Guild Wars 2

Update: Found the problem. The ring had to be removed from my slot and placed in my bag to get it to slot correctly. When the ring was equipped it would not allow me to socket the infusion.

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Lokheit.7943:

You really can’t compare both

But you can compare them. Seeing how popular the SAB was, I think you should compare them, because Crab Toss (imho) could have been a lot more successful if it had used some of the SAB principles.

SAB:

• Difficulty modes, players could progress at their own pace
• Varied achievements, something for everyone
• Play with/against friends – friendly and fun environment
• Guaranteed special rewards, plus chance for weapon skins
• Very popular

Crab Toss:

• Steep learning curve, high potential for frustration
• Few achievements, catering mostly to players who succeed at Crab Toss already
• Play with/against strangers – risk for hostile environment
• Guaranteed ordinary rewards
• Only half as popular as it could have been

My conclusion: with some minor adjustments, Crab Toss could have been a lot better, or at least a lot less of a source of frustration to half the GW2 population:

• Difficulty modes for learning to play(number of players, or karkas on/off mode)
• More varied achievements (denying, evading, use of tools…)
• Option to play with friends to avoid risk of hostilities
• Tokens and/or chance for sklerite skins, or other exclusive rewards

The last point is obviously inspired by wishful thinking, but even without it, Crab Toss would have been so much better. Exclusive rewards makes people suffer through more frustration, but they don’t alleviate the frustration, which should be the primary goal.

A longer, more thought out version of this ^ is here: What we can learn from Crab Toss – and I would love some more feedback on this, so anybody heading over to that thread and and sharing their thoughts is my hero.

When SAB ended I was like: oh, too bad it ended, that was fun, can’t wait to see more of it. But crab tossing… when I got my last achievement I was like “thank god I dont need to play this ever again”. It was the worst and most annoying minigame I’ve seen in a MMO.

It could be named crap tossing. The minigame sucks and the rewards suck even more.

EoNxBoNx.9213:

I guess instead of crying about solo queue you could find people to play with. Nah why do that, go through that hassle of having to talk to other people on a voip, to difficult.

yea cuz no other competitive pvp games have solo queue LOLLLLLLLL

EoNxBoNx.9213:

I guess instead of crying about solo queue you could find people to play with. Nah why do that, go through that hassle of having to talk to other people on a voip, to difficult.

You miss the point.

What you don’t like 5v4 and getting teamed vs premades with rank 1s on your team? 4k views on twitch brah!

missed most of it but from what i saw it wasnt anything new, and warriors never had a problem in pve to begin with… now if he magically made a spvp build that was worth a kitten i might be interested…

We still need laurels? This sucks. I hate to do these boring dailies for ascended.

JonathanSharp.7094:

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So you know (history lesson incoming): There was a time in balance when Necromancers were the apex class for mulitple specs in the game. They were the best tanks (death shroud building + wells giving protection, while also wiping condies), had some of the best mobility (their old Death Shround #2 was a ground targeted teleport!) and they had insane damage/boon ripping with Axe-based bunker killing hybrid builds.
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And as always, we don’t want to do crazy increases followed by large decreases. We are employing metered changes as opposed to a ‘whack-a-mole’ approach.

Sorry for no response until now, been out of the office a few weeks to see family.

-Chap

Mr. Sharp,

Thank you for taking the time to address this thread that other staff have seen and ignored up to this point. I really do appreciate the effort that you personally make to be in the communication loop with the community.

With that said…

If there was EVER a time that Necromancer was the apex class in Conquest, then it had to have been in closed testing that I never saw. During the open Betas I was there and saw when Necromancer was strong before it got nerfed into the dirt. It was good, but still not in a state that I would describe as “Apex” by any stretch of the imagination. I hope you were not referring to the open beta-nerf time frame of Necromancer, because the changes that were made to the game after that were exactly the types of changes that I assume you would like to avoid. What remains to be said is that after that point in time Necromacer was NEVER particularly strong, but was acceptable because they had unrivalled boon stripping (which is no longer the case and why they are arguably Warrior Tier or worse at this point).

Tweaks need to be made to necro in at least 2 of the 3 below to make them viable again.
1) DPS – Shroud 5 getting another DoT will help the lack of condition diversity that necro’s currently suffer for, but it can’t just be on shroud 5 with a long cd. You have to find another place to stick it too. Alternatively, you could buff some of the weapon skill base damages and stop pretending that it would be OP because of minions. A single weapon that has any kind of burst potential wouldn’t be a bad thing.

