Guild Wars 2

For once i am w8ing all the classes to have condition removals on dodges .
And later on the Rangers underpowered/less whined on the forums dodge/Protection , so we wont have 100% Berseker meta .

(p.s. isnt time that ranged(not Mace Enginners or 2-haned Greatsword Necros for example) character can can leap further with thier dodges , for some kiting capibilities ? i am not kidding about this one …
You can reduce my pistol/shield damage , or reduced even more the Flamethrower 3rd ……..ohhhh… ah kkk nvm …… wannabe replacement for the burn trait ….)

If you have gold to spare them , and they have Laurels to buy the ‘’Item Booster’’ + ‘’Expiriance Booster’’ from the Laurel Vendor
+ they can buy ‘’Lunar new year Fireworks’’ from the Traiding post

then they can get 10-13 lvls from simply crafting 1-400 the Cooking + additional lvls by maxxing each Crafting skill

Follow these guides :
http://gw2crafts.net/cooking_fast.html

Or try to find spec with your Guardian that gives your team8s Retaliation , or with Ele for Fire Shield .
Let the mobs attack them and then kll them . Regadles of their reaction time

Fat Disgrace.4275:

What skill is this? Vualt??please don’t say that lol.

Vault + Bound
Infiltrator’s Strike + auto attacks (i like one , like a ninja!)
Death Blossom + Impaling lotus + Uncatchable
Pulmonary Impact + Headshot
Pulmonary Impact + Pressure striking (x3 torments on interupt) + Headshot (Rampage Gear)
S/D in general
Condi Thief in general
The one spec got nerfed because of Raids … the Condition one that was permantly stealth

And most of the aboves have Guarded Initiation + Pain respond + Weakening Strikes , and if they dont choose PI > they get Escapist Absolution + Assasin Reward + Driven Fortitude + Signet of Malice (even if they choose on to get some Toughness from various ammount of gear)

Because of the Gear and the Food , everything is ’’balanced’’ :PPPPP
The one that is left is to copy these traits to the rest of the classes , so the whines stops or nerf everything :p
I am trtying to figure out what the Thief community wants really .
I cant understand by the responses ‘’yeah ok haahah l2p’’

Because i have seen posters claiming Thiefs to not have been used in Season 1+2 in PvP …. IN THE TOURNAMENTS …. (ppl needed 1 year after the nerf of Revs to found out these specs) …..
but that was the Core’s acceptance that everything is balanced and they should move on with HoT to have the same attack + defensive capabilities , for a fun + fast based pvp . So the only thing is left atm , is to give these traits among classes , and i will try to find ppl that ‘’will whine in the future about that , while they used to defend it ’’ :P

Sly.9518:

You can tell relative balance by actually playing the game, the fact you need others to tell you something is balanced is lulz. And you tried using the lack of recent 1v1 pvp tournaments results/balance as an argument in regards to WvW balance state again lulz.

How it is balanced again ?
When i roam the majority of the class i see is Thief .
If the majority of the population is using that class then , something is wrong .
Just like Revs in the start of HoT or any other Flavor of the Month Character .

Just like Necros and Guardians are the majority in Zergs , the majority is roamming is Thief .
Are agrreing with me that Necros and Guardians need nerf ? … or you are trying to sent me mix feeling that you dont want other classes to be nerfed ?

Sly.9518:

And no I never said they only have mobility go read again I stated they were only good at one thing Roaming, this is where reading comprehension becomes valuable.

Have you seen what you have typed ?
Even with 50% reduction in speed you CAN STILL ROAM … in stealth ….

Sly.9518:

Again try to be objective and impartial all I am doing is pointing out the huge bias certain players have.

Come up with real arguments especially ones relevant to the gamemode lulz 1v1 tournaments to determine balance, lulz.

You are telling me that everything is balanced …
I am trying to understand , based on who or when or what is balanced ?
Based on the Thief prospective is balanced ?
Something like 1-sided love … that is happening too often …sniff..

kash.9213:

You’re reaching for an argument you’re not going to find, you’re just crying hard at this point. If thieves had “huge survivability” then they’d have multiple places in every squad because according to these threads that survivability should go great with perma stealth and endless dodging on top of god like one shot damage. Get out of here with that nonsense, you know better.

Silly commanders wants class that can offer protection + stability + healing + resistance or area denial skills (cannot cross over) . That why you see Guardinas + Eles + Revs in most areas .

From 2013- late 2014 , the Commaner loved the Smoke Bomb Enginners + Thiefs for the mass stealth and suprize attacks + escape .
Just like the Guardian’s Swiftness + Stuff (healing + denial) bot , stop to exixt , silly commander just want something more ’’balanced’’ and less hussle to cordinate 50 ppl .

As far you can see just like Raids they love ’’MORE’’ charactewrs that offer something to the party to increase the effectiveness even more .

When a class can spamm 1-2 attacks with huge amount of rewads and the ’’defender’’ is the one that need ‘’MORE SKILL AND KNOWLEGHE’’ to counter it …. then the first class is a easy to play and their Population must not try to be the ’’topdog’’ i na conversation , while i am having one with ‘’specific ppl’’

Again tell which site tells that everthying is relative Balanced ?
Any GvG sites with top GvGers that give their opinion on that , or what should be buffed ?
Or any High lvl WvWvw Streamer , that have made a megathread about it ?
Where do you get you immaginery stats ?

You are condracting yourself
You are telling me that thief has only Mobility and now suddenly he has also stealth .
And that stealth shouldnt have a 50% reduction speed or cd , like other MMos .
You dont give vallid reasons about that …. just a ‘’LoL ok hahah noob you dont know ’’ .

Why whine about reducing the defensive spam .. but dont look on your class first ?
How many post do you want to bicker with me to know your class better , and see that your class is the epitomy of spamm and has huge survibility ?

as far off :

Sly.9518:

Sly.9518:

again re-read what I stated, you are just making yourself silly now. I have yet to contradict myself in anything I posted, unlike you.

This is like holding a dialogue with a Skritt, too funny, I don’t even have to do anything you do it all to yourself.

Here’s a TLDr of my points for you.

Everything currently is in relative balance, so crying for Nerfs on one class only is he wrong thing to do.

They need to nerf all the mindless spam across the board (that means Thief too, aka Reading comprehension)

Players cry for Nerfs to classes because they are bads, since everything is relatively balanced at this moment to each other.

I’m just pointing out the blatant bias.

So we agreed here
Because its balanced then we dont need to nerf the mindless offensive + defensive spamm .
Any future x-pack spec then , it must have the same cappabilities .

Why i feel we are in the 2013 again ?
Buhhh …. i am immagining things ….

I knew that will say the basic : ‘’ yeah they should nerf all ’’ but in the next time you will keep defendind your class :P
Just like Cyzn or any Thief :P

Remember 2-3 posts before , that i said that you will ‘’try to calm me ’’? :P
Guess what opossite feeling , i feel now :P

Sly.9518:

again re-read what I stated, you are just making yourself silly now. I have yet to contradict myself in anything I posted, unlike you.

This is like holding a dialogue with a Skritt, too funny, I don’t even have to do anything you do it all to yourself.

Here’s a TLDr of my points for you.

Everything currently is in relative balance, so crying for Nerfs on one class only is he wrong thing to do.

They need to nerf all the mindless spam across the board (that means Thief too, aka Reading comprehension)

Players cry for Nerfs to classes because they are bads, since everything is relatively balanced at this moment to each other.

