Guild Wars 2

JustTrogdor.7892:

Leo Paul.1659:

@JustTrogdor, if they are going to make a sudden change in policy then they better be transparent. And if I think it is reasonable then let me click on that “agree” button on their EULA again. Seems like you’re someone who just accept things thrown at you blindly.

It’s right here:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-user-agreement/

11. A. i.

You understand that You have no fundamental right whatsoever to use the Game, and that You understand that NCSOFT may in its sole and absolute discretion terminate Your ability to access or use the Game for any reason or for no reason whatsoever;

You agreed. So if you get kicked for AFK you can’t complain, like it or not.

LOL and how enforceable is that in court when it’s discovered that the action taken wasn’t in good faith?

Nowhere in their rules of conduct do they specify that AFKing in pve is grounds for suspension.

Leeching is acceptable in other MMO’s. The most common example being power-leveling. :/ GW2 was just able to distinguish itself via their different loot/reward mechanics… Until now.

Obtena.7952:

I have NEVER played a game where rewards are intended to be earned AFK, whether the coding allowed it or not. Take that for what it’s worth. Letter of the law doesn’t always take precedent. If devs are kicking AFKer’s it’s probably because their is a GAP in the code that would normally do this for them.

I’ve played an MMO that rewards you just logging in for an hour as a daily. Without doing anything.

@JustTrogdor, if they are going to make a sudden change in policy then they better be transparent. And if I think it is reasonable then let me click on that “agree” button on their EULA again. Seems like you’re someone who just accept things thrown at you blindly.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

In those cases, Anet disabled the content, investigated, punished the “Worst” abusers and made the information known to all.

They have yet to address anything on the LA “issue”, and did in fact implement the event with no participation required. They haven’t changed that. They haven’t announced anything re AFK in LA. They have not responded to it in any official manner out of game. They have not given a rules framework.. ie.. 5 mins inactive, 10, 15, nothing. No rules to go by. As it stands now, you could participate 30 mins, take a short break… and be suspended upon the whim of whoever sees you standing still with no real investigation done.

What has happened is one.. perhaps 2 Anet employees have taken it upon themselves to “police” the event by handing out suspensions for macro use or offensive behavior, apparently on their own time and on the spot snap decisions.

But you hit on the crux of the matter for you I think. A remote chance at an item worth “hundreds of gold”. It isn’t about citizen rescues at all… is it. It’s about your bag farming, and resentment that somewhere, someone may get the item you wanted..by not playing YOUR way. That thought makes me warm and fuzzy, actually.

As far as whether Anet “intended” it… they coded it. No participation needed. A person doing a JP will get it. A person taking screenshots, exploring, doing Vistas will get it. A zerg farming champs will get it. A person only doing other activities will get it. You do not have to rescue to get rescue rewards. Seems fairly clear.. and if not “intended”, then, fixable by other means than capricious suspensions.

But you seem fine with capricious, summary, inconsistant suspensions.. because you have preordained that anyone who gets one.. is “offensive” and deserves it, no matter the circumstances. GG.

You missed the part where I said to debate whether or not Anet intended for people to be rewarded for doing nothing. Once you get away from defending the AFKers, and ask yourself that primary question, you’ll find it much harder to defend your position. Just because it’s “coded” that way, doesn’t mean it was “intended” that way. Same as saying “Anet didn’t specifically say it’s not ok, so it must be ok.” That, my friend, is a fallacy.

Now back to the GM. It’s been said that he didn’t suspend anyone for AFKing. That’s fine. Getting kicked isn’t much of a punishment, save for not being able to get rewards. If someone was suspended by mistake, Customer Support will fix it.

See you’re just being very persistent in saying that Anet didn’t intend this when all the bug fixes they’ve done and the lack of any statement regarding a change in afk policy CLEARLY say otherwise.

Let me dumb it down for ya: It IS working as designed. Blame anet if you don’t like the reward mechanics of the event. The suggestion forums is right there >>> https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/suggestions

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Leo Paul.1659:

Do you see any official statements regarding this issue anywhere? It’s been a week, and several bug patches have been released already. You yourself have stated that an anet employee denied any bans that occurred pertaining to being afk. So it’s working as intended, whether you like it or not. And if you continue reporting people for being afk then you’re abusing the report button.

