Guild Wars 2

Kagusaki.3176:

“When it comes down to it, the average MMO player wants something that looks sexy or relatively aesthetically pleasing – not something ugly, unusual or vicious.”

I think all charrs look sexy and aesthetically pleasing ._.

Yep! Love the way the Charr look. They just need to have textures for their armors that don’t look like they were stretched out like a fruit rollup. And the clipping issue should be dealt with quickly. Honestly, that’s just laziness and a lack of pride in one’s work there.

Serra.8069:

Drakkon.4782:

Every predator in the world is morphologically divided into one of three branches: Feliform, Caniform and Primate.

What about predatory birds? Or reptiles, fish, insects, etc…

Yes, I didn’t state “mammalian” predators. Since we weren’t discussing birds, reptiles, fish, insects or anything else like that, and all the examples were mammals, I kind of expected people to catch on.

To expound, fish are almost all predatory to some degree, with very few dedicated plant eaters, mostly because there are few plants, except in the shallows, in abundance for fish to survive upon. Most of the plants are in the form of plankton, and a lot of fish eat plankton. Plankton themselves can be either plant or animal and are unnecessary to classify further in this discussion because they are A) too small to care about, and they only eat other plankton, so they aren’t specialized enough to matter.

Cartilaginous predators are sharks. Just sharks. Skates and rays are still sharks. Highly specialized in their body shape, but still just sharks. All other fish are bony fish, and they don’t subdivide from there into more than their taxonomic species.

Birds are differentiated by beak style. Horn bills, hook bills and straight beaks. Horn bills typically are non-predatory fruit eaters. They consume berries and fruit, and sometimes nuts. They are usually called Birds of Paradise because they aren’t terribly aggressive, though they can be territorial.

Birds of prey are divides into hook and straight beaks. Eagles, hawks, and some sea birds have hook bills, useful for tearing flesh to expose the tissues and organs, and for pulling out said lumpy structures. They predominantly eat larger more mobile prey like snakes, rabbits, foxes, and small pets, or scavenge the dead carcasses of said creatures.

Straight bills involve most other birds, and include ravens and crows, and the wide variety of small birds that eat both seed and snails, slugs, words, beetles and other insects. These beaks are designed with the same intent as a surgeon’s scalpel. They go in, excise the tissue they want, and retract out the same hole without snagging.

Insects don’t have predatory classifications because only multi-stage insects aren’t typically meat eaters, and even that varies a little. Butterflies and moths start a caterpillars and worms, which eat plants or drink plant fluids to grow until they’re large enough to metamorphose into their adult stage, which typically only exists to mate and die, though some may be nectar drinkers, and thus also fill the role of pollinators. The rest are predatory and don’t differentiate style past their exoskeletons.

Reptiles aren’t broken down further than their body types, either. Monitors, ophidians (snakes), and a handful of other classifications exist, but there aren’t any truly herbivorous reptiles. They’re all predatory, so distinction isn’t required. Some iguana species, perhaps, but they’re the result of isolated development, and not because the species as a whole is herbivorous. (A note to anyone wanting to keep one as a pet, meat-eating reptiles have better immune systems than herbivorous ones, so though iguanas are very docile and look pretty, be prepared for them to die suddenly from some infection you didn’t even realize they had. Experience talking here. And wash your hands before and after handling them. That’s for your protection and theirs.)

There, happy now? The main reason that only mammals are interesting enough to classify this way is because most of the initial classification was done by zoologists traveling with big game hunters on safari, and big game hunters don’t hunt beetles. Fish, particularly in the deep sea, are hard to find in a comfortable to study manner. And reptiles are… well, you’d be hard pressed to find anything on the planet more complex than a microbe that doesn’t track it’s genetic structure back to a reptilian ancestor. They haven’t changed much in all this time, so… Yeah, not so interesting. Mammals? Mammals are ever-changing. Much more fun to study.

Oh, also, this thread is about Charr, and Charr are mammals, so… Yeah.

sierras.6297:

So why don’t we see the charr mega laser?

To be honest, I would think that the Charr would be more inclined to build a MegaCannon, than a MegaLaser. Make the entire top half of the Black Citadel rotate and place a huge gun emplacement on it. The range would be measured in territories. I wouldn’t be surprised if they could get it to fire as far away as Divinity’s Reach. Of course, the kind of powder required to discharge a gun of that size, combined with the overpressure generated by the explosion would be lethal, to say the least, to anyone within several miles of the cannon. The sound alone would probably be sufficient to destroy every ghost in Ascalon at least three times over.

Now that I think of it, cooperating on such a project could be an exciting challenge! My ears, I think I’m already forming a brilliant idea how to overcome the near range lethality for the operators and visitors to the Black Citadel. Yes, this could have far-ranging applications! EXCELSIOR!

Lostwingman.5034:

Because Legions placing their own military encampments and bases there for no other reason than to be there would look very suspect. The Legions practice realpolitik and they wouldn’t do something like that just to “join the ‘communety’”.

