Deaths Fear [Fear] / The Hardcore Caravan [HC]
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Pay to win = pay to get an advantage, regardless if it’s just saving time imho.
I do understand, and like I said, your complaint is warranted. I too would want more choices to reflect the personality of my character better.
That’s the thing isn’kitten You may be disgusted by jokes about a dead plant, but I’m not. But that doesn’t necessarily mean you’re morally superior.
That’s a false analogy at best.
Why? Your sense of morality tells you, that pooping on the floor is bad and disgusting.
My sense of morality tells me the same + much more. Including jokes about the dead. Understand?
Do you get offended when your The Sims character pees on the floor? Sure, I wouldn’t do it IRL, but I find it funny to watch him do that to some extent.
That’s a false analogy at best.
I didn’t find it tactless or awkward at all, although I do agree with having more options that would reflect what kind of personality you’d like your own character to have. It’s just as distasteful though that some people think that those who do not empathize with their moral view is inferior.
Im not forcing my morals on you. It was your kind of people morals, that was forced on my hero. If it wasnt for all this topics “olololo look! I stomped scarlet with a cow”, devs would have a little more respect to Scarlet.
She deserves respect? :/
So we should talk about that now? I still believe, that at some point we would find out, that without Scarlet intervention, Tyria would have been doomed. It would be to long if ill start reading my full pro and con list of Scarlet aftereffect on the Tyria.
So ill just settle down to say, that every dead deserve respect. I dunno about your country, but in mine there is even a saying “When you talk about the dead, talk the good or keep silent”
That applies to computer generated images too? My point is, don’t diss the people who aren’t offended by the same things. Sure, your dislike is warranted, perhaps it’s cultural, but people who like the the scene aren’t necessarily “little humans” who have no heart.
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She deserves respect? :/
Again, it’s not so much about Scarlet, as it is about the player character, like I said in my post. My character would not go making jokes about dead tyrants or singing “ding-dong the witch is dead”. Now all the options that were given were equally bad. That’s what I’m personally arguing here.
I understand and I agree that people should’ve had more options. My issue is with the people who think that people who like the options are morally daft. I wouldn’t say the options themselves were bad, just lacking.
Good thing I don’t get immersed enough in video games that I confuse my real world morals with theirs.
But you immersed enough to go to the forums and talk about how not immersed are you. You know, some people might even think, that you care. Silly people.
Of course I care about the game. I wouldn’t be playing it otherwise… Just not enough to misconstrue a joke with realism.
So…would it be fine, if game, u care about, would transform into puke jokes and story for a 10 year old kids?
It hasn’t so far. I’ll keep you posted about how I’d feel about it if it happens.
See? So its all about your moral standards. Guess, they just wasnt as high as mine. A little lower and even u would be hurt. Looks like you immersed much enough. Just dont accept it untill it hurts ya.
Morality is subjective. What you perceive as high, I might see as self righteousness.
But my point still stands. If u care about the game > u care about the story. U just fine with the way story is made right now.
Ofc I do care about the story. That was never a point of contention.
It was, actually.
Good thing I don’t get immersed enough in video games that I confuse my real world morals with theirs
U see. If u not immersed enough, so u shouldnt care about puke jokes and story for 10 year olds.Because its a game world! Dont confuse your morals and theirs! In Tyria its just fine!
Wut? Not being deeply immersed =/= not caring.
Ill just live you hanging at this point of conversation. You should understand my point with some time given.
Oh I completely understand your point… I just don’t agree.
I didn’t find it tactless or awkward at all, although I do agree with having more options that would reflect what kind of personality you’d like your own character to have. It’s just as distasteful though that some people think that those who do not empathize with their moral view is inferior.
Im not forcing my morals on you. It was your kind of people morals, that was forced on my hero. If it wasnt for all this topics “olololo look! I stomped scarlet with a cow”, devs would have a little more respect to Scarlet.
She deserves respect? :/ Oh and I never said you were forcing your morals, just that you perceive those who don’t share the same view inferior:
This scene in the bar…. I understand, that you have to appeal to all little humans, who hated scarlet…. But why no choice for a people with a heart?
Can’t u…like… feel good, that its over, but still remain human? I guess it would be to hard.
Its obvious, that we have to kill/farm to get anything in this game. But it doesnt mean, that we should abandon our moral standards.
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Do people honestly want the nipples on female characters to show?
Good thing I don’t get immersed enough in video games that I confuse my real world morals with theirs.
But you immersed enough to go to the forums and talk about how not immersed are you. You know, some people might even think, that you care. Silly people.