2) Sustainability – Every class in this game has better damage mitigation and sustainability than necro by a mile, and Death Shroud is an absolutely miserable compensation for that, the amount of boons, blocks, evades, endurance boosting traits, etc. that every other class has more than make up for their lack of an extra HP bar. I don’t ever want to hear “but you have Death Shroud” again. This simply is not good enough and everyone that has played the game knows it. If you are going to leave Necromacer defenseless in terms of blocks, evades, invulns, etc. then Life force generation needs a huge boost.

3) Mobility – C’mon man. Necro’s move like old people … well, ya know.

Oh so because Necros were extremely powerful before release we can now be left below the power curve?
That balances it out?
Because really, that’s what the first post reads like.

I may sound very frustrated, that’s because I am, since Necros have been complaining about mobility/survival since release without any address, apparently because a version that was seen by a small minority months before release was very powerful.

The Necro forums has been filled to the brim with every kind of imaginable balance fix for the profession. Really just read the topics and pick what you don’t feel would be too OP, it’s almost all better than the current package.

We’ve posted threads with systematic analyzes about trait/skill/utility distributions and how everything is a mess.

Did you know we have 9 traits dedicated to minions, 2 of which are minors?
Only 1 trait for corruption skills which is -20% cd?
No traits that work on underwater weapons?

emon.1863:

This month patch will be bug fixing ?!
I am out then

that typically translates to 90% water ability fixes

JonathanSharp.7094:

Hey all! Just wanted to say thanks for keeping this thread so positive and constructive. The balance guys and I are watching this thread, and we’ve really enjoyed some of the ideas you guys are putting out.

So you know (history lesson incoming): There was a time in balance when Necromancers were the apex class for mulitple specs in the game. They were the best tanks (death shroud building + wells giving protection, while also wiping condies), had some of the best mobility (their old Death Shround #2 was a ground targeted teleport!) and they had insane damage/boon ripping with Axe-based bunker killing hybrid builds.

So while we do want to help the Necro to see more play in competitive builds (both in variety of roles and variety of builds), we are being very careful not to give them too much. We will be adjusting them just like all the other classes, and I just wanted to let you guys know we ARE watching threads like this.

The same can be said for Warriors in TPvP, non shortbow-based Thieves, different specs for Engi that are weak, etc. etc. We want all classes to have multiple options, so that’s what we’ll be looking for in upcoming balance changes. This will happen through number adjustments (the multipliers on specific skills), through skill “toolbox” adjustments (like we did with S/D Thief removing boons) and through trait adjustments (Warrior changes to counter condies + boons).

And as always, we don’t want to do crazy increases followed by large decreases. We are employing metered changes as opposed to a ‘whack-a-mole’ approach.

Sorry for no response until now, been out of the office a few weeks to see family.

-Chap

thats great and all except you have been saying since release and yet still most classes only have 1 or 2 viable specs for pvp and a bloat of traits that are worthless for both pvp and pve

i mean for necro as is, minion AI is still terrible, axe still sucks, lifesteal builds still suck. what has change since they were the apex? nothing.

JonathanSharp.7094:

So while we do want to help the Necro to see more play in competitive builds (both in variety of roles and variety of builds), we are being very careful not to give them too much.

JonathanSharp.7094:

This month will be focused on bug fixes, with balance coming in later patches!

You overnerfed the necro and we have to wait almost a year for a balance. You are afraid of giving necros too much and we got stuck with several awful traits and mechanics… it seems unfair to me.

we need the same atenttion rangers and engis got when they begged for a helping hand.

please listen all the suggestions on the necro forum and take note on all bugs we have had since launch.

As a pervert, I approve of this thread!

gam·ble (gmbl)
v. gam·bled, gam·bling, gam·bles
v.intr.
1.
a. To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest.
b. To play a game of chance for stakes.
2. To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit.
3. To engage in reckless or hazardous behavior: You are gambling with your health by continuing to smoke.
v.tr.
1. To put up as a stake in gambling; wager.
2. To expose to hazard; risk: gambled their lives in a dangerous rescue mission.
n.
1. A bet, wager, or other gambling venture.
2. An act or undertaking of uncertain outcome; a risk: I took a gamble that stock prices would rise.

I’d say the first definition fits perfectly. Next white knight, please.

Gambling is the wagering of money or something of material value on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods. Gambling thus requires three elements be present: consideration, chance and prize.

i’d say it is safe to assume that 99.9% of the reason they are buying them is because they want the weapon skins…that does have a chance of not showing up, so for the weapon skin…it is gambling

Consideration: You have the choice of choosing to buy chests, or not to buy them.
Chance: It is not 100% that you will get a weapon skin
Reward: Weapon Skin

it is indeed gambling, only for the weapon skin however

hahahahaha, they are useless for that.

Testing testing testing….. I hear it does good things in the software business.