We’re getting side tracked from the real issue. I’ll quote myself on what the real question should be:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

So ask yourselves this: “If I can get a reward worth hundreds of Gold for standing around for 45 minutes, is that what Anet intended for the event?” Debate that topic, rather than trying to counter me.

Anet hasn’t done anything to modify this nor released any statement saying it’s an exploit, so it’s clearly working as intended. Inference please.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Leo Paul.1659:

Those issues have been fixed as soon as they came to anet’s attention. There were official statements posted about it. Try harder.

But they weren’t written into the User Agreement, and were done after-the-fact.

/harder

Do you see any official statements regarding this issue anywhere? It’s been a week, and several bug patches have been released already. You yourself have stated that an anet employee denied any bans that occurred pertaining to being afk. So it’s working as intended, whether you like it or not. And if you continue reporting people for being afk then you’re abusing the report button.

Sariel V.7024:

Kumu Honua.2751:

Since I have been having extreme difficulty staying connected during the event, I have started to go into the lake. Where there is little traffic to “afk”. Mostly I fight my internet connection in the hopes that I can actually get enough found relics for the items. I do not succeed all the time and frequently get disconnected over and over again.

I’ve had people show up and immediately drag enemies to me. Which I then fight immediately. Half the time I disconnect when that starts up.

I am at my keyboard. I am “playing” the game. I am simply not contributing to the event itself as I cannot do so currently and it’s not your right to deny me access to the game.

If I could get enough relics SIMPLY by doing the daily rubble, then I wouldn’t even bother, but that’s not the case.

I have so far not gotten a “Full run” and not even close. Mostly because I cannot stay connected to a server and get dumped into an overflow with only 300 or so at the 45 minute mark.

So I personally dislike that Anet seems to be banning people for being afk, especially without even testing if they are indeed afk or not. If my account gets banned for my activity, I will most certainly raise one hell of a fuss.

I have no sympathy. I’ve been fighting the same thing, disconnecting every three to five minutes and sometimes having to reboot the game entirely. Being an active member of [MEDx], I’m pretty sure they got sick of constantly ferrying me back into their overflow (when that was even possible, which was 20% of the time), and my wife gets concerned about how infuriated I get over something I’m doing ‘for fun’. I still manage to contribute rescues, and I get all the heirlooms run after about my 4th time in. I’m not superhuman, just determined, and determined to make sure my team succeeds.

It may not be my right to deny you access, but it sure as kitten is not your right to deny other people access. Stop being a hypocrite.

No one is denying you access to the event.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I think they read it. They didn’t agree with you, and that’s their prerogative. You don’t get to be the end all be all of knowledge. That’s for the devs.

Edit: also I agree with Leo, if there is a change in policy, devs need to be transparent about it.

Oh no, I agree. Anet is the final say to any and all things in game. While debating this issue, I pointed out mechanics and provided examples to support my argument. Everything I stated makes more sense than “it’s not written in the User Agreement, so it’s ok to do”.

Keep in mind many players have been perma-banned or had suspensions for abusing unintended mechanics. Cheap Karma weapons, salvaging Exotic jewels, etc. None of that was specifically stated in the rules, yet they all fall under the blanket term of “abuse” or “cheat”.

So ask yourselves this: “If I can get a reward worth hundreds of Gold for standing around for 45 minutes, is that what Anet intended for the event?” Debate that topic, rather than trying to counter me.

Those issues have been fixed as soon as they came to anet’s attention. There were official statements posted about it. Try harder.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Well it’s a circular argument now, with a refusal to address the actual issue by the usual suspects.

It only becomes a circular argument when you don’t fully understand the mechanics of the event. Please take the time to read my posts, and you’ll be fully informed on the merits of my argument.

There are none.

Well, if there aren’t any official statements from them regarding a change in afk policy, then i suppose there is none and that people who get punished really were done so mistakenly or are victims of [isolated cases of] rogue devs (hopefully not the latter).

Sariel V.7024:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Sariel V.7024:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Maybe people should get over themselves and learn to mind their own business.

So, you’re one of the leeches.

