Guild Wars 2

TwiceDead.1963:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Useful for timing an interrupt while stunned. Get the CC off and a possible PI whil eyou wait to be …uhh…un-stunned?…stunless?

Wait to recover?

That sounds better

Useful for timing an interrupt while stunned. Get the CC off and a possible PI whil eyou wait to be …uhh…un-stunned?…stunless?

OriOri.8724:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

There’s a reason why thieves/rogues/ninjas were masters of mobility. If he runs, you won that engagement. If you get beat, then learn to adapt your playstyle. There is much init waste when SB 5-ing away. I’m far from perfect at any class, however I get better because I know how to adapt :p

Considering you don’t get points for the other player running away, no you didn’t win. At best you can call that a stalemate. People don’t like thief because they can beat it in a fight, yet the thief can disengage so easily that it can slip away from a fight where it was beaten, and then come back later.

I guess for some, winning is more than just the points (myself I pvp for the fights over caps/points. Someone runs away from me while fighting, I won that interaction and won a feel good moment) Doesnt mean I dont try to win the overall match, just that i know I will eventually get the cap so i fight away.

Taobella.6597:

ranger not used because they do not have cleave.

They have cleave (Sword/GS and even technically LB with piercing shots can hit up to 5 people)

Just wanted to throw that in there.

imo there’s nothing wrong with SB. I personally never have outside PvE mapping and never needed it or thought “if I had SB, i could have done better”

Once I got the idea that I didnt need it and learned to do without, i found that I got way better at teefing. I used to think that SB was king of a staple but for me, if im in a fight, i fight to win, not to run. I prefer more DPS myself than what the SB can provide.

There’s a reason why thieves/rogues/ninjas were masters of mobility. If he runs, you won that engagement. If you get beat, then learn to adapt your playstyle. There is much init waste when SB 5-ing away. I’m far from perfect at any class, however I get better because I know how to adapt :p

Now, lets have some bacon and be friends.

Blockhead Magee.3092:

I do hate thieves in WvW. Which is why I roam around looking for them to kill.

Depending on your tier I hope I come across you some time and we can duel

To the OP:

That is the risk of capping a point that they have fast access to. You needed to adapt to the situation and needed to come up with a better strat (which is also a mild l2p). as a Daredevil main in WvW, I need to understand this myself, else im not taking that point w/o someone helping me.

Also…gj on the 3v1 :p

Balthazzarr.1349:

ahh.. people that say Rangers aren’t useful in a zerg just don’t know how to play Ranger/Druid imo. They can be very useful although not as supportive by any means as Guards etc… One caveat… field fighting is not a place for Rangers or Thiefs… I agree that they really don’t support the team the way it needs to be supported…

but…. When you’re needing some good range and straggler picking the Ranger is great for that. AOE on walls, taking down things at 1500 range etc etc. Frequent enough in a fast moving group that it’s useful.

A havoc team is a better place for a Ranger after all is said and done, and/or roaming.

Thiefs? Well thiefs are good little 1v1 beasts in the roaming world… hiding and hitting from behind before you can fight back and so on. In a group? I love to see them because they drop like flies and nothing makes me happier than pummeling a thief into the ground.

As a thief main in WvW, I love being in group fights (even ZvZ). I will admit it took me a while to figure out why thieves are useless in bigger group fights. Most don’t know what they are doing and some better ones will go for anything outside the AoE rings in the middle of the fight.

I have been in zerg fights were I maybe downed once/twice due to losing map awareness. I will, in fact, aim for the driver if I can confirm who it is and wait for the to move outside the rings, otherwise I aim for backline/sideline condi necros, LB/sw+wh druids and glint revs. More often than not, they all die before I do :p

apharma.3741:

2 firebrand, 2 scourge and either another scourge or optional Utility. Lots of stab, barrier, corrupts and range while also not being easily pushed on.

We can call it the SFU meta, shame there’s no class beginning with a T….

ooh oohh i know this….TEMPEST

Do I win?

Expect to get beat… a lot at first, until you learn the areas/builds/strats

I just want to point out that meta isn’t king.

I rarely use meta builds and usually manage to do better than those that do. Meta is more of a starting point to get to know a style of build before you tweak it to match your playstyle.

Mind you there is nothing wrong with playing meta, however my style is more “Meta is boring, non meta, that really works, is more fun”

Sigmoid.7082:

Apolo.5942:

Max fire damage before HoT around 800
Max fire damage post HoT over 5k

Enough said.

such a well thought out argument.
Besides burning before hot had its own issues.

