Decoration Limit is not 2000, it is 994

Decoration Limit is not 2000, it is 994

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Posted by: Xanthia.7209

Xanthia.7209

Hiya! So if you want the short version of it here it is:

After my guild had placed exactly 994 decorations throughout the Gilded Hallow, it was discovered no more could be placed anywhere else. It would appear that we had reach the cap limit for placing decorations, and attempting to place anymore would result in the item failing to be placed and instead remain in storage. After doing some research and talking heavily with support, it was stated multiple times that the cap limit is suppose to be 2000, and that the reason why we are stopping only at 994 remains a mystery (lots of theories, but no solid answer). I was advised to make this post by support in hopes that a) another guild who has had this problem occurred and figured out a work around could hopefully provide a solution to my problem and b) the development team responsible for the guildhall/decoration system might stumble upon this thread and know that there is a problem. From what I gathered speaking with support, the people there don’t know how the system works, so my guess is as good as theirs on what the problem is.
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Okay. Now here is the longer version for those of you who want more details on the problem itself, what was done and what was said between me and support thus far (get some popcorn).

Last Sunday my guild had successfully unlocked the Decoration Merchant 3 upgrade and proceeded to “pretty up” our guildhall (Gilded Hallow) with the new furniture options. It was after attempting to place a well at my “claimed area” that I discovered I could no longer place anymore decorations. My character would do the animation as if attempting to place the decoration down, the “booming” noise would trigger, but the selected piece of furniture would never be placed but instead remain in storage.

Since it never gave me any error or any indication stating why the decorations could not be placed, I assumed I was bugged and re-logged. However, this did not fix the problem, as upon retrying to place the decorations once more still resulted in failure. I then attempted to place decorations at various areas around the guildhall to see if I could and discovered that I could not. Curious, I finally went and removed 1 of our decorations that had already been placed on the floor, selected a different one from storage, and was able to successfully place it down.

It appeared that after placing exactly 994 decorations spread throughout the guildhall, that the game refused to allow us to place anymore. This was also confirmed by another guildie the next day when they too attempted and failed to place anymore decorations down. Disheartened, I submitted a ticket to support detailing the issuing as best as I could. While I waited for support to reply, I made the decision to tear down a rather long jumping puzzle I had made (116 crates plus more!) so that other guildies could once again continue to build.

Eventually I heard back from support. They confirmed with me that the cap limit for decorations was set at 2000, and suggested that the reason we could not place anymore past 994 was because “certain areas” of the guild hall were capped at a smaller limit. I told them that didn’t make any sense and was impossible because the jumping puzzle I had tore down was located at the Northwest most part of the guildhall. It was built way above and stretched to the very top most part of our guildhall. Meanwhile, “my place” which I had been attempting to decorate at the time when I discovered the issue is located on the exact opposite end of the guildhall. My area is near the mine, on the Southeastern most part of the map. And yet, upon deleting the jumping puzzle I was able to successfully place decorations down at my desired location. The two locations could not be farther apart both vertically and horizontally if you tried. So this “area limit” wouldn’t make sense…unless you count the entire guildhall as 1 area…which means that cap it set to 994…not 2000.

I feel I should mention at this point that there is no argument to what the cap limit is suppose to be. There are various sources, including a video available on Anet’s website stating that the cap limit is set at 2000. In case someone here wants to suggest that the video is “outdated”, I also have an email reply here from support stating word for word “From what I was able to uncover is that yes there is a limit of 2000 items to be used in a Guild Hall.” That was received at 1/5/2016 at 9:40 AM est. So the argument that it was silently nerfed from 2000 to 994 is out.

So after seeing how support’s first explanation seemed implausible, I then suggested that maybe the reason for the smaller cap was due to the fact that our guild had not yet acquired the Further Exploration upgrade. Since we don’t “officially” have the second-half of the guildhall unlocked, maybe that is why we hitting the cap limit halfway. Support neither confirmed or deny this possibility. They simply said that it could be possible that the development team responsible for the system could had made it so that the cap limit was upgradeable. Word for word: “It is logical that the development team would make the limit size upgradeable. I’m pretty sure its suppose to go by the size per small room, to add up to the limit of 2000. Let us know when you have more information though, Please.

Now I have already informed them that I will contact them once we have the Further Exploration upgrade unlocked and test to see if the limit increases. The only problem is time. Last I checked the only thing that we are missing is the 777 exotic essence of luck in order to purchase the upgrade. I’ve asked them if there was an alternative way I could contact them as I am pretty sure tickets close automatically after a few days of inactivity. I also requested if it was possible for them to contact the development team in charge of the system and ask them directly if the limit cap is affected by the Further Exploration upgrade. I explained that I understand if they are busy and that I am willing to wait to hear a response from them.

The last email I received simply stated that they will be looking into this on their end and that I should let them know if the limit increases (once we get the Further Exploration upgrade). I am instructed to also post about this on the forums, in hopes I can find additional help there.

So there you go. I will update you guys when we get the upgrade! My guild members and myself are currently busy with other projects as well, so keep in mind it might take a while.

TL;DR Decoration limit is set to 994 effectively…. not 2000. Enjoy.

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Posted by: Illconceived Was Na.9781

Illconceived Was Na.9781

Is it possible that not all decorations count equally towards the limit? I’m going to give a fake example, since I’m not familiar enough with the specific options: suppose you can drop a tree or a decorated tree; the plain tree would count as ‘one’ while the decorated tree would count as ‘two’, the tree itself (‘one’) and the decorations (the other ‘one’).

That’s not how we humans think it should work, but it would be consistent with the developers wanting to limit the number of ‘models’ that can be displayed (in addition to the static ones).

