Guild Wars 2

Although, if the pendulum swung from one side to another once, it can swing back.
Wouldn’t a real hero try to save rather than purge?

Despite having all GW1 chapters, I kept myself out of the War in Kryta, because unlike with following the Flameseeker Prophecy, it is bloodshed for regime change, rather than saving victims from it. virus has a point, in that the faction of the Krytan Monarchy was not above saccrificing civilians, albeit in a passive way. That they also espouse colorism and aspire the colonisation of Elona after having reduced Ebonhawke to a vassal county, makes Divinity’s Reich villains in my book too. Let’s not forget that they also besieged Lion’s Arch in an attempt to forcefully reannex it, only to be dissuaded by Zhaitan’s rise within the Bay of Sirens.

Humans IRL were once all African and in the Guild Wars lore, all non-Elonians (Africans) were once Canthans(Asians) . If norn should be restricted to Nordic and Pacific ethnicity, then should you likewise not demand that humans be restricted to African and Asian ethnicity?

And by what measure are norn not just the biggest variant of humans? I don’t know if others noticed, but for some reason you can make African heads with norn, unlike with humans.

Perhaps the question whether Native Americans are ‘missing’ deserves a thread of its own then?

And yes, Elona relied on some imagery from Asia (Middle East or India is disputed), but mainly from Africa. Yet GW2 is remarkably devoid of African features, despite allusions to Elonian presence.

I’m quite curious where you’ve seen Elonians based on Africa rather than Asia? Heck, there is not even afro-textured hair for women or African faces for men. Furtherore, male East-Asian faces are only are available upon each spending of a Total Makeover Kit. And given that HoT is taking place where GW Utopia would have taken place, Native American appearances have been lacking from the franchise altogether, despite concept art thereof.

There is definitely more to be expected than this.

Included or excluded?

With no more than a month left to decide whether or not to Pre-Purchase Guild Wars Heart of Thorns, the revealed contents could use supplementary convincing. Previously, Arenanet releases within the €50 (£35/$50) price range had always included novel appearances for character creation on top of everything else. Now be it that a need for a wider diversity in appearance has been brought up repeatedly during the 3 years since the initial release of Guild Wars 2, especially regarding human diversity which has all women straight-haired and all men Eurasian-faced. Will we learn in time, whether a non-Eurasian addition to appearances was secretly planned for inclusion with the expansion and therefore specifically omitted from Gem Store sales?
That aside, the question that mostly begs on behalf of anyone rolling new characters:

are there any options to appearance creation that would be missed out on, if buying HoT long after starting new games or if not at all?

So much profanity with the k-word in it … see the column on the right.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

A few points on anti-griefing measures for guild claiming:

• Guilds without Guild Halls will not be able to claim objectives.

Hat off to the troll: the first “anti-griefing” measure “for” guild claiming consists of griefing guild claiming for Core Guild Wars 2 Accounts. You win! And we lose, of course.

Pink Ninja Man.4375:

Last I checked you don’t have to buy the expansion to join a guild. You can join a guild that has a member that purchased HoT and still be able to use this feature. This is in place to prevent F2P accounts form making their own guild to troll and claim objectives to use un-ideal upgrades.

No, this is in place to degrade Core Guild Wars 2 Accounts closer to the value of Free Accounts and conversely inflate the worth of Heart of Thorns Accounts. Otherwise they’d lock objective claiming for Free Accounts only, the way they differentiate them from paid accounts with map chat and trade by mail.

dancingmonkey.4902:

All I get from this is that you want all the benefits of HoT, but you don’t want to buy HoT. Tough luck. I am sure there are plenty of absolutely free MMOs with great WvW or RvR style content you can go enjoy. Good luck.

I for one already bought this gameplay feature with my Core Guild Wars 2 Account. I don’t want to buy HoT for what it currently offers. Therefore, lest I have Objective Claiming confiscated from my guild features, I should pay twice for it? What’s next???

… because she probably is a woman from the 60~70s too.

But not in Guild Wars 2, she could,
where a man’s fro is that of women bereft of theirs.

Please,
fix human afros!