They would if there was a tactical advantage to it (Blood), they could gain access to some ancient tech (Iron) or they felt there were secrets that could benefit/harm the Charr as a whole (Ash).

Oh, look. Motivations. Problem solved.

Gandarel.5091:

lordkrall.7241:

So steampunk is not fantasy?

Megalasers aren’t steampunk. Terminators aren’t steampunk. Golems aren’t steampunk.

Yes, they are, yes, they are and yes, they are.

Steampunk is a style of presenting modern of high technology in an anachronistic manner. Typically it follows either an Edwardian or Victorian level of technology, incorporating clockworks, brass fittings, shiny buttons, glowing lights, and arcs of electricity and/or other types of energy.

So, using that as a base-line for “what is steampunk?”, Megalasers are Steampunk, Terminators (especially the clockworks we were fighting) are Steampunk, and Golems (particularly the way the Asuran Golems all glow and have bright shiny fittings) are most definitely Steampunk.

I feel it important at this point in the discussion to bring up Clarke’s Third Law: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”, and it corollary: “Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.”

The only reason we look at Megalasers (Laser Cannons), Terminators (Combat Robots) and Golems (Power Armor) as heratical pieces of “ubertech that has no place in fantasy” is because we’ve been introduced to them in a technological manner, and we keep going back to thinking of them in those terms. Instead, what we really have are Amplified Light Cannons, Clockwork Automatons and Magically Amplified Body Armor. ANet went for the easiest to understand terms they could when creating the Megalasers and that was the problem that sets this whole argument up. That they keep going back to the well indicates that they haven’t gotten it into their heads that while Steampunk is very fantasy and is alright and all, we want to see more sword and sorcery stuff, too.

Also, to clarify, Kryta has Catapults in every zones where we have Centaur (all of them, so…) which makes it 100% tech. Also, modern plumbing (more advanced than Roman aquaducts), fortified walls, modern building techniques. All very technological as opposed to magical.

Magumaa is 100% tech, as well, because of the Asura. Magitech, but tech nonetheless. The Sylvari use the most advanced technology of all: bio-organics. They grow their technology as plant life. They’re even more advanced than the Asura, even if they want to act like they don’t understand “technology”. They don’t understand inorganic technology is all. Bio-organics has a very sword and sorcery feel. It’s all very DnD druid.

Ascalon is 100% tech because of the Charr, thought he Charr are the only race that can be said to be 100% normal tech. Diesel engines, flamethrowers, rifles, pistols, etc. Modern-ish tech.

Of all the zones, Shiverpeaks is the only one where the technology level is very minimal. The Norn live in a world of magic and fantastic beasts, where dragons ravage their towns and threaten their very way of life, and horribly altered beasts, warped by dark magic and foul spells are an actual threat. This is the most “fantasy” zone of all. If you’re looking for traditional fantasy, this is your stop.

Every other zone is a mix of traditional high fantasy, medieval fantasy, steampunk and hypertech. Even Orr.

I can’t see how this one hasn’t been addressed yet. Throw down a turret and in two-four hits from trash, it’s destroyed. A major focus of the Engineer class can’t stand up to a stiff breeze.

Why is this? Even buffed and traited, they die with an additional hit. There isn’t anything for it. They’re just not worth using at this point. Down, hit, boom.

And the workaround from the Engineer forum? Deploy, Overcharge, Destroy. Yeah. Drop and then blow it up. Worthless.

They’ve been like this since release. Its been long enough. I think that a stern “Fix it!” is appropriate. You managed to omit the turrets from the pet/minion health buff last patch. Fix your oversights. Turrets need usability. That means survivability.

“Are you a Hyperbola, because I can see us getting close without limits.”

Zeph.5927:

Maybe I shouldn’t have used the Hello Kitty Online part, but I still stand by my point. To change the armor or to even suggest that it be changed IS stupid from the established lore aspect of the game. And considering more people like the fact that charr armor is the same for both male and female, it’s safe to say that gender different armor is in the minority and should be all together ignored.

Whoa, there. Just because you’re correct in your estimation tht the u8ndifferentiated armor is the preferred style for the Charr, from both an aestetic and a lore standpoint, doesn’t mean that the opinions that vary from that should be ignored. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, which is neither right nor wrong. Your opinion is, in fact, the only thing in this life you ARE entitled to. It should not be ignored, even if you don’t agree with someone else. I don’t agree with his opinions, but at least my discussion with him has been about his logic, not that he holds the opinions, and I while I might have claimed he should drop his suggestions, I have never said his opinion should be ignored. His logic is flawed, but he is allowed to feel as he wishes.

Having an opinion is fine. Wishing that opinion would make a change that the vast majority of people would hate? Not fine. It irritates me to no end when people want to kitten all over a game’s lore just because of a personal preference. If they want that, then they can go make their own game, the way they want it to be made. Until then, deal with the lore or gtfo.

ANet won’t change the game based on a minority opinion that makes no sense, has no basis in lore, and has little support from only a fringe of people at the edge. There’s no reason to get that bent out of shape about a game.

