Guild Wars 2

Azukas.1426:

I don’t agree. You are enacting punishment on behalf of Anet. Let them fail on their own.

Also what happened did not happen during your tournament and you have no business punishing ppl.

They have all the business in the world upholding integrity in a tournament who willingly donates money to players (funded by a community).

If you are a prominent, visible part of a community and you take the time to cheat and screw said community with petty actions, why would they keep you around? What example does that set and what does it say about the already struggling competitive scene?

Bad thieves are surprisingly able to live through too much, and good thieves are hellishly over tuned. Could use some toning down.

1v1 me helseth you weapon stowing pleb, with your about-face phase retreats.

I didn’t even capitalize your name, get dunked on.

I’d like to organize a dedicated ceremony to the death of power berserker.

If someone would like to recommend a location (personally I was thinking outside of ArenaNet’s headquarters) we can look to find a peaceful spot to celebrate this already underpowered PvP spec getting nerfed into oblivion by cash grabs. Please bring Pizza.

We can include any other specs that were thoroughly destroyed by wild incompetence as well.

This is insane. Probably the most shameless “buy the expansion or perish” they could have pulled.

Sun Lian, as much as it pains me to just drop the ole “L2P” in a thread it’s realistically the only approach you’ve left anyone.

I mained Mesmer, switched to guardian and switched to Warrior over the years. I have almost exclusively run Power builds and 6 months ago, I might’ve given your claims more credibility. Playing through the nerfs, while I still have fun with warrior, sPvP is really rough against good players. Workable, but absolutely not overpowered. Basic mechanics have always been pretty easy on warrior, but the current cast times are very punishing if the other player knows what to look for.

You don’t know what to look for. Play what you struggle against.

It’s because someone at ArenaNet thought nerfing ALL of Warriors decent CC was a good fix.

Basically, if you can bait dodges, 1v1 is doable. But against anyone with half a brain, you’ll likely get kited all day. It’s in a very bad place right now and I’m really hoping ArenaNet fixes it.

Shock value and degenerative humor are thoroughly entrenched in gaming culture. I think its hilariously ineffective to simply ask people to stop, but a censor could be used.

People can certainly set examples, but anonymity will always dictate some horrible things being said.

Babazhook is entitled to his opinion; if you have fun running without endure pain, good for you.

I personally take outnumbered fights super often so there’s 0 choice for me, it’s just too good. And honestly, When running full zerk/marauder power build, I really can’t think of a reason not to in normal fights, especially running eternal champion for all them juicy stabs. WvW on high tier servers are filled with big groups, tons of midfight +1’s over and over, and 25 blood lust stack thieves roaming in groups of two who actually know how to play their class.

Endure Pain for me is almost a means of saying I respect the intelligence of who I might go against. Or I respect the combined pressure of 3 people vs me where I can tank infinite power pressure for 4 seconds and kill someone who over commits and win a fight I never would without it.

Power Builds tend to indicate a person knows how to play their class because in the current meta, it’s quite a bit harder to make them work. Endure Pain for me is beating that scholar rune mesmer who knows his stuff, the patient thief who wants to reopen after proccing my traited EP from stealth, that occasional power Rev I wildly underestimate etc.

That’s all i’m gonna say on EP; because what everyone CAN agree on is that the balance team made a large misstep on shield bash and it should be changed back.

They broke TOS for the game, and they did it in a competitive game mode. They mocked awards for competitive events by doing this for other crappy people. They did this with Cash involved, breaking TOS again. They did this as people that are seen as important within the PvP community, and they set an example of toxic, dishonest behavior. They devalued sportsmanship, and they enabled people to attempt to take credit for things they did not accomplish.

Any person with a fully formed brain should see why they were banned from a competitive tournament given their actions. Kdaddy, take your strawman BS somewhere else.

Here’s an idea in case you need incredibly direct correlation: If a team is willing to account share for profit in these tournaments, they show the potential to screw with Non-Lan events in the same manner in the future.

They show they could do things like create a team simply to give themselves more chances to knock out other teams.

They show that if there is a cash prize and a tournament is open entry, they would be scummy enough to enter twice with two different names to double their chances at collecting. (And if someone is stupid enough to say “well what if they’re matched together” they get a by from technical difficulties, any amount of BS).

Even if a tournament is set up in mind to prevent crap like this from happening, the entire ban is based on PRINCIPLE.

Kdaddy, do you understand what principle is? Does anyone trying to defend this crap have any idea what credibility is? Are you so far detached from reality or fanboying so hard you can’t grasp that for any sport to succeed or have any value, Identity and Reputation are paramount?

Jebro is throwing a tournament for a competitive mode in GW2, the very same type of game mode that was abused for personal gain and toxic behavior on the exact same kittening platform.

You can’t fix stupid can you, why even try.

Zerging is fun, roaming is fun, and ArenaNet has made some positive changes and I don’t really perceive the decay as being an issue. I say this as someone who largely roams.

I will keep playing this game mode for the fights. The increase in rewards is tangible, and those of us who actually enjoy player versus player combat and the challenges within will keep playing regardless, veteran or otherwise.

This is the same guy that complained about “no auto-loot on death”. I don’t think anyone takes you seriously, and your quest to make an already casual game even MORE casual is petty and indefensible.

This game’s competitive PvP has had lots of issues with being viable, honest, and enjoyable. It is not on the Abjured alone. It is something that has been addressed poorly by Anet in the past, and has worn down good players, and given a platform for toxicity.

However, this singular event and this teams reputation led to this justified outcome, and no prior mistakes in passing judgement in other areas have ANY bearing on this needing to happen. If you are defending these players, I ask you to really grasp this concept and how people should be held accountable; the social impact that it carries.

With The Abjured; they made/continue to make a joke out of themselves, the competitive scene, and those that supported them. In a game mode with so little viability for commercial success to begin with, people like this fed into an already bad situation. By Jebro taking a stand, by Anet being transparent, it shows people that there are those who are willing to at least attempt to be constructive.