I’m just pointing out the blatant bias.

So we agreed here
Because its balanced then we dont need to nerf the mindless offensive + defensive spamm .
Any future x-pack spec then , it must have the same cappabilities .

Why i feel we are in the 2013 again ?
Buhhh …. i am immagining things ….

Sly.9518:

You might want to re-read my original reply to you, it said everything right now is in relative balance with each other, In this post you quoted I am responding to the people crying Nerf class X while leaving every other class alone.. I still stand on every class needs the mindless spam removed at the same time, I have not said anything that says otherwise, again look at the context of what you try to quote. And look again about the mobility thing you keep bringing up I was saying Thief was good in only one thing i.e. Roaming…… smh Context is key.

Then why did you did you dismiss the idea of Stealth having a 50% reduced movements speed from the previous poster ?
It doesnt fall to the mobility section

Also you told him that thiefs is a character based on mobility , which s not true because it has stealth + evades + dodges

Sly.9518:

And if you want to look at Class oversaturation/representation the most oversaturated classes in WvW are Guardians and Necros, so by your logic they need the biggest nerf Hammer of all…….

Which they get nerfed in every patch
By nerfing Necros , ppl are using Mesmers more, rather that beeing a character that stealth all the times in enemy keep and use portal for your zerg to inflitrate it

Sly.9518:

You make this too easy.0

By giving me the answers i want to hear and calming me , while use different tactics to the others ?
I will simply w8 and use the answers that you are telling to the others , to bicker with you .
Such as your moto : ‘’they should reduce the offesnive + defensive spam that is going around …. exept thief ….but i didnt say any specific class to be nerfed ’’ :P

Since 2012 the tievf community havent changed much :P
Its like i already know the answers to the test :P

Sly.9518:

Junkpile.7439:

Sly.9518:

apharma.3741:

Sly.9518:

No one can take you seriously when you want to completely kitten Thieves by removing There stealth access and Infiltrator Arrow as you have stated in other threads.

You just have issues with fighting any skill level Thief and want them nerfed so you can get free kills.

That isn’t even close to what I’ve said.

I’ve said I’d like to see infiltrators arrow be more useful as a skill and to lose its mobility which would make thief still more mobile but not to the insane level it is atm while giving them more use for SB.

I haven’t said anywhere about removing stealth from thief. I’ve said I’d remove stealth from mesmers nearly but not thieves unless something has been taken out of context.

I have said multiple times in multiple threads that I also want thieves to lose the spammy nature of their attacks and get stronger more impactful abilities but again this is something thief players largely ignore because a lot of them are biased and want to keep their easy mode.

Really? Here is your full quote on Infiltrator Arrow, not once did you say it should be compensated for losing IA.. you only mention they need to make it a power or Condi weapon

apharma.3741:

OriOri.8724:

I know why it was used, but that doesn’t change anything. It is still a weapon that was already used 100% of the time on thieves. Dev time would have been better spent making SB5 on thieves not so mandatory for them somehow (preferably by adding some of that mobility to other weapon sets somehow). As it stands though, that was a straight up buff to every thief, since every single one will still be running SB all the time

I think their time would have been better spent removing shortbow 5 from the game entirely. Then figure out wtf they want shortbow to be, a condi or a power weapon and roll with that. Right now it’s some weird hybrid that doesn’t really do any of it well but makes up for it all with an insane gtfo button.

The bias shows in all of your posts about thieves, and yes in quite a few posts you complain about thief stealth and have said they need to lose a lot of access to it.

Well stealth could be something like this. 10 sec stealth, -50% movement speed in stealth and 2 min cool down. You would actually think when to use it.

Oh this is golden, 2min cd on stealth on a class that is Designed around stealth. Bahahaha. Maybe maybe if they removed Stealth from every class that wasn’t designed around having it.

On top of the 2 min you want it to give a speed reduction when Stealth doesn’t do anything besides force players to drop target, it’s not like it makes them invulnerable, it’s not like there aren’t Hard counters to Stealth, smh.

@apharma, you never said anything in that quote about buffing or compensating SB after completely removing IA you said either make it damage or Condi not a hybrid, nothing about compensating or bufffing it. And if they remove IA Thief would not even be close to having the best mobility like you claimed it would earlier in this thread, I can think of One class at the minimum that would outclass its mobility if IA was removed.

You haven’t thought anything through besides wanting nerfs.

Again can’t take what you say seriously.

What happens to your previous post to reduce the mindless defensive spams ?
Thief are has also on mobility/escape (just like your first posts) and evades/dodge
In different ppl , give different responses ? :P

Sly.9518:

And I don’t see these gangs of Only Thievs Roaming I have seen a healthy doseage of every class Roaming unlike in Zerg groups which is predominantly Only Guardian And Necro (the two classes played the most in WvW ) with the occasional Ele/Rev.

When the class that is overrepressented , dont you think something is wrong ?
It showns the signs that something is easy to play with huge rewards ?

Sly.9518:

And omg now you are attempting to use SR one of the worst skills in game to make an argument on Teef OP lol. This is almost as bad as that player complaining about power D/D Thief saying it’s OP when it is the worst Thief build in game hahaha.

Yeah for a sec , i forget i spoke to tiefs
Let me clarify : If the commander is silly and dont need Thiefs in their zerg , you sould join a commander that ASSIGNS YOU TO JOIN SOME PARTY AND STEALTH YOUR TEAM8S AND ATTACK THEM FROM BEHIND WHILE THEYARE OQQUPIED

Sly.9518:

Again I have never called for any one class to get nerfed, again I think everything needs to be toned down at the same time, at lest I don’t cry “X” class OP, so again a lot of bads just need to l2p especially when balance over all between is pretty decent right now, they just need to remove all the mindless spam offfensive and defensive wise across the board.

When you have a class that is the epitomy of push too few bottuns and do huge damage and exept from other to bulk up and have more toughness/protection on them , while the enemy must have a diplomacy in science that have to calculator the right momment to exploit your character weakness (find the spamm evades frames) , while avoiding the hgh burst ……….then you are the one to say that they should nerf all the mindless spams , WHIULE YOU DEFEND THE CLASS ?

Sly.9518:

Ah this is so much fun ahaha.

I know :P
But why Cynz did you report me ?

Sly.9518:

Choppy.4183:

Sly.9518:

Oh nooooooooo!!!!! Thieves are good at one thing!!!!!

Only one? Bruh… you really need to have someone teach you how to teef.

Other classes can do better Burst, have almost as High stealth access and one class can almost rival mobility with the Meta Thief build on any flat surface sooo yeah…

But hey I’m not the one calling for nerfs to class or ever have soooo….. who needs to l2p??

Funny that thief , got all these mechanics in 1 package :P
Few lines before , you where saying that thief got only mobility

When the majority roaming area is filled with 1 class , then what you do ? Buff all the other classes or nerf the problematic ?
Powercreep like in the Core>Hot , or root out the problem ?

Do to me a favor and tell Cynz , that i will make conversations over conversations in the next x-pack :P
This is his/her/your mentality that created the HoT powercreep or whine about Bunker Meta …. 5 years now

Edit : Because i know where conversation will go and havea little amount of free time every day …

Do you remember the Necros Epidemic whine ?
That 5 Necros would aply damage to 25 ppl ? (even after after the unlimited target nerf)
Guess what 5x thiefs , using Stealth >Shadowstep >Steal(to cover more distance) > > 2x Vault (16k total damage) > teleport back does also ?
Or SR a group > move around them and attack them from behind , while they fight head on your zerg .