They should include “ethnic” hairstyles for character creation in the expansion purchase and not make us pay gems for every character that needs to have a natural non-Eurasian scalp, because ethnicity is no more a “cosmetic” choice than gender.

In giving you freedom to remake the ethnicity you feel comfortable with, Arenanet could have gone to various lengths in diversifying women’s scalps; from lesser to greater, these could have included:
• non-ethnic options (bald* or do-rag accessory replacing hair entirely)
• non-exclusive ethnic options (cornrows, twists, braided locks, buns)
• natural ethnic options (afro, natural dreads, curly ponytail).

Guilds Wars 2 however includes not even the least of these non-Eurasian options for women — so far.

*Female baldness used to be an iconic presence in Guild Wars (1), for monk PCs, but also a few NPCs;

Crise.9401:

Kormir, of course… there is a legend and a god in one what more could one ask for :P

Now of course it would likely have to be an echo of Kormir pre-ascension into godhood but who cares about those minor details.

Or a Seer of Truth, similar in shape including her legendary afro.

The summoning, however, of a whitewashed phantasm of Kormir with relaxed hair would make the profession just as detestable as Ascalonized/New Kryta’s ‘White Kormir’ statues. >:-(

It seems more a problem the less they are humanoid. Although the Largos have those “butterfly fins” on their backs, which leave no rooms for backpacks. Tengu however would be the obvious guess.

But, the thing that’s truly still missing, is THE Black race
- i.e., not your chosen color code for ‘always chaotic evil’, but an Afrocentric people in addition to the present Eurocentric and Asiacentric ones (norn, humans and sylvari). Heck, there’s even 2 furry races already!

One more thing:
the Great Tsunami wouldn’t be a senseful explanation for why Brown Krytans became rare in Kryta and failed to remain the main contributor to human populations surviving in the Maguuma regions, for that one too would require a selective kind of divine intervention, sparing the Ascalonians while wiping out the Krytan hilltop settlements south, west and north of them, coupled with a mysterious suppression of the Old Krytan population in the Maguuma regions.

Guild Wars has an awesome legacy of human diversity,
which is something not to be modest about!

I’m not arguing for there still being Druidic humans, but, like there also turned out to remain pacifist Maguuma centaurs, about things that could function again, one ought never say never. Also, to our previous knowledge, Krytan nobility was virtually inexistant and with no hint to descent from Doric, till Salma was unearthed.

Because Ascalonian waves of refugees alone can’t suffice for turning their host lands majoritarily White, especially since most of their countrymen didn’t reach Kryta and Old Krytans would have had to have zero population growth for ethnic Ascalonians to ever become a majority in Kryta, the convergence of noble returnees of Dorician blood in post-war Kryta has to have been a major contribution. But the simultaneous removal of exiled Krytan nobles from everywhere else should conversely have left the Maguuma regions no less concentrated in melanin.

One wouldn’t find one’s way there, unless, like Scarlet, one sought to go somewhere where most wouldn’t find their way to. The Maguuma Wastes don’t seem a place hospitable enough to attract scores of settlers who aren’t on the run from the Krytan authorities. A case could be made for Prosperity receiving gradual influx of Krytan outlaws, do to it being just outside of any government jurisdiction; but that shouldn’t make the mix there Ascalonian either, should it?

Also, even then, as one would move away from the Krytan border and into the Maguuma regions, the admixture of Ascalonians and the concentration of Dorician blood should quickly become unnoticeable once the rest of Tyria is beyond meaningful contact.

Real Life is really disturbing. That our range of possible choices are supposedly those of heroes, is mighty disturbing.

aerial.7021:

Which brings up a somewhat interesting question, if Tyria was the real world how would us as real humans deal with these problems?

If Glint’s crystals already are that coveted, think real world human potentates would invade the Crystal desert in order to try and harvest Kralkatorrik for the motherload of aspect crystals. Over these, a war with Palawa Joko would ensue and “Real Tyria” would call volunteers for “heroic intervention” aswell as back a malignant Ossan rebellion that adds a manyfold to the ghosts of the slain in the former Crystal Desert. “For Tyria!” of course.

Provided the still-human Druids have no relict offshoot, that would be.

