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Posted by: Laylie.5703

Laylie.5703

I really was not going to post this because 99.9999% of the people reading this won’t give a kitten. But I do want to thank anet for ultimately killing the Guild Wars franchise for myself and 100’s of others who enjoy WvW. There is only so much someone can take in terms of no updates and no hope. I have patiently waited for a glimmer of hope in terms of a WvW update but im done waiting. With Archeage and camelot around the bend you will be losing the RvR players. Though I guess thats what you want since you never meant for WvW too be so popular and you can finally have some peace and quite when it comes to people complaining.

It is absolutely baffling that there has been nothing done for official GvG’s yet. The game is technically called Guild Wars 2 even the first game had decent GvG abilities. There is also no excuse to have multiple devs saying different things. Devon told us over a year ago that it takes around 6 months to design and test a new WvW map, only to have a dev recently say it takes a lot longer. Does it really only take 6 months or does it take 6 months and a we don’t really care anymore so it takes longer now kind of mentality.

Honestly some of the biggest guilds that promoted the game, promoted WvW, got those new players into WvW and GvG’s and got them hooked are down right leaving the game. I have quit uninstalled the game and will not play a game where the game mode I enjoy to play is neglected so much. I loved the time I played I loved my 100s of hours as a commander and my 1000s in WvW alone but what I don’t love is the disrespect as a player.

WvW is dying and there is nothing anyone can say to tell me it is not. Yea people still go in it but you can tell, the commanders that have been around for so long have no enthusiasm no heart for it they are just playing because there is nothing else to play.

So thank you anet for making one of the best game modes that I have played in years of gaming, but also thank you for destroying that game mode.

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Posted by: Victory.2879

Victory.2879

Sorry to hear you’ve left. I think a lot of us still play as there’s nothing better to do and killing enemies is sometimes quite a lot of fun, even if it’s the same mechanics and GWEN all the time.

(Saves space for the positive spin master’s reply below).

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Posted by: Xerion.8014

Xerion.8014

I agree with you, same goes for a lot of people including me. WvW has been stale (for me) for over a year. Nothing new has been added that changed the game mode in a good way. Bloodlust is awful, EOTM is just a karma train and still after almost 2 years no official GvG mode.

People worn out, leave the game, they come back, worn out faster and so on. Untill they snap! (and perhaps make radical decissions.) I have been there myself some times aswell. My server can tell you all about it.

It saddens me to see you leaving, but i understand your reasons behind it. I think a lot have been on the same point as you are now, you have been worn out badly, nobody can blame you for that.

Still hoping you will reconsider and return to this game. But i also wish you all the best in future games you going to play. We might clash in to eachother in ArcheAge. Who knows!

Take care and even tho we haven’t been enemies or allies i still hope i see you back in the gamemode we all still love!

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Posted by: Rimmy.9217

Rimmy.9217

I really was not going to post this because 99.9999% of the
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complaining.

This is a strange post. If there have been no updates for a long time, then this is exactly the same game that “you and 100’s of others” enjoyed. ANet hasn’t killed the game in this case, it’s the fickle player base who think they’re something more than customers who get loads of gameplay at fractions of a penny per hour.

It is absolutely baffling that there has been nothing done
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takes longer now kind of mentality.

Not really that baffling. There was no intent to have it in the game in the first place, so players took it upon themselves to shut people out of borderland maps by having their GvGs at the windmill at south camp. On highly populated servers, that’s individuals not contributing to the game mode but taking slots away from people who want to play the game properly.

Anyway, after enough people complained/whined/cajoled/threatened/occasionally-had-a-rational-point an area was built for them. That is ANet responding to the player base. As for the game “technically” being called Guild Wars 2, if you can’t get that it’s called that because it shares a history and lore with the previous game, then nobody is going to be able to explain it to you.

And how things were a year ago with the staff and resource/hours that were available, six months was right. Since we’ve only seen one map come out in that time, that’s what Devon would have been talking about. Something more recent, with changes in staff and resource/hours? Who knows? Until they break out a new map and then tell us how long it took from start to finish there will be no comparison. So nobody lied to you.

Honestly some of the biggest guilds that promoted the game, promoted WvW, got those new players into WvW and GvG’s and got them hooked are down right leaving the game. I have quit uninstalled the game and will not play a game where the game mode I enjoy to play is neglected so much. I loved the time I played I loved my 100s of hours as a commander and my 1000s in WvW alone but what I don’t love is the disrespect as a player.