So lets not argue , why silly noob commanders dont want Thiefs in their group or that players will say anything to protect their class and createpowercreep in the next x-pack :P

Cynz.9437:

1. it is thieves, not thiefs
2. Because thieves are roamers per design. Also, most zergs kick thieves instantly nowadays so all they can do now is roaming. Thank the community.
3. i assume with non-telegraphed burst you mean backstab? (because every other “burst” is telegraphed). Please check requirements on backstab and the damage it does when all stars don’t align before complaining about it. Main dmg for thief comes ironically from AA nowadays, just saying.
4. Access to stealth is not that “easy”, you use use ini for it (which results in less weapon spells you can execute at time) or/and use of CDs, most are pretty long on top of it.
5. thieves are not immune CCs, actually thieves have lowest access to stab of all classes in game. The normal builds run maybe 1-2 stunbreaks but about every other class does in wvw/pvp environment.
6. If thief did take bandit’s defense it means they either don’t have shs or blinding powder -> trade for condi cleanse and stealth. Weren’t you just complaining that they have easy access to stealth lol? Also god forbid the class that doesn’t have access to stab actually has access to stun break!

Please, go play one. Also record it so we can see how “OP” thieves are. I am sure skilled player like you can dominate entire community on such “OP” class

2) Its called spamm stuff 5th skill , that offers evades even in zergs and can be used as initiators . You should try it .
3) You are doing something wrong , because even thifs in 2012 hotjoins could pull off the even harder version os CnD+Steal , rather than the easier version od d/p to access stealth and use the Backstab
4) its called d/p , where they dont have high cd on stealth demand ,and your resourse mechanics REGEN AS YOU ARE DOING OTHER THINGS … its not like you have 16 resourses and you cant do anything else afterwards
5) why the 5th and 6th contridict themself ? they have too few stun break or too many ?
You have the traited Daze steal + Shadowstep + Bandit’s Defense which is the nromal to all clases
6) If you dont know , …. you have the Shadowstem + Escapist’s Absolution for the condtion removal , while using the d/p for the steal . Dont hurp kitten in the keyboarbs if you dont know aht you are saying …

In the one hand you whine aboiut HoT powercreep and in the other hand defend it ))
And when ppl accuse you for that , you turn around and say : ’’where i said that ???""

lets has some talk for the next weeks my dear tief freind , that your actions/speach creates the powercreep :P

I dont feel your pain :P
Lost 4 (and goiing to loose even more … aimming for the rewards) so see in you in bronze ! :P
/high five !

Sly and Cynz do you play on the Eu ? because i cant you in the Leaderboard

(are you w8ing till every1 else mess they MMR)
(because i dont know the gold tier 3 meta )

Objection
Thief like most assasin in other games , showcase the smoothness of the Engine and its an eyecandy for Twitch !

When a normal person can persuade 8 to play the game is ok .
But wha a person can hurt 50 ppl feelings and they feel that their ’’voice’’ is not heard and flee from pvp , is not cool !
Calculate the 2nd or 3rd most played character since launch , x50 ppl they can hurt = a hatread that burns 2 times the sun !

I love the first video
especially the 7:38 comment :
‘’even if the game dont have balance patches then the community can create rules of their own’’ meaning that the rest of the community will adapt and find new tactics .

Just like the community whinneed for a year that their class is underpowered …. and 7 months that the meta is stagnate and that the company created powercreep with Hot (wut?)

These kind of ’’rules’’ as the baseline for every game to come , even in 100 years . Dont listen any1 that say that the community is evolving with each gaming interations each decade .
Nor things/ppl can be used as guinea pigs ,instead of some ungly South Korea Dev (he looked like it) with a chick-bait-body , that wants to argue with the community

DONT TOUCH ANYTHING IN THE NEXT X-PACK , TRUST ME IT WILL WORK !!!!!

If ppl dont like that .. then theres the door …. and dont knock it plz :P

Cynz.9437:

If thief attempts to decap your home, you can just RTL there – there will be no decap fight.

I remembermber some1 where moaning too with 18 sec Ride of the Lighting :P

DUDED , when a ranger uses RTL he doesnt teleport to from base to base …. but he teleports to my house …thats how OP is is !

We must create an other thread , so the Devs takes a notice and pinpoint the problem . If the problem goes unnoticed , then you will be forced to reply to MANY MORE ppl , when they tell you that teleporting away from traps , reduces the damage you would normally take otherwise

Cynz.9437:

Killthehealersffs.8940:

Cynz.9437:

Killthehealersffs.8940:

You have lost your credibility to me, over this year :p
So some pictures or videos would be wonderfull
/sigh

i couldn’t care less what you think about me

why don’t you go try yourself /sigh

Why dont you show us some videos ?
You can replicate too easily
i am just a casual that stopped pvp since octomber of 2014 :P
(i want to see that Dragon Maw (3500 damage) to do x4
*Ah yeah … /sigh

i would have to find a dh, i would have to set up recording software, i would have to upload it somewhere = too much work for something that won’t really change anything
why does “casual that stopped pvp since octomber of 2014” even care?
/sigh

You are the 6 times plat ….
I am just a filthy casual …
Show us that damage , so either the company accept thats (as an anti-teleport mechanic) or fix the bug
/sigh

Edit: I can create many theories myself , that the company putted 4-5 extra min for each boss encounter , so ppl dont need perfect rotations or Legendary/Achenedant or Berseker Gear , so every1 have a chance to do do it .
That why they dont introduce a lesser form of Raid … but they see the community destroy itself …
I dont have data… i dont have pics …. i cant replicate that …. its just a theory ..a game theory!

(in the next x-pack just change the wording ‘’that is based on Defensive gear’’ , it will loose the prestige …but it will be better
…put some some new items in HoT raids for the ’’elites’’ … )

Cynz.9437:

Killthehealersffs.8940:

You have lost your credibility to me, over this year :p
So some pictures or videos would be wonderfull
/sigh

i couldn’t care less what you think about me

why don’t you go try yourself /sigh

Why dont you show us some videos ?
You can replicate too easily
i am just a casual that stopped pvp since octomber of 2014 :P
(i want to see that Dragon Maw (3500 damage) to do x4
*Ah yeah … /sigh

sign … show me some data…
or where you find it
/sigh

Cynz.9437:

Silv.9207:

mesmers can active the trap with a clone, the same can do necros with rise, rangers don’t even need to go in point to kill a guard and thief can just teleport in and out, with only a small damage, making the guard wast his skill.
The guardian is strong, but not the best class of this game. In team fight have some problems, expecially if the enemy team know how to fight one. A good thief can just spam backstab and AA on the back of a guardian and he die easy. Warriors can burst them down easy with unblockable CC and burst.

Also, burn guardian was strong pre-HoT, not they’re unplayable with all the amount of conditions in this game. Also, as a necromancer I really like to find them and kill them with they’re burn. Send back 15 stack of burn don’t have price

A thief would die if they tried it to do it because there is guaranteed a trap there and teleport counts as walking through the trap twice. It is very much possible to take 4xdamage from the trap by using shadowstep (assuming you meant it).
Thief can’t spam backstab as it is on CD and successful hit applies reveal… -_-’

A smart thief, assuming he has to fight guard for whatever odd reasons, would go in stealth and dodge through guard to get rid of first stack of traps…. just saying.