I love arrogant PvP’ers. The friction it provides gets people interested, it creates drama, it provides fuel, it gets views.

Dishonesty, and a lack of caring for a community/scene doesn’t help anyone out. My hope is that people keep enforcing a culture that has the maturity to be inclusive, honest, and exciting to watch.

I would ask any and all leaders within this community to set the bar high even when it hurts. This game is so fun to play, and I do believe there has always been potential. If people keep constructively providing Anet and the community with their desires and Anet LISTENS, there’s a foundation here that can be used. I certainly won’t hold my breath, but I hope I can impart some sense of positive outlook for this competitive scene.

“Ok guys, so we’re really excited to show you what we’ve been working on for warrior. In today’s video we’ll be highlighting the SELLBREAKER. This class specializes in being introduced so that we can sell more copies of the game! We saw a couple hangs up that we wanted to correct, for instance… Players seemed to have a choice in taking Berserker over Sellbreaker! I mean despite all this broken meta changing stuff we brought in, we though it best for profit Margins if we just OBLITERATED the prior elite spec so that anyone invested in playing this game competitively HAS to buy Path of Fire! We are so excited with what we came up with and hope that we’ll see you in the Crystal Desert”

Ramoth.9064:

lol deserved.

You can always tell when there’s someone who can’t dodge giant telegraphs….

The least used class in sPvP at any high level is now even worse, sure, sounds deserved.

Gotta just put into context how silly all of this is.

-You have your best players in NA taking money to account share and Title grab for dweebs. What? You obviously are making a mockery of the very scene that made you even slightly relevant in e-sports. Good for you guys, looks like the immaturity is panning out great.

You have Helseth, a very popular member of this PvP community walk in and drop this: “Jeff’s team and others are just using this BS to disqualify people they can’t beat and faking outrage. I state this as facts (but will not provide evidence).” Really man? let’s say I trust your opinion, its not horribly implausible. Now I’m viewing even more players in this community as garbage people not worth supporting.

I’m not even going to start on people like Azukas cause this guy is beyond help. Thanks for feeding the monkey’s Helseth.

If this games competitive scene wasn’t enough of a joke already, the very people most visible within it are trashing eachother, trashing tournament hosts, and taking petty cash from neckbeards who want in game titles at the cost of their own reputation.

Slow clap for the NA scene, the witch hunting, the armchair psychologists, and a hilarious thread. At least someones talking about this game mode eh?

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

Amaimon.7823:

drcraig.9403:

OriOri.8724:

drcraig.9403:

ButterPeanut.9746 I expect you’re correct on both counts. At this point with almost 90 views I got exactly what I expected. No replies other than yours. Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.

You’re kidding right?

Well no, I’m not. The fact that you offered absolutely nothing to refute my claim speaks volumes. Thanks for your complete lack of substance. Please take the last word, I’ve already wasted enough time on you.

“I made an argument so vague that you can only say ‘what?’. And now that you said that I can say you can’t refute my claims. I win”

Would have been 10/10 roast if you added a tips fedora at the end.

I main warrior. ArenaNet has been massively incompetent over the years in so many areas/classes, and for long periods of time, warrior has been very strong/too strong. Ori doesn’t need to make an argument because the overwhelming inaccuracy of “nobody is treated as poorly as warrior” is hilarious.

Warrior is certainly in a horrid spot, but come on, ArenaNet treats most classes with complete ineptitude at random. I think the real hilarious bit is how awful warrior was already before that berserker nerf.

Sorry but saying you don’t need to make an argument, isn’t an argument. If you read my original post, I clearly ask for feedback from other professions. If Anet has taken your “Elite”, whatever it may be, and made it a complete joke I’d be interested in hearing it.

Lastly, until someone lists all the things I have to be happy about as a warrior main. I stand by my statement. What other professions have be nerfed to the scrap heap?

People are refuting your statement of “Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.” This is an exaggeration. There’s no argument, it’s speculation and its a joke.

I main warrior, and have very actively vocalized my issues with its current state and the changes to berserker. Context is lost on people.

Speculation? Yet you didn’t answer a simple question. What other profession has been ruined the way warrior has? If you can’t answer that, maybe you’re the joke. Take the last word, try not to waste it.

All of them have been ruined at different points in time, and since you’ve been living under a rock, and any player opinion is just that (opinion), please reference every single class sub forum. Maybe you weren’t around for ShoutBow and Hambow?

Every class in this game has been screwed by ArenaNet at different times, and it is not disproportionate to warrior. Mesmer is certainly strong now, but oh god has it always had awful PvP diversity and meta presence at time over the years. The stuff you are saying is vague and there is relativity to consider. Go grab a towel.

Sorry Crash, I knew you’d waste it. In the future before you interject with whatever useless information you have you really should read the original post. I was specifically speaking about the last 2 years since HoT release. Maybe you’re the one who should grab a towel. I’d say thanks but……

I feel sorry for you, I’m going to once again remind you that people, myself included, which I have tried to make abundantly clear multiple times, are refuting THIS statement, not your “original post”:

“nobody is treated as poorly as warrior”

Stop embarrassing yourself. I beg of you, learn how to read before posting on a forum.

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

Amaimon.7823:

drcraig.9403:

OriOri.8724:

drcraig.9403:

ButterPeanut.9746 I expect you’re correct on both counts. At this point with almost 90 views I got exactly what I expected. No replies other than yours. Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.

You’re kidding right?

Well no, I’m not. The fact that you offered absolutely nothing to refute my claim speaks volumes. Thanks for your complete lack of substance. Please take the last word, I’ve already wasted enough time on you.

“I made an argument so vague that you can only say ‘what?’. And now that you said that I can say you can’t refute my claims. I win”

Would have been 10/10 roast if you added a tips fedora at the end.

I main warrior. ArenaNet has been massively incompetent over the years in so many areas/classes, and for long periods of time, warrior has been very strong/too strong. Ori doesn’t need to make an argument because the overwhelming inaccuracy of “nobody is treated as poorly as warrior” is hilarious.

