Guild Wars 2

Valleria Darkmoon.4506:

Which raises an interesting question.

EB, why are you so content to just accept your fate as the peasants upon whom YB plant their flag? What do you get out of this? YB has the opportunity to help you boost your stats as well yet they are quite content to just let you finish last and EB, you seem so content to just let YB stand on your chest and kitten in your mouth. All partnerships have some inequity and it is easy to see what YB gets out of this, you on the other hand get nothing but the privilege of letting YB kitten on you without so much as raising a hand to you. This is doormat to the highest power.

Then again, I don’t recall calling either of you smart enough to figure these things out on your own or even implying it.

What you seem incapable of understanding is the mindset of Ehmry Bay. Ehmry Bay has consistently performed well enough to place second in the majority of its matchups, but not well enough to place somewhere that the seasons rewards are supposed to be anything interesting.

Going into this matchup, the prediction was that Yaks and SBI would both wafflestomp us no matter what kind of resistance we had, and we’d come third. Being the “peasants upon whom YB plant their flag” quite literally means nothing to us because we entered resigned to placing third. Any possibility of us placing second only really came at the end of the weekend. Still, I think a lot of us are content to give as many ‘F. You’s to SBI that avoiding Yaks a little bit is no big deal. The thing that you are assuming about our server is that we give any sort of mind about PPT and our placement in the leagues. Don’t go on some diatribe about Ebay being subordinate to Yaks until you really consider the situation. Yaks cares about their placement in the league. We don’t. Some of them avoid our things to focus SBI (which is smart) and we carry on defending our things and enjoying the hilarity on the forums when SBI’s score is barely competing with Ebay’s.

I know that for Void, the matchup is very similar to any other. We may choose to hit SBI first, but after that’s done, any Yaks that initiate a fight will get a fight.

Nikkinella.8254:

Where are all these conspiracy theories coming from about us having an alliance? Its not like we need an alliance when we can do this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptqgjebbL6M&feature=c4-overview&list=UU_c5me8szrav_8syKKweGew

I’m sorry, but this is just a video of you guys bringing far too many golems into an unsieged, undefended, unupgraded SM. It’s not really impressive aside from you guys having enough supply to pull it off. Show me a 10 man taking an upgraded SM with defenders and I’ll be impressed. As it stands Ebay’s taken SM with as much ease as you did in the video, except we use a treb or two and then a few rams.
You also headed to SBI’s keep and then just… stopped. Disappointments are disappointing.

JetLu.1874:

I’d like to know, how a dead, not downed, but totally dead player’s health kept rejuvenating until he rose from the dead. You could actually see the red health bar increasing. Void was the guild. How do I know, because this player actually arose and started fighting. I am thinking that YB and EB are using quite a few exploits in the matchup. Cheating is for losers.

I think this mesmer was me. All I can say is that you should make friends with some thieves. They’re really nice people. And that stealth! I think we were running two, so it was pretty easy to perma-stealth and res me from my lag-induced death. Kinda insulted that you didn’t mention how pretty I am. #BestDressedSylvariNA

Maladon.5760:

Agreed. Good fight at Mendon’s last night YB/Ebay! It looked bad when both servers tried to siege us out of the lord’s room but our smaller than usual EB pug zerg put together a nice push and wiped Ebay then took out the Yaks on the wall. Pretty much nonstop fighting all night for us, good times.

Not that your group there wasn’t great, but Yaks was firing on us with Arrow Carts like a bunch of kitten s. Our driver acknowledged me at the end of the night for the worst call of the night when I said I was bored and wanted to push in.

Maladon.5760:

Last night for example, we had a huge fight for SM on two fronts…Yaks from the north and Ebay from the south. It was a blast. Eventually Ebay made the cap and had to turn the castle over to Yaks after the five minute RI timer but it was awesome while it lasted.

Also from last night: SBI losing SM and then running away from Void all night. We really tried to fight you guys. We swapped guild tags. We let you into inner SM. We chased you all over the map, but you only stood up and fought when we were at Klovan. It’s hard for us to say that you’re weaker at fights because the fights just don’t happen. It’s an excellent strategy, because it means we can’t take anything, but it’s almost as boring as the ‘alliance’ that Ebay and Yaks have.

Adahilia.3678:

The most amusing thing about this post is that 1) took you guys double teaming to do it (can’t wait for the ebay tears next week) and 2) the fact that you are on the forums gloating about it.

Also hilarious will be when Ebay is not crying next week because we know exactly what we’re getting into. We’re going to have to scrap with BP to get second next week. The possibility of us finishing in any position higher than 5th is nearly 0%. We are aware. Why would there be a ebay tears next week?

Also, FA: why are you in our thread?

[Void] had lots of fun tonight, except SBI kept running away from us back to Klovan where they had their arrow carts and fancy Anet guy. We were able to fight SBI a few times, but unfortunately some Yaks kitten s decided to get in the way, arrowcarting us as we fought SBI, even though they were trebbing a Yaks tower… (but seriously, we needed to run to the other side of the map to find an SBI group that stayed put). Overall fun night, though.