In what way are you worthy of respect? You’re a customer, who paid a one-time price of what, $65.00? And you have had thousands of hours of playtime in WvW alone? If we take thousand*s* to mean at least two thousand hours, and we apply that for every year that GW2 has been around (two), that gives us four thousand hours of playtime. Note that is the same amount as a full time job.

That means that your $65.00 spread out over your four thousand hours of play has meant that you have been getting one hour of play for the insanely unreasonable and disrespectful rate of $0.016. Can you imagine? A cent and a half for each of those hours that you say you loved so much. Truly, you have been wronged.

Guess what? People leave games. People leave jobs, people leave relationships, people change what they do. It happens. So what? You got thousands of hours of play out of this game before you decided to uninstall. That is a testament to a solid game by any metric.

WvW is dying and there is nothing anyone can say to tell me it is not. Yea people still go in it but you can tell, the commanders that have been around for so long have no enthusiasm no heart for it they are just playing because there is nothing else to play.

If there’s nothing else to play, then one wonders what you’re going to do instead now that you’ve uninstalled. Maybe the commanders you know are unenthusiastic because they have a bunch of unimaginative players with cookie-cutter builds whining about how the game never changes while they themselves do exactly the same thing over and over again.

So thank you anet for making one of the best game modes that I have played in years of gaming, but also thank you for destroying that game mode.

Since it’s the same game mode (because of the lack of substantial changes you noted earlier), it’s the people who have destroyed it. Overstacking servers? Check – ruined lots of gameplay and communities. People who look up builds or ask someone to just give them a build without trying things themselves and possibly even discovering something new? Check – boring people doing the same boring things that everybody else is doing. People getting stroppy and feeling like having a bit of a public flounce when nobody would even notice if they left? Check – nothing like a “I’m going to whine even though I’m never going to play again” post to make everybody finally see the light.

ANet destroying the game? Try the selfish player base which has far too many entitled only-children types that don’t care a jot about how their actions ripple out and affect others who play the game.

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Posted by: chrisgr.3849

chrisgr.3849

how players can be selfish when the ask simply stufs from anet

lets see
what is the benefit of be a member in a guild?the wvvwwv bufs?
what the guild gets from wvwvwv?why not some influense when claim a tower/why not some taxes thet will go on guild bank and be only for the costs of the upgrating towers?

ok lets say that you r a member of a GvG guild and play for what?who will know and say what guild is the best?
why not GvG tournaments like the spvp tournaments?
they name the game GUILD WARS 2…were is the guild war?
why they dont add few more colors on the comander tags so we can organise on same map guild raids and pug raids?dont tell me that is so hard to do that…this is probly the most eazy thing for them to do

ppl complain about hacks…just remove the water that is under of every map and problem solve…if you go under then you start droping and drpoping and droping like you do on EOTM
but no..they leave it there and the only that they do is to remove the posts on the forum that talk about that
for what reason?to keep it secret from others?well hacks is on the game from the firsts months that game was oniline..im here from day one so ikn

its eazy to blame the players like the way that eazy to blame anet but when alot of ppl complain about the same issues and nothing change then probly we have a problem and big one

from the moment that advertise your self like a company/develops that cares about the customers and you liesen when the have something to say to you about the game and the only that customers that gets is totaly silence or difrent words from many ppl what you expect from us to thing?

THEY DONT CARE

and ppl will quit or stay in the game cose anet is a bit lucky on that…no games atm online or if the r they have some problems/bugs or what ever
but new games come on line soon and many will go and i dont see the reason for som1 to try a game that will be 2+ years old (GW2) and not start playing a fresh game

so ye ty anet for a great game..and also ty anet for doing everything you can to destroy it ,cosse with your action you make all of us to thing like that
(at least the most of us)

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Posted by: Johje Holan.4607

Johje Holan.4607

Yeah Anet blew it with this one. Hard to believe they’re the same company that made GW1.

Its really the buisness model that’s to blame though. And NCSoft.

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Posted by: DeadlySynz.3471

DeadlySynz.3471

I agree with the OP 100%; we even crossed paths with QT last night on one of the BL’s

We have to keep in mind though, games aren’t meant to hold on to people forever. People come and go and find new games; we also find new tastes. Unless a new game comes out that fully revolutionizes the industry (like WoW did), don’t expect a game to keep people entrenched for a number of years.

I believe MMO’s should keep it’s fans engaged for at least 3 years with regular updates and what not. When companies start to lose focus and set their sites on other things less important to it’s fans, that’s when people are left with a sour taste in their mouth.