/sigh ….
They stated before that you cannot teleport from spot A to C , without not activating the traps in the point B (middle area between A -C)
Its like the Like or the Lighting or the Rngers Suff slow motion teleport … but the thief/memser teleports have extremly fast travel speed
You dont get x4 damage …
/sigh ..

Can i have the Crowbar knockback plz ?

Reaper Alim.4176:

ParanoidKami.2867:

I love the game but couldn’t stand the matchmaking. Teams were never balanced and it seems like the system just tries to make a fast group as opposed to only matching people of similar skill. Getting up to new ranks is also a grind. Hundreds of games to go up a new rank for me even if I was winning 8/10 games and people in the top 10 just had some lucky placements that got them there. When my games finally evened out to 50/50, it was because my teammates got worse and not because I had harder opponents to go against.

I log on every so often to mess around with random builds, but I’m not taking the game seriously until they fix their matchmaking algorithm. I have had more balanced games in smaller communities so there’s really no excuse.

I agree on all your points.

A bunch of ex-GW2’s PvPers have been warning ANet since season 3. Nobody was willing to listen. they was just too happy with farming these players in unbalanced matches after matches. So these players simply got fed and stopped or left completely.

Boom population crisis started.

Ok
(1 year ago)

Reaper Alim.4176:

Evan Lesh.3295:

Ensign.2189:

Evan Lesh.3295:

/fifteencharacters

Because to make them play nice with each other, without impairing matchmaking, requires pips to behave in very specific ways that are more complex than anything currently on the table.

If they do not behave the right way, one or more of the three – MMR, matchmaking, or pips – will behave poorly. In seasons 1 and 4, you chose pips; in 2 and 3, matchmaking.

The current system is definitely trying to do too many things and each aspect suffers because of this. I think pips are an appealing reward system and I also think MMR is a good skill system. We need to work on getting each part of the system focusing on what they do best.

Only things I’m going to say is. There is a reason why in dedicated sPvP games, only ELO in current division is considered when matching players with and against each other.

Pips is only good if you want to have non competitive game that grind base. Match Making off of ELO is good for competitive games that are skill base. Make sure that players can see other players ELO as well.

Trying to mix both together just creates a whole new super toxic monster. It also pushes your once competitive players to play other dedicated sPvP skilled based ranked leagues in other games. It makes your once causal players want to do unspeakable things to them selves and others, which just makes them create toxicity in the community. In the end by trying to mix both. You end up catering to no one but, people who just like to burn ants with a magnifying glass. You’ll keep their attention for maybe 2 or 3 weeks, then they get bored and move on as well.

Ok
(1 year ago)

Reaper Alim.4176:

All of the players playing GW2’s sPvP are not noncompetitive players. That being said most of the players playing GW2, if I had to take a rough guess %90 – %95 are noncompetitive gamers, who only plays GW2’s sPvP Ranked League Seasons 1 – 3 because you really didin’t needed to be “good” to win or get legendary rewards[ hence some of the players that was getting hit with massive lost streaks of 25 plus in a row. Brought a new account and used the same builds and classes and then magically started getting 20 plus game winning streaks. This is a fact not opinion.] [Or players in Legendary division complaining about other legendary players getting put on their team that was “Amber quality”]

OK

Reaper Alim.4176:

Aza.2105:

These are all awful changes, I’m sorry but you don’t understand anything about class balance. DH is in a ok spot right now, other classes like Mesmer and Rev outshine them. All the complaining is a L2P issue. Hopefully Anet doesn’t give into absurd whining such as this.

ANet as lately will give in. It’s the only way that ANet can keep the casuals or noncompetitive sPvPers interested in sPvP in GW2. More so since ANet and the sPvP community effectively pushed most of the competitive players away from this game’s sPvP. ANet is now forced to cater to the casuals or risk their sPvP mode’s even earlier and untimely death.

If you want real sPvP action then you have to play a real sPvP game that supports balancing their sPvP system. Other then that, all is in vain.

Ok …..so… let me guess you are one of the ppl that now like theseason 1-3 and before you didnt ?
Or the shouldnt havent nerfed things back then , so they wont catter to the stupid casuals ………… and atm , like most posters cry about powecreep ?

(Will they balance in the next x-pack on their own to avoid such sillies mentalities ….. …or should i witchunt ppl on the first month ?)

Devata.6589:

Killthehealersffs.8940:

1 year ago you where saying the the Devs should focus on the GW1 model (faster x-packs + remove the 2 Weeks Living story > for 3 months updates)
And put rewards , behind skiled content ,so it will feel rewarding and not grind (Raids>Legendary )
And now they cant go back in their former glory ?

I have been saying that from about half a year after the release of GW2 up to the release of HoT. I also said that in my opinion HoT (and the first year after that) was in my opinion the last opportunity to turn things around.

Considering thinks did not get fixed and we are well passed the half year after HoT I now indeed do not think they can get back to their former glory. Perfectly in line with what I did say in the past.

So lets get this straight :
You wanted them 3 months updates >the company does that > the community hates it = whine about it
You wanted more x-packs > the company does that >the community dont want to pay 60 dollars
You wanted more items behind Hard content , so ppl dont feel they grind gold > the company creates Raids which offer the most gold and the Legendary Armor > a minor amount of community does that

What again the ‘’Perfectly in line with what I did say in the past’’

8 motnhs ago your idea was …….
‘’more x-packs less gemstore items …like GW1’’ to be used in GW3 , because now its too late .
You still havent told me how to persuade those 2 million accounts to buy the game > while trying to jump in the future with your immaginary plan

Edit: If any point of the future the company lower the price … they will forced to still produce gemstore items to offshore the loss
Dont make me to say the same things in the next x-pack … i have other ppl to destroy !

Devata.6589:

I have always been an advocate for B2P (Like GW1) because P2P is just not very popular these days and will keep many people away in the first place. And a cash-shop focused approach (like GW2) is a problem in an MMO because you are always effecting the game / game-play itself. Compromising it if you will. Exactly what imo happed with GW2 and one of the main reasons why people got bored and burned out by it.

However what they should focus on is the game, and draw their conclusions from that.

Having said that, at best they will be able to get things stable again. I don’t think it’s possible to get it back to it’s former glory, simply because to many people have left that will not be coming back.

You know the drill … bickering with each other for 22 days :P

1 year ago you where saying the the Devs should focus on the GW1 model (faster x-packs + remove the 2 Weeks Living story > for 3 months updates)
And put rewards , behind skiled content ,so it will feel rewarding and not grind (Raids>Legendary )
And now they cant go back in their former glory ?

The commuity where whinning about the price of the x-pack + lack of content (they got used to 2week updates) + difficulty fo the PvE envoiroment

I have an idea …. why should i not ’’force’’ another player to nug another game , if he doesnt representthe community + dont have clue +change his word with every xpack ?

Devata.6589:

Comparison the two shops is just silly.

How many pets, mounts and skins does that game have for you to earn in the world?

Now how much does it have in the shop?
Pets (mini’s): 13
Mounts: 10
Helms (skins): 3

So instead of bickering that WoW is already taking 12 dollars and forces you to pay EXTRA REAL MONEY to some cosmetic is ok.
But in GW2 case where you can change gold>gems IS NOT OK ?
Have you seen from the start opf the X-packall places offer a huge amount of gold and YOU ARE NOT FORCED TO SPENT ANY MONEY IN THE GEMSTORE ….hence the lack on the real income ?