Condi cleanses/resistance before HoT: Little
Condi Cleanses/Resistance post HoT: A lot more

all leads to an adapting issue as well as l2p (and I main a class that has no cleanses to waste)

I personally just moved to discord about a weekish ago, and my guild has moved over with little to no issue. I do like the permission system. I find it better to ts myself, more customizability, i find it offers more in terms of bots, easier to use. Musicbot that my guild can manage with their own playlists using the 1 bot.

Reminds me of Apple vs Android….Apple (ts) is easier to look at and simpler to use however Android (discord) has more customization and more you can add to it and it still not much harder to use.

If you are looking for lower tier server, Sorrows Furnace has a good community

In all fairness, get 40 condi reapers together and the same thing will happen. 40 burn DH and similar will happen. 40 condi thieves and similar will happen. (in all reality, 40 any 1 class will drop anything)

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

Kovu.7560:

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

Now, for using stealth to get out of combat:
This changes literally nothing.

Maybe for the two professions with 1527 teleports. On ranger (well, druid) stealthing away to escape combat is a fairly common approach I take. I imagine some engineers would feel the same way.

~ Kovu

I’ve chased a ranger to the ends of the earth. The stealth isn’t necessary to escape combat unless you’re totally overrun.

As for engineer, it accomplishes nothing. Engie’s only long enough stealth is on a gyro, and the gyro will keep you in combat anyway.

I can claim false on both terms (as I have mained engi and ranger/druid…ranger being my most played to date)

I have seen a lot of situations where stealth was a make or break for strategies (both zvz and 1v1 and 1v2)

Say what you will, using 1 druid in your rebuttal doesnt mean that all druids are the same way. There has been many times where stealth from LB and leaving astral force led me to victory. They may not have used stealth but not everyone uses that 1 build. Please don’t blanket all druids need for steal based on 1 instance.

Scrapper/Engi. Same thing. When I ran my DPS bunker buster build, stealth was important, despite being in combat sometimes. It allowed me to reposition myself strategically. Even when I ran P/P engi, my stealth allowed me to get teh first burst on my opponent. Without it made it significantly harder (blowtorch is really touchy on positioning).

Mesmer uses it more for survival. Help them with shatter bursts, condi bombs however it lets them gtfo more often than not. I still see groups use veil (saw one a monthish ago with 2 chronos using viel) Thieves are squishy af so it helps for both survival and DPS spikes (cept the ol ghost thiefs…however they got nerfed). Lots still go the smokefield/SB blasts for group stealth.

Depending on what tier server you are in, you may see it, you may not.

Now…lets have some bacon.

i hated necro/reaper (80 hours played since HoT) but I WANT SCOURGE TOO

If you are specced for pulm impact on interrupt, then you are golden. Stall auto is a channeled skill (meaning easily interruptible). The poison on AA (if specced for such, you didnt really provide your build for more specific help) then you will whittle him down faster than he you. Dont be afraid to kill his pets. Go behind something to pull his pet. Theres a lengthy CD on pets when they are killed.

Looks like the video isnt available for me. Aki, care to share your build? I want to see what changed since last time.

Wisdom.4712:

If you are “literally” being burst down in 1 second by a thief either 1) You were at half HP and didn’t react at all or 2) You were at 100% HP, took your hands off the keyboard to sip your coffee and lost track of time.

Or 3, are running full zerk. Couldnt tell ya how many people I bursted down who were running full zerk.

But to OP, as common as this answer will be…L2P. Roll a thief and you will see how much your statement over exaggerates the reality of the class. They are meant to be the most mobile class (as typically rogues/assassins/ninjas are meant to be).

If you are NA and need help , Ill duel ya and give you pointers.

My pewpew druid gets them condi teefs everytime

AikijinX.6258:

Sontaran.5904:

This video is awesome. I loved the use of shadow step to setup the one shot backstab. You also switched to staff at the right moments, which I thought was great. I’ve been using a staff and d/p setup in wvw roaming lately and it’s been a blast. I wish it worked for pvp, but I find that pvp requires sb, so I run different setups there.