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Posted by: style.6173

style.6173

It is really sad to see. ANET should be ashamed at what they did to WvW. They took a great gamemode and instead of building it, focused on adding junk like mastery skills.

Unfortunately, I don’t think we will see any change in direction until there is new leadership on the WvW team.

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Posted by: Jski.6180

Jski.6180

Spvp is a type of gvg realty any pvp game can be a type of gvg its just not the same as GW1 version. Its out right foolish thinking that in a pvp game with guilds in game or outside of the game is not a guild fight when they go up vs another guild.

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Posted by: wingclip.6182

wingclip.6182

I feel the same.

Besides the shared WvWexp fix and the Sanctum GVG corner there hasnt been anything new to WvW since launch that affected the game mode in a positive way. EotM was a big waste of devtime. Ruins had no Impact (waste of devtime again). Seasons promoted PPT-Blobbing, Siegeoverkill, Serverstacking and Lag.

WvW-guilds are falling appart everywhere. Running around in BLs and EB looking for fights always results in facing T3 Towers loaded with ACs or 60+ Blobs facerolling accross the map. So the Raids end leaving players bored and annnoyed. Everyone is “looking for a new game” mindset by now.

Which is a shame. The fighting system of gw2 is awesome. For example: 20vs20 fights work perfectly and are fun and challenging. But since people are encouraged to blob for PPT those good fights hardly ever happen.

WvW need major attention. New skins and another boring season based on blobs and nightcaps wont do the job.

Worst thing is that there is no “light at the end of the tunnel.” This entire topic will we ignored. New map takes 6 month? And they are not even working on one yet? Actually, even if the new map would be released next week i still dont think wvw would become fun again. As the core problems:

1) “PPT—>encourages boring gameplay” Every sieged up t3 is bad news for funfights.
2) “WvW has no reason to play it(unrewarding and lack of motivation)”
3) “Blobbing”
4) “No GVG support”

will remain in the game. Im beyond asking for attention for wvw. Just go ahead with more JPs and waypointmastery. The fact that YOUR wvw community organized highlights like the GvGs of TA and Agg which were followed on twitch by way more players then all of your official Pve and Spvp tournaments combined should have been an eyeopener for you. These players took your game and turned it into something better. They organise themselves and turn water into wine. Ignorance is your reward for them. It could have been the Esport you always wished Spvp would be. But its not Spvp your game could be awesome at. Its WvW and its GvG.

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Posted by: madassassin.1604

madassassin.1604

I think the reason why WvW is dead is because they added the Edge of Mists map. On my World, Kaineng, I always see people on that map and commanders, with battle going on. I had not played the game in a long while and I remember back in the day without this map, when I was a complete noob there were actual battles raging on the real maps that count toward your WvW score. Yeah you have a point, we need to do something about this. I also think that if this problem is going to be solved, Edge of the Mists has got to be removed because everybody just spends time there and not actually participating in an epic, strategic battle.

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Posted by: wingclip.6182

wingclip.6182

I feel the same.

Besides the shared WvWexp fix and the Sanctum GVG corner there hasnt been anything new to WvW since launch that affected the game mode in a positive way. EotM was a big waste of devtime. Ruins had no Impact (waste of devtime again). Seasons promoted PPT-Blobbing, Siegeoverkill, Serverstacking and Lag.

WvW-guilds are falling appart everywhere. Running around in BLs and EB looking for fights always results in facing T3 Towers loaded with ACs or 60+ Blobs facerolling accross the map. So the Raids end leaving players bored and annnoyed. Everyone is “looking for a new game” mindset by now.

Which is a shame. The fighting system of gw2 is awesome. For example: 20vs20 fights work perfectly and are fun and challenging. But since people are encouraged to blob for PPT those good fights hardly ever happen.

WvW need major attention. New skins and another boring season based on blobs and nightcaps wont do the job.

Worst thing is that there is no “light at the end of the tunnel.” This entire topic will we ignored. New map takes 6 month? And they are not even working on one yet? Actually, even if the new map would be released next week i still dont think wvw would become fun again. As the core problems:

1) “PPT—>encourages boring gameplay” Every sieged up t3 is bad news for funfights.
2) “WvW has no reason to play it(unrewarding and lack of motivation)”
3) “Blobbing”
4) “No GVG support”

will remain in the game. Im beyond asking for attention for wvw. Just go ahead with more JPs and waypointmastery. The fact that YOUR wvw community organized highlights like the GvGs of TA and Agg which were followed on twitch by way more players then all of your official Pve and Spvp tournaments combined should have been an eyeopener for you. These players took your game and turned it into something better. They organise themselves and turn water into wine. Ignorance is your reward for them. It could have been the Esport you always wished Spvp would be. But its not Spvp your game could be awesome at. Its WvW and its GvG.