The way to test it with your 994-decoration hall would be to despawn the most complicated decorations one at a time and see how many of the simplest you could add in afterward.

(Hope it turns out to be a simpler hard-coded number error instead — that’s easy to fix; the potential bug I’m describing isn’t likely to be.)

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Posted by: Xanthia.7209

Xanthia.7209

The problem with this theory is that the numbers still wouldn’t add up anywhere near to the stated 2000 limit. Now keep in mind, some stuff has changed in the past few days since discovering the problem,and in that time we have acquired more upgraded decorations since then. But even after counting how many upgraded decorations we currently have placed down, the count only comes up to 45. Yea I know, interestingly enough we don’t actually have that many upgraded decorations yet, most of it is just basic. So even if they are counting three times as much it still would only be 135 decorations. Add that amount to the basic decorations we have and you are still not even remotely close to 2000.

The only way I can see this being possible is if some random decoration is just counting three, four, fives times as much for no apparent reason other than it is. But I have neither the time nor the money to test the hundreds of decoration options that are available one at a time. If someone wants to buy 2000 crates, chairs, and tables though and test them all out to see if they are counting as 1 or more decorations…all the power to you!

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Posted by: Illconceived Was Na.9781

Illconceived Was Na.9781

The only way I can see this being possible is if some random decoration is just counting three, four, fives times as much for no apparent reason other than it is.

Yes, that’s exactly my theory. (This doesn’t happen often in tech support, but it happens just often enough that it’s my go-to suggestion when there’s no apparent “rational” explanation.)

And it’s easy to test: just remove the most complicated decoration you guys have and see how many chairs you can add in. I mean, it’s possible some developer set up a chair to count as say six objects (four legs, a seat, and the back) and a really intricate statue to count as one, in which case, it might be worth trying a selection of objects.

The goal in this case isn’t to figure out which objects cost how many slots, it’s just to see if there is even a single example for which it’s true that one stored item takes up more than one decoration slot. If that happens, QA can do the remaining tests on all possible objects and we just wait for them to fix it. (And wait and wait some more — it wouldn’t be trivial to undo that.)

On the other hand, if you guys try say 10-20 combinations and don’t discover any examples, that, too can be forwarded to QA — it will help them refocus their efforts.


Regardless of what you guys choose to do next, thanks for your efforts in researching and publicizing the issue. It will save a lot of people a ton of frustration later.

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Posted by: reapex.8546

reapex.8546

Hiya! So if you want the short version of it here it is:

TL;DR Decoration limit is set to 994 effectively…. not 2000. Enjoy.

I didn’t read the entire post but have you gotten the expanded Guild Hall at level 40? I’m not sure but maybe the expanded Guild Hall will allow for more decorations to be placed.

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Posted by: Xanthia.7209

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@reapex We at at level 40 but have not unlocked Further Exploration yet. We are close to unlocking we just need the 777 exotic essence of luck first. I will let you know if anything changes once we get the upgrade.

@ Illconceived Was Na I tried as you suggested and I am sad to report as far as I can tell all the decorations we have access to have the same count value (as in they only count as 1). Since I had tore down the jp I made from before to make room, I had to place the crates down again to help get us back to the cap (which btw is still 994, it hasn’t change since last time).
Once I had re-establish the 994 cap, I removed one of the basic crates (to free up 1 slot) and replaced it with a complicated decoration. I tested a variety of complicated decorations from Fun Balloon Bundle, to Charr Statue, to Fancy Round Table (etc). Again and again it would place the 994th decoration just fine. But never, ever a 995th no matter what decoration type I tried ( basic, complicated, festival, rewards etc).

And yea for the sake of it I also retested it again except removing 2 crates this time(so 2 slots free) and still no difference. Once 994 were placed , no matter what kind of decoration it was or combinations of decorations placed, no more would go down past this cap limit.

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Posted by: Ameepa.6793

Ameepa.6793

We were very disappointed to run into the cap so quickly as we were expecting it to be 2000.

994 is ridiculously low cap considering how HUGE the halls are. It still looks almost undecorated and we have not even unlocked the rest of the hall yet. It would be fine if the
hall was 1/10 of the size, but this big halls really need way higher cap.

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Posted by: Illconceived Was Na.9781

Illconceived Was Na.9781

@ Illconceived Was Na I tried as you suggested and I am sad to report as far as I can tell all the decorations we have access to have the same count value (as in they only count as 1).

I’m actually glad to hear that it wasn’t this — that would be a gnarly bug to unravel. Good job on the test. It sounds like you guys tried all sorts of things to find out if the 994 was a hard-count or depended on the types of decorations.

Hopefully, more guilds will do their own counts, with varying sized guilds, levels, etc and provide more details to help ANet find the root cause.

(I have a feeling that 2,000 is still going to feel too low when it finally happens.)

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Posted by: Eternalight.4708

Eternalight.4708

Interesting problem. Will see what we can do to help I hope we have that many decorations!

My guild has Further Exploration & sitting at level 45…probably 46 by the time you read this.

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Posted by: Armenthos.9682

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Having done a lot of decorating over the guild hall, I found that before the patch which fixed the druid and chronomancer bug, we were able to place decorations fine. However, after that patch, we found that for some reason the decorations were not being placed, despite having a green icon saying that you could. There were no messages stating that we had reached the maximum number of decorations in that area as we knew we hadn’t. We have about 1000 decorations in the guild hall and would like this to be resolved so we can finish the jumping puzzle we’ve been making.

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Posted by: Lunacy Solacio.6514

Lunacy Solacio.6514

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Guild-Hall-Decorations-limit-is-not-2k/5903755
Posting here for cross reference, Dev stating it is 1k limit.