Thanks for the love bro ! I really appreciate it. And yes unfortunately the pace and terrain of PvP is really fast, so use of anything else other than D/P— SB really is ill-advised and un-recommended. Although DE Rifle looks to bring some ranged cover support soon to come. So in that aspect, DE looks semi promising. Rifle—SB

Hello Senpai, I still use my modified build you provided a while back, still does crazy amount of damage (modded it a it more so I can push over 4k power). It may be a while but im glad you are back in NA so one day I can duel you.

now COURTYARD, there was a prime map. No points, no NPC’s, no real mechanic just a free for all…a true PvP map.

atheria.2837:

Lacuda.8543:

Duels in WvW are hardly uncommon, you see them everywhere and the guys usually harass/give incredible attitude to you if you happen to slaughter their counterparts from other servers. Then the whispers start.
Obsidian Sanctum had a revision done to it to encourage duelers to move along to more appropriate territory. The Mists has literally set up servers to have a 1v1 capability. They even gave us the ability to great arenas in our guild halls!
Yet still, see groups of players dueling in WvW being a general annoyance to everyone, and when you mistake their group for roamers they act like we’re the problem.
They claim they do it mostly for their dailies.

My solution? Simple. Create a dueling daily/set of dueling dailies that work in Obsidian Sanctum’s arena, and that area only. Put a button in the “B” tab that teleports straight there, call it “Duelists Arena” or some such thing.

Most duelers are toxic – they need to be removed from WvW.

A dueling daily would just move it for a couple of seconds, can’t see how it would stop it in EBG or near south camp/ruins on the Alpine maps.

Killing duelers is sport for some, prescripted by others and tolerated to laughed at by many.

In any case, I wish they’d be addressed and moved off WvW.

I duel quite often (helps im usually a solo roamer) and although I cannot speak for your experience, I can say that most wvw duelers are not. There was maybe one instance I saw one being toxic so we moved to a new dueling location (over 2 years ago mind you). Ive dueled against every tier server and dueled most of the NA servers. Sorry if you had a poor experience, however blanketing all duelers with 1-2 bad experiences (assuming you didnt provoke anything yourself) only shows how toxic you are.

starlinvf.1358:

Its an Elite skill….. double heals, double net and fire turret, and all of them deal explosive damage when traited, and the kitten thing has a huge AOE stun on landing.

240 units wouldn’t pass anyone as “huge”

monded.7016:

links are killing wvw ther no fielong for sommitie just loot.buth oke a net wants that i qeus keep dream alive. I have player quit wvw cause the new links buth gg not everey 1 wants to kittening blob

I dont blob myself and I think the linkings are good. More people for me to beat and take structures from :p

So….is there a point when someone can come in and say (condis are not OP, the ways/frequency they can be applies are. Until those are addressed, just adapt and move on.)?

monded.7016:

oke let me be clear about 1 thing.
if u think these links are any good ure bandwagener ore karma trainer

I may be a minority here, however i really dont care one way or another. Im still going to fight some fights, take some camps/towers/keeps and at some point get beat. Doesnt matter who I am with or who we are facing. Its fun either way.

Also i’m not a k-trainer or bandwagoner. I always have fun in WvW because I try not to stress about things out of my control.

Zoltreez.6435:

A necro does not have a reliable safe stomp no matter the build or spec or skills….

let me add this also to my 400 miles long List of stuff Necros don’t have….

Well…reaper shroud has access to stability so its technically a safe stomp

Hello Necro world, I have a question….

I plan on dusting off my necro (after 2+ years of little to no action) and possibly co-main a scourge (Its a big deal for me as I main a teef and to me…a good necro is a dead one), however Scourge surprised the hell out of me to the point I played it and I loved it.

So…as my title mentions, I didnt notice during that demo weekend, however does anyone remember if the scourge had a form of safe stomp?

Jayne.9251:

I’m just excited that someone is finally willing to duel me. Sniff.

Lol id duel anyone, anytime im on. Im not that good but id still do it. Only way to get better is to fight against better.

Because in reality they are scared of what Scourge is going to bring and they are trying to psyche you out so you dont play it and lose.

Malerian.8435:

Jayne.9251:

Malerian.8435:

Nah the only BL I was in last night was Mag. And I do not regularly Duel. But if you see me out there go ahead and whisper me and we can to a Guild Hall and have a proper fight. I do not duel in WvW. WvW is not for dueling. If I see you dueling you will die, unless your friends help you.

lol you’re reminding me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I73sP93-0xA

You are always on these forums talking smack and posting stupid things. You are probably some little kid who has no clue… Just go back to your mom and dad’s basement and be a good kid now. Hate to have to hurt your feelings by owning you. Hell my tanky vanilla guard could probably own you lol.

