
That is not a false fact, that is a true fact.
The true fact being that your number is wrong.

And incidentally,
You accuse me repeatedly (Repeatedly, as in, to the point that it is the bulk of every single one of your posts directed at me) of not directly responding to what was said to me, and yet you are doing the very same thing with both myself and Manoa.
We have both explained to you that being accurate with your numbers is important, and explained why. Something that you have not addressed in any way other than to say “Well, they’re not important to me so they shouldn’t matter to anyone” (I paraphrased, but that is exactly the point you seem to be trying to make)

You’ve taken a thread that’s supposed to be about tier 8 and made it only about you being right and nobody else knowing how to post. And that is why you’ve had at least 3 different posts deleted by mods from this thread already.

You, yourself, stopped discussing the actual problem with tier 8 many, many posts ago.

EDIT: God help you if you think this is more “trolling”.

EDIT 2: If a coworker of mine published a report with incorrect numbers, I would indeed make a public correction. Telling him privately that he was incorrect would not educate the people who read the report. Just like telling you privately that 3 months is a wildly inaccurate number would not educate the rest of the forum to the fact it was much less time than that.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

And as for the coming from a fellow servermate, take this for example. Where you work, if you see a report that someone on your team sends out to everyone that has a numbers mistake/error, do you email everyone and tell them they screwed up their calculations and that they should make sure they are accurate in everything they do? Or do you email that person and notify them of the mistake?

At my job, it all depends on who received the erroneous info. If the mistake was sent out to a group, the error is pointed out to the entire group for the benefit of all those who received the erroneous information (so they know not to rely on the error). I have been on both the giving and receiving end of this at my job. If the mistake was made privately (i.e. I alone received the report and no other eyes touched the erroneous information), the correction is done so privately.

I’m sorry you’re taking my posts as “attacking you.” Know that this was never my intent and I regret that you took at such. My intent was (and always has been) to ensure the accurate information is available for the benefit of all who may be following this thread.

Now something that’s a bit more on-topic than “who’s right, who’s wrong” and “how should someone be corrected in a public forum” stuff, I noticed Jeknar just posted the following score update in T8’s match-up thread…

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/54829/gw197.jpg

This point spread is QUITE reminiscent of the scores we saw in the 2/15-2/22 match-up. It’ll be interesting to see how this impacts our rating delta next Friday (for next week’s match-up). I have a gut feeling Glicko will yet punish us with a rating decrease again next week for “underperforming” if we don’t meet or beat this week’s point spread.

katz.8376:

yeesh. too bad you guys are on the same side or i’d say go fight it out on the field…

SF fighting itself is all part of “Sorrow’s Terrace of Denravi’s Crossing”…

STD will soon take over…

*infects Jerknar. Owait, not that kind of STD?

Well in any case … uhm … I’ll just walk away now.

ewwwwww. >edges away from pulsecodesgnl<

LOL, ok, I get it. Thanks for the discussions/advice/talk/etc.

katz.8376:

ewwwwww. >edges away from pulsecodesgnl<

What if it’s an STD that provides perma-invulnerability?

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

katz.8376:

ewwwwww. >edges away from pulsecodesgnl<

What if it’s an STD that provides perma-invulnerability?

only because no one wants to touch you because you have an STD. XD

IT’S A TRAP!

Alright, now that I have successfully derailed the conversation, (and have become the envy of everyone) we should get back to how horrible the Glicko system is, and how it pales in comparison to STDs.