But you know .you are Devate … we must do the 22 days cycle :P

gw niko.1049:

And again. The spvp community didn´t just leave with Helseth, Noscoc and co, it was already gone long before. They were just the few ones who lasted the longest.

You mean in the first 50.000 dollar tournaments , where 60% of the teams ceased to exist , because their members where under 18 and they merged with each other ? (there was a 18+ rule to participate)
The under 18 , went mostly in LoL to exploit its huge viewership ?
Or other under-18 where aiming to participate in the qualifiers and sent another person in the Live Tournaments ? (damm snitches …when money are involved..)
Or teams , like Pagramid…Pigramid (FOR THE LOVE OF THE GODS!!!) where its members where from Egypt (laywer) + America(vailkyre amulet) + Germany (shasha or akazukin chacha) + Europe , and they coulddnt play together …because ppl from Europe could play ONLY with other Europian for the europian qualifiers ?

(or something like that …
i didnt understand the part ‘’I CAN BE THERE ON MY OWN’’ spoamming in twitch)

gw niko.1049:

Seriously. If they would load the first year version of the game. The real spvp people would destroy this pve farmer noobs hardcore.
I´m sure of that. They wouldn´t even know what was happening to them.

I remember too , Jumper (thief) introducing the 100-ndada Enginer spec when ppl where spouting that it is unfair that no other classes exept Thief+Warrior cannot blow up another person in 1,5 sec in April-June 2013
(after the -10% nerf ., becaused of WvwWvw)
Or when they buff the F1 of Mesmers to give 3 might with each Illusion exposion .

Both where welcomed graciously from the pro community too
/trollface :P

What helps my class to win Tournaments are good … the rest are bad :P

Reaper Alim.4176:

Yeah again I have to agree with these statements. However there are just too many players and devs in the community that is just happy with this system. That any idea for a better system to start the rehab process of Ranked PvP is failed at the start. We’ve tried our kitten est to reason with them. They didn’t want to hear it. All that is left to do is allow them to enjoy the hell they created for themselves.

Cynz.9437:

The 1900s-1800s don’t play as much because currently chance of getting lopsided match is nearly 90% due to all issues i started above. Fix the system and people would be more willing to play.
Also, once the system stops putting 1900s vs silvers (making 3 hours queues), thoese players will also stop queuing at 5 am for easy wins and will be forced to play during prime time if they actually want to get any matches (min. matches played per week requirement still exists).

Once again, the point of LB is not to make players to play as less as possible however the MM/rank gain/loss system force players in such behavior since the risks are disproportionally high.

So called “casuals” messed ratings in s5 not because of their skills or lack of it but because they chose to afk at spawn all together every match since they would still get rewards. It is completely different issue which could have been easily solved if ascended shards could be only gained with wins and not amount of matches played.

You know, the reason why players complain here is because they still want to play GW2 and wish it to change for better. If they really wanted to play something else, they wouldn’t be here.

I am sorry …but they wont be truly e-sport like Paragon
(when som1 is speaking in the party channel >highlight /change the color)

Is this some kind of advertisement for Paragon/LoL or am i missing something here? Because this comment is completely irrelevant to the topic.

a) I am sorry , but the reason of the LB is to get in an acceptable place ….then carefully to rise up by playing as low amount of numbers as posible to avoid the drop

Can you immagine for a sec ,what would happen if you get 4 points for a win and 12 for loosing (instead of 36) ?
Even in the case of 55% win rate (4 wins/3 loss per week ) you would loose only 36 rating .
The ppl below you ,will be forced to play MORE games to catch up to you …and theres a HUMOGOUS chance they get in a loosing streak .
This is why even in a balanced matches of 1900 vs 1900 you would loose the same LB points (36 per game)… TO FORCE YOU TO PLAY MORE in the case if you lost ….and create a proper leaderboard that assure you that those 60 games (after 2 months) + 10 placements matches , where not just LUCK or team8s that simply carried you .

b) Create a petition to give rewards only to the winners in the next season ….
I am betting 1 gold that ppl will give up ….not in 100 points difference …but in the 50 :P
(‘’Loose fast …so we can join an other’’)

c) Yeah i tried to name ’’Paladin’’ , but the wine kicked in and my sis flying pan , asking for money

Cynz.9437:

You know, the reason why players complain here is because they still want to play GW2 and wish it to change for better. If they really wanted to play something else, they wouldn’t be here.

Pfff..
Casuals..

How many 1900 ppl there are atm ? …and they are playing nonstop so the system will try to put them in your team ?
Or they will play 1-2 games per day to avoid any other loss?
The 1800 ppl because they are scared for their Rating , they will play more so they can dethrone the 1900’ afkers ?
Or they will comfaftable to stay in the top 250 Leaderboard ?
The only ones that will keep playing , they will be playing are the 1500-1600 crowd that will aim for the rewards atleast

Leaderboards…mean play as less as posible/loose less to get the tittle/top 5% rewards .
Season 1-3 where pushing ppl up in the Leaderboards …so the ’’dethrone’’ would be easier
and the seson 4 ..stacked high MMR players together . …so the leaderboard will fix iteself in 10 days
In season 5 , you where all moaning that causals aimed for the rewards ..mnessing up your rating?
And now you all feel that you prefer to play other games ?

Funny that you mention LoL. There, diamonds would never face silver players and rank gains/losses are actually based on team ratings…

I am sorry …but they wont be truly e-sport like Paragon
(when som1 is speaking in the party channel >highlight /change the color)

In the placements matches we had posters that moaned that some ppl where gaining better leaderspots numbers from some others , while they had the same results ….
Their previous MMR helped them to go in higher spots (more Rating) , in order to avoid to be in the ’’medium’’ zone and farm the new players .
You could have 1900 … he can have 1600 ….. but you have played the same numbers of games …(too few> avoid any more losss) .
In the end , if you both have 55% win rating YOU ARE IN THE SAME SKILL LVL .
If the averege time played is 1 game per day (2 months=60 games) and both keep the 55% win rating … who is the killed and not ?

So you want a system implanted where if your chance to win is lower than the oponent , you dont loose much rating and you gain more (if you beat them) ?
I am sorry …. but real esports like LoL rewards you for winning …so we must keep this ‘’deja vu’’ system

Its the spread like candies the infractions , season ?

Cynz.9437:

^^this all happens because they changed MM to fast queues instead of quality matches so it just throws whatever it finds within minute in the same match.

^-^ and this happens because YOUR MACHT PLAYED effect you Leaderboard rating .
You can have 200-300 less rating team8s in your team , but both YOU and HIM have played 60 games in a period of 2 motnhs .
Not enought data to to categorized you who is pro or not .
Its a silly arbitery number ..based on your previous seasons MMR + 10 current placements macthes

THIS IS TRULY A 100% NON GIMMIMICK OLD SCHOOL NOT GRINDBASED LEADERBOARDS (without the casuals that keep active the que and hunt the Loot boxxes)

edit: not exactly …we need rewards to be available only o the 5% ….so we can have more matches manipulation + alts sabotage + late night/offimes gameplay :P
DO IT THE NEXT SEASON !!!!!!!!!!!