Warrior is certainly in a horrid spot, but come on, ArenaNet treats most classes with complete ineptitude at random. I think the real hilarious bit is how awful warrior was already before that berserker nerf.

Sorry but saying you don’t need to make an argument, isn’t an argument. If you read my original post, I clearly ask for feedback from other professions. If Anet has taken your “Elite”, whatever it may be, and made it a complete joke I’d be interested in hearing it.

Lastly, until someone lists all the things I have to be happy about as a warrior main. I stand by my statement. What other professions have be nerfed to the scrap heap?

People are refuting your statement of “Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.” This is an exaggeration. There’s no argument, it’s speculation and its a joke.

I main warrior, and have very actively vocalized my issues with its current state and the changes to berserker. Context is lost on people.

Speculation? Yet you didn’t answer a simple question. What other profession has been ruined the way warrior has? If you can’t answer that, maybe you’re the joke. Take the last word, try not to waste it.

All of them have been ruined at different points in time, and since you’ve been living under a rock, and any player opinion is just that (opinion), please reference every single class sub forum. Maybe you weren’t around for ShoutBow and Hambow?

Every class in this game has been screwed by ArenaNet at different times, and it is not disproportionate to warrior. Mesmer is certainly strong now, but oh god has it always had awful PvP diversity and meta presence at time over the years. The stuff you are saying is vague and there is relativity to consider. Go grab a towel.

Sorry Crash, I knew you’d waste it. In the future before you interject with whatever useless information you have you really should read the original post. I was specifically speaking about the last 2 years since HoT release. Maybe you’re the one who should grab a towel. I’d say thanks but……

I feel sorry for you, I’m going to once again remind you that people, myself included, which I have tried to make abundantly clear multiple times, are refuting THIS statement, not your “original post”:

“nobody is treated as poorly as warrior”

Stop embarrassing yourself. I beg of you, learn how to read before posting on a forum.

Haha my statement was an extension of my original post. HEELLLLOOOOO?? Anyone home?? Weren’t you the one who said “context is lost on people”? Boy were you right. Good luck in the future I have a feeling you’re really going to need it. LOL

Can’t tell if English is a second language for you, but I can tell you are full on triggered and it’s hilarious.

Look up the definition of a strawman argument. You’re talking in circles and bringing in stuff people don’t care about.

Yes, its nerfed into oblivion and considering that Warrior was already the least used class in high level play, anyone who says this was warranted or a “decent patch” is delusional.

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

drcraig.9403:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

Amaimon.7823:

drcraig.9403:

OriOri.8724:

drcraig.9403:

ButterPeanut.9746 I expect you’re correct on both counts. At this point with almost 90 views I got exactly what I expected. No replies other than yours. Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.

You’re kidding right?

Well no, I’m not. The fact that you offered absolutely nothing to refute my claim speaks volumes. Thanks for your complete lack of substance. Please take the last word, I’ve already wasted enough time on you.

“I made an argument so vague that you can only say ‘what?’. And now that you said that I can say you can’t refute my claims. I win”

Would have been 10/10 roast if you added a tips fedora at the end.

I main warrior. ArenaNet has been massively incompetent over the years in so many areas/classes, and for long periods of time, warrior has been very strong/too strong. Ori doesn’t need to make an argument because the overwhelming inaccuracy of “nobody is treated as poorly as warrior” is hilarious.

Warrior is certainly in a horrid spot, but come on, ArenaNet treats most classes with complete ineptitude at random. I think the real hilarious bit is how awful warrior was already before that berserker nerf.

Sorry but saying you don’t need to make an argument, isn’t an argument. If you read my original post, I clearly ask for feedback from other professions. If Anet has taken your “Elite”, whatever it may be, and made it a complete joke I’d be interested in hearing it.

Lastly, until someone lists all the things I have to be happy about as a warrior main. I stand by my statement. What other professions have be nerfed to the scrap heap?

People are refuting your statement of “Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.” This is an exaggeration. There’s no argument, it’s speculation and its a joke.

I main warrior, and have very actively vocalized my issues with its current state and the changes to berserker. Context is lost on people.

Speculation? Yet you didn’t answer a simple question. What other profession has been ruined the way warrior has? If you can’t answer that, maybe you’re the joke. Take the last word, try not to waste it.

All of them have been ruined at different points in time, and since you’ve been living under a rock, and any player opinion is just that (opinion), please reference every single class sub forum. Maybe you weren’t around for ShoutBow and Hambow?

Every class in this game has been screwed by ArenaNet at different times, and it is not disproportionate to warrior. Mesmer is certainly strong now, but oh god has it always had awful PvP diversity and meta presence at time over the years. The stuff you are saying is vague and there is relativity to consider. Go grab a towel.

Sorry Crash, I knew you’d waste it. In the future before you interject with whatever useless information you have you really should read the original post. I was specifically speaking about the last 2 years since HoT release. Maybe you’re the one who should grab a towel. I’d say thanks but……

I feel sorry for you, I’m going to once again remind you that people, myself included, which I have tried to make abundantly clear multiple times, are refuting THIS statement, not your “original post”:

“nobody is treated as poorly as warrior”

Stop embarrassing yourself. I beg of you, learn how to read before posting on a forum.

Haha my statement was an extension of my original post. HEELLLLOOOOO?? Anyone home?? Weren’t you the one who said “context is lost on people”? Boy were you right. Good luck in the future I have a feeling you’re really going to need it. LOL

Can’t tell if English is a second language for you, but I can tell you are full on triggered and it’s hilarious.

Triggered?! You must be kidding, I haven’t laughed this hard in a long time. Thanks!

Would you like to 1v1 me? While we’re going with strawmans, I can go ahead and beat you, record it, and post it as evidence that anything you possibly say is incorrect in light of me being better?

I personally love this change, but I’m a little biased because nothing makes me happier than entitled pve hero tears.

megilandil.7506:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

megilandil.7506:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

Conquest is a game mode that unarguably benefits from vocal communication.