Please, calm down. People are getting way too excited about something this inconsequential. It’s a game. Relax. Lives don’t depend on it.

Jeez, I can’t believe I’m the voice calling for calm.

Leo G.4501:

The next step is an easy one! Soon we’ll have some Charr declaring their admiration for their Asura lover on the battle field or inviting their Charr assistant to their lab for late night cuddles after a long day’s work with their krewe.
I’ll be emailing you the .pdfs with the diagrams on specific pegs and slots configurations so you’re fully prepared…it’s not as complicated as you think.
And no need to thank me. I’m just Leo, making Tyria ickier one post at a time

No need. I know a Human who paints artwork that is quite instructive. You know the old saying, “If it exists, the Human imagination will do something perverse with it.” It’s the 34th Rule. Besides, I can find anything on the Data Matrix.

CorvusRex.8349:

Go Norn or go home.
The answer is simple. Norn are masters of the hunt, and Charr are beasts to be hunted.

You are in the wrong place for that sort of attitude…

Aaron Ansari.1604:

Except the Orrians DIDN’T abdicate their lives. One vizier cast one spell with or without the knowledge that it would destroy the nation. It wasn’t an acknowledgement of charr supremacy, it was more like the mother of all backfires.

The Vizier ruled them, or acted in the name of the ruler. That’s what a Vizier is. So they put their lives in his hands, and he killed them.

And not Supremacy, SUPERIORITY! They feared the Charr so much that they were willing to risk death (and got it) rather than submit. That’s a great honor.

You can’t have a claim to a nation that no longer exists, and claiming land only works within the context of an existing government. However, humans do have a strong claim to the things on that land, including such monuments as the cathedrals, by the dual justifications of cultural relevancy- these things are innately worth more to the humans than to any other race because of their shared history- and divine right- much of the architecture of Orr seems to have come from the gods themselves, and humans are their chosen people.

If the nation no longer exists, then one can claim anything one wants. It’s up to someone to come up with a better claim, and as the human gods vacated Orr long ago, they don’t have the better claim. Sorry.

BobbyStein.2315:

We haven’t revealed her motive yet. I can understand the confusion and/or frustration surrounding that so we’re looking at ways to accelerate the plot and implement some features that will make it easier to track Living World content. The first phase of that system will be implemented before the end of the year.

Someone contact the execs at Fox! This needs to get cancelled quick!

Esplen.3940:

Drakkon.4782:

I want to reskin my turrets with Asuran Megalaser skins.

I actually like the mini Asura turrets that look like diamonds. I also like the golems that look like aforementioned diamonds.

Those, too. I want those. Actually, I want the Lightning Turrets themselves.

BrunoBRS.5178:

Korsbaek.9803:

Requiem.8769:

We do rule the world. The bookahs just haven’t realized it yet.

the order of whispers just makes the asura think they rule the world when the order is really rulling it from the shadows;)

what about the asuras in the order?
O_o

Asuraception. We must go deeper.

He’s a known quantity. He’s easy to read, subtle as a brick through a window, and about as sneaky as a level 1 Thief. I can trust him to go with the highest bidder.

She’s too good. She’s unpredictable, has someone pulling her strings, and owes too many people favors. She’s unfortunately bad at hiding her problems. I don’t trust her.

Evon is perfect for the Council. No surprises there. It comes down to personalities. She’s just not trustworthy to me.

Logan is the one in the dress. Jennah is clearly the only one in the relationship wearing pants. Come to think of it, Logan wears the dress in his relationship with Rytlock, too. Why is he such a Nancy?

Jigain.8231:

That said, none of this is relevant to the original question of technological complexity, to which I maintain my previously established reasoning and conclusion.

Technological complexity without practical usability and logistical feasibility is of neither use nor value. Simply saying that you can make the most technologically complex widget in the world is almost as impressive as saying you’re the tallest Asura. It’s meaningless unless said widget does something useful. While the Asuran technology is impressive, and shiny and glowy and glossy, it is also overly difficult to work with, only reparable by a handful of Asura, and not quickly. Its use in a practical manner is limited, at best.

This is not the case with Charr technology. Charr technology is simple to deploy, easy to repair, and reliable.

It’s the difference between a Roman road and a modern highway. Sure the modern highway carries more weight, passes more cars and in a shorter time, but it breaks down every few years, has to be practically rebuilt from scratch, and even then it takes a long time to repair. Roman roads, laid thousands of years ago, are still around, and some are actually still in use. Without repairs. Which was engineered better?

If I need a one-off weapon or item to be used in a single situation, and I know that I have time to get it done, I’ll go with the Asura. If I need thousands of items, produced quickly, distributed to thousands of people, and they all have to work right every time, I’ll take Charr tech every time.

Complexity and Advancement only matter if they can be put to use, and Asuran tech is highly theoretical. Charr tech is practical. Practical trumps Theory every time. My money is on the Charr.

