Guild Wars 2

Hi, wanted to ask hire can someone look at this PC configuration from screenshots and tell me the main reason why have so bad performance ingame. Not GW2, mostly any onther game. I have also my (3yers old) PC with only 2GB of ram lower procesor but have SAPPHIRE VAPOR-X HD 5770 1GB GDDR5 graphic card and i must say it works way better then new pc (check screenshots for specifics). Only differance is on new one loading screens are muck quicker but graphic deatails must be lower + i have FPS drops when zoom in when fire bomb or somke hits the ground. (On old pc don’t have that problems only lags nad low FPS in big zerg fights or town, and i understand this ) So pla help me to fidn reason why this config is so bad at video games:

Also on this PC i have chip graphic + graphic card. and not sure how this two work together. I would like to replace a card so pls suggest me. Im n00b on this point.

And hire is my old PC who have rly nice performance in game. Why i can play with bigger details on this one? pls explain. Is all about graphic card or what?

This is an easy one. You GPU in ur old computer (the 5770) is about 3 times more powerfull than the onboard GPU in ur new rig (the 6530d), and roughly 6 times more powerful than the stand alone GPU in ur new rig (the 5450).
If u dont need to keep ur old rig then take the graphics card out of ur old rig and put it in your new one.
If u need both computers then go out and buy a cheap graphics card like the AMD 7770 which should cost around $100 to $120 or for $130 to $150 u can get the much better Nvidia 650ti.

Thx for replay. Can you just tell me how can i know wich graphics card supports my motherboard? And is theare any problem if I put Nvidia GPU or AMD GPU on board? I know is stupid question but you look like a guy who can help me with that. Thx for recomended graphic cards. Yes i need both PC’s

I looked at your processor and from it I can wager that it is a dual core running at 1.6 GHz. It’s very underpowered for Guild Wars 2 from what I have read, and this game is very processor intensive.

CPU lacking in power.
both GPU’s lacking in power.
512MB vRAM on the first card.

nuff said.

Yes his CPU isnt great, but since he was asking about his gpu’s and that there was an obviose reason for the drop in gpu performance, that i was i focused on. And its a 2.6ghz quad core ..not a 1.6ghz dual core.

OP: All current graphics cards will fit ur motherboard (PCI-E), so long as u install the graphics card into ur fastes PCI-E port u will be fine (PCI-E ports for Graphics cards come in x4, x8, and x16 – check ur manual to find out which port is which, it may also be physicaly written on the motherboard PCB)
The graphics cards i recommened would be the minimum u would want to go for , for general gaming.
There is no issue with mixing AMD/Intel/Nvidia in this dayin age..it used to be an issue back in the day when i first started with compuers but thankfully that has passed.

Now what the others said is true, ur CPU is slow , specialy for GW2, but considering ur choice of CPU and the overal level of spec of ur computer im guessing ur on a tight budget so dont worry about it for now. Not unless u specificaly want to do WvW in GW2, then u will need ot start saving money becouse it will cost alot to get a rig capable of playing WvW in GW2 without runnign at 5 FPS all the time.

if after getting a new GPU u find urself being held back becouse of ur CPU, then u can actually OC that CPU from its stock 2.6ghz to 3.5ghz+ if u dont mind tinkering with voltages, if u dont like to, then u can still probably get 3.0ghz with just changing the core clock from 100 to 117..but test it in increments of 5. Look on overclock.net for advice on how to start overclocking and how to test stability etc.

Thx SolarNova.1052 for explanation. I will only buy graphic card for now. So is this: SAPPHIRE HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB GDDR5 maybe better choice then AMD 7770 or should i go for Nvidia 650ti like you told? And yes you are right i need something good or average with low cost.

http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=1&gid=3&sgid=1159&lid=1&pid=1452

Falleo.1362:

Thx SolarNova.1052 for explanation. I will only buy graphic card for now. So is this: SAPPHIRE HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB GDDR5 maybe better choice then AMD 7770 or should i go for Nvidia 650ti like you told? And yes you are right i need something good or average with low cost.

http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=1&gid=3&sgid=1159&lid=1&pid=1452

Personally the lowest card I would buy for gaming on Guild Wars 2 is a GTX 650Ti like SolarNova mentioned. I bought my siblings this card and they run a dual-monitor setup (play the game on a single monitor though) at 1600×900 while maintaining a mix of medium-high settings while getting around 30FPS in town and more like 45FPS outside in Gendarran Fields.

If u can afford it deffinatly try get a 650ti.
But yea the 7770hgz edition is better than the standard 7770

Same as the ‘650ti Boost’ is better than the ‘650ti’.

Do make sure ur PSU is up to scratch to handle the increased wattage requirment of a new more powerfull grpahics card.

You old system

Athlon II X2 260, 2 cores @ 3.2GHz
HD 5770 – 800 shaders @ 850MHz with 128-bit memory @ 4800MHz

Your new system
A6-3650, 4 cores @ 2.6GHz
HD 6530D – 320 shaders @ 443MHz with 128-bit memory @ 1333MHz
HD 5450 – 80 shaders @ 650MHz with 64-bit memory @ 1600MHz

So you may have doubled your cores but each run at 81% the speed of your previous CPU.