Everyone,
the title does not say “White Mantle = Brown Man”! Evidently, the White Mantle in Kryta is New Krytan in its composition, because the local traitor is the most acclimated, knowledgeable and inconspicuous infiltrator. Even the local leadership would be determined by the local advantage over deracinated exiles. Yet, is there any indication that, prior to reinsertion, the White Mantle recruits from Kryta visit the Maguuman remnants of an “Old” Kryta that stretched South- and Westwards beyond the borders of present/“New” Kryta? If such is not the case, then shouldn’t mankind in the Maguuma regions have preserved the Old Krytan distribution of appearances?

Furthermore, the distinct architecture of Prosperity, isolated in the arid Maguuma Wastes, is all too evocative of Old Krytan architecture, dispossessed of thatched roofs. This too would suggest that the Ascalonian wave ran dry towards the Maguuma.

With still a small month remaining until the release of the next Living World chapter, I thought the timing right to voice concern about the geographical composition for the non-Zephyrite humans in the Maguuma region.

The first known humans to settle the Maguuma Jungle and the present Maguuma Wastes were of Old Krytan civilisation and whether they were turned into the Druid race or fought against them, “Old Krytans” remained the only humans to retain villages in the Maguuma. This folk was distinct from the “New Krytans”, as the former were a Brown people of Elonian and Orrian mixture, whereas the present Krytan demographic is remarkably European in its constitution.

Now, one can imagine that the ‘War in Kryta’, also described as a war of attrition between Mantle-loyalists and Krytan royalists did a great number on the native commoners in Kryta. Add to that the Ascalonian settlers who decided to make a stand and stay in Kryta, aswell as a Mediterranian White Orrian-descended nobility that might have flocked back from exile after the defeat of the White Mantle and it could then be explained why Brown Krytans became a minority in New Kryta.

However, it stands to reason then, that a concentration of Whiteness in Kryta goes together with its substraction from Krytan refuges beyond the Kingdom’s reach, which by contrast would retain the “Old” White Mantle’s demographical mix (i.e., all Brown, except for the odd White female).

With that in mind, I find it troubling that the first village beyond the reach of Krytan authority, the town of Prosperity in Dry Top, turned out to have a surprisingly Ascalonian human constituent (i.e., all White, except for the odd Brown female).

This is likely an oversight that could be corrected for settlements even more distant from Kryta (hence my bringing this to attention), because a very melanin-rich Mantle-led Kryta is reminisced in-game, through the Brown ghosts of pre-war Krytan Villagers, Less Longbow (original Shining Blade member from Guild Wars Prophecies) and antique White Mantle in Aurora’s Remains:

Substance E.4852:

Old books will also become account bound as far as I know.

They already are. But they wouldn’t do something like making the currently existing compendia unusable, when the new compendia will be sold by trainers, would they?

Mark Katzbach.9084:

At least one of your current characters needs to have consumed the commander book in order to unlock the account-wide feature.

Mr. Katzbach,

could you enlighten about what happens with a commander compendium bought before the upcoming update, but left unspent for reasons as not having settled on the choice character? Which feature will one of these “old books” unlock after 9/9?

Thank you.

Is that really what I said: “a specific way”? Does a limited range limit itself to one way?
That Black people are very diverse in appearance isn’t something you would hear me contest. Quite the contrary. It’s those who try to sell Human Character creation who seem to imply that Black facial structures are somewhere from representatively to entirely present in the overlap with big-chinned Caucasian faces.

Dustfinger.9510:

I see plenty of features that are not stricjly relegated to caucasians.

This kind of insensitivity,
I wouldn’t be surprised if it is shared with all whom is responsible for human appearances in Guild Wars 2:
one should just accept any Briton’s head that has a minimum of dark skin, big lips and a broad nose slapped on as Black?

The women don’t need to have one, sure. But show me a Black male face that’s convincing enough without the beard.

Natsu’s character looks like a polished stitchless version of Frankenstein’s monster: a bunch of human features that never occur together in real life. The color may be “black”, but the rest is a collage of Caucasian bodyparts. There’s no Black man that even remotely looks like that.