Ludovicus.7980:

Drakkon.4782:

Ludovicus.7980:

runeblade.7514:

Charr should want to colonize Orr.
Ascalon is landlocked. If the Charr took over Orr, they will be able to open up ports and begin ruling the seas.

Those kities don’t even like water. It should be quaggans. And shookooshoo the incredible will host shows every day there.

Cool story, bro…

Wait… what?

Charr don’t like water? Says who?

Says Rytlock (read edge of destiny)
He didn’t even know how to swim at the beginning.

“Rytlock can’t swim, so no Charr can swim.” Logical falacy. My Charr swim quite well. In fact I enjoy swimming a lot. Not that swimming has anything to do with CONQUERING ORR.

The Charr tried it once, and it scared the weak and pathetic humans so much they sank the island rather than submit. If the humans can’t/won’t take back Orr, then the Charr have the right, duty, and destiny to do so. Swimming doesn’t even factor in.

BuddhaKeks.4857:

Orr is as much human ancestral land as ascalon is Charr ancestral land. Even more so in fact. As I already explained countless times in this thread

And this is why you’re falling on deaf ears: Which humans? Orrians are dead. Krytans have no claim on Orr. Canthan either. Elonans? Nope. Nada.

See, you just don’t get it. The problem you’re missing is that GW2 treats races properly. Not as one mindless faction, but as separate nations. You can’t say that Orr belongs to the Humans because there are more than one human nations on Tyria. This is why your arguments always fail.

The Charr are made up of three Legions, but they cooperate amongst themselves. They may bicker internally, but they fight as one front. This, too, is a realistic mimicry of the real world. And it is because of this cooperation that makes the Charr the most likely to lay claim to Orr.

Until you formulate an argument that addresses WHICH human nation is suited to defeat a Charr claim, you won’t win any of the arguments. And don’t try the war card. It’s been tried, and it isn’t holding water. No one wants to start a war with the Charr War Machine. The humans have just brokered peace with them. They know that no one wins in a war with a culture that refuses to back down. The Charr will burn the world to the ground if they have to. Everyone knows it, except those who keep saying that anyone but humans will cause a war to break out.

Narcemus.1348:

As to Charr just trudging their war machines over to Orr and claiming it, I think it equally as unlikely. They seem to be made for a very specific land type. Once they are brought through the Crystal Desert or Shiverpeak mountains they will be near worthless, as is seen in certain missions within Orr.

Did you forget about the Asuran Gates? They don’t have to go through any territories. There are Asuran Gates in Orr already. Back alley deals can be made to use the gates fairly easily. More over, Orr itself is changing, as has been also pointed out, which means that the war machines will work much better than they did on the decaying lands.

There is a larger problem here that everyone typically ignores, including ANet: Why are we using GW2LFG.com? Why are we going to an external non-ANet, non-NCSoft site to find groups for the dungeons instead of using an interface built into the game?

Someone is missing out on something here, and it’s all on the dev’s side. This whole concept of using an external site screams that someone is asleep at the wheel. There’s demand for an LFG tool in-game, so why would anyone say that we’ll never get one. There’s a demand, they know there’s a demand, and yet they won’t fill it? “Oh, no. Someone else is already doing our jobs better. Why would we ever care?”

Dropping the ball here, ANet.

Eddie Royale.9605:

The chainmail bikini was only an exaggerated example seeing how it’s a common “Women’s” armor choice in most games, and I admit that it was a bad choice of an example. My bad. I feel as though I’m doing a horrible job of explaining what I mean, so sorry about that.

The problem with “feminine” armor for Charr is cultural. What is “feminine” to Charr? They don’t strike me as a race that sees any value whatsoever in “dainty”. Strength, prowess, and power mean things to them. How do you make that “feminine”?

The “Chainmail Bikini” is appropriate to the discussion, though, because it exemplifies everything wrong with how we treat women and the female image in general. It also exemplifies what is wrong with the concept of feminine armor for Charr. The “chainmail bikini” is not practical, not protective, and not attractive. Charr would seek to minimize their exposure, both visually and defensively. Skimpy clothing, low cut necklines, silky veils… None of these things say dominant military. I can’t see any Charr reaction to them except negative. And that’s the problem with trying to push our concepts of sexy on another culture, even a fictional one, where the basic premises are at odds with our own preconceptions. Not only will they look wrong on a Charr, but they will feel wrong.

I might go so far as to call them game breaking, because just seeing one would destroy any sense of immersion in the game world. Yes, we accept the “fun” things in the game because they’re fun and it is a game, but when you design things for the world that are supposed to be a part of it, and they aren’t, it causes a disjunction in perception. It throws you out of your game state and makes it hard to get back into it.

BrunoBRS.5178:

channeling magic is not consuming it.
it’s the difference between firing a squirt gun and drinking the water inside it.

You would probably be dismayed to learn that there isn’t a difference there, either. Drinking the water doesn’t change it. What you take in is excreted back out, pretty much in the same form it was in when you drank it. Water is a nutritional catalyst, which, like any catalyst, doesn’t change when used and is not used up itself.