Yup, I’m a leech. I hang out by the ruins of the forge doing the Dolyaks, the Children, defending the Trader’s Forum and occasionally Miasma over and over again. Sometimes I run up to the BLTC building to encourage traders when there’s a lull. Otherwise I just stand there by the forge watching the city burn.

I wouldn’t quantify that as leeching; maintaining a post in an active flight path and doing events does help (provided you succeed). We’re talking about people that waltz through the door and then stick a thumb up their kitten while they wait for presents to be doled out, which more often then not contributes to everyone in the event getting less and anger all around. So, yeah, it has been MADE my business.

It’s your problem if you get upset over people afking in events. As I’ve stated in a similar general discussion thread: getting to 1200 citizens = killing teq. I don’t suppose gm’s go about exerting haxX0rz kicking powers to ensure a teq kill right? If you happen to be in main or in a good overflow, then good for you. But you have no right to ask people to go away from sparkfly fen just because they aren’t there to kill teq with you.

LOL this reminds of an HC inside joke where members say “reported for reporting”. AFAIK Anet hasn’t specified AFK-only or AFK-free zones in open world maps.

getting to 1200 citizens = killing teq. I don’t suppose gm’s go about exerting haxX0rz kicking powers to ensure a teq kill right? If you happen to be in main or in a good overflow, then good for you. But you have no right to ask people to go away from sparkfly fen just because they aren’t there to kill teq with you.

TheFool.4589:

kRiza krimos.1637:

TheFool.4589:

Leo Paul.1659:

Someone has chat logs with another employee (or the same, i dunno, i don’t hang out with devs enough to know their characters and their names irl) saying it is. So which is it?

Typical. everyone’s pointing fingers but not looking at the facts or providing viable evidence. Telling people it happened isn’t evidence that you can go by. Start throwing down proof on the table then will talk.

You realise that includes you, since you were so quick to jump to Anet defence…

Im not jumping to the defense of anyone. I’m simply bringing what I know to the table. From what I understand, and what Qt Spy said was they were kicking afkers in the event. thats it. Another on this page also reported Qt Spy Saying the same thing. When multiple people report the same thing it starts becoming a fact. But there’s no evidence on here stating people got banned for it. Or were getting banned. jamin above said “then I can post my entire chat log with him” and has yet to do so. Thus no evidence. We know they were getting kicked for it. banned? No evidence. Just saying.

And where is the chat log that smooth penguin is speaking of? :/ that’s why i said this has boiled down to “my word against yours”. And without evidence that this is in fact a punishable offense, going about reporting people for being afk is in itself an abuse [of the report button].

LA is very much an open world. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Open_world

Someone has chat logs with another employee (or the same, i dunno, i don’t hang out with devs enough to know their characters and their names irl) saying it is. So which is it?

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

It is not for you to determine ANET Policy.

Chris the security head, visits our TS every now and then for runs. He’s taken his own time outside of work to clarify what’s not allowed, so I’ll PM him to ask for clarification on AFKs during events.

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And this from the reddit thread. " Devs also do that to blatant afkers in TTS runs. Yay devs!"

So, apparently TTS has access to a dev who will remove/suspend people appearing to be AFK from instances upon request to make room for more TTS. Cozy.

To make it clear, TTS doesn’t ask for favors from the Devs who run with us. What you’re quoting is based on assumptions from a single player on the map. For all we know, the AFKer DC’d, thus allowing more people to taxi in. We may joke with Devs in map chat, but at no point has any one of them told us they kicked an AFKer.

Now kicking during the rescue event in LA, that’s completely separate.

How is that separate? This has now become “your word against mine”. Without an official statement from Anet, how are we to know that there has been a change in policy regarding afk?

This whole thing smells fishy to me. Seems like some devs are getting too cozy with players that they are getting special privileges. Like private TS sessions where people can give suggestions and have them implemented. There are people who are worried about insider trading already. The last thing you need are subtle hints pointing towards this.

Who’s to say that guild halls wouldn’t come with new content?

Kal Spiro.9745:

Leo Paul.1659:

Taygus.4571:

Kal Spiro.9745:

AFKers are not making it harder to do anything. Other players are doing the same thing they would be doing whether they were there or not. Nothing changes. A handful more people won’t change anything. Even several handfuls won’t change anything.