Vicariuz.1605:

You completely fail to acknowledge that each game has teams comprised of multiple divisions. Just with that, not a single match, can be competitive. In a competitive match, where every person is near each other’s rating, which means within 150-200 rating, a person is not going to be able to 1v2 or 1v3. Plain and simple. That ONLY happens when there are players in the match that should not be there (other than certain builds on certain maps against certain builds).

You also fail to acknowledge anything about how the MM forms teams, and as far as giving people a chance to play in a higher division, the whole point of entire thing is to EARN that, not be given it by a faulty system that the devs WILL NOT fix, because it will highlight their complete and utter failure on the game mode as a whole. That’s why they have chosen to go with queue time over quality. That’s why no one is playing, because it’s OBVIOUSLY terrible, and the people with the power to fix it, refuse to.

You fail to acknowledge that when when even the pros and the new players DONT PLAY as much in order to avoid the chance to loose MMR ….there will be not much difference …..
IF YOU PLAY more … the system will try to accurate represent your rating/skill ..
Whn every tries to play as less as posible … then a person with 80w/40 …and 65w/55 is almost in the same lvl
This is the copy paste of any normal system
Capish ?

Cynz.9437:
A higly skilled player can carry in soloque
In the past you where saying to return the soloque to showcase this kind of skill
Deal with it

Cynz.9437:

- absolute lack of attention and any kind of rewards for pvp in first years after launch <—- main reason, honestly.

I didn’t join gw2 right at the launch due to NCSOFT being the publisher. I have seen same pattern with other games. Now i am a sad customer watching yet another great game being wasted (pvp wise)

Oh i see …so the Ferbouary/Martch tournament with the 10k Gems prize does not count ?
In the first 6 months , your kind where begging the company to create a real money tounaments , so big streamers and their viewers to join GW2
….and the other 6 to motivae the PvE ppl to participate in PvP and boost the ingame population…

Why do you thing Drybear(streamer in Smite>Dev in Paragon) left GW2 in Novembers 2012 ?
a) Lack or viewers ?
b) Luck of money ?
c) UNNERFED HASTE (100%) +UNNERFED HEARTSTRIKE (4-5K crit) while the SPECIFIC COMMUNTIY + SPECIFIC PERSON claimed along with the Backstab spec …that Thief wont see the light of the competive scene and they are just noobstompers?
(which YOUR KIND got it wrong from Martch 2013 till now ?)
And later on …your kind claimed that the damage is justified , because tanky specs as the Valk Ele (Phantaram) exist ?

Even in a balanced matches , the gain/loose whould be the same (6 for win/ 36 for loose) … in order to create a Leader that FORCES YOU TO NOT LOOSE …TO SHOWCASE SKILL AS MOST PPL WANTED !

Combined with a Soloque … where Top players skills will be highlighted(hight skillplayers can shutdown 2-3 opponents) and more teams will be created or those top players be inv as replacements for future Tournaments
(https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Unity-PvP-Tournament-Org)

This is the 2013 plan ….
They stopped reinventing the wheel …
Why are you all not happy???

/THROW KEYNOARD………….

Edit: /pick up pieces …
These huge amount of lose rating , give to other ppl below you a chance to play in you ’’division’’ rather than having back to back 10 players fighting each other again and again for 6 points win and 9 for loosing

/THROW AGAIN KEYBOARD

Cynz.9437:

I am not so bothered by community (have seen worse) but the system itself is just extremely discouraging, especially the higher you get in ranks. It is basically: you work 40 hours a week for 5k €/month, but then you get promotion and supposed to work 60 hours a week for 800 €/month. This is current pvp system for me. The system literary screams at me: do NOT PLAY THIS GAME!!!

Oh i see …so in the previous system where you didnt loose PiP if you scored enought points compered to the the enemy team MMR , you where crying that the Leaderboards has no prestige and they should stop reinventing the wheels and just coppy systems from other games ..

While now when you get higher >you loose more and gain less…you are not playing ?

Can you tell , why the devs should listen any1 in the community …if the community itself gonna use ‘’Change Of Hearts’’ every 8 months ?

(brb going to work to sle…work)

Edit: Or are we gonna analyze , that the system place Silver players in your team (SO THE ENEMIES MUST HAVE THE SAME) and the diffrence between gold to silver is like 15-20 more conclusive wins (while the rest are having their 50% win ratio at the meantime)

Exept of Rev’s Sword 2nd attack (did 6k pierce) + Ranger’s 2 HoT pets (flame drake+turtle) ,
the community needed 1 year to aknolwghe Trap Guardians
+ Stuff Thiefs +Spamm Headshot
+ Warriors (yeah after the 1sec burn buffs in various weapons skills ,ppl started using them)
+ Condition Mesmers (8 months before the x-pack when they buffed the auto attack > ppl claimed that it wouldnt work in conquest because you had to use various ammount of stealth) .

In which part they created HoT powercreep , when the community didnt found out … or the spamming in the forums that ‘’it wont work in competive lvl’’ , in order to secretly protect it ?

In season 1+2 every1 where moaning about the bunker -Celestial meta (where the pro introduced it) , telling the company that they should remove it and that way the skillcap and the fast paced would be increased , so it can highlight the beautiful engine .
And when they removed it , ppl started moaning again and threaten to leave the game , telling that the company listened to the casuals ?

I am sorry , but near the nex x-pack can you stop giving infractions for 1 month , so i can have some ‘’nice conversation’’ to various oathbreakers ?

Cynz.9437:

Revs are heavy armor class with way high HP pool than thieves. They also have access to blocks, evades, regen, stab and double heal. Thief doesn’t have any of that (or very limited access that meta builds don’t run anyway). Let’s not compare apples or oranges.
Once again, remove elite specs from pvp and balance core from there. If AA nerf is needed after that then so should it be. But this is not what all this mesmer mains that don’t even play the thief class suggest here – they just ask for plain nerf of one class that is not even overperforming atm.

Thiefs get more dodges and more evades frames to various weapon skills and benefit more from vigor via traits and restore endurance when dodge compared to any other class classes while dishing damage
..and on top of that if you attack them , while they have their evade frames any condition is removed (with a trait)
Even if the Elites specs is removed then , still the combat have the same TTK ….
Hot specs does the same damage with the vanilia … they are based on it …
atleast more spells are needed to combo each other to do much damage than the vanilia one

still its not the same dificulty lvl asGurdians old spec :
Shield of Wrath>Chains of Light>Symbol of Punishment>Mighty Blow (while doing Judge’s Intervention)>activate Virtue of Justice .
Or hugly telegraphed like Ranger’s Maul

Edit: Lets not go in round and round conversations about who is playing vanilia specs in this thread , because my memory is not very good about Pulmonary Impact (spamm Headshot) or how easily Smite pirate songs powned easily other pirate characters :P

Revenants auto attacks after HoT had the same attack speed and damage as the Thiefs dagger and they butchered it by placing a 0,5 cast time and lowering their dps
That is OBLIVION :p

Because the autos attacks have such a low animation and speed it can be used between your rotation/spells to boost your damage trementously , you are free to protect your class and ‘’wink wink’’ in the Devs that that kind of damage is ok and highllights the GW2 engines and showcase beautiful skillplay in the Youtube ….

but DONT WHINE ABOUT POWERCREEP , becuase if that TTK is acceptable by the community and becomes the ’’normal’’ , then EVERY FUTURE SPECIALIZATION WILL DEPEND TO DO THE SAME DAMAGE OR BEEING TOUGHT ENOUGHT TO HANDLE THAT BURST (2013-2016)

Choose one or the other…..
Protect your class , or protect the future

Hey all,

Just to clarify a few misunderstandings around the GW2 section on ESL Play closing down:

" We are only talking about our #ESLPlay activities, which will end after today’s cup. "
" This does not exclude us to do any GW2 activities in the future as we had a great time with the game and the community in the past years. "

https://twitter.com/ESLGW2/status/849949931624443904
https://twitter.com/ESLGW2/status/849950170305277953

If where willing to hug Helseth and tell him ‘’i am sorry’’ ,
then i would surely forgive you :PPPP

Creation of new API game , where each enemy kill removes a layer of cloth from Zoose + Arcandis , Powerr and Helseth :P

Nihevil.8024:

https://twitter.com/ESLGW2/status/849265788582338561

I hope Helseth dont see it

fishball.7204:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/120344507

For those of you who don’t frequent reddit/watch helseth

SMITE ?!?!!