Yes, that’s why you can process urine to reclaim the water in it, and it’s safe, sterile, and healthy to drink.

That was probably TMI for most of you, but meh.

A better analogy for the way dragons seem to work is a capacitor operating in reverse. When they sleep, they discharge back into the system, releasing the energy they gathered while actively charging, and when they get too low (ie, when there is more magic in the world than in them) they wake up and begin feeding (charging up). A normal capacitor charges up while it’s resting, only to discharge when activated.

Channeling magic is just creating a new circuit between the source of magic and the magical ground. I was going to go on about that, but then I realized I was getting deep into some theories that the game just can’t get into, so I decided it best to just stop.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Grimno.6172:

Weir.5691:

All will serve the asura, in due time. When that time comes, we’ll see who laughs last.

How’s the war to retake your underground home going?

We do not fight wars, we let the lower races fight it for us. And they are slow as molasses

Indeed. Perhaps some sort of quickening draught to increase alacrity. I really doubt that they are competent enough to actually PILOT a golem, even if we were so inclined to make one large enough for them to get in. What a large and unwieldy thing that would be. I think it would be so slow as to actually induce drag on their already lackluster sloth.

PlayerX.5307:

I am sure they will fix it in time. They have so much more on their plate than Charrs clipping problems.

They’ve stated that, at this time, the Charr armor issues aren’t even on the plate. They’re sitting back on the buffet in a small chaffing dish behind the kippered herring.

Dustfinger.9510:

Beng cat-like doesn’t have to have to mean that charr evolved from any type of cat at all. It just means that what they did evolve from (if anything) took the niche that cats tend to take in RL. e.g.: The Fossa of Madagascar is related to the mongoose but has taken the niche that cats tend to take everywhere else.

Every predator in the world is morphologically divided into one of three branches: Feliform, Caniform and Primate. Genetically they are all of disparate species, but they zoologists group them on branches according to the somewhat outdated notions of morphology. This descended from the notion during the early years of genetics that creatures with similar physical characteristics must have similar genetic ones creating those characteristics. We now know that isn’t the case, and wildly divergent species can have similar physical characteristics based off very different genetic profiles.

For instance, Hyenas are caniform predators, originally believed to be related to the wild dogs of Africa, and yet we know now that they share many more genetic traits in common with felines than canines. Still, the canine muzzle, the general body shape, and the pack structural behavior all lead scientists to believe this was a canine.

Generally speaking, the feliforms contain mustelids (weasels, ferrets, badgers, otters and stoats), mephids (skunks), mongooses (no, the plural is not mongeese), as well as a smattering of others, in addition to felines.

Caniform predators include bears, procyonids (raccoons), and dogs, primarily, with only a handful of other families that are constantly being reshuffled as we learn more about their genetics.

Primates, of course, include the great apes, chimps, lemurs and humans.

Also, I said predators, not carnivores. I realize most of the species I talked about aren’t strictly carnivorous. But they are all predatory. They hunt.

So where are the Charr? Feliform, certainly. But where do they exist on a genetic bias? That is neither known, nor knowable, as it is outside the scope of the game, and therefore never likely to be commented on officially.

Oh, and this wasn’t a disagreement with Dustfinger, but and expounding on his point.

Brutalistik.6473:

I think you need to think outside the box for a bit. I’m not wrong nor completely off-base. You could say you just disagree with my idea which would of been more appropriate to say than what you just said. What I don’t understand or whats in your mind is how are you viewing this scenario about the change in female charr armor sets. I mean like what comes to mind when I am talking about these stuff?

Yes, wrong is the wrong word, but I am the one thinking outside the box, or, rather, I’m the one agreeing with ANet thinking outside the box. Every other game makes females of a given race different from the males, and, the same as one another. They all have human breasts, human hips, human hair, and they all look like humans in funny suits. I’ve grown very tired of it.

Neither Asura nor Charr females have human-like breasts. Asura females have better hips than males, but they aren’t exaggerated. I applaud ANet for taking the risk on creating the Charr and Asura and making them different from humans.

The Sylvari are human-like Barbies. Females have fictional breasts, males are like Ken dolls. Generic, inside the box, but at least they have a lore-based reason to be pseudo-asexual.

Norn are just big muscular humans. Inside the box thinking at it’s worst.

So I prefer the Charr and Asura, and the Char in particular. If I wasn’t so invested, time-wise in my Norn, Human and Sylvari characters, I would re-roll all of them as Charr. And I want to experience their racial stories.

But as for the armor, I have issues with the armor for Charr that have nothing to do with sexual dimorphism. On that front, they are perfectly suited, and their suits are perfect. I agree to disagree with you.

Let’s forget about this lore cultural nonsense for a bit and think about the video game itself. Do you think GW2 would keep everything the same within the next 5 years with female charrs / asura having the same armor sets as the males?

You’re not a GW1 player, are you?

Trust me my discussion will be brought up numerous of times by others if nothing had change by then. This could be the exact reason why not many players play the charr race nor the asura a lot. Majority of the people wouldn’t care about the lore anyway because what they want is diverse and visualization.