There is often about 10 afk’s by each portal. then I normally see about 5 across the map.

Thats at least 35 players, out of 150………..
are you actually saying that 1/5 players doing NOTHING, won’t make it harder to save 1200 civs?
I mean seriously?
Thats one player in every party doing nothing, not even trying to do something they are doing nothing.
And that isn’t going to have an affect?

Why don’t you do the math and tell us all about it? This isn’t sarcasm. I seriously wanna know the math.

It’s possible to complete a miasma event with 5 people. I did it with 3, but it was rough, so 5 is good. Miasma events are the hardest of the events cause they’re timed. So we’ll give 5 per event for optimal efficiency. There are three Miasma events, three guard events and four regular defend events. Figuring five people per event means all events can be handled with 50 people total. I will allocate another 5 people per rescue group. I know of five major rescue locations, there may be more. Rescuing, though cycles. Once you rescue a group they won’t be back immediate, so it’s probable that one rescue group can easily accommodate two locations. So 25 people on rescue. With 35 AFKers, that leaves 40 people to do whatever they want to for a consistent 1200 rescues.

I think people are missing the point about civs having a timer and fixed locations.

http://i.imgur.com/ASh3J9V.png

I don’t mind cosmetic upgrades that cost gems.. Just that the base (guild hall itself+basic necessities) should be attainable by everyone equally (via pve,pvp or wvw).

Since when is going afk punishable? If they really think that getting the reward without doing anything is an exploit, then they should’ve just changed the mechanics already instead of suspending accounts based on on-the-spot made-up, highly questionable rules without informing people about the change of terms.

I just hope that if they do implement guild halls, they wont be like custom arena kits that costs gems for upkeep. They should require guild currencies, like merit or influence to purchase.

Stormcrow.7513:

The rewards are garbage anyways. It isn’t worth the electricity to sit afk in LA.

This. If anyone is sitting in LA doing nothing, they are doing themselves disservice. People who go to LA to afk for profit via the ultimate citizen bag would’ve realized by now how unrewarding it is.

Taygus.4571:

Kal Spiro.9745:

AFKers are not making it harder to do anything. Other players are doing the same thing they would be doing whether they were there or not. Nothing changes. A handful more people won’t change anything. Even several handfuls won’t change anything.

There is often about 10 afk’s by each portal. then I normally see about 5 across the map.

Thats at least 35 players, out of 150………..
are you actually saying that 1/5 players doing NOTHING, won’t make it harder to save 1200 civs?
I mean seriously?
Thats one player in every party doing nothing, not even trying to do something they are doing nothing.
And that isn’t going to have an affect?

Why don’t you do the math and tell us all about it? This isn’t sarcasm. I seriously wanna know the math.

So we need to be close to anet employees and have them join our TS to understand their policy? We don’t have that privilege.

Taygus.4571:

Leo Paul.1659:

Taygus.4571:

Leo Paul.1659:

Taygus.4571:

Kumu Honua.2751:

Taygus.4571:

They are denying the success of the event!
How is it people can argue differently???

So are the people who are rubble clearing. So are the people who are zerging miasma events. So are the people who don’t know what the are doing, so are the people who are waiting to get rezzed instead of waypointing. So are the people who are running non-zerk gear. So are the people who are underleveled. So are the people who have terrible builds.

Ban them all!

Note: This is sarcasm to make a point.

At least most of these are/were doing something. Not just standing there for free loot.

They are denying the success of the event nevertheless. You’re not gonna go off about intention too, are you?

Actually most people I’ve seen going for rubble encourage/rez a few civs along the way, ..those who died were likelly fighting in an event.

They are doing something!

Players logging in to just afk, make it harder to reach 1200 civs, it’s really that simple.
Then they get loot for doing nothing at all.

While other players had to work harder to reach the tiers.

Pure speculation. Say those afk players were to participate and upscale events then end up denying other players of getting the triple threat achievement? (yay i can use slippery slopes too)

This is getting rediculous.
Are you denying that players enter LA, just to afk for loot?

They stand around wp. (or other ‘safe’ places) using auto run/heal, for the ENTIRE event.

It’s simple, they are getting stuff from other peoples work.