Of course I care about the game. I wouldn’t be playing it otherwise… Just not enough to misconstrue a joke with realism.
So…would it be fine, if game, u care about, would transform into puke jokes and story for a 10 year old kids?
It hasn’t so far. I’ll keep you posted about how I’d feel about it if it happens.
See? So its all about your moral standards. Guess, they just wasnt as high as mine. A little lower and even u would be hurt. Looks like you immersed much enough. Just dont accept it untill it hurts ya.
Morality is subjective. What you perceive as high, I might see as self righteousness.
But my point still stands. If u care about the game > u care about the story. U just fine with the way story is made right now.
Ofc I do care about the story. That was never a point of contention.
It was, actually.
Good thing I don’t get immersed enough in video games that I confuse my real world morals with theirs
U see. If u not immersed enough, so u shouldnt care about puke jokes and story for 10 year olds.Because its a game world! Dont confuse your morals and theirs! In Tyria its just fine!
Wut? Not being deeply immersed =/= not caring.
I didn’t find it tactless or awkward at all, although I do agree with having more options that would reflect what kind of personality you’d like your own character to have. It’s just as distasteful though that some people think that those who do not empathize with their moral view is inferior.
Good thing I don’t get immersed enough in video games that I confuse my real world morals with theirs.
But you immersed enough to go to the forums and talk about how not immersed are you. You know, some people might even think, that you care. Silly people.
Of course I care about the game. I wouldn’t be playing it otherwise… Just not enough to misconstrue a joke with realism.
So…would it be fine, if game, u care about, would transform into puke jokes and story for a 10 year old kids?
It hasn’t so far. I’ll keep you posted about how I’d feel about it if it happens.
See? So its all about your moral standards. Guess, they just wasnt as high as mine. A little lower and even u would be hurt. Looks like you immersed much enough. Just dont accept it untill it hurts ya.
Morality is subjective. What you perceive as high, I might see as self righteousness.
But my point still stands. If u care about the game > u care about the story. U just fine with the way story is made right now.
Ofc I do care about the story. That was never a point of contention.
Good thing I don’t get immersed enough in video games that I confuse my real world morals with theirs.
But you immersed enough to go to the forums and talk about how not immersed are you. You know, some people might even think, that you care. Silly people.
Of course I care about the game. I wouldn’t be playing it otherwise… Just not enough to misconstrue a joke with realism.
So…would it be fine, if game, u care about, would transform into puke jokes and story for a 10 year old kids?
It hasn’t so far. I’ll keep you posted about how I’d feel about it if it happens.
See? So its all about your moral standards. Guess, they just wasnt as high as mine. A little lower and even u would be hurt. Looks like you immersed much enough. Just dont accept it untill it hurts ya.
Morality is subjective. What you perceive as high, I might see as self righteous.
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Good thing I don’t get immersed enough in video games that I confuse my real world morals with theirs.
But you immersed enough to go to the forums and talk about how not immersed are you. You know, some people might even think, that you care. Silly people.
Of course I care about the game. I wouldn’t be playing it otherwise… Just not enough to misconstrue a joke with realism.
So…would it be fine, if game, u care about, would transform into puke jokes and story for a 10 year old kids?
It hasn’t so far. I’ll keep you posted about how I’d feel about it if it happens.
Good thing I don’t get immersed enough in video games that I confuse my real world morals with theirs.
But you immersed enough to go to the forums and talk about how not immersed are you. You know, some people might even think, that you care. Silly people.
Of course I care about the game. I wouldn’t be playing it otherwise… Just not enough to misconstrue a joke with realism.
Good thing I don’t get immersed enough in video games that I confuse my real world morals with theirs.
Ugh I wish they gave the humans the side ponytail instead of norns instead.
I don’t even see Scarlet as a person. :/ Yes, I’m racist against non-humans ingame.
The sarcasm was meant to emphasize how ridiculous Manuhell’s “way” is.
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Who died and made you Captain of the Lionguard? The objective of the event, as with everything else in the game, is to have fun. People apparently are having fun farming bags. Deal with it.
That’s just your opinion. I have posted actual facts – the patch notes and the ingame gui clearly explain what the goal of the event is.
And i can’t see “farming champs” or “staying afk” in any of them.This is true. If you were in Lornar’s pass and not doing the Marionette Event when it was up you had no business being there.
No. People who were doing map completion had just as much right to be there. You, as a player, have zero right to determine who should or shouldn’t be there. That decision is entirely up to Anet.
But patchnotes!