Snap decisions, focus, the very complex business of rotating around different objectives/ map features… You cannot quickly type these things out. You can’t be bunkering 1v2 and take a moment to type. You can’t set up great combo’s reliably.

I think a major hindrance to this game mode is a lack of substantial communication. There is a feeling of “my team will have their own ideas and I’ll never know what they intend to do”. And trying to get them to read a small chat window about how they should abandon mid is not a good solution in the frenzy of teamfights.

There is heated people, there is toxic people, and there’s obviously a mute function. The opportunities for active learning, camaraderie, and for people to express real time information without hindrance to game play is invaluable for competitive.

There is a sense of accomplishment, a sense of teamwork, a sense of “We really womboed the crap out of mid, that was cool.”

It’s more exciting, it’s pro’s immeasurably weigh out the cons, and I’d really like to understand why it doesn’t exist, and why it hasn’t existed for so long as basic functionality in game?

know you that this game is in many countries who speak many diferent languages?

voicecom has also language barriers, english is not “universal”

No, I had no idea people speak other languages.

Let me make this really simple for people: if people don’t speak the same language, then how are they NEGATIVELY impacted by the OPTION of voice chat?

There is 0, and I truly mean 0 tangible negatives in a competitive game to having voice chat. People not speaking english? People getting upset cause someone called them bad? These "negative"s already clearly exist in text form.

If someone has a valid argument, please, I’m listening. But competitive, competent game titles like Overwatch for example are already taking a huge dump on anything you say.

how they are impacted? LOL
there is another factor of imbalancement , team that have coms cuz they are english/same lenguage speakers vs team that dont have coms cuz they are not english/same language speakers
simple, dont think you

A match maker that randomly places people of all backgrounds into a match where the only method of communication is TEXT is only made better by people being able to VOCALLY express things as an OPTION.

Your english is good enough to say “HELP MID” or my spanish is good enough to try and say “AYUDA MID”. And if it isn’t both teams have the same exact chance of perceived “imbalance”. And I say perceived because it’s absolutely silly to make that assumption.

Either way, there is nothing lumping these different nationalities into same language speaking groups, your point is completely invalidated and the current system has the same language barriers you speak of. Are we speaking different languages in text? Then we’re speaking different languages in voice comms.

“simple, dont think you?”

Amaimon.7823:

drcraig.9403:

OriOri.8724:

drcraig.9403:

ButterPeanut.9746 I expect you’re correct on both counts. At this point with almost 90 views I got exactly what I expected. No replies other than yours. Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.

You’re kidding right?

Well no, I’m not. The fact that you offered absolutely nothing to refute my claim speaks volumes. Thanks for your complete lack of substance. Please take the last word, I’ve already wasted enough time on you.

“I made an argument so vague that you can only say ‘what?’. And now that you said that I can say you can’t refute my claims. I win”

Would have been 10/10 roast if you added a tips fedora at the end.

I main warrior. ArenaNet has been massively incompetent over the years in so many areas/classes, and for long periods of time, warrior has been very strong/too strong. Ori doesn’t need to make an argument because the overwhelming inaccuracy of “nobody is treated as poorly as warrior” is hilarious.

Warrior is certainly in a horrid spot, but come on, ArenaNet treats most classes with complete ineptitude at random. I think the real hilarious bit is how awful warrior was already before that berserker nerf.

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

CrashTheGrey.1492:

trailofsalt.6571:

I don’t think it should be called bullying. It is just a game. That being said I think the point that Jumpin Lumpix is trying to make is that the “good fights” claim that a lot of roamers want to make these days is pretty hilarious if you watch how they “roam.” The roaming role is full of gank squads now that actively hunt down players they can destroy for an easy bag.

No, he’s not saying that at all, he’s saying things like this:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Secondly, roamers engage in pvp combat that heavy favors them and their one vs one speced builds, which means it’s almost never a fair fight for those with whom they engage and they usually escape and reset fights when they are put at a disadvantage. And lastly it has minimal impact on the PPT and the server.

So why do roamers engage in pvp that heavily favors them, is low rewarded and has minimal impact to their server? Because they like to bully others.

This is a person that makes sweeping accusations that aren’t founded in facts, or even fairly perceived opinion.

Here’s a question: how many videos do you see online labeled “GW2 Roaming” where the person is outnumbering their opponent, and not the other way around? They don’t exist, people want to see others win against hard odds. What does that say about the desired content of roaming, especially solo content?

If I go and load up a Vaanss video, or any other major roamer, they are well received because of the difficulty in fighting multiple people at once.

There’s some hard evidence towards the mindset of the average roamer. They want good fights. Not easy bags that they could be getting in a zerg. Not to beat on people that didn’t have a fight. It’s not only incorrect, but toxic to make the broad claims he’s making.

But what do you expect from a guy that wants auto loot even when he’s dead?

I like how you don’t really read any of my threads and then make sweeping statements that arent what I was trying to say at all, the fact that you defend activities that are low skill, and mean, is not really surprising.

If you want skillful gameplay, get into spvp legend rank first, and then solo 3 players on one node, thats impressive. Roamers 90% of the time use stats that are banned in spvp, because they are OP and broken, and are too strong for 1v1 or 1vX.

I directly quoted you, and in doing so it seems I struck a nerve because I did read your vitriol, and I countered it.

And now, you are trying to stick your chest out with unrelated accolades and comparisons because quite simply, you didn’t have an argument in the first place and I made that clear.

You’re not even good at complaining bro, maybe try your hand at something else.

I would be very interested in a development team members perspective specific to this change for shield. I really can’t understand the decision. The warrior class, looking at this in any PvP oriented game mode; has limited options at a higher level of play for creating strong damage against a target (using melee) when so many of it’s skills have a huge telegraph.

Because you power creeped everything so insanely much, it is necessary to have this already clunky class able to land a skill on someone that isn’t sleeping.

phokus.8934:

Stand The Wall.6987:

lack of proper voip is one of the main things dragging pvp down.