They are getting something for doing nothing at all, and worse, they prevent other active players joining together by taking spots, which makes it near impossible to reach the tier.

Really, how can you defend that??? …unless of course you’re one of those afk’ers.

I’m not denying that people afk for loot. It’s just that if you’re gonna demonize afkers for not contributing, then you have to define what they should be contributing towards. If you mean the citizen counter, there are people who are just as responsible even though they aren’t afk.

Taygus.4571:

Leo Paul.1659:

Taygus.4571:

Kumu Honua.2751:

Taygus.4571:

They are denying the success of the event!
How is it people can argue differently???

So are the people who are rubble clearing. So are the people who are zerging miasma events. So are the people who don’t know what the are doing, so are the people who are waiting to get rezzed instead of waypointing. So are the people who are running non-zerk gear. So are the people who are underleveled. So are the people who have terrible builds.

Ban them all!

Note: This is sarcasm to make a point.

At least most of these are/were doing something. Not just standing there for free loot.

They are denying the success of the event nevertheless. You’re not gonna go off about intention too, are you?

Actually most people I’ve seen going for rubble encourage/rez a few civs along the way, ..those who died were likelly fighting in an event.

They are doing something!

Players logging in to just afk, make it harder to reach 1200 civs, it’s really that simple.
Then they get loot for doing nothing at all.

While other players had to work harder to reach the tiers.

Pure speculation. Say those afk players were to participate and upscale events then end up denying other players of getting the triple threat achievement? (yay i can use slippery slopes too)

Taygus.4571:

Kumu Honua.2751:

Taygus.4571:

They are denying the success of the event!
How is it people can argue differently???

So are the people who are rubble clearing. So are the people who are zerging miasma events. So are the people who don’t know what the are doing, so are the people who are waiting to get rezzed instead of waypointing. So are the people who are running non-zerk gear. So are the people who are underleveled. So are the people who have terrible builds.

Ban them all!

Note: This is sarcasm to make a point.

At least most of these are/were doing something. Not just standing there for free loot.

They are denying the success of the event nevertheless. You’re not gonna go off about intention too, are you?

But I like the zodiac armor.. Just not the buttcape part.

Palador.2170:

Honestly, I’d say that ANet has two problems here.

The first is that it looks like some GM or Dev took it upon themselves to act beyond policy. That’s… really, REALLY bad. Even if you agree with their actions, that’s bad. If they get away with it once, they may do it again. And next time, you might be the one they target. There’s no telling what sets off this particular person, maybe they’re on the verge of snapping about all the anti-Berserker rants. Maybe you’ll get banned for your equipment, or for being an “obvious” bear-bow ranger. Or maybe a bug will pop up with a racial skill, and they’ll start swinging the banhammer at anyone playing that race that they think is abusing said bug.

The second problem is the AFK timer itself. It has two problems. The first is that in some places, it needs to be on a shorter timer. In a combat zone event such as LA, it should be 15 minutes. The second problem with it is what it times. If you set yourself to run into a wall, it never kicks you even if you’re AFK. But if you stand still while answering questions and coordinating people between map chat, private tells, and team speak? It’ll target you, even though you’re actually incredibly active with the game at that moment. It needs to check for actual keyboard/mouse USE to reset the timer, so running into a wall doesn’t work. (And lots of RPers would thank you for that, as talking to people would be enough to keep them from getting kicked mid-RP.)

I completely agree. I just hope Anet is able to create better events in the future and learn from the issues that arose from this chapter.

timmyf.1490:

Leo Paul.1659:

timmyf.1490:

Leo Paul.1659:

timmyf.1490:

Here’s a fun thing to try: at 10 past the hour, go to Canal Ward and write down the names of all the players standing there. At 40 past the hour, go back and compare names.

You think it’s innocent, 5-minute AFKing? This should disabuse you of that notion.

And they should be punished because? How about the people who jump overflows to earn several heirlooms?

Is this a cultural thing? Is there a reason that lots of people think this behavior is okay?

I’m confused because this not only seems wrong to me, it seems OBVIOUSLY wrong. To others, it seems OBVIOUSLY okay.

There’s something here that I don’t quite understand that’s leading us to such wildly different conclusions.

Maybe… I dunno either. TBH, I do get why people are upset, but I don’t believe that anyone should be penalized for standing idly.

