Guild Wars 2

Hello,

After doing the math on my Thirst Slayer achievement, I realised it is going to hurt my fingers. So I thought of another way…

I know that software autoclickers are not allowed (at least I think so), but what about a device that I built with my lego which utilises a simple crankset to manually click the left mouse button? It does about 14 clicks/s at the moment (could easily go higher, but that is not the point).

Can I get banned for something like this? Will the game automatically detect that I am clicking very fast for longer periods of time and ban me like it happens with bots?

Here is a quick movie of the device:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdJhLcZozAA&feature=youtu.be

Thanks in advance for your answer :)

EDIT: It is not software, but I am not sure if it doesn’t fall within “You cannot program an “auto-clicker” macro that, for instance, opens chests while you play elsewhere.”

EDIT2: Or is there perhaps a certain clicking speed that I can’t exceed?

I love this one, but I think it will give you a ban when detected…… (>>going to find those old boxes with lego again<<)

That’s a bummer.

Well, thank you for your answer, it looks like I will have a lot of clicking to do

Are you sure about this Gaile? The sticky states the policies are made clear in the User Agreement. The User Agreement explicitly states software, not hardware. That’s most definitely a piece of hardware.

Or are you saying this is a “cheat”?

Does this mean that a person who uses a mechanical device to simultaneously operate multiple keyboards (i.e. multi-boxing mechanically) is also operating against the ToS?

Gaile, I’d like to also address Thedenofsin.

The term “Third Party Software” covers both software and/or components (i.e. hardware). Here’s the copy/pasta of the section this comes from:

“15. THIRD PARTY TECHNOLOGY
You acknowledge that (i) the Game may contain other software or components that are either owned by a third party or in the public domain, and (ii) NCSOFT has no proprietary interest in such software or components (collectively and each, the “Third Party Software”), and as such, cannot grant you a license to use such Third-Party Software.”

Going foward, I think Anet should use the term “Third Party Technology” instead of “Third Party Software”. It clears up the misunderstandings with players who hear the word “software”, and don’t know that it covers other things collectively.

Just be creative instead. Bind click to your scroll wheel to multiclick very fast. Bind click to your entire numpad and bakitten like an angry german kid. Get two mice and program every button as a click, start mashing away double handed. Get a cheap midi keyboard and make every note a click, start playing it like Mozart. Get a midi drumpad and bind one to click, roll it like slipknot.
Every click will be done by you personally, yet you can control how easy it is to mash multiple keys as fast as possible.

Those are some interesting suggestions, but well, it makes me wonder, what is the difference between various methods of clicking? It makes me click much faster than a regular player, and this is, I guess, why it is considered cheating. All those methods you mentioned I can achieve with my device and while technically it will not be me clicking, the result would be the same.

Furthermore, I do not know what the detecting techniques are. It is obvious that they can’t say if it is me clicking or someone/something else, if I am not using any software, but I guess there is a possibility to check the frequency of clicks, how fast are they and so on and so forth. If so, even if I tried doing it with 2 mice or using my numpad, it could alert those systems and get me banned.

Avalyah.5987:

Those are some interesting suggestions, but well, it makes me wonder, what is the difference between various methods of clicking? It makes me click much faster than a regular player, and this is, I guess, why it is considered cheating. All those methods you mentioned I can achieve with my device and while technically it will not be me clicking, the result would be the same.

Furthermore, I do not know what the detecting techniques are. It is obvious that they can’t say if it is me clicking or someone/something else, if I am not using any software, but I guess there is a possibility to check the frequency of clicks, how fast are they and so on and so forth. If so, even if I tried doing it with 2 mice or using my numpad, it could alert those systems and get me banned.

I would suggest not to discuss or even think bout detecting techniques. We dont need to know how they work to obey to the rules.

You are right there isn’t a sharp line between whats acceptable and what isn’t but some grey area.

For example.
For GW1 you could use a program called texmod. This could change the graphics in game. Off course changing it in such a way that you character has a brighter white skirt didnt have any advantage.

But how about changing the colour of undiscovered parts of the map to more easily see what you have discovered and what not?? It’s and advantage, but not unfair. You still need to go there and actually discover it. What bout an indicator of different range of skills on the mini-map??

In the end texmod was considered to be ok (though unsupported).

In gw1 I had a farming run that only needed to click 10 keys (flowers in pre-seering outside the abbey). With your autoclicker it is a very small step to automate that and be a bot.

The fact that you don’t intend to go further doesnt allow it. an autoclicker is actually a very rudimentary version of a bot. They fall in the same group of programs (software designed to automate gameplay). So dont go there. if you want to cheat play a solo rpg.

We all had to do the same thing in GW1. Drunkard, party animal, sweet tooth, etc.
The number of clicks looks daunting from the start, but once you start doing it they go fast. And it is an achievement for a reason.

mercury ranique.2170:

The fact that you don’t intend to go further doesnt allow it. an autoclicker is actually a very rudimentary version of a bot. They fall in the same group of programs (software designed to automate gameplay). So dont go there. if you want to cheat play a solo rpg.

Never did I say I want to cheat. It is quite obvious I cannot automate the gameplay with it. Unless clicking 75 000 times is gameplay. If so, am I really automating it? The policy about macros says it can be only one action per one key and if so, it is ok. The other methods mentioned by marnikc would also fall for that category, right? Furthermore, my clicker doesn’t give me any real advantage over regular players. Assuming I would set it to about 5-6 clicks/s it would do the clicking at the same speed I do, with the only difference it could do that for longer without hurting fingers (because it doesn’t have any). Who cares if I am doing it or my little mechanical arm? And then, if I created a robot that could play GW2 (awesome) and let it play on my account would it mean I am botting?

I believe there is a serious difference between a software autoclicker that can do 1000 clicks/s and a device that I built myself that can do no more than 30, and can be easily adjusted to do more humanly possible 6-7 clicks/s.

At this point I am discussing purely theoretically, I am not going to use my contraption.

Interesting thread, I use an auto clicker that presses one repeatedly while I hold the corresponding mouse button down. The reason for this is due to the grenade kit lack of auto attack literally caused me to develop a repetitive strain injury. It is only in recent months I think that auto attacks were added for the other kits.

I do not use this software in a “bot-like” fashion while akitten. Curious as to whether this is violation?

One action, one function.
Action=button press.
Function=one skill cast, one number press, etc etc.
Beyond that is grey area, Arenanet doesn’t do grey.

Ok, so automated 3rd person programs are not allowed. But can i use a program with which i can rebind my left mouse button to a key on the keyboard?

I am still manually buying and drinking the drinks and it is not automated. I find pressing a key on the keyboard easier / more comfortable than clicking the mouse.

Nienke.2843:

Ok, so automated 3rd person programs are not allowed. But can i use a program with which i can rebind my left mouse button to a key on the keyboard?

I am still manually buying and drinking the drinks and it is not automated. I find pressing a key on the keyboard easier / more comfortable than clicking the mouse.

Can you not do that just from the game settings? I’m a lefty and I like to use my mouse left-handed, so I’ve remapped all my skills to my number pad. I haven’t tried to remap my mouse buttons, but I thought I saw that as an option.