Some WvW topic just got deleted. So someone must be reading it.

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Posted by: Jarrix.8234

Jarrix.8234

WvW-guilds are falling appart everywhere. Running around in BLs and EB looking for fights always results in facing T3 Towers loaded with ACs or 60+ Blobs facerolling accross the map. So the Raids end leaving players bored and annnoyed. Everyone is “looking for a new game” mindset by now.

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Posted by: Xillllix.3485

Xillllix.3485

If ESO’s combat system would have been as good as Guild War’s I would have left a long time ago; It has a better WvW engine, better server system, more siege variety, a much bigger and more varied WvW map with beautiful interiors, npcs and optional quests.

However since gameplay is the foremost important feature of a game, I find myself forced to wait until Anet fix and update their WvW. I’m still getting stuck everywhere in the landscape, I can’t believe they haven’t fixed that bug yet.

You would think Anet would offer a GvG game mode so that their WvW wouldn’t be compared side to side with other MMOs but is seems they wish to offer the exact same WvW mode as the other games and nothing more.

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Posted by: HarryTasker.5623

HarryTasker.5623

You play on the most stacked, siege using, blobbing, ppt matters most server in guild wars 2. Did you honestly think moving there would help you find fights?

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Posted by: Xillllix.3485

Xillllix.3485

You play on the most stacked, siege using, blobbing, ppt matters most server in guild wars 2. Did you honestly think moving there would help you find fights?

None the less the OP is right, WvW isn’t what it used to be. In our tier it is mostly a battleground for guilds battles, most don’t care about PPT anymore. People that aren’t members of a WvW guild often have no tag to follow even on reset night. Also I will support anyone that makes a request for a GvG gamemode, no matter what server they play on.

The irony is that simply adding EOTM to the PPT rotation would bring life back to the game.

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Posted by: Laylie.5703

Laylie.5703

You play on the most stacked, siege using, blobbing, ppt matters most server in guild wars 2. Did you honestly think moving there would help you find fights?

I moved to a server that had good competition. I also play in the least stacked timezone on the server other then the completely dead timezone of EU. NA was lacking so I transferred with my guild there. I left said guild to join a good zergbusting group because I had done PPT, blobbing for far too long. The fact of the matter is it did find more fights if you weren’t so ignorant and blind you would know it is the SEA crew on JQ that is ruining everything. That is besides the point.

I love how Anet changed the title of this thread to WvW is dying. They did that I did not. So they literally just confirmed my suspicions with them changing the title. They don’t give a flying kitten about the game mode so you all might as well jump ship to ESO, Archeage, or Camelot if you want real RvR. It is sad to some people trying to defend this game. All Anet is, is a money hungry company that is a fraction of what it was back in the good old days of GW1.

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Posted by: morrolan.9608

morrolan.9608

You play on the most stacked, siege using, blobbing, ppt matters most server in guild wars 2.

I see how the dialogue is going to go if there is a S3, sorry to burst your bubble but JQ isn’t the most stacked server. We are stacked in SEA time, that is all.

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Posted by: JJBigs.8456

JJBigs.8456

You play on the most stacked, siege using, blobbing, ppt matters most server in guild wars 2.

I see how the dialogue is going to go if there is a S3, sorry to burst your bubble but JQ isn’t the most stacked server. We are stacked in SEA time, that is all.

No actually, JQ has more in most timezones than others. The thing about the other servers “Strong NA” is that since the game is NA, no matter what there will be at least a modicum of resistance. This was proven on SoR, they had a strong NA but even with that its never enough to win because the t3 keeps JQ has are still time consuming to take with even small resistence. No server wants to hit garry every night when they could be having real fights so having strong NA doesnt make a server good, its the other time zones that really matter. Even though JQ isnt stacked NA, the game has enough NA players to defend keeps.

There has been times its out#‘d on all 4 maps, JQ will have a 40+ zerg. Thats truly out#’d. When there is like literally 3 people on the map. Not just when you have 20-30 people on the map but not organized or have no commander etc because at least there are people to use the AC’s.

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Posted by: SonofNoob.3102

SonofNoob.3102

You play on the most stacked, siege using, blobbing, ppt matters most server in guild wars 2.