My problem isn’t just that they idle.

My problem is that that idle in order to get rewards taking up valuable slots on the main server.

It sucks to not be able to play with guildmates because our server is hardcapped and there’s a dozen people idling by the waypoint.

As i’ve said previously, no one is denying anyone a spot to participate in the event by attending. That’s what overflows are for. You can enter one and have your guildies join you there. If taking up space is a violation, it should be clarified to the players and applied to all events. Kicking and suspending accounts randomly is poor practice imho. Define the terms; set rules transparently and clearly.

timmyf.1490:

Leo Paul.1659:

timmyf.1490:

Here’s a fun thing to try: at 10 past the hour, go to Canal Ward and write down the names of all the players standing there. At 40 past the hour, go back and compare names.

You think it’s innocent, 5-minute AFKing? This should disabuse you of that notion.

And they should be punished because? How about the people who jump overflows to earn several heirlooms?

Is this a cultural thing? Is there a reason that lots of people think this behavior is okay?

I’m confused because this not only seems wrong to me, it seems OBVIOUSLY wrong. To others, it seems OBVIOUSLY okay.

There’s something here that I don’t quite understand that’s leading us to such wildly different conclusions.

Maybe… I dunno either. TBH, I do get why people are upset, but I don’t believe that anyone should be penalized for standing idly.

Can someone pm me the secret stuff location? :X My eyes are bleeding in trying to find em.

I actually like the atlas too.. because of it i was able to remember the kasmeer loading screen from nightmare within and use it as my wallpaper!

timmyf.1490:

Here’s a fun thing to try: at 10 past the hour, go to Canal Ward and write down the names of all the players standing there. At 40 past the hour, go back and compare names.

You think it’s innocent, 5-minute AFKing? This should disabuse you of that notion.

And they should be punished because? How about the people who jump overflows to earn several heirlooms?

I can’t get past 6/9

Can’t wait to take back lion’s arch. There’s no place to afk like home.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

I can’t really find where they defined extended unattended play as macros, etc., but I guess I missed it.

Regardless, it is their game. And we all agreed to let them administer it however they see fit.

Whatever happened to good faith i.e. to deal fairly and openly with consumers? :/

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

I don’t think it was ever officially called an exploit. Rather an abuse of the event’s reward system. I am not sure it matters what it is labelled as.

It clearly states in the ToS that extended unattended play is not allowed, and this is a game owned by ArenaNet, who makes the rules, and enforces them as they see fit. It is a privilege to play, and their right to administer the game.

You can always choose to play elsewhere, and, of course, state your opinions constructively.

EXTENDED unattended play. Such as using 3pp and macros.

OmaiGodman.2098:

Just because you don’t like something doesn’t make it a “crime against fashion”. Also, before complaining about crimes against fashion, stop committing crimes against the English language.

LOL chill. Nobody is asking Anet to take out these armors.

Coz crime against fashion is srz bzns. I support the hiding of butt capes especially on the female light zodiac armor.

LOL at the amount of self-righteousness in this thread. “If they aren’t doing something I want them to do, ban them! Rawr”. Such fierce.

As Teofa said, if there is a change in policy about going afk, it should be transparent. Right now we only have rumors going about with no idea about the specifics and it sounds very dictatorial.

100 gems? :O

/15

Just now, someone in LA was castigating other players for scouring rubbles. Other players asked him how many citizens they had to rescue so they can play how they want or have the “privilege” of going for a break. Some people’s line of reasoning here is so close to doing just that – whining and kittening in their attempt to enforce their gameplay to everyone else.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

Leo Paul.1659:

JustTrogdor.7892:

Leo Paul.1659:

If it’s an emergency would you really go back to your game to get your character out of LA? -_- Helping the community = forcing you to play a certain way? What if I just like going into LA for extra profit while playing the TP?

Good grief. Keep trying to defend AFK leeching all you want. Okay, yeah if your house is on fire then I guess it is okay to AFK. LOL

No one is forcing you to play a certain way, but if you take part in the LA event where a significant part requires actually participating then you should be willing to participate in one way or another. Unless you house catches fire. HAHA

Nothing in the mechanics require me to do anything to get the citizen supply bags. How does one measure contribution? I’m also playing the game, just not how you want me to. You want to penalize people because they’re getting rewards just for standing idly while chatting or for playing the TP or heck, have their houses on fire instead of saving citizens? Then they shouldn’t have designed it that way in the first place.