1. Guild Halls
2. Ritualist
3. Human Gods
4. GvG
5. Dueling
To me they are the Irrawady Dolphins heads with legs xD.
LOL that is so cute.. I wish we had a quaggan dance when we’re in quaggan form..
I want a quaggan dance
Who died and made you Captain of the Lionguard? The objective of the event, as with everything else in the game, is to have fun. People apparently are having fun farming bags. Deal with it.
That’s just your opinion. I have posted actual facts – the patch notes and the ingame gui clearly explain what the goal of the event is.
And i can’t see “farming champs” or “staying afk” in any of them.
This is true. If you were in Lornar’s pass and not doing the Marionette Event when it was up you had no business being there.
Oh and what about the etymology of the name? How did you guys decide on ‘quaggan’?
a guildmate of mine (Nathanro) posted this:
Quaggan sacrifice T_T
OMG lol that is so adorable… <3
How can anyone not like a quaggan? :O
Are they based off of the pokemon Quagsire? They’re so cute I wanna pinch them.
I really hope they release an underwater zodiac headgear.
And so now you are implying that you have access to his Chat logs.. or are you just referring to the chat we have all seen posted?
“oh, another one!” “Quaggan will miss you!!”….
The chat logs posted in the closed thread show, without a doubt, that the suspension was justified in the eyes of Anet. According to Qt, logs show that the person was kicked multiple times, and continued to return to the map to AFK during the event. Repeated behavior.
So which part of this is hard to accept? The fact that a player was caught AFKing? Or the fact that the AFKer repeated an action that, in the eyes of Anet, was not allowed?
In the eyes of one dev. Who is human and is very much culpable.
Yep. So not everyone who got banned deserved it.
And that all boils down to Anet’s decision. Not yours. Not mine.
So the circle is complete. Anet acted justly in their actions to kick/suspend AFKers. If a mistake was made, it will be corrected. If Customer Support gives a second chance to offenders, so be it. Happy ending for all.
And yet this incident seems tied to one particular person only.. So saying “Anet” seems inappropriate in this case.
Why did they deserve it, and how can you know?
Because I read the chat logs from the Anet Head of Security.
You don’t even know what anet’s response was to the tickets filed.
Correct. That response is between Customer Support and the player. If they felt the suspension was unwarranted, it will be reversed. Pretty simple.
Yep. So not everyone who got banned deserved it.
I like how this is still a debate between AFKers and Power-Hungry-Devs. No one is accounting for the people who get banned without reason. They are between these two groups, and it is that group of people that I am sticking up for. If ANet wants to ban AFKers, then fine, but make it transparent so we know what we can and can’t do, and make it an automated system so there is no human error.
The last thing I want to do is log on and think of the endless possibilities that could get me banned. I should be able to just sit down, read some clear-cut rules, and play the game. I can’t do that when we have Devs on power trips.
The people who got kicked deserved so. People who got 72 hour suspensions got what they deserved as well, because they repeated the behaviors that got them kicked in the first place. We call this an open-and-shut case.
You don’t even know what anet’s response was to the tickets filed.
Has there been any incidents after that 1 day that people has been kicked out of LA or any other world event for being afk?
I don’t think it was even a solution at all, more like a lapse in judgment. If this was deemed a problem, considering it’s been 2 or 3 days since the kicking/suspension began, how inconsistent the reinforcement was (done only on a few servers/overflows for some odd hours by a dev or two) AND not to mention how controversial it has become, there should have been a real fix by now. Also, seems like there aren’t any kicking/suspension going on recently or at least not as blatantly. Take note that my speculations are only based on my experience and what little I know after this issue has erupted.
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Attacking people is wrong too! So please follow the rules.
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Wut? Who said anything about me being an afker? :/ I didn’t even know that the automated kick system won’t activate through the entire duration of the event. You sir, are making too many assumptions. I have never been banned or suspended in any game that i played.
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Don’t quote me so fast. I like ninja editing. Look at my sig.
Chats in game is so much worse than the forums. People are blaming heirloom runners and bag farmers (zerglings). The map chat is more toxic than the miasma.
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@kRiza,
If it is perfectly ok to go afk, why are people being kicked for afk at all then??
Exactly what we were asking. From the map chats I’ve observed throughout several LA events today, seems like people aren’t getting kicked or suspended anymore.
Found one very funny chat. I hope the next patch won’t divide the community as much.
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I wonder what the people who report afk choose as their reason for reporting? Botting? Inappropriate character name? Verbal abuse? Coz if you’re seriously reporting people for an offense that he didn’t do just because he’s afk then you’re misusing that button.