No it’s not.

strong argument sir. please tell me how Voice chat could negatively impact this game more than it could positively impact it. I’m waiting.

There are lots of problems with sPvP, and a huge one is people not caring. Thank you for contributing to the problem.

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

I recommend every single person complaining about CC in this thread to ask yourself how often you get frustrated compared to how often you actively look for a solution. Be honest with yourself.

The vast majority of the time I look for a solution.

However, when I come to the forums to discuss WvW, I’m not here to show off my 20 ft long waffle that I some how found a toaster large enough to toast.

I’m here to discuss balance, and things that I perceive as issues.

And that’s where you’ve lost me entirely.

You used to be able to reasonably play a selfish class in WvW, and in GvGs having 2 people playing gank used to be pretty standard.

Now the entire gamemode is a melee train, and you’re screaming “get good” because I’d like to scale back down into the days where playing gank was viable. And where gank wasn’t just a dodge spamming B.S. fest.

Anyone can adapt, but I suppose it takes a bit of a different thought process to look at the big picture and go “This seems wrong”.

Sure I can agree. It’s ALLLL wrong though. Not just CC. The Power Creep is insane, and it’s not going to change. I wish it would too, and god knows we’ve all called for it to stop.

That being said, I do believe that CC is not overbearing currently with the insane amount of passive defenses and active mitigation in the game. With reductions, I think survival/sustain would be far too high.

Without seeing the actual skill levels of people complaining about these things, it’s really hard to gauge if it’s healthy discussion or people that could simply play better. Let me put it this way:

If I can reliably win outnumbered fights in WvW (and I do), it’s not because i’m some super gosu no life, it’s because I see so many people with no idea what the hell they are doing. It’s crazy how low the median mechanical skill level is in this game. Certain things like this are worrisome (if arenanet were to hop on some of these cries for CC to be lessened, it could completely destroy any semblance of balance). Stuff like the primal burst nerf being a bad idea are not as immediately impactful.

It’s fair to make complaints, and people should. On this specific front, I feel it’s just not productive and it’s inaccurate to the reality of current in game functions.

But that just, like, my opinion man.

Is this game not casual enough about death? How entitled and ridiculous can you be?
(These questions are rhetorical OP, it’s not up for debate).

Probably the most unnecessary discussion I’ve seen on these forums.

SoV.5139:

Nope, and this is how good balance works. When I go all offense, and I get downed too easily, I either need to ramp up my defensive playing to not get hit, or hybrid my stats so I can take a hit or two, to compensate for not having military android reflexes. When I do that I lose “quick kill” offense.

The survivavbility does make for a great support platform…

I don’t know if SoV didn’t read your post correctly, but he’s alluding to defense/offense here. Not the question asked.

Yes, you can run Hybrids (Power/Condi). People tend to be a little hush hush about their builds when they find something they like. I have someone on my friends list that runs something like scepter torch / sword shield, traits the scepter with Malicious Sorcery. Had some great duels with him when i was running full power; tons of pressure/clone generation.

As for stats, I think there’s a wide amount of varying opinion. I’m currently running a 1500 power, 1600 condi or so garbage hybrid build and honestly having alot of fun with staff/ sword shield(illusions, inspiration, chrono) Dire Armor, Perplexity Runes, mix of trinkets for condi/power. My advice would be to take how you like to play the most and trait yourself to support that. I come from full yolo shatter power, and I get in a lot of 1vX fights, so I’ve been running gravity well with chrono for super wombo’s and the dire toughness/ inspiration tree helps me eat a little more pressure.

Astray.5802:

Hesacon.8735:

This needed to happen, warriors were broken in wvw and couldn’t be killed in a 1v1 against most classes.

You must be joking, most telegraphic and obvious class. L2dodge?

I was about to post the same thing. Guy seems to play necro maybe?

I mean sure it’s op if you eat shield bash and headbutt all day…..

I take EP because having 8 seconds of invuln over the course of the fight as an already hard hitting class is not only incredibly strong in 1v1’s, but is the only real choice for a utility in something like a 1vX. 60 Seconds is irrelevant in the course of a fight if you aren’t garbage at actually downing people. 4 seconds of invuln gets rid of a mesmer burst, thieves opening, guardian zoning, and effectively allows you to hard counter in my opinion the situations that are actually scary as a warrior even with adrenal heals going (large power bursts). With cleansing Ire, weapon swap removal, berserker stance, and good blocks, condi application is fighting against adrenal health and so many other things. If you are fighting decent high damage people who will patiently try to open on you, EP wins out. If you’re fighting garbos, sure, take whatever you want.

Back on topic, SHIELD BASH getting nerfed is really horrible vs Thief spam evade. Getting close is hard enough but with that telegraph, anybody with half a brain will dodge any setup we have. Having a quicker animation could at least get you some good timings as a thief or other class comes out of a roll. It’s so sluggish now that even baiting dodges is inconsistent.

This thread is Hilarious.

I think Helseth went with the build he did as it stands a better chance in 1vX situations. Why pick a build that’s largely reliant on having a competent team in a ladder climb experiment? (Like power shatter, a +1 Build) Tools for the task, everyone has access to the same builds.

I think the ladder system needs some minor tweaking; An ESL Pro player climbing is of course going to happen when they have the ability to 1vX successfully, consistently. I think the system is doing its Job, albeit a little slowly in sorting people (in drawing rough comparisons to other games). A platinum skilled player in silver will have a much slower go for example. And honestly, looking at that number of games…. That’s quite a few to figure out where to put a top tier player, and he’s only in platinum.

So I’d say the skill level gap to solo-carry games in GW2 is quite high. And the system doesn’t exactly complement that proportionately. Maybe one way of drawing that comparison to other ladder games is something like League of Legends, where for such a large extent of the game, 2 lanes are a 1v1 scenario (excluding occasional ganks which are avoided with map awareness). This allows the “snowball” and the complete stomp in a 1v1 escalates more into a win condition.