As the players who keep defending this like to say, it was a design flaw. Taking advantage of a design flaw is exploiting the game. Using an exploit is against the TOS.
So by the arguments given here my the AFK crowd, in their own words, they are using an exploit and should be suspended/banned.

End of story.

There is no bug or glitch or game vulnerability to exploit in this regard. If it was a design flaw then it should’ve been fixed days ago. People are just not playing how you want them to.

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

Leablo.2651:

ShiningSquirrel.3751:

What I would like to see is instead of a 72 hour suspension, a suspension for the entire duration of the LS arc. They don’t want to play anyway so the afkers should have no issue with that.

AFKing to get free stuff is a bona fide Guild Wars tradition. See every festival in GW1. If you don’t enjoy getting free stuff, then you’re the one who isn’t a good fit for this game or its core community.

It’s just like when your cool uncle throws a bbq – he’s paying for all that food, doing all the work to cook and clean, and you’re technically just mooching, but everyone is having a good time being there for their own reasons. That’s community.

Being the guy at a potluck who gets kitteny because one of the other guests didn’t bring a dish is just sad. Perhaps there’s a game out there that is better suited for all the tryhards that have infested the GW community.

Apples and oranges. Standing around in LA in GW1 for event loot did not effect the outcome for any other players. Doing the same thing in LA now has a detrimental effect on other players and effects their game negatively. If it was only 1 or 2 players it would not make any difference, but it is getting out of hand. When you see 30+ players on a single map standing around doing nothing while everyone else does all the work for them, that’s when the ban hammer needs to come down. There is no defense for doing this, there is no legitimate argument. The players doing this are hurting the community and need to be dealt with. No amount of excuses can change that.

Do you get DC when someone stands idly? Does it prevent you from playing the event altogether? So again it boils down to rewards and YOUR definition of fun?

JustTrogdor.7892:

Leo Paul.1659:

If it’s an emergency would you really go back to your game to get your character out of LA? -_- Helping the community = forcing you to play a certain way? What if I just like going into LA for extra profit while playing the TP?

Good grief. Keep trying to defend AFK leeching all you want. Okay, yeah if your house is on fire then I guess it is okay to AFK. LOL

No one is forcing you to play a certain way, but if you take part in the LA event where a significant part requires actually participating then you should be willing to participate in one way or another. Unless you house catches fire. HAHA

Nothing in the mechanics require me to do anything to get the citizen supply bags. How does one measure contribution? I’m also playing the game, just not how you want me to. You want to penalize people because they’re getting rewards just for standing idly while chatting or for playing the TP or heck, have their houses on fire instead of saving citizens? Then they shouldn’t have designed it that way in the first place.

JustTrogdor.7892:

Leo Paul.1659:

JustTrogdor.7892:

Leo Paul.1659:

JustTrogdor.7892:

Leo Paul.1659:

That’s the thing, why are they doing that? How do they know that person isn’t afk because of something important? That sounds very dictatorial.

Perhaps they are watching people AFK for long periods of time using things like auto-cast on their heal skill or auto-run into a wall to avoid kick timer. It is one thing to AFK for several minutes to use the bathroom, take a quick call or what not. It is another thing to auto-run at the gate during the pre-event to make sure you get in right away and then stand at the entrance for 20+ minutes. If someone has to be AFK for longer than say 15 minutes maybe they should exit and give someone else their spot.

Why should anyone give up his/her spot in an event just because he needs to do something important IRL for more than 15 minutes? That’s what overflows are for in the first place. He’s not denying anyone their right to participate in the game by keeping his spot. It’s not like people who can’t get in main can’t play the event entirely.

It’s called being considerate of other players. Something a lot of people in this game and most MMOs seem to lack. If something is so important that they cannot actively participate in an event for an extended period of time they should go take care of that important business and let someone else play for the rewards. If you are not contributing during the event then you are just taking up space. Say, you afk for 18 minutes and the rescue mission for 1200 is a close call. That is 18 minutes you are not helping and taking a spot from someone that might be willing to do rescues. Anyway I just threw 15 minutes out there as it is a significant part of the LA event time frame.