Alilinke’s character is so far the most convincing character of African descent I’ve seen – ever (better than the clones from Arenanet even), but he couldn’t get around the eyes lying deep in the sockets. African eyes pooch out, in case you haven’t noticed, and non-admixed eyebrows never are that pronounced either. If his character wasn’t clean bald, his hair line would have been too low. You know that complete baldness isn’t a natural trait for black men? Imagine if you could only make convincing White skinheads.

This is why I previously quoted your first sentence only: so far we’ve been shown that we can’t yet make believably Black men,
• because they have to be Black-White / White-Black mixed instead of actual Black
• because they all converge towards one same face.

You don’t need to tell me White people can look different aswell; The matter of fact is that you already start out with 10 Caucasian options and 0 African ones when it comes to male faces.

Dustfinger.9510:

I think Natsu Dragneel and Alilinke did a pretty good job of showing us that we can make them.

Did you observe as much as you envision?
Natsu’s didn’t even look enough like a human could, let alone a Black one, and Alilinke’s made it across the uncanny valley by forcibly mixing in considerable European ancestry.
Not only can we not make a full-blooded Black guy, but the more realistic the results, the more they tend to all look alike. Not that there is much avoiding it, for every man has to go with lengthy Caucasian eyebrows and a straight nose and has to pull the very same beard trick to somewhat hide the obligatory Anglo-Saxon chin.

The ministry draws from both nobles and commoners. It’s possible that those who rise to wealth then marry into nobility.

Regarding the origins of the nobles:

• There is nothing that indicates that the Ascalonians playing a prominent role in the defeat of the White Mantle were ennobled. There’s not even 1 known Ascalonian family name found among Divinity’s Reach Nobles. That includes the original Ascalonian noble families, of which virtually none seem to have never made it to Kryta.
• If Salma’s complexion were the exceptional result of her noble White father having conceived her with a brown-skinned priestess, then we shouldn’t see the tone persist all the way to Jenna, if the rest of the noble candidates to intermarriage were mainly White … unless her lineage is one of purity through incest, isolating royalty from other nobility. So, if the unfortunate has no veracity, the nobles should be much more of mixed phenotype, like Jenna.
• Orrian blood would make a not so White nobility, for although there is only 1 Orrian specimen ever seen, he reveals a rather Mediterranean complexion (Orr is warm enough to have had gorillas and massive trees), light-brown but not suntanned, and pigmented lips:

draxynnic.3719:

On the Blade Ranger… Really?

Her lips are… in terms of shape, not far from some female Ascalonians. Colour might be unusual, but this is a world where some women wear lipstick into combat.

Nose… Is it the size? There are Caucasians with large noses.

Eyes… they’re green. That’s a colour that’s most common in Europe, although it does appear elsewhere (and unlike blue, it doesn’t all seem to stem from a single ancestor). Shape doesn’t appear to point to non-Caucasian.

Hair? Dark hair, in a particular hairstyle? And you accuse me of reaching.

If I had to guess, I’d say she was probably of Mediterranean ancestry if she was on Earth. Yes, that may include North Africa, although that’s not the side my gut is leaning on – but Caucasian and European are not synonyms. The Caucusus region is actually in Central Asia (between the Black Sea and the Caspian) and at the time the term was coined Caucasians were believed to have spread from there.

However, strictly speaking, we’re talking about skin tone here – I’ve just been using ‘Caucasian’ because it’s a less loaded term than ‘white’. The fact of the matter is that hers is light. It’s lighter than General Bayel’s, in fact, and he’s specifically called out to be Ascalonian.

Thing is, if we were to think about the genotypes they would use rather than Earth ones… what we call Caucasian would probably be, to them, Orrian or even just plain Tyrian (along with Canthan, Elonian, and possibly others). Kryta was originally settled from Orr, then colonised by Elonians around 300AE. So it has always had a mix of Orrian (Caucasian) and Elonian (African) types. We can quibble over the numbers, but at no point in Kryta’s history was it ever likely to have had less than a significant minority of “whites”.

I have to say those lips are rather full too for Ascalonian ancestry. The nose bridge is broad and the nostrils are heavy, like in Blacks. I’d say she’s at least 25% of Elonian phenotype; that’s not too much to have green eyes. You should also notice how Quarteroons and Octoroons irl tend to have lighter complexion than “pure” Whites who color towards salmon pink because of the the translucency of their skin.