Graphics wise the embedded HD 6530D has about 21% of the shader power and 28% of the graphics memory bandwidth while the HD 5450 has 8% of the shader power and 17% of the graphics memory bandwidth.

As for transferring the HD 5770 from the old to the new, you will need to know if the power supply in the new computer can handle it because the HD 5450 is only a 20 watt card while the HD 5770 is an 110 watt card.

There’s still the slight problem that the new system has a slower CPU but if you have games that can tax more than two cores, or enjoy having other stuff running while playing, it may actually be faster than your old system. Let my direct you to this comparison of a Athlon II X2 265 to an A6-3650, almost at the bottom of the comparisons they look at a few games.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/190?vs=403

Dragon Age Origins most assuredly use more than 2 cores and shows the A6 kicking the faster dual core’s butt. However WoW and Starcraft II shows that more often than not, single thread performance is still a limiting factor in a lot of games.

Thx guys for so much help .:) but how can i make sure my PSU is up to scratch to handle the increased wattage for new grpahics card? Should i open Pc and check on PSU or how can i check this? To make sure i wont make mistake xD

Open up ur side panel and check the sticker on the side/back of the PSU.

Ok it says:
MAX420
Model: LC420H-12

VOLTAGE: 230V

Orange +3,3V 16A
Yellow +12V 15A
BLUE -12V 15A

CURENT 5A

Red +5V 16A
White -5V 0,5A
Purple +5Vsb 2A

FEQUNCI 50Hz
Black COM GMD
Green Ps-an
Grey PG

Edit: Oh i found it hire is 420W i think:(but someone check pls not sure is that the same one as i write up) http://www.computeruniverse.net/en/products/90301972/lc-power-lc420h-12-420-watt.asp

OK im pritty sure u will need a new PSU.
That one is ..well ..its s*it to but it plainly :P
If what i have found about it online is true, it doesnt have the required power connectors for the newer GPU’s. a 6 pin power cable. And i dont think the ampage is enough ether only 15a on the 12v is no where near enough, u usualy look for over 30.
You will need a new one and my advice is dont skimp on the PSU.
Problem is i only know of the higher end models of PSU’s and they are not budget friendly. So i cant really help pick out a good lower end model.
I can certainly say go for a SeaSonic S12II 520 ..but its close to $70 and Seasonic are pritty much the Rolls Royce brand for PSU’s.
Maybe som1 else can jump in with a sugestion

SolarNova.1052:

OK im pritty sure u will need a new PSU.
That one is ..well ..its s*it to but it plainly :P
If what i have found about it online is true, it doesnt have the required power connectors for the newer GPU’s. a 6 pin power cable. And i dont think the ampage is enough ether only 15a on the 12v is no where near enough, u usualy look for over 30.
You will need a new one and my advice is dont skimp on the PSU.
Problem is i only know of the higher end models of PSU’s and they are not budget friendly. So i cant really help pick out a good lower end model.
I can certainly say go for a SeaSonic S12II 520 ..but its close to $70 and Seasonic are pritty much the Rolls Royce brand for PSU’s.
Maybe som1 else can jump in with a sugestion

Ew :S Bad for me coz dont have moeny for GPU and PSU :p anyway that so much

Well I fed my 6950@6970 and 4.6ghz Fx 8120 with a 20a(600w peak) psu he should be able to use 650ti with an apu if thats what you are suggesting kinda didnt read the whole posts ^^ at least he should try first imo I dont think would cause damage in anyway except it would power off in the worst case scenario.

Just one more question on my old PC i have also 420W PSU (just checked) and have in SAPPHIRE VAPOR-X HD 5770 1GB GDDR5 and on saphire site i saw 500 Watt Power Supply is required. 600WattPower Supply is recommended for CrossFireX™ System and for SAPPHIRE HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB GDDR5 450 Watt Power Supply is required.

And i run games rly nice have no problems. So should I try any of this graphic carsds without new PSU or is to risky? :/

That a 20a single 12v rail or 20a on each of 2 or more 12v rails though ?

Though tbh im no expert on PSU’s so i could be way out on this :P
Stll his PSU is a very low end cheap one, i wouldnt trust it anyway ..its not even 80plus certified and doesnt have any 6pin connectors for the GPU from what i could tell.

EDIT: if u can conenct it, then yea by all means try, if it doesnt have neough juice it will simply shut down.

According to this page it only has 15a @ 12 volts. That means that 420 watt PSU can only put out 180 watts at 12 volts and that’s what both the CPU and video card feed on. That is very, very low. It’s a older designed power supply from back when most PCs drew the bulk of their power from 5v and 3.3v side of the power supply and that hasn’t been true for at least 5 years, maybe even 10.

So yes, you need a better power supply in your new system if you what to support a modern video card. Note that it doesn’t need to have more watts overall, just watts on the 12 volt side of the power supply. For instance the Antec Basiq BP430 or the Corsair CX430 430 watt PSU can put out up to 384 watts at 12 volts.

Video card manufacturers try to cover their bases by having higher requirements for PSU wattage in hopes if you do have an older generation PSU that their would be enough watts at 12 volts. This is simply because it was getting confusing to the average folk back when they also included an amps at 12 volts specification in their requirements.