I see how the dialogue is going to go if there is a S3, sorry to burst your bubble but JQ isn’t the most stacked server. We are stacked in SEA time, that is all.

JQ is the most stacked server, that is why you won season 2 and it is why you have won by the biggest margins in T1 since S2 has ended. No one is buying the SoX propaganda anymore.

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Shademehr.1397

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Posted by: Blix.8021

Blix.8021

You play on the most stacked, siege using, blobbing, ppt matters most server in guild wars 2.

I see how the dialogue is going to go if there is a S3, sorry to burst your bubble but JQ isn’t the most stacked server. We are stacked in SEA time, that is all.

JQ is the most stacked server, that is why you won season 2 and it is why you have won by the biggest margins in T1 since S2 has ended. No one is buying the SoX propaganda anymore.

JQ won s2 because we traded wins with TC and then beat TC on the last week because TC has little ocx/sea.

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Posted by: ykyk.2740

ykyk.2740

Good to see threads can turn into mud-slinging against servers for no reason whatsoever.

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Posted by: Twinbros.5372

Twinbros.5372

It’s definitely dying in Tier 1. But that’s because JQ does nothing but super blob all the time. Don’t mind fighting against BG because they win with strategy not numbers, but JQ is all about the numbers and nothing more. After 8 weeks of facing them I’m ready to get TC back to tier 2 so we can avoid that realm and get back to real WvW where battles are won with skill and not numbers.

That or form a perma alliance with BG and do nothing but tag team JQ every day till their realm bleeds some players out and gets their realms population more in sync with the other two. And the nonsense about not having stacked time zones all the time is BS, I have yet to see a timezone that JQ doesnt have a considerable force.

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Posted by: SonofNoob.3102

SonofNoob.3102

It’s definitely dying in Tier 1. But that’s because JQ does nothing but super blob all the time. Don’t mind fighting against BG because they win with strategy not numbers, but JQ is all about the numbers and nothing more. After 8 weeks of facing them I’m ready to get TC back to tier 2 so we can avoid that realm and get back to real WvW where battles are won with skill and not numbers.

That or form a perma alliance with BG and do nothing but tag team JQ every day till their realm bleeds some players out and gets their realms population more in sync with the other two. And the nonsense about not having stacked time zones all the time is BS, I have yet to see a timezone that JQ doesnt have a considerable force.

I agree, TC and BG should team up and teach JQ a lesson and give them a taste of their own medicine.

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Posted by: chrisgr.3849

chrisgr.3849

what the server vs server issue have to do with this post??get over that and fockus on the real problem that is anet and the way that she acts to all of the players that enjoy-ors at lest try o enjoy- the wvwvw the last 6 monts

if you realise the the problem is the way that wvwvwv is at the moment..so mater will hapen betwin servers you have all the time those issues
this is not something that have to do with the servers and how the play..they just use the game…to change something they need to change the game a bit

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Posted by: SonofNoob.3102

SonofNoob.3102

You play on the most stacked, siege using, blobbing, ppt matters most server in guild wars 2.

I see how the dialogue is going to go if there is a S3, sorry to burst your bubble but JQ isn’t the most stacked server. We are stacked in SEA time, that is all.

JQ is the most stacked server, that is why you won season 2 and it is why you have won by the biggest margins in T1 since S2 has ended. No one is buying the SoX propaganda anymore.

JQ won s2 because we traded wins with TC and then beat TC on the last week because TC has little ocx/sea.

Win trading, how pathetic.

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Posted by: chrisgr.3849

chrisgr.3849

O this is gold. Not only did they change the title of the thread from Thanks Anet to Wvw is dying. But they changed it yet again when I pointed out that even they are admitting it by adding an Imo at the end of the title. Clearly they actively read these threads it’s quite pathetic we get a no response to any of our frustrations. Where are the so called community managers that are supposed to interact with us. STILL waiting on the CDI for the tournaments that you guys said would happen on your livestream. You can’t just magically poof that away like you do other comments.

Honestly what happened to you guys.

probly nothing happens to them
we know that they read the posts and delete or change the title when they dont like something

maybe thet is me but those actions makes me thing that the try to make all the old players to stop the game
why?
is simply the most of them they dont realy need to spend any gems..,they have all that they need
they play long time so they have farm karma/mats and the most important GOLD so they do what ever they like
even if they play the most ofthe time wvwvvw lots of them they have gather gold

in the end is gems-new players that play a nerfing game when comes up to mats so they will spemd gems- and old players that have all and they only that they do is to QQ on forum about changes etc

who do you thing that he wins on the end?