Sadly, for your argument, these are the exact reasons I like playing the Charr and Asura. Saying I would quit playing if they changed them to make them less different from other races holds no weight, since there’s no subscription to actually cancel, but symbolically, I would prefer not to quit playing if they did something as stupid as make the Charr females look more human-like. It would lose a lot of the flavor and uniqueness that is part of the attraction to play GW2, even if every race isn’t for everyone.

To put this on the other foot, how about they change the Norn, Sylvari and Humans to be less human-like because too many people are playing them? Sounds like a ridiculous argument, doesn’t it? It’s actually similar to what you’re proposing, and it will kitten off players who play the Asura and Charr for their unique flavor.

I want to punch that bard. At least the bard got rousted, too. Poor Hobo-Tron.

And yet my Charr Engineer goes 1:1 with Norn all the time and destroys them without effort. It turns out that Norn burn just as well as every other race.

redslion.9675:

Drakkon.4782:

Is anyone reconsidering my plan to eliminate the bookah threat now? Yes? Good. Mother always said my ideas were ahead of their time. True genius is never respected in its time.

Well, you can’t conquer the norns. They live in cold places. You are cold blooded reptiles. You’d be wiped out by just walking into their territory.
Same with the steppes around the citadel: no sweat system means your organs will melt.XD
Differently from you, Charrs at least equip their machines with WEAPONS.XD
Not like your golems.

Poppykitten. There is no problem my brilliant Asuran mind can’t overcome. Cold is easily countered by the proper application of tightly controlled Thermodynamic Stress Vectors with an Transaetheric Modulation Calibrator. I should be able to fabricate the prototype by dinner.

As an added bonus, my wondrous device can also operate in reverse, allowing it to apply inverse stresses to overtaxed thermal systems, proving it to be an adequate heatsink.

You silly bookah couldn’t possibly understand the complex underlying principles of Dynamics that govern such a magnificent creation. Just stand there in silent admiration and remained stunned into silence. It makes targeting you for eradication so much simpler.

Now then… Stand still while my Golem’s non-existent weapon systems lock on and obliterate your tiny uncomprehending mind…

I’m reminded of the old Sonic the Hedgehog cartoon (the good one, not the one that needed eye bleach). It had a lot of potential with the dichotomy of Robotnik and Snivly. Robotnik was the big face of evil, while all the time in the background, Snivly was the one making things happen. Robotnik was a genius, for certain, but he was only the overblown face of the organization. The last episode of the series revealed that Snivly was really the one pulling the strings, calling the shots, and making things happen. Without him, Robotnik was just a fat man with a bad attitude who got lucky once.

So I would like to see something like that. A villain who is just the face, but who everyone believes is the one who is calling the shots. S/He may even believe s/he is in control. But behind the scenes, his/her right hand wo/man is really the one who has the connections, the insight, and the capacity to make the schemes work, lay the traps, and overall get things done. The overshadowing may be intentional as the “lackey” bides his/her time, waiting for the right moment to strike and bring everything crashing down. Until then, s/he plays the role of servant, not doing anything to remove him/herself from the situation so that s/he has access to all that power.

We keep defeating the face, but s/he keeps coming back with new schemes. This isn’t the same as Scarlet, because the face is imminently fallible. S/He’s hardly a master of all talents. In fact, s/he’s probably only specialized in one talent, two at the most. Focused, so to speak. There’s a madness driving this villain. This madness is fed by the “lackey”, who strokes the villain’s ego to keep them focused on the mission at hand and attention diverted away from the lackey’s own plans. We, as players, may learn something about the lackey, and even suspect s/he may be behind some of the mayhem, but we’ll always be directed back at the main villain, the face, as the one to blame for the overall carnage.

That sort of villain pairing is what works for long-term interaction. If we are to get a decent villain for the Living Story, it needs to be someone less Mega Sue.

Leo G.4501:

Technically, you’re false. “Balls of your feet” is just an idiom. There is no actual anatomic structure call ‘ball’. If we’re getting technical, they are metatarsus joints but if we’re using layman’s terms to describe it, I don’t see much difference in calling it ‘balls of the feet’ and ‘toes’ in that respect.

FALSE!

After a little research, you are incorrect. The ball of the foot is the point on the bottom of your foot (the part that corresponds to the palm, not the fingers) where, if you place your weight forward of it, you are putting your weight on your toes, and if you put your weight behind it, you’re putting pressure on your heel. Literally put, it is the balance point for the foot, but does not, specifically, define standing on one’s toes. It is typically characterized by the large round muscular mass behind the big toe, from which it draws it’s name. In felines, this area is specifically the pad of the foot. This is where the weight of the cat rests, and not on the toes. Toes are for balance, quick changes in direction, and for getting a better grip on a surface. They are not, even in felines, load bearing.

They are NOT standing on their toes.

inazuma.7021:

If it means more Tara Strong voice work, I welcome Scarlet’s return!