The Dominican Republic, with a majoritarely mixed population between similar hues, would be the closest real-life representation of the phenotypic distribution of Kryta in Guild Wars “1”. They whitened down in Guild Wars 2 to a rather cliché distribution of Western capitals. Furthermore, the nobility, which one would presume descended from the old brown Krytans, are now mainly White, occasionally something Black-skinned yet morphologically White in every other respect apart from the fullness of their pink lips.

zwierz.9012:

I tried really hard to make a decent looking human, for the sake of wanting to play and experience human storylines and atmosphere for the sake of GW1 nostalgia, and best I could do is my thief and necromancer, necromancer I think is relatively well holding up, with thief less so.

Necro is made without using gem story cosmetics, thief with.

Shows that one has to go as far as adding long grey hair and beard to make somewhat distinctive looks. Compare your thief and Arvizal’s thief. Human male faces are like the Warrior options in GW “1”, where almost everyone resorted to the same template for lack of non-caveman faces. My brother, cousin and years-long GW friend all had that one same face too. In this case however, one might have to look twice to tell that both aren’t the same face.

youkitten kids.6054:

I’ve also got a request, but brace yourselves, because it’s much more selfish. All I want is Prince’s hair from Purple Rain. Just a really good curly mullet. It’s all I need.

I’d like that option too. It would give for refreshing looks.
Maybe too refreshing …

DarcShriek.5829:

Let’s get this straight people. If I’m in charge of Kryta, and the pact goes to defend the largest stronghold of pirates on the continent, then I will no longer support the pact financially nor will I support it with men and arms.

Advent Leader.1083:

The idea that the Pact is a task force designed specifically to fight dragons is noticeable, but you have to account that while the Orders make up most of the Pact forces, they also include auxiliaries of all nations in the continent of Tyria. You really can’t deploy them all without due support from their home nations, as shown with Reach’s reluctance to give support to Lion’s Arch.

Exactly.
An organisation like the Pact would only be allowed to exist under joint tutelage of the 6 nations. If it were to act independently from the conditions set up by the nations, i would become a rogue organisation, likely to be outlawed by some of them, if not all in order to avoid a diplomatic incident. Though those tight reins allow the Pact to only operate in a narrow field, it is a necessity to prevent the Pact from competing with the structures of power and eventually gain the imperial policy-making power of the Praetorian Guard in the Roman Empire.

You can’t have the dark lips that were typical for Krytans, can you?
And there’s no male face that looks realistically Asian, let alone Black, and all except 1 have the orthogathism that pronounces Caucasian chins. Even sylvari and asura display more ethnically diverse (human) traits than humans in GW2.

Lostwingman.5034:

You know, a good half of those faces look like they were pulled right out of a JRPG.

JRPG/anime/manga faces downplay Asian traits while trying to approximate the relatedness of a and some of the human faces for GW2 take on surreal idiosyncracies in similar way. This is only the case for about a quarter of the female faces and just 1 male face that looks like Sephiroth’s in Final Fantasy VII spin-offs. And just because they’re no longer Caucasian doesn’t make them automatically Asian and African counterparts to the White bulk.

Hyper Cutter.9376:

And so your true Tumblr nature becomes exposed.

Leaving aside that you apparently think asians count as white now, several of those faces only look white because they’re light-skinned. And that’s before doing anything with sliders, which can have a fairly dramatic effect on a character’s appearance.

I can only have a guess at the meaning behind the slur you hurl at me. Does what I think, make you uneasy?

There’s 1 female face that works for generic Asian and 1 female face that works for generic Black; I admit that does amount to “several”. Oh diversity, what options! But among male faces, there are effectively 0 African and (non-animesque) Asian faces. And sliders can only do as much; one can’t just make a Black guy by thickening lips and nose or an Asian by squinting eyes. But if you still think otherwise, do prove me wrong.

And what happened to curly hair options? It’s the most glaring omission - or joke! Not only are tight curls a defining trait for Black people and among Elonians, but partially Black people and many White persons (including the description of Riona Grady in Ghosts of Ascalon) have natural, larger curls aswell. Keep on disregarding?