This would be a fight id love to spectate…and maybe be a part of :p

Choppy.4183:

Fat Disgrace.4275:

Choppy.4183:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Choppy.4183:

Malerian.8435:

1 v 1 me and I will show you how to fight lol. Just lets do it in a guild hall or OS. Cause if I were dueling in WvW I would expect to get run over by a zerg or other players. That is why it is called WvW, and not 1 v 1…

Not that it’s relevant to our conversation, but sure. When works for you and what server are you on?

Hi I’d take that offer up too

The more the merrier, I say.

i would lol though if he beat you 2v1 xD

So would I, but I don’t think that was on the table anyway. I just assumed he wanted a regular duel, and at least a couple of us are willing to oblige. If that turns into a fite nite, ask the better.

@Big Papa Smurf
You should join us!

tell me when and where. I need more practice vs your class (assuming you are still running it) and I am a roamer so I enjoy 1v1 / small scale fights.

Choppy.4183:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Choppy.4183:

Malerian.8435:

1 v 1 me and I will show you how to fight lol. Just lets do it in a guild hall or OS. Cause if I were dueling in WvW I would expect to get run over by a zerg or other players. That is why it is called WvW, and not 1 v 1…

Not that it’s relevant to our conversation, but sure. When works for you and what server are you on?

Hi I’d take that offer up too

The more the merrier, I say.

Scrub warrior,lol….j/k choppy #respect

Sly.9518:

cptaylor.2670:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Lol 5 seconds for Pulm impact. If you keep attacking when one of us are spamming headshot, you need to learn to get beat and learn.

I have never seen more than 2 pulm impacts on 1 person (i dont spam HS but I do do a 1-2 interrupt combo that doesnt usually interrupt both times)

I think this may be geared towards choking gas and how rapidly you gain poison stacks before you even have time to move off of choking gas. Combined potential immobilizes from sword or poisons.

You mean the skill that dazes maybe once in it’s whole duration?

If thats the case, then whoever stays in it long enough deserves to get pulm’d lol

Wish I would have taken a screenie of my scourge…I was pretty much the exact opposite

Swamurabi.7890:

One sure sign of a disciplined zerg is when they pass by a duel and nobody attacks.

I have mad respect for this kind of zerg.

ZombieSlayeR.8702:

Why dont Zergers go to Obsi to fight other Zergs … so much room there smh.
Make WvW a Duel spot again.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

I usually just watch for a moment and watch for signs of a duel (stomping, 2v1, someone interrupting…etc) and once I see something, I then go in. If I don’t see a /bow if a fight starts around me, I also jump in.

Maybe its because i usually run solo/duo or i follow the golden rules, who knows. If I can tell its a duel, I just move along. Its not hurting me if people are dueling, nor will I act like an idiot if someone tells me to stop attacking, or that its a duel. Thats the difference between being ignorant and not caring, or being respectful despite where the fight takes place.

Its a game

ZhouX.8742:

I can agree with holosmith, even then it has limitations with the heating mechanism but soulbeast is garbage , riddled with bugs, smoke assault is nerfed and is only a portion of the time and doesn’t even proc evades.. While the idea of soulbeast might seem like it’s “more warrior than warrior” , it’s not , it’s a really bad class and it is only even mentioned because of the pet bug that allows it to do 40k+ dmg , which will be fixed.

Spellbreaker is a really good spec and while I main ranger, I’ve actually had a fun time on spellbreaker and might even swap over. I’m still not done testing with scourge or mirage though.

Pet Bug?

sneakytails.5629:

Cerby.1069:

Ughhh save urself the trouble and don’t bother. I tried running vanilla gunblame with the recent buffs/nerfs and it was pretty horrible. The damage IS there no doubt about that. But relying on killshot isn’t practical at all. 1. its slow and it makes you a huge target. 2. its very hard to land on a moving target since u are stationary and the projectile isn’t fast so it often parabola’s wrong and misses. 3. there are so many blocks that you have to time it with ur unblockable….and considering how often ur likely to miss its hard not to waste ur unblockable. 4. you will feel the need to land the burst on anything so long as it grants the 21% dmg increase…..making the whole idea of killshot laughable.

I dont find Killshot laughable, and neither do the many peeps I have stomped who did not respect the rifle. Both my Core Axe/Axe-Rifle main, and a second Core warrior who is built around Rifle specifically (Rifle-Sword/Shield) do well enough for me not to drop it outright.

Killshot becomes much stronger when you use the rest of the rifle, and especially your 2nd weapon set and get good setups.