What if it was an emergency? It’s not like we can determine the intent of everyone who goes into the event either. If it’s solely on contribution, then people who run the event for heirlooms and ignores citizens altogether are just as accountable. Or that person who follows people as a quaggan.

That’s why they shouldn’t have designed the event this way. If they want to limit player accessibility to event rewards based on their participation then they should’ve just implemented individual citizen counters instead.

If it is an emergency then playing a game should be the least of your worries. This event is designed well. It requires people to cooperate for maximum rewards and for the most part at this point in the event most people do. You can try defend extended AFK all you want but people that do so are not helping the community and not really playing. They are just trying to cash in on everyone else’s group effort. If the rumors of people getting kicked for extended AFK are true I give Anet a thumbs up.

If it’s an emergency would you really go back to your game to get your character out of LA? -_- Helping the community = forcing you to play a certain way? What if I just like going into LA for extra profit while playing the TP?

JustTrogdor.7892:

Leo Paul.1659:

JustTrogdor.7892:

Leo Paul.1659:

That’s the thing, why are they doing that? How do they know that person isn’t afk because of something important? That sounds very dictatorial.

Perhaps they are watching people AFK for long periods of time using things like auto-cast on their heal skill or auto-run into a wall to avoid kick timer. It is one thing to AFK for several minutes to use the bathroom, take a quick call or what not. It is another thing to auto-run at the gate during the pre-event to make sure you get in right away and then stand at the entrance for 20+ minutes. If someone has to be AFK for longer than say 15 minutes maybe they should exit and give someone else their spot.

Why should anyone give up his/her spot in an event just because he needs to do something important IRL for more than 15 minutes? That’s what overflows are for in the first place. He’s not denying anyone their right to participate in the game by keeping his spot. It’s not like people who can’t get in main can’t play the event entirely.

It’s called being considerate of other players. Something a lot of people in this game and most MMOs seem to lack. If something is so important that they cannot actively participate in an event for an extended period of time they should go take care of that important business and let someone else play for the rewards. If you are not contributing during the event then you are just taking up space. Say, you afk for 18 minutes and the rescue mission for 1200 is a close call. That is 18 minutes you are not helping and taking a spot from someone that might be willing to do rescues. Anyway I just threw 15 minutes out there as it is a significant part of the LA event time frame.

What if it was an emergency? It’s not like we can determine the intent of everyone who goes into the event either. If it’s solely on contribution, then people who run the event for heirlooms and ignores citizens altogether are just as accountable. Or that person who follows people as a quaggan.

That’s why they shouldn’t have designed the event this way. If they want to limit player accessibility to event rewards based on their participation then they should’ve just implemented individual citizen counters instead.

JustTrogdor.7892:

Leo Paul.1659:

That’s the thing, why are they doing that? How do they know that person isn’t afk because of something important? That sounds very dictatorial.

Perhaps they are watching people AFK for long periods of time using things like auto-cast on their heal skill or auto-run into a wall to avoid kick timer. It is one thing to AFK for several minutes to use the bathroom, take a quick call or what not. It is another thing to auto-run at the gate during the pre-event to make sure you get in right away and then stand at the entrance for 20+ minutes. If someone has to be AFK for longer than say 15 minutes maybe they should exit and give someone else their spot.

Why should anyone give up his/her spot and forfeitthe reward in an event just because he needs to do something important IRL for more than 15 minutes? That’s what overflows are for in the first place. He’s not denying anyone their right to participate in the game by keeping his spot. It’s not like people who can’t get in main can’t play the event entirely.

That’s the thing, why are they doing that? How do they know that person isn’t afk because of something important? That sounds very dictatorial.

What if I like playing the TP.. and instead of doing it in Gendarran fields, I decided to do it in LA for 45 minutes? Is there a list somewhere on where flipping is allowed or not in pve?

Manasa Devi.7958:

Leo Paul.1659:

That’s griefing. -_- How do you know that that person went AFK because he just wants to leech or is doing something important IRL?

How do you know he’s not going to thank you and run off to play after you revive him?

Wut?