This game, with poorly rotating team mates on top of mechanical skill disparity, is really brutal to carry at times. This being attributed to the simple concept of needing to fight on point. An individuals mistakes are more tangible to the entire outcome. Maybe more weight can be put on individual performance applied to rating bumps? Maybe not? Probably pretty hard.

TLDR; Git Gud. And know it’s a time sink to climb currently.

Mageblade Tether is hilarious. Dragging scrub thieves around to get rekt. You want to run but you can’t, daddy’s home and he doesn’t like you watching all that anime and he’s gonna just drag you out to the drive way to express his shame real quick.

Well Azukas, while my wording could have been better, and I appreciate your argument….

It’s just one big joke. We have a whole team doing petty dishonest garbage, and the other people being opportunistic and gross.

I can really only truthfully deduct one thing. A decent percentage of this already crap scene is filled with losers. Thank you all for reaffirming the caliber of people carrying the torch. It’d be really cool if teams wouldn’t act like this in the first place, but being immature is meta.

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CrashTheGrey.1492:

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drcraig.9403:

ButterPeanut.9746 I expect you’re correct on both counts. At this point with almost 90 views I got exactly what I expected. No replies other than yours. Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.

You’re kidding right?

Well no, I’m not. The fact that you offered absolutely nothing to refute my claim speaks volumes. Thanks for your complete lack of substance. Please take the last word, I’ve already wasted enough time on you.

“I made an argument so vague that you can only say ‘what?’. And now that you said that I can say you can’t refute my claims. I win”

Would have been 10/10 roast if you added a tips fedora at the end.

I main warrior. ArenaNet has been massively incompetent over the years in so many areas/classes, and for long periods of time, warrior has been very strong/too strong. Ori doesn’t need to make an argument because the overwhelming inaccuracy of “nobody is treated as poorly as warrior” is hilarious.

Warrior is certainly in a horrid spot, but come on, ArenaNet treats most classes with complete ineptitude at random. I think the real hilarious bit is how awful warrior was already before that berserker nerf.

Sorry but saying you don’t need to make an argument, isn’t an argument. If you read my original post, I clearly ask for feedback from other professions. If Anet has taken your “Elite”, whatever it may be, and made it a complete joke I’d be interested in hearing it.

Lastly, until someone lists all the things I have to be happy about as a warrior main. I stand by my statement. What other professions have be nerfed to the scrap heap?

People are refuting your statement of “Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.” This is an exaggeration. There’s no argument, it’s speculation and its a joke.

I main warrior, and have very actively vocalized my issues with its current state and the changes to berserker. Context is lost on people.

Speculation? Yet you didn’t answer a simple question. What other profession has been ruined the way warrior has? If you can’t answer that, maybe you’re the joke. Take the last word, try not to waste it.

All of them have been ruined at different points in time, and since you’ve been living under a rock, and any player opinion is just that (opinion), please reference every single class sub forum. Maybe you weren’t around for ShoutBow and Hambow?

Every class in this game has been screwed by ArenaNet at different times, and it is not disproportionate to warrior. Mesmer is certainly strong now, but oh god has it always had awful PvP diversity and meta presence at time over the years. The stuff you are saying is vague and there is relativity to consider. Go grab a towel.

Sorry Crash, I knew you’d waste it. In the future before you interject with whatever useless information you have you really should read the original post. I was specifically speaking about the last 2 years since HoT release. Maybe you’re the one who should grab a towel. I’d say thanks but……

I feel sorry for you, I’m going to once again remind you that people, myself included, which I have tried to make abundantly clear multiple times, are refuting THIS statement, not your “original post”:

“nobody is treated as poorly as warrior”

Stop embarrassing yourself. I beg of you, learn how to read before posting on a forum.

Haha my statement was an extension of my original post. HEELLLLOOOOO?? Anyone home?? Weren’t you the one who said “context is lost on people”? Boy were you right. Good luck in the future I have a feeling you’re really going to need it. LOL

Can’t tell if English is a second language for you, but I can tell you are full on triggered and it’s hilarious.

Triggered?! You must be kidding, I haven’t laughed this hard in a long time. Thanks!

Would you like to 1v1 me? While we’re going with strawmans, I can go ahead and beat you, record it, and post it as evidence that anything you possibly say is incorrect in light of me being better?

Oh my goodness, I love it! You are so salty right now I can almost taste it. I surrender, there you win our 1 v 1. LOL have a nice day, if you are able. lololol

Colleseum’s audience right now:

LOL but I lost. Crash is a superior pvp’er! Reading comprehension? Not so much.

Pay me 150 dollars an hour and I’ll go through hooked on phonics with you and teach you how to bait dodges. That’s discounted.

(The Irony is I fully agree with the sentiments of ArenaNet breaking stuff and warrior being horrible, just not the notions of motive or the weird confirmation bias I keep seeing).

Weird confirmation bias, really? This from a guy who entered a conversation based on a single sentence and then decided to ignore the details from my original post. Gimme a break.

I was merely mocking your incorrect blanket statement (an opinion) and you got so triggered you tried to strawman it back to your original post. Multiple people mocked you before I even stepped in. Take off the fedora and get some fresh air please.

The beauty of conversation is I can agree with some but not ALL of the things you are saying, and poke fun at the fact that you would rather talk in circles than appreciate outside perspective that isn’t obviously biased towards warrior. Now multiple people have refuted you, and your argument alone is faulty in that you only consider a specific time frame and use it as CONFIRMATION BIAS to say that warrior is more poorly treated than other classes.

Crack a book dude, you are struggling here.
Edit: Here’s the definition for you to make things a bit easier.

Confirmation Bias: the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one’s existing beliefs or theories.

I.E. Warrior has been very strong/ too strong at different points in time.(as others have pointed out). But because of “new evidence” (arena net’s horribly planned nerfs) you are making a blanket statement that they are more poorly treated than other classes. Confirmation Bias.

You are trying to limit the scope of observable evidence, and noone with half a brain will let you. Truth hurts.