Dammit, I didn’t want to remember that this kitten Mary Sue is also Twilight Sparkle.

Typical. Only a bookah would question why anyone would wish to be an Asura. Who wouldn’t want to be a genius? Don’t bother answering. The answer is “no one”, obviously. That’s what’s known as a rhetorical question. You don’t answer them, only think on them for a time. I can understand why you would confused. Thinking probably isn’t something you’ve done before. Maybe you’d be happier attacking something, hmm? Well, I can certainly point out some Grawl or maybe an Inquest base. Yes, that would probably suit your… talents… better.

Getefix.9150:

logan shall be friendzoned.. and i shall laugh

He already has been. Logan isn’t a Human. He’s an oversized puppy dog. Jennah treats him like a cherished pet, not a lover or potential husband. He’s the biggest sword-wielding puppy in the game, and that includes the Wolfborn Norn.

Law of Unintended Consequences: When they put that in to stop people from doing just that, they gave them a new reason to do exactly that. LOL! Good job, ANet.

I want to reskin my turrets with Asuran Megalaser skins.

So, in running events in the Pavilion, a funny thing happened while fighting Pyroxis:

Mirasight: this boss has to many hit points
Palak Warmaster (me): That’s because this boss is Legen… wait for it… dary.
Mirasight: compared to other bosses of his type hes got 3x the hp
Knight of Sterling: that would have been funnier if it’d been a cow
Aisha Shadowwalker: i see what you did there
Palak Warmaster: Legen… dairy?
Mirasight: xD
Nikki Lorian: ^I love you
Aura Dagion: How I met your mother. :P
Palak Warmaster: A Charr’s Cow. Legion… Dairy.
Nikki Lorian: XD
Knight of Sterling: oh that’s even better

So what funny things happen on your servers in the Pavilion?

If it was 30 minutes, you would have a point. Sadly, you didn’t read what I said. I said it was immediately. Within moments of the event notice going up. Instant overflow, instant over overflow, and no event. That’s not right.

The weight of the cat is still behind the toes, not on them. All that weight rests on the pad, not the toe tips. You’re still failing to make your point, here. All your evidence supports my statements.

A Trample of Karka

Crossaber.8934:

I really want to play a Charr, but i’ve failed multiple times already, every Charr character i made can’t get pass lv4….
My issue is not with the armor clipping issue yet… its the running animation, i hate being the only Charr that run around with 4 legs “slowly” when every npc is running in 2 legs….

Run with a weapon drawn, or using a kit as an Engineer. They run upright all the time that way.

Also i hate the body type, why don’t we got a more humanoid body shape like GW1 Charr?

Why should they? They aren’t humans in furry suits. They’re Charr, a unique blend of animal traits in a vaguely humanoid body. Posture is the least concern of all concerns about them.

So i guess the armor issue will eventually bugged me out later as well….

Hasn’t bugged me much so far. I’m too busy burning things to the ground with my Flamegineer.

urzen.7096:

This. Timers are not fun. Only death should be the end. We should be able to keep fighting Tequila until we are all dead, give up, or rally for the win.

The only timer should be a 15/10/5/whatever minute timer on no one attacking Teq. If he isn’t attacked for 15/10/5/whatever minutes, then he should despawn. Otherwise, he should be up until he’s killed.

Tom Gore.4035:

Could you ever forgive her (either because her Villain Sueism or her ingame deeds) to confront the Elder Dragons with?

No. Not only can I not forgive her, I cannot forgive the devs for developing (if you can call it that) such a horrible character. She’s a pathetic psychopathic sociopath. There are no redeeming qualities to her, socially or otherwise. She’s a complete Mary Sue “mastermind” willing to slaughter her allies and enemies, claiming to have a plan and a desire not to be a puppet to external forces, and yet it is so completely clear that she isn’t the actual brains at the top that if she was any more stubborn about it, they should have just painted on her chest “I’M A DIVERSION FROM THE REAL VILLAIN!” If she NEVER makes an appearance in GW2 again, I’ll be happy, but given how my life works, I doubt I could be so lucky. She’s revolting. The person who submitted her as part of the Living Story should be fired. The person who APPROVED her should be shot.

The OP. He laughs at anything, including his own jokes, which is a shame, because they aren’t funny.

Anymras.5729:

The moderation seems, at times, rather…well, spotty.
I’ve seen posts removed from General Discussion, then placed into Engineer when they were successfully appealed, I’ve seen posts no different from many on the Engineer boards moved to the Suggestions forum for no reason at all.
Recently, they even deleted my player-reference thread about Turret Bugs from the Engineer forum because I said I was considering uninstalling the game – apparently, this was grounds for claiming that the thread was created solely for the sake of complaining months after it had been created.
I appealed that, and was successful, but I’ve yet to see my thread restored.
Maybe they just lack oversight to make sure what they’re doing is what they should be doing. It certainly sounds like that’s what’s involved here.