FINE !!!

NO REGRETS !

Devata.6589:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Just for grins and giggles, and for the ‘what it’s worth department’.

Massively OP’s Best of 2016 Awards: BEST MMORPG BUSINESS MODEL OF 2016

Nice, but it’s just a price by some of their readers. Not really anything objective. Do you know who all won the Nobel price of piece? A few deserved it but I for sure would not be in that list.

Objectively from a financial viewpoint we have seen dropping results so in that perspective their current model is not successful.
I also checked the site and did notice a few strange things. It’s a price for a business model, but is awarded to a game? That is like an award for best brand car, and then selecting a specific car instead of a brand. GW2 has a cash-shop model maybe in combination with a B2P model (depending how you define it). There are many games with that model.

………………………………..
That is also the thing, the fact that other models (and implementation of them) are worse does not mean your model is great. It might be the best of what there is, but that does not mean it’s great.
The model I promote here is currently not being used by any big MMO. Funny enough that model is mentioned twice in the comments about GW2. That does say something if you ask me.

They should hire you to work for them ….
you know a lot better than the rest of them or their readers…
Why you limit yourself here 17 months now and you dont spread your wings to create a game ?

I am comfused….
How much round conversation you will do ?
You where saying in Vayne that the company was OK with the x-packs sold and that why they will aim to releases them in shorter period …
Should they sold more x-packs or not ….why you make a comment on Flesh that the data shows that it doesnt work , while you claim in Vayne thateverything is ok?

The ’’plans’’ of yours …a game that sells only x-packs and not a gemstore …..STILL HAVENT CONCUDE ABOUT HOW WE CAN PURSADE THE 3 MILLION F2P ACCOUNTS TO BUY THE X-PACKS …

Dont worry i will make these thread , so the rest of the community see your ‘’true self’’ :P
I will be your short verion ‘’into the depth of Devata mind’’
(wanna work as a security guard at a lesser madhouse with me … its fun :P
If you behave them with gently way , they will boot you from the child hospital to join them 24/7 )

Devata.6589:

What you mean, how to sell it? I said they should market it as GW3 if they want another opportunity to get more people where we are now. So I do not understand you question.

Again you are not answering my question …
There are 3 million F2P games that refused to buy the x-pack
.The company is looking ways to entice those 3m F2P to buy the x-pack…
How they can do it ?
You have the maths and the Excell

Should they offer a Porsce if you buy the x-pack and play for 600 hours ?

Devata.6589:

No but they are then left with unrewarding content, because many of those nice rewards have moved to the cash-shop. Sure, not everybody is into cosmetics so if you are one of those then it might be less of a problem. But the best GW2 has to offer for you then is WvW, and if I am correct you need to get to level 60 to unlock that. I can imagine many people get bored before that. When most of us started playing servers where filled with people, many people where leveling. That also increase the enjoyment, but that is much lower now.
Anyway, I am not here to address the F2P approach. It is not an approach I would have gone for, so why should I have to tell you how to get those people to buy the game (not the expansion, the game!). So your question, how to get F2P players to buy the game should be addressed to Anet, not to me.

What rewards have been moved from the Core game to the cash shop ?
Dont use these silly round and round conversation to me plz :P
Lets be pro

You are making the claims that ppl love to pay 60 dollars and buy the x-pack .
Youare claiming that ppl feel forced to GRIND GOLD NOWNOWNBOW and that cause Burnout .
Youare making this silly threads , claiming that the population of GW1 bought the x-packs and they where happy , so they can try to replicate it here .
Where is your data ABOUT HOW TO ENTICE THOSE 3 MILLION TO PAY 60 DOLLARS ??
They cannot trade gold for gems, SO THEY ARE NOT FORCED TO GRIND THE ITEMS THE GEMSTORE !!!

Devata.6589:

If you mean, how can you earn enough money with the B2P model. Luckily for you the calculation for that is already in the Excel. While that is obviously just a calculation based on the numbers we have.

How can we entice 3 million F2P accounts to buy the x-pack , so the company gets 180 millions and they dont need the gemstore ???
Give ideas , about how to entice them and then remove the gemstore !!!

Devata.6589:

Killthehealersffs.8940:

if ppl didnt agree with me , the thread would be dead

Lol, in the OP I already said most people who were still on the forums would likely NOT agree with me. The main reasons these types of threads are up a longer time is because many people clearly are interested in those numbers. (Not so much the cash-shop focus discussion). That is also why we see a thread about the quarterly reports almost every time they get released.

These thread dont have anything to do about the qurter updates, but rather your are trying to push your futile ’’idea’’ 17 months now , that they should remove from the gemstore and sell more x-packs .
But you go round and round and use the words ‘’my predictions-my calcalations’’
I will feel a little bored to repeat the same conversations when the 2-years-next-x-pack shows up , so i am having my now , and gather some lost steam :P

Devata.6589:

@Killthehealersffs.8940

You always refer to my Crysis prediction example. Were I made that prediction against what the people in the business where doing (so who knew what they where doing according to some).

I just got this news hot off the press. http://crytek.com/news/crytek-outlines-future-plans-and-focuses-on-return-to-core-competencies

I figured it was worth to share it here, and specifically with you. Just to remind people that business can be wrong and some people on a forum can be right.

Remember Crysis at one point had an almost legendary status, we still got the meme But Can It Run Crysis? But even they can make mistakes as we can see.

You where linking me a threads at the 9th or 17th or 21th or 22th page , about you made a prediction that :
There wont be a crysis 3 , if the company dont catter to the hardcore, otherwise if will fail like Castlevania and other 2 games
If i am wrong , just link me your post :P

And ’’these’’ predictions you are making here, you will use them to pewpew in other video games forums :P
I know how ppl think :p
I have been ’’serving’’ since 14 , as healer , worthy/interesting/magnetic and not so worthy targets :P

AHAHAH I am sorry , have you thought what you are typing ?
(as usual 17 months now ?)
You try to apease to different ppl …using diferend ways of thinking (dont steal my job plz:P)

Devata.6589:

There are also other ways. Honestly I would not be surprised as Blizzard is planning to move to a system as I am asking for with WoW. They already made it so you can pay the sub with in-game gold (not sure how much gold and how hard to get that) and are moving their expansion-releases closer to each other.