As stated many times by support. Not all offensive behaviour is covered by the category button’s. If the reason isn’t there, choose one that is closest to the situation. In this case botting would be closed.
And the person is AFK-ing so committing an offense. AFK-ing in LA with the soul pupose off getting a reward is an exploit. Exploiting isn’t allowed.
How is that even close to botting? And since when is afking an offense? And how do you know people’s intent? :O You’re just stretching the rules to suit your needs.
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I wonder what the people who report afk choose as their reason for reporting? Botting? Inappropriate character name? Verbal abuse? Coz if you’re seriously reporting people for an offense that he didn’t do just because he’s afk then you’re misusing that button.
There aren’t any justification for being ,anually kicked from a map from them either aside from “being afk”. Why not set the internal auto kick sytem instead? A debate doesn’t end because someone just happened to grasp at straws. Oh wait, they do, not just in their favor.
The justification is that AFK players do the following:
1) Take away the experience of the event from other players
2) Take up precious player slots on each map
3) Do not contribute to the intended rescue mechanics of the event
4) Get max rewards without contribution
5) Can scale up Miasma events, resulting in high chances to failAgain, the debate is over. Anet GMs did what they felt was necessary to protect the other players on the map. I fully support their decision.
The problem lies with the fact that there were no proper communication towards their player base changing afk from being acceptable to being punishable. If you really are a lawyer, then you’ve probably heard of Unfair Contract Terms Act. And stop putting words where there aren’t any. The reason provided was a blanket statement regarding ALL AFKers which would apply to people wherever they are: whether they are in LA or in gendarran. If you have proof of the GM stating explicitly points 3, 4 and 5 in the screenies then please provide them.
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How do I call the offensive behavior police to support my events? Or is this a private police force for blackgate/tts/etc.
Apparently, if they join your guild and invite them in your private TS and have off-the-clock private sessions with them.
I don’t need to determine Anet’s policy. I already understand it. If there’s someone taking advantage of a mechanic that wasn’t intended, Anet has the right to smite them. But if it helps, Chris the security head, visits our TS every now and then for runs. He’s taken his own time outside of work to clarify what’s not allowed, so I’ll PM him to ask for clarification on AFKs during events. He was there when we discovered an exploit in the Wurm, which lead to the event shutting down for a few days.
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It looks as if he is attempting to comply with your request for debate on a specific topic.
The debate ended long ago when I looked at the chat logs, and saw that GMs haven’t been suspending people for AFKing, but rather kicking them from the map. The suspensions came from multiple kicks while AFKing.
There aren’t any justification for being ,anually kicked from a map from them either aside from “being afk”. Why not set the internal auto kick sytem instead? A debate doesn’t end because someone just happened to grasp at straws. Oh wait, they do, not just in their favor.
/puts on law hat
After further review of the evidence and testimony of chat logs from both parties, I find the GM acted in good faith in protecting the game play of people wanting to do the LA event. Logs state that players are NOT suspended for AFKing, but rather after repeated offenses. Being kicked no less than three times, and returning to the zone each time to continue AFKing to gather rewards resulted in a 72 hour suspension.
Case closed. If you don’t like the punishment, please feel free to submit a Support Ticket.
Edit – I’m surprised that Danicia hasn’t closed this thread yet.
Lawl internet lawyers.
“Player was removed from the map more than 3 times but continues to rejoin and returns to an afk state”
Why was she removed in the first place?! because “Afking and purposely afking degrades the game experience for everyone”? Since when does this kind of policy exist? Why hasn’t there been any transparent communication to their player base about a change in terms regarding being AFK?
In retrospect, maybe this outrage against afkers is indeed a cultural thing as timmyf pointed out.. I grew up playing MMOs where leeching is not only tolerated, but is actually the norm. Where people sit in dungeons while partied with higher level characters to get a chance at looting that rare card or where powerleveling is the best and even most advised method to gain exp etc. :/
Being powerlevelled in a group for that purpose is different to porting into the LA event and standing at the portal for the duration. Its one thing to get your mates to help you level to max in a few hours, and another to do nothing and hope to reap the Ultimate reward. The difference isn’t very big but it’s there.
I’ve mentioned previously that I played an MMO where the daily is to just log in the game for an hour straight. Everyone gets a chance of getting something for doing nothing.