Kuya.6495:

choovanski.5462:

@Kuya

if anet is actually making is so one specialisation is for pve, and the other is for pvp. and are doing this by nerfing the ‘pve specs’ so much that they are not viable in PvP…..

then oh my gosh. if they are consciously doing that. I don’t know what to say. well, apart from that it’s the dumbest decision on earth.
why not have both specialisations viable in PvP and you know, have build diversity? like what is bad about that. why introduce more elite specs then make it so half of the specs only work in one gamemode. it’s such a dumb idea.

like, why not go the engineer route for all classes. both Holo and Scrapper are gonna be viable, and two really different choices.
why you wouldn’t want this for all classes is 100% beyond me. 1 spec for PvP and one for PvE, god what a dumb decision, I honestly hope that’s not the goal here.

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like, as far as beserker goes. removing the primal burst CD nerf, and making it so going into beserk mode counts as a t3 burst would bring it back. it would be good again. it’s not super hard to creatively un-kitten it’s sustain, which is what was nerfed mostly.

Engineer? Are we talking about the same class here? Engineers in pve go core for raiding. Scrapper is only meta in pvp.

Furthermore, maybe you’re right. Making one elite specialize in pvp and another pve is not build diversity in pvp or pve. It is build diversity on the game in general if two elite specs don’t compete for the same spot in the same game mode though. And if it’s between that and having elites being better than the previous ones rather than offering new ways to play a class, than i prefer the former.

I think the problem with the kind of people who post on this forum is a problem of expectations. You expected anet to balance elite specs a certain way and get outraged when they don’t meet your expectations. But you never seem to question whether your expectations are realistic or ultimately desireable in the long term. I think we should all practice more self criticism and study whether our desires and expectations are really practical and whether they match the designer’s vision for what an elite spec should be.

Instead though, on this forum in particular, we seem to act like we’re ordering at McDonald’s.

Fair assessment sir.

Berserker doesn’t work well for Power anymore and I think it was incredibly lazy design. I think there was practical decisions that would have made more sense (and people have made a point in outlining them). Ultimately, we have one less viable build on an underplayed PvP class. I do believe it’s fair to expect more out of a triple a company than what they keep doing.

I’ve gotta ask, what was the designers vision for berserker? Because with a 66% nerf to its on trait effects tied directly into its class mechanic, it would appear that whatever vision there is, they don’t know how to accomplish it. Right now, berserker feels like nothing, and that sentiment is echoed through an overwhelming majority of players.

It is ridiculous to expect things from this company. But I do believe someone will listen and try to pull the positive out of the saltiness they’ve caused and eventually fix it.

Giving credit where it’s due to Anet, I believe I see a “sidegrade” oriented approach to elite specs and they’re just doing a regular sloppy job of implementation due to lack of resources. Ultimately, if they do it right, it’s a direction that will make more people happy.

But I won’t hold my breath. See below.
https://youtu.be/64eQ-6kyv0k

I’m cringing. Delete this and apologize to your parents.

(P.s. noone was complaining about vanilla, but it’s ok reading can be hard I understand)

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Vyrulisse.1246:

That sounds lovely. And they say PvP players have no class.

Ok, so I have read the patch notes and I personally don’t see anything major to warrant a vigil. What am I not seeing in the notes?

Profession:
Primal Burst: These skills now count as level-1 bursts for the purposes of traits that scale on adrenaline level.

Just in case that isn’t clear, when you take all these slow, telegraphed moves that you need to hit for condi clear and sustain, and to ramp up damage…

And you nerf all of them by 66%…. Power Berserker was already struggling against anyone with half a brain to dodge roll.

I would recommend you spam some rounds as every single class and learn the In’s and Out’s. Try out meta/relevant builds and understand how the classes work and what they have access to. It gives you a much better platform to interpret situations and calmly react to the insane volume of “stuff” that happens in your average team fight or even smaller interactions.

Always be thinking “where should I be?” Especially until you’re comfortable carrying and winning outnumbered fights ( and only taking them where it truly gives your team an advantage or you can sustain until help comes)…

Fight Smart, use advantages when you have them. As a thief for example, you are a +1. You’re goal is to constantly create stacked fights in your teams favor, and to end them as quick as possible and move on. It can be the hardest position to learn.

Sun Lian.4075:

By over the years you mean when they got buffed probably, just like literally everyone.

But the “nerfs” are no real nerfs, it barely affect anything that makes Warrior too strong, if you’re such an experienced warrior you know this.
Why else did the Warrior numbers in PvP still not drop since last season?

Anyway this thread is no use, nobody ever wants to admit there’s even the slighest thing wrong with the class they’re playing, only because they wanna keep it overpowered.

I mean if necro was overpowered or had some changes that 90% of the community considers a nerf that’s “killing the class” while it’s really not, I wouldn’t shut my mouth either and I almost only play necro, like when they changed Deathly Chill and boy did people rage back then.

As someone who played and still plays (almost) exclusively power shatter on Mesmer, I’ve properly seen a build/class get kitten on and improperly balanced time and time again and stuck with it. Because it’s fun.

When Warrior was fairly OP, I rolled one to figure out my windows of opportunity to properly burst and interrupt key skills. I think I first did this back in Hambow meta, and have revisited every class/build that seems very strong to have at least a basic understanding since.

I’m not claiming to be an expert by any means. But I can say that after reading your constant “warrior just don’t want nerf you’re all liars” garbage that you should really take a cold shower and spend time on one till you know how to beat it.

I’ve never relied on Anet to nerf anything that should be reliably; you either whine or just have fun and adapt, try to remove your ego from the equation to improve.

Alatar.7364:

I have never addressed or responded to posts about how Anet targets people to bring them down, because when someone actually thinks/ believes that, then there is absolutely no chance to reason with such person.

I completely agree with the Scenarios and Opinions that you have stated, but truth is that this is a purely Human factor and it is never ever going to change because people are of many personalities and characters, even the most curious thoughts are to be found amongst us.
Funny is that I have seen tons of posts where OP/ people actually blamed Anet for toxic people as well. This alone is a proof that anything is possible with human mind, thus there will forever be toxic people same as people willing to help out.