Exactly. I don’t have any faith in the appeal process. ANet doesn’t have a consistent policy in place for dealing with negative feedback. Some mods delete threads, saying they don’t mind negative feedback, but the thread was too hostile, even when it wasn’t, and some don’t even bother giving a reason, the thread just disappears. But in every instance I’ve seen, the thread disappears. I think this one is due for it, too. Which is sad, because it means another thread about how broken the Engineers are as a class, specifically in their core mechanic – Turrets, is going to disappear as if everything is fine.

Turrets are useless. The main method of employment is to drop, overcharge and blow. They don’t stay down, they don’t have sustained DPS because of their pathetic health levels, and they get no love. Even Overcharge is broken, because if you don’t use it at the right time in the animation cycle, the turret stops working altogether. The state of turrets, since they are a big part of my engineer’s play style, makes me cry. I quit playing him for all but the content where I MUST HAVE an 80. There is a preponderance of evidence about these issues.

But we don’t get any attention. And that’s sad. A little justified irritation should be fine, but it will probably get this thread deleted, like all the others. In a way, I can’t blame the devs from not knowing about the issues, because the forum mods are probably not telling them about the threads they delete before anyone can notice bad press.

naphack.9346:

dunnberry.2964:

if you are referring to sorrows embrace that is the vile inquest which is akin to comparing every charr to those bloody fire legion(that’s what their called right? They all seem the same)

What’s wrong with that?
Charr is Charr. All of them are primitive savages.
And they are annoyingly noisy…

Flame Legion is the correct term, and no, Charr is not Charr. While our current specimen is a fascinating example of the the more brutish and less interesting variant among their kind, I have encountered Charr who are smart enough to assist my krewe with our research, and even actively participate in new avenues of experimentation. He is rather pleasant. And not terribly loud. Plus, I do like the way he has no problem being a meat shield. Something about Iron doesn’t bleed. They’re so cute when they’re being prideful.

Jordo.5913:

Change it to “grants 20 levels of experience”!

I have all my chr slots maxed with characters all around the lvl 50 range….with 3 80’s….so the scroll of experience is worthless to me

this way people who are trying a new class in a spare chr slot can get to 20 instantly or faithful players can get a 50 alt to 80 faster

Good idea, but I have a better one, that is also just as easy to program: “Grants the XP equivalent required to go from 1 to 20”. Now no one feels like they’re getting too much XP, leveling too fast, etc, and those with 80s can get bonus skillpoints from a few extra levelups (need those for making the high end stuff, I hear).

Weindrasi.3805:

To the person who stated that female players want their character to look feminine, unless you send out a survey to all the female players who have a female charr, you can’t determine that.

Several people have already pointed that out to him. Obvious hyperbole was obvious. I have a female Charr character myself and I do -NOT- want her to look feminine. It ruins the mod of the Charr.

There’s a great scene in the Serrated Blade where a drunk patron hits on a female Charr, then mockingly says “Oh, kitten’s got claws,” when she rebuffs his advances. Her reply is so sweet: “Kitten’s got a sword, too. Now, back off.”

I can’t see that kind of behavior coming form someone in a frilly dress or wearing boob plate.

I have four female charr. I don’t want them to look human-female feminine at all. Rather, I want them to look like huge, muscular, eat-your-face-off beasts. It wouldn’t make sense to choose a cat-monster-from-hell race if you wanted a human-female-pretty character. While my charr are vicious, they also feel very much like females to me. If they were forced to wear “girl clothes”, they would actually feel less female to me. They’d stop being females, and start being cats in silly dress-up-clothing. I relate to them much better when there’s nothing to show their gender except biology.

Yep. I agree.

MastaNeenja.1537:

The only interaction I would like to see between these two involves the Mad King, his favorite choice of salad dressing, and Sporkcalibur.

I fully endorse and support this option. Make it happen, ANet. Scarlet needs to go.

Surbrus.6942:

If some issues get resolved, like the Ascalonion ghost issue, Kralkatorrik, and a Khan Ur unites the legions, then nothing can hope to stand against the military might of the Charr. That said, those are some pretty major issues… but if they are resolved, any other minor issues like Ebonhawk or Ogres would be nothing more than a memory.

Ebonhawke is a memory. That’s the point of the Peace Treaty. It’s between the Charr Legions and Ebonhawke. Now both sides can destroy the Separatists who are making life bothersome for each.

The Brand will be taken care of in some part of the future Living Story or an expansion, perhaps. We can certainly hope so. It is an Elder Dragon, after all, and that needs fixing. Right now, it only requires a garrisoning force to contain the problem, since, until the source of the infection is dealt with, the problem will persist.

The ghosts will never be handled until someone comes up with a way to destroy the curse that Adlebrain cast on his people, kitten ing them to unlife. The rest are minor annoyances and worthy only of cursory security forces, which are the PCs.

All in all, I see the Charr as being in the superior position, were a single race to claim Orr, of doing it. I decided to bring the discussion over here because my interest in it is largely Charr-specific, and the thread on the Lore board is continually degenerating into preschool name calling.