Ppl are FORCED play online for 6-8 hours a day for 13-16 days to gather those 100.000 -110.000 gold and get the sub free (and the price goes up in most servers)
And they have cash shop too (without the ability to buy them with gold)

Your idea … HAH !
My idea …. say that you idea …. is lame :P

Devata.6589:

Then there is Overwatch from the same developer. That game has an initial sale, it does have a cash-shop but only sells loot-boxes you also get in-game. Now I do think cosmetics are bad in a MMO because it’s an element of the game, it’s part of the RPG experience, but considering Overwatch is a shooter that is not really a thing. However the way I see it, their long-term plans to earn money is not the cash-shop or the game (as there will be no expansions) but E-sports and merchandise. An approach I love because it has zero negative impact on the game itself.

The cash shop and and a portion of those money will go/funnel the E-sport .
The company looses money when they have to rent/organise the place for the next tournament and give away the rpize money to the winners .
They will get some money when the attract new players (buy once the account) and theres a humogous chance they will keep playing and spending MORE real money compared to the price of the box in the longterm via the gemstore

Edi:
You have to get rid of this silly normal human mentality of :
‘’i was right’’
‘’i told you so’’
a) So you will feel right with yourself and wash your hands ’’clean’’ and walk away (just like the PvPers) (otherwise i will be your dark-chocolate with a bitter taste , so you wont feel this human satifaction)
Regadles of your silly predictions that ppl want to buy more x-pack , rather that using the gemstore ….
Even those 3m F2P created accounts only a minority buy it and the company is looking new ways to entice ppl to buy them ..

b) And when new games will be realeased , you will link theses silly threads with those silly predictions that ppl love to buy the x-packs and try to boss around their forums to become a Diva (dont steal my job)

Just like you linked me the thread of the Crysis 2 forums ….with the comment :
There wont be a 3rd crysis if the game dont focus on the hardcores …otherwise if will fail like Castlevania…(and 2 other games) , rather than succed such as this…this.this…

If you dont have ideas to allure those 3 million F2P account , about how to buy the x-pack ….dont talk so highly about you or your predictions , while you pretent to ‘’know something’’ , in this 4th Devata megathread , otherwise i will w8 you next year to start all over again :P

Devata.6589:

In my opinion Anet did already alienate many people with their approach before HoT (because of the grind), something they might not have done if they did go with the expansion-based model from the beginning.

I am sorry again , but once again …..
when the x-pack dropped ppl where trying to :
1) Reduce the price of the x-pack with raising kittenstorm about :
a) No extra character slot for ppl that didnt want to pre-order
b) PPl that bought the vanilia account 6 months prior , thought that they can trade it with HoT FOX FREE while there was difference in price (30 euro for vanilia….60 for hot)
c) *PPl linking threads over threads , that the Devs ’’promished’’ that they wouldnt need an x-pack or the promish free updates for EVER *
d) map are few
e) etc etc

OR
2) They got bored to grind gold …beaucase the outfits where so beautiful … that they couldnt resist ?(well ok … exept the wedding dress and the undress bottun :PP)

Devata.6589:

I also don’t say that switching to the expansion-based model at this time will still do any good (That had to be done before, and is why I stopped being active on this forum a year ago) because people have left and are not very likely to come back. The only way I can see them getting people back is if they can market it as basically GW3.

But the thread you are making now and the 3 previous states that ppl would love x-packs and less gemstore items , by your preditctions

How can you persuade those 2 million created accounts to buy the x-pack and charge 60 dollars for future x-packs , without need gemstore items ?
They currently cannot trade their gold for gems ….so they are not infested with this ’’disease’’
How we can persuade them

As you see talking is easy … the backfire is huge …
I was the only 1 that said that they should lower the gold from dungeons (so the elitism gtfo from infecting newer ppl and dropping to gold gems ratio to 158g for 800 gems) ….thus leading ppl to hate the company, while i walk free ….
Some1 will always left behind to try to glue the humogous mess that the minority of the community wants. …

I am sorry old hag, Pocahonta’s method is too slow :P

Devata.6589:

If you make good content and have an expansion every year – 1,5 year with maybe one bigger batch in-between the expansions and a minor story (small patches like the beginning of season 1) working towards that expansion then imho you have a pretty healthy and over the longer term sustainable player-base.

Wait a sec …. when you said in the past … to drop the 2-week circle updates
(because ppl that aimed to get the gemstore item where ’’forced’’ to grid gold and GET IN NOW NOWNOWNOWNONOW (no ETA to be removed from the store…ever) and they quited by your predictions FOR THAT )
for 3 months updates , just like GW1 and so they can create faster x-packs instead ?
….how the community react to it ?
And now you do an 180 degree flip flop , regadles of your predictions ? ……..
3 Devata Megathreads (this is your 4th) and we are back in ground zero ?

BTW in what price the next pack should be sold ….
So the rest of the readers can see , your numbers and how many money they are FORCED to spent :P

I really love you btw :P

In the one hand you are saying that the next x-pack will sold less x-pack because ppl are fed up with the grind to gold>gems and wont buy it …
And if they follow the formula of GW1 (shorter 8-12 months x-packs , the game will survive……..) .

And when some1 else say to you that , ppl dont want to pay real money to buy x-packs and that will create backlash just like in HOT (price too high) … you give the exact oposite answer that is sold good and the population liked it (exept the content draught) …
that why NCsoft said that they will make shorter scheduled x-packs

And then resume to the first part again ?

And i was the only one getting whipped for 15 days ?!!!!
/repeatedly pound chest *MEEEEEE ?????!!!!!*

..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t29feiHZMcM…
(Soldier =this is hopeless … surender your weapons
Defender=come and get them)

They must have the reason they didnt followthe GW1 formula of 8 months x-packs from the start , forcing the gamers to pay each time real money .
But rather see the success of the newcomming LoL(B2P with a F2P option) as a sign that the gamers and time drasticly change , and focusing more in the Gemstore and Free Updates would be the best option .
When the population , finds more ways to farm gold and hey dont feel pressured to pay any money , then any company must find a way to force them (releases a paid x-pack)

Time changes …. and its the worst enemy of a woman … (not for Milf’s)
Just like WoW where you are not forced to pay sub , but you can collect gold to pay it

If the next x-pack costs 25 euro , then you have 2 options :
a) propose major ideas to implant , regadles of how costy they are , but they get attractive so the community is willing to pay 60 euros
b) get used to 25 euros with more gemstore outfits

This is the last time i will sound resonable :P

Keep giving advices ideas about should they impant (like you Guild Halls or somethng) , so ppl love more 60 euro x-pakcs and the company wont need to offer more items in the gemstores ….
WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION IS THE kittenING 2015

But avoid the silly mentality like these :

I did not, I simply compared GW1 to GW2. I did that to compare the models and I think it has to do with the cash-shop. In fact I based the predictions (that came true) on that same idea (that cash-shop focus being a problem), for myself that increases the likely-hood that this indeed is the reason. But your right, these numbers don’t proof that relationship.

I told you in february 2015 … in an pseudo-oracle game , i am the best and you can call me Ilithia(stupid:P) sister or Pythia
I too love love our naive-circular conversation , just like the old times :P

About number:
My personal numbers based on the chart you made , is that in a decade the mentality of the ppl change and want different things .
Such as paying less real money to buy x-packs ,which in return the companymust aim in a different revenuein the same time
Such as the HoT Price Megathread indicated and each Video Site that had the tittle’’GW2 fans rise angaint the price’’

Edit: More ideas …. less i was right …. less i repressent the community…. dont steal my pseudo oracle job ….you know generally 2015 stuff ….