Some of my best killshots are on thiefs too.

Haha…stupid teefs getting hit with killshot

Don’t care for some of the stances (I liek the heal and vulture…dont get what the elite one does tho), however this elite fixes the 1, and only one issue I had with Ranger/Druid…. no access to all of the pet’s attacks.

I am going to admit, this gives a lil ol thoerycrafter a joygasm with the build diversity this brings where now you can access pet’s abilities to better cover your own weaknesses/add to your strengths (cleanses/CC’s/Ranged attacks, more condi applications…etc)

Jayne.9251:

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

XenesisII.1540:

Nothing wrong with thieves you guys need to l2p.
And use stealth traps for heaven’s sake.

my deadeye is not threatened with stealth traps. *Triggers trap then uses new elite to go stealth"

I’ll see your elite and raise you a Moa.

Hmmm, I will need to use all of my cunning…

I ALT+F4 Bwahahahahahaha

XenesisII.1540:

Nothing wrong with thieves you guys need to l2p.
And use stealth traps for heaven’s sake.

my deadeye is not threatened with stealth traps. *Triggers trap then uses new elite to go stealth"

samuel.8495:

I haven’t played the game for a long time and I was thinking of coming back. I was looking for a tankier ranged class to play that had support options. I like solo and small group roaming so I used to play grenade engi a lot. I’m not sure if that’s still an option, but I also don’t want to get carpal tunnel lol.

Anyways, I was just looking for some advice regarding a durable ranged class that can run around solo or help out a small group. It doesn’t have to do the most damage or be the best support, mainly just something that is self-sufficient on it’s own but can bring something valuable to a group. I have HoT and plan to get PoF, so elite spec suggestions are welcome

Well…Druid would be one. Dragon hunter would be another. Those are the top 2 roaming range classes imo

Junkpile.7439:

Real roamers fight 50 vs 1.

LEROY JENKINS!!!!!!!!!!!

For PI, one thing I found works when fighting a headshot spam DD is to stop attacking and dodge/evade.

Headshot uses a lot of initiative and if a D/D is skill less enough to spam it and hope for the best, then he deserves to get beat. They are the ones that will truly bail as soon as their init is up. While I am not arguing that Headshot isn’t strong (as this is really the only way to get 2+ stacks on quickly w/o using the slot utility), you will know within the first 5s if you are facing a HS spammer. If so, force out his HS’s by using any quick attacks (ones that will finish before the HS connects, thus interrupting)

If they can beat you by interrupting you even half the fight, then you as well are doing something wrong. What Class/build are you using?

Lol 5 seconds for Pulm impact. If you keep attacking when one of us are spamming headshot, you need to learn to get beat and learn.

I have never seen more than 2 pulm impacts on 1 person (i dont spam HS but I do do a 1-2 interrupt combo that doesnt usually interrupt both times)

I don’t know which my statement’s side is going to land on (needs a nerf / doesn’t need a nerf):

As my signature suggests, I have been a thief main (for at least 6-7 months) in WvW and I believe that a good necro is a dead one. Couldn’t stand how bad they were and what they were lacking which made them easy targets, as well as the quick 20+ stacks of bleed you can apply (spin-to-win doesnt help this lol)

Watching the scourge game play when Anet unveiled it intrigued me. No shroud (technically) this time, and giving a “barrier” mechanic. This meant a weaker 2nd HP pool access. Its different and wondered how they were going to survive.

After I played the classes I was really interested in, I gave scourge a try. The Sand Shade mechanic was interesting (I personally found the 1 large one better than the 3 small, however I tested this mostly in group fights…in smaller fights, the 3 were more useful). Once I nailed down a rotation with them, it felt good. Not OP, not overly “unbalanced” given what the scourge lacks, but it felt good

The direction it was created for (corruption/boon removal) gave the necro another reason to be a corruptionmancer, yet the slotted abilities were support-y and torch was what I thought it should be.

These amazed me enough to pursue the creation of one once the expansion is live. Its definitely suited better for bigger scale fights (like the mirage for smaller scale / 1v1 but thats another discussion for another forum)

The traits synergize well for condi builds, however the class seemed it was made with condis in mind, so hopefully this is a sign that condi damage/applications will be looked at sooner than later by Anet. There isn’t many strong options for straight DPS builds for scourge, however it is def a good condi contender.

TL:DR; I love killing reapers/necros but scourge may be my 1st “ZvZ or GvG” class.