The geographical representation is far far more reduced than that, though. And I have to give it the OP, whom I am grateful to for not remaining silent. This “White-washing” essentially makes the game “by White people for White people”.

Obsidian.1328:

That’s not the case with GW2 ANet. Immersion and believability are less important than offering players options. That means letting the players create characters that look however they want, regardless of it makes any sense to their representative cultures.

Think less immersive and more theme-park.

If only that were the case …

Yet, character creation for humans offers only White facial structures and, apart from the wig-like megafro for men, no curly hair options. The way it’s set up for GW2, Krytans, PC and NPC alike, range from albinistic to melanistic Whites. Instead of being adressed, the Eurocentric imperative is reinforced again and again.

I knew it!

• Scarlet’s drilling is likely to provoke Primordius, the Tengu’s primary enemy, who reigns underground.
• Zodiac props as in the resently released Zodiac armor are Cantha-related, as are the Tengu … who would probably look better in them than the other races.
• With central location of Lion’s Arch gone and the reduction of services freely available in the 3 camps (crafting stations), there’s nothing in the way of promoting the home of the Tengu, the Dominion of the Winds.

And now this latest …

Phadde.7362:

Actually, I don’t agree at all. I think there are a huge amount of good options to choose from, and this is more subjective than one might think; I’ve always though that only one of the Female Sylvari-faces was good and that no one used any of the others – However, a few minutes ago, I stumbled upon a thread where people voted for their favorite Sylvari-faces, and it was a lot more diverse than I ever though it was. Mine wasn’t even in the 2nd place!

And from discovering the variety in (female) sylvari faces, one comes to disagreeing about the one-dimensionality of (male) humans … how?
Alright … I do know what you’re getting at, but I tweaked human (male) aswell as sylvari (male) faces before concluding that only the latter offers representational diversity.

DrDivine.5378:

I could make a human that looked like a standard warrior that’s a big rugged, or I can make a ridiculous looking anime-ish warrior with strange features and armor sets. I liked having the option of diversity compared to other MMOS where humans are usually sidelined as this bland, one type only with forgettable qualities.

Ha ha, Yes …
at least Guild Wars 2 offers two standards for humans (except females, who belong to the straight-haired lolita type only):
diversity is the sliding scale between caveman and prepubescence.

No! Her color must be blue!

That guy’s situation is exceptional though.

Grief and sorrow is the patrimony of humans.
Giddiness is the sylvari’s ignorance manifesting.

Regarding Elona, I would say that by cultural influence:

• Istan is Nubian (North-Sudan), based on the elongated physiques and very dark complexities, predominance of white attire, papyrus boats, the many lesser pyramid buildings, it being the origin of the Elonian dynasty (Egyptian Pharaonic rule) and the archeological interest of the region
• Kourna is West-African (Mali), based on the Yoruba-like admixture of Bantu and Sehelian traits in the general populace, a Berber-like minority such as Turai Ossa and Corsairs, the wearing of headscarfs, kufi, dashiki and those baggy pants, the copper-alloy armors, practice of slavery, its strong organisation, oversees connections with Ascalon and Cantha (reflecting the international mercantile importance of Timbuktu) and the traditional adobe architecture with abstract decorations, contrasted by Arabian-inspired fortresses
• Vabbi is Persian (Zanzibar), based on the mix of Black and Middle-East features, the fantastic 1001 Nights elements, a level of hygiene and sophistication far ahead of Tyria (the Western world) and it being the mineral trade hub of the continent with the rest of the world.

Sub-equatorial Africa being unrepresented, it would be nice if Dzalana were to be “discovered” as the home of a Zulu- or Zimbabwe-inspired civilisation, who likewise avoided foreign encroachment until the advent of gun turrets.

Obsidian.1328:

I would use the phrase “inspired by” rather than “based on.” For instance, the Kurziks seem to heavily impart a gothic theme, which is odd given that they are within an “asian” themed area.

The key word being “seem”, for the Kurzicks’ theme is more of a conflation that is half Gothic and half Japanese:

Even though there was no customisation of them, the Guild Wars “1” faces were at least pleasing … except for the Warrior’s faces, which is the range of templates in which the human faces in Guild Wars 2 seem to fall: an uncanny mix of infantile and brutish features.