Toxic people exist in any competitive game in large amounts…. However.

ArenaNets multiple failures to properly balance and support PvP content has arrived at a much smaller pool of players to be matched with. Match quality has suffered because of this smaller pool of players and this does plenty to really bring out the toxicity.

ArenaNet’s power creeping, the ESL drop… Consistently this company has caused people to discount PvP as an absolute joke. It doesn’t stand up to other titles. In addition to simple toxicity, there is a giant sense of apathy.

Some clips from the week, I hope you enjoy!

https://youtu.be/iOW3TKHg5RU

(Pumpin these out before spellbreaker drops).

Probably the most amazing strategic element I’ve seen in an MMO. Bury the kittening thing in clams so they can’t even click it. Makes me really happy.

Azukas and Kdaddy are having a very, very, hard time grasping some very, very, basic concepts of sportsmanship.

You can’t teach a salt mine.

WARIORSCHARGEING.2637:

this is why I put people on the blocked list !! when they speak or try to talk in pvp as they are not their to pvp at all . and just want to chat and talk which takes away from the game its self and is not need at all.

pvp not hard to do but people do not get that idea .that is like the game put in dps meters for a reason . then every one got super foolish their yet again and tried to make their own apps for it . which failed and now the one guy that was doing that bgm or what ever dps meter finally gave up thankfully . as it was one of the most foolish ideas
ever more so when the game already has its own dps meter

same goes for voice chat just another not need item that takes away from the game fully and why anet never ever or will ever put it into the game at all ever . even more so when their already is a bunch of chat apps like TeamSpeak discord and so forth .

which do take away from the game its self in terms of enjoyment and trying to get things done you came to do in the game . and thankfully the reason why the game will never ever get a build in vop or voice chat put into the game . as the drevs get the idea hey they can use TeamSpeak and discord . so we will not waste our time with that at all . and put more of our time into the game its self !!

That was very hard to read, and my time was wasted because you did not make a single, actual argument against why an implementation like this would be negative. You just spewed nonsense alluding to people only wanting to “chit chat” whereas we are playing a ranked, competitive game mode where users want to win.

And instead of “chit chatting” in text form, at least they’d be freeing up there hands and you could, once again because this is so incredibly hard for the average person to grasp MUTE OR TURN OFF THIS FEATURE ALTOGETHER.

Teamspeak or other apps do not cater to solo queue. Setting a precedent of “pro’s use voice chat, if I’m not a complete idiot I could use this to my advantage as well” can only make for better games and less frustration.

What I’d love is ArenaNet to come in and be transparent about this. Your game mode suffers from a genuine feeling of “who cares”. You build upon a community very organically by allowing them to talk to each other and create better teamwork game by game with something like this, and it can be attributed to any organized competitive setting in any esport.

There’s one other game I can think of that rivals the same toxicity each game, and what do you know, it’s League of Legends, another title not utilizing Voip for solo queue.

ArenaNet, you have horrible customer service.

My solo roaming consists of me getting outnumbered 9 times out of 10 (usually intentionally on my part because its fun and challenging), be it by Havocs, zergs I dive, or just other “roaming groups”.

There are a good amount of 1v1’s where I realize that the player is new or inexperienced and I down them and walk away. There’s times I have really good fights and I let the guy get back up and we PM eachother and duel for the fun of it.

I think that anyone that has been roaming for a decent amount of time is looking for surprising, engaging, and almost sandbox-like PvP in the sense of not having the ability to control how many enemies they will face; aside from utilizing mobility.

JumpinLumpix, as per usual, is completely wrong. No point in feeding into such obvious ploys for attention.

Voice chat would improve match quality. I’d rather have someone kitten talk me over voice chat than trying to keyboard warrior mid match.

I also notice that people are much less toxic on voice chat. People are less likely to fully engage in being toxic when there’s a voice to talk back. Overwatch for example certainly has toxic people, but there is so much more room for awesome plays and engaging gameplay and friendships to be made.

This is one thing I genuinely could see helping this game feel more competitive. Rotations, focus, +1….. a Mic’d team is infinitely more efficient. Currently solo queue is a mess and It rarely feels like a team game. Even when you win, it’s more of a “oh, these guys knew where to go and play their class well”.

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drcraig.9403:

ButterPeanut.9746 I expect you’re correct on both counts. At this point with almost 90 views I got exactly what I expected. No replies other than yours. Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.

You’re kidding right?

Well no, I’m not. The fact that you offered absolutely nothing to refute my claim speaks volumes. Thanks for your complete lack of substance. Please take the last word, I’ve already wasted enough time on you.

“I made an argument so vague that you can only say ‘what?’. And now that you said that I can say you can’t refute my claims. I win”

Would have been 10/10 roast if you added a tips fedora at the end.

I main warrior. ArenaNet has been massively incompetent over the years in so many areas/classes, and for long periods of time, warrior has been very strong/too strong. Ori doesn’t need to make an argument because the overwhelming inaccuracy of “nobody is treated as poorly as warrior” is hilarious.

Warrior is certainly in a horrid spot, but come on, ArenaNet treats most classes with complete ineptitude at random. I think the real hilarious bit is how awful warrior was already before that berserker nerf.

Sorry but saying you don’t need to make an argument, isn’t an argument. If you read my original post, I clearly ask for feedback from other professions. If Anet has taken your “Elite”, whatever it may be, and made it a complete joke I’d be interested in hearing it.

Lastly, until someone lists all the things I have to be happy about as a warrior main. I stand by my statement. What other professions have be nerfed to the scrap heap?

People are refuting your statement of “Goes to show, nobody is treated as poorly as the Warrior.” This is an exaggeration. There’s no argument, it’s speculation and its a joke.

I main warrior, and have very actively vocalized my issues with its current state and the changes to berserker. Context is lost on people.