In retrospect, maybe this outrage against afkers is indeed a cultural thing as timmyf pointed out.. I grew up playing MMOs where leeching is not only tolerated, but is actually the norm. Where people sit in dungeons while partied with higher level characters to get a chance at looting that rare card or where powerleveling is the best and even most advised method to gain exp etc. :/ I don’t get mad that people who aren’t exerting effort as much as I do have as good a chance in getting loots because I’m aware that how they spend time in game with their characters is none of my business (unless they’re doing something that is without a doubt illegal) and because that’s how it was designed/intended.
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In those cases, Anet disabled the content, investigated, punished the “Worst” abusers and made the information known to all.
They have yet to address anything on the LA “issue”, and did in fact implement the event with no participation required. They haven’t changed that. They haven’t announced anything re AFK in LA. They have not responded to it in any official manner out of game. They have not given a rules framework.. ie.. 5 mins inactive, 10, 15, nothing. No rules to go by. As it stands now, you could participate 30 mins, take a short break… and be suspended upon the whim of whoever sees you standing still with no real investigation done.
What has happened is one.. perhaps 2 Anet employees have taken it upon themselves to “police” the event by handing out suspensions for macro use or offensive behavior, apparently on their own time and on the spot snap decisions.
But you hit on the crux of the matter for you I think. A remote chance at an item worth “hundreds of gold”. It isn’t about citizen rescues at all… is it. It’s about your bag farming, and resentment that somewhere, someone may get the item you wanted..by not playing YOUR way. That thought makes me warm and fuzzy, actually.
As far as whether Anet “intended” it… they coded it. No participation needed. A person doing a JP will get it. A person taking screenshots, exploring, doing Vistas will get it. A zerg farming champs will get it. A person only doing other activities will get it. You do not have to rescue to get rescue rewards. Seems fairly clear.. and if not “intended”, then, fixable by other means than capricious suspensions.
But you seem fine with capricious, summary, inconsistant suspensions.. because you have preordained that anyone who gets one.. is “offensive” and deserves it, no matter the circumstances. GG.
You missed the part where I said to debate whether or not Anet intended for people to be rewarded for doing nothing. Once you get away from defending the AFKers, and ask yourself that primary question, you’ll find it much harder to defend your position. Just because it’s “coded” that way, doesn’t mean it was “intended” that way. Same as saying “Anet didn’t specifically say it’s not ok, so it must be ok.” That, my friend, is a fallacy.
Now back to the GM. It’s been said that he didn’t suspend anyone for AFKing. That’s fine. Getting kicked isn’t much of a punishment, save for not being able to get rewards. If someone was suspended by mistake, Customer Support will fix it.
See you’re just being very persistent in saying that Anet didn’t intend this when all the bug fixes they’ve done and the lack of any statement regarding a change in afk policy CLEARLY say otherwise.
Let me dumb it down for ya: It IS working as designed. Blame anet if you don’t like the reward mechanics of the event. The suggestion forums is right there >>> https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/suggestions
As designed yes but NOT AS INTENDED and the suggestions forum is no more. I will report AFKers that I find that are mindlessly sticky-keyed running against a wall or cave or mountaintop, plain stupid.
Sure, but make sure you are reporting people who are are in fact taking measures to bypass the automated kick system. Otherwise, you’re abusing that report button.
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I still find it funny that there are a few people here that have spent so much effort arguing for the rights for people to stand running into a corner just to get rewards. Basically what I am reading from some people is, “Down with the man! You have no right to kick me!” Yes, yes they do and it seems they are. My guess is some of you don’t even AFK or even spend much time in LA but as soon as you see “Anet Dev kicking AFKers,” you go into rage mode just for the sake of arguing, “Don’t tell me how to play! Down with ANET!”
That’s the last I have to say in regard to this issue, rage on.
JT, I actually love to debate these people. That’s why I prefer them to continue to complain. But really, I find part of it as a challenge of trying to get them to come up with good points to defend their positions. A healthy debate is the best kind, because those are the ones Anet listens to. Unfortunately, the main argument is “because Anet didn’t tell me I can’t”. That makes me sad, because then I win debates without effort.
With anything, there needs to be a valid point to an argument. My points are defending Anet, so mostly my argument are correct by default. If there’s something I agree with, and someone else doesn’t, they need to bring something solid to the table. Kinda like how the CDIs are. You state your idea or opinion, and also provide a reasoning for it.
I’m hopeful someone here arguing for AFKer’s rights will step up. Cheap shots and personal attacks do nothing to me, except to solidify the fact that I’m right.
Nice try. We’re not saying “Anet didn’t tell me I can’t AFK”. We’re saying “Anet told me it’s ok to AFK just not circumvent the auto kick system by using 3pp, but they penalized me nonetheless”.
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