But wouldn’t faces like those in the artworks of Guild Wars 2 also be better than what we get our hands on:

Fjandi.2516:

(only one is decent)

You too would concur that a single instance of praise is due, right?

Although his forehead is still a wee bit short like that of a baby, the rest of his features are qualitatively approaching the work on Sylvari faces – from meager reductions on the jutting Jay Leno chin to a richly masculine elimination of cheek puff;

The dragons will always be with Tyria …

Heck, every lifeform kingdom migth even be a dragon’s minions: animals, humanoids included, are in the business of converting matter into more of their own too, if you give it a thought.

Dilige Vitam.1956:

In this thread: People forgetting that Ascalon was originally the Charr’s land and Humans kicked them out of it.

You’re forgetting that, originally, Ascalon was neither’s land and the Charr took it from Grawl and Ogres.

Ice of Dragons.1637:

blue -> winter

Polar ice is of all seasons. Yet, outside of permafrost, I thought snow and frost color towards white?

But yeah, I’d like to vote for a peaceful barren world, the way of Grenth would envision it: without birds feeding their chicks the carcasses of prey too uncute for the spring camp’s consideration.

warbreaker.8154:

And don’t even get me started on the nightmare that was my attempt at making a human with Mediterranean (Greek/Italian/Turkish) features. Holy god. The human character creator is basically White Girls: The Game.

But aren’t darker people just recolored Whites? No? No. No, but Human character creation says suntan & blackface = dark features.

Buuut, here’s what additional coin will get you now:
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Zaxares.5419:

Putting the ghosts to rest is, in fact, the kindest thing we can do for them. (It doesn’t need to be through violence either. If there was some magical ritual that could undo the Foefire and free all the ghosts to move on to the Mists and their afterlife, I’d do it in a heartbeat.)

To unbind the spirits from the Foefire curse would be the most merciful course of action, yes – if only it were an option already.
However, I can’t see how making them relive their losses and fatal confrontations on the way to obliteration would be the next kind alternative. If they can’t yet come to rest in the mist through a non-violent sending, wouldn’t cordoning off Ascalon City and its hinterlands (essentially creating a ghost reserve where they can patroll about in their tirelessness) at least leave them their peace in the mean time?

Why apparently is purging the ghostly population of Ascalon the evident course of action for everyone? Do the ghosts not have feelings or memories?

nerovergil.5408:

Add a 38DD boobs with big hips.

and i want face like Zoey from left4dead

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Gandarel.5091:

I’d actually follow Joko. Just once, let us leave behind the total good-guy thing and give us an undead conquerror to follow.

For the greater good, ofc.

Well , there would be a greater good served in following Palawa – i.e. a good that outweighs his evil:
• to defend the choice to have a demon-free afterlife
• to prevent bloodshed between provinces
• to preserve families accross death
• to keep wisdom forever undying
• to make resources obsolete as a source of conflict
• to allow the dead to seek justice
• to protect the society that has taken root over 2 centuries.

Obsidian.1328:

I mean, Zhaitan isn’t good or evil really, but a Separatist should be dragged out of his home and killed on the street? /slapintheface

I find that part of the game quite creepy, especially in light of the developpers’ commentaries, saying that they’d have everyone to play ‘only heroes’.
Only heroes … who perform summary executions, hunt for heretics, plunder nonallied strongholds and threaten discenters. The only alternative is to close dialog or skip gameplay – which I find myself doing more often than in any other game.

I hate everything about Charr, for they are … Charr. And I would like to see them go extinct before all others races.
Yet, I don’t see any good reason to go with claiming Ascalon for Divinity’s Reach.

Ascalon still has its rightul claimants: the Ghosts of Ascalon, who have been there for their whole existence.

Male sylvari faces are far more representative of human males than human male faces are.
And that the same goes for the female counterparts aswell, doesn’t reduce the ridicule evoked by finding realistic faces in vegetables first.

Benji.9203:

human female afro make it happen.

And again, not a single afro haircut among the selection, leaving the count at 1 discoball for men and an Asura exclusive female 1 – why?