Darth.4329:

Never do you see 2 servers blobs run side by side and target the third server.
And that is what we are seeing in every map.

I think that if you looked really hard at your sentence, you would see your own undoing.

And as far as the matchup goes, Ebay is really good at coming in second. Focus first place when it comes in handy, but in general feast on the misfortunes of another server. Take Yaks’ paper and hole-riddled garrison (in SBI bl) because it’s paper and we could. Take SM from Yaks when we can. Focus SBI because that’s the only way we’ll have a chance at second this week. It’s tactics, not alliances. Perhaps some guilds are acknowledging that and not attacking Yaks when they don’t have to.

[Void] was in SBI bl and EBG tonight, and we hit Yaks when we could or when we needed to, but for the most part we took what was paper and/or easy to take, fighting along the way. It just so happens that SBI lost out because of it. I laughed when we saw Yaks causing orange swords on SBI’s keep, so we rushed in an took SM for a 4th time tonight. It’s not because we’re aligned. It’s just coincidence. Thanks for the epic lewt!

Just recently we had every single person on our server (that was in EBG at the time) face against what must be the same from FA. The problem? We had maybe 30 people and they had at least 60. Zerging is one thing that Anet needs to deal with, but that’s for another topic. I’m more wondering about the nature of the outmanned buff?

In map chat, some people said that only one server at a time can be outmanned. Isn’t this a bit ridiculous? If one server has 10 people on the map, another has 30 and another has 60, shouldn’t both the smaller servers get outmanned buffs? Does the outmanned buff go to only one server, or can two servers have it simultaneously? Partially for my curiosity and partially because it may be something that could be changed at some point. Maybe.

brandon.6735:

Think i lost what respect i had for DiE. I don’t think i ever seen some much kitten before. :P It really show the maturity lvl they have from these post.

This made me laugh.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Melanion.4892:

I had fun tonight, but FA seemed off their game. Most of the bigger guilds weren’t on EBG apparently. Also, lol at the FA group (I think it was BLOB, but it might have been GLOB) that wanted to run in to Anz and just… didn’t because we waited outside the door until the lord was dead. So much lewt.

Quite a lot of them were in Ehmry Bay Borderlands, and probably in the other ones, guaranteeing they’d keep their stuff in those maps. In the long run, Eternal really isn’t that useful for points…the borderlands are.

Ebay Bl was queued, probably full of FA and Ebay. We made use of the people we had by helping us tick at +400 for a number of tallies. I’d say that in the long run, any opportunity for us to tick higher than CD is an opportunity worth taking. FA’s winning this matchup, and last time we fought CD, they caught up mid-week.

clipnotdone.9634:

RazGerb.6173:

clipnotdone.9634:

I’m just gonna leave this here.

I really don’t see whats wrong there, it’s just generic Eternal combat, with the Stronger server constantly pushing out of SM While EB Tries to defend their keep against a Blob server like yours.

About the exact response I was expecting.

EB is only loosing because they don’t have anybody playing, that zerg in the screenshot?
Nope, doesn’t exist.

Last night when FA had outmanned during oceanic times?
Nah, that’d never happen.

It wasn’t to long ago that FA were in the exact spot you are in now, the matchup threads are still there.

You know what I was going in EB yesterday?
Reading.
There were less than 10 FA players in EB, we had everything and I was sitting in Orgath digging into a good book because you lot weren’t even trying.

I don’t understand the majority of what you intended with this post, but I assume you mean to say that the group in this photo is a zerg that is mindlessly attacking you and your three friends? Because I was there, and we just came back from wafflestomping 30+ FA near Umber before stopping to res our friend on the bridge. Also, lol, mortars on dead bodies.

I had fun tonight, but FA seemed off their game. Most of the bigger guilds weren’t on EBG apparently. Also, lol at the FA group (I think it was BLOB, but it might have been GLOB) that wanted to run in to Anz and just… didn’t because we waited outside the door until the lord was dead. So much lewt.

I’m not necessarily trying to say that skill lag and FPS are the same, but I’ve found that the two go hand in hand. Low FPS means incredibly slow skill usage (sometimes no skill usage) for me. I just avoid situations where that’s necessary. I have no doubt that skill lag has been reduced, but I’m still hearing a fair bit about it. We also get an odd moment where none of your skills will work unless you waypoint, map-change or relog your game. Possibly not skill lag, but I don’t like the idea of a thread sitting here with only a “gg anet, everything’s fixed, your game now works as intended.”

Side note: new computer comes by the end of the month, but at the moment I’m running a system that is above the lowest recommended by Anet. Either change that recommendation, or cater to your clients that have essentially been lied to.

I have to disagree. I still get horrendous skill lag. It’s not AS BAD as it was a few weeks ago, but where before I was gettin 2-3 FPS, I’m now getting 4-5. If this is the “fix” to lag, I’m unimpressed.

NargofWoV.4267:

I don’t get it… I don’t. Last night in EB on Gold League, we had 35-40 guys zerging around and taking keeps, the castle, etc… We ran head long into biggers zergs several times and won and lost. 50-60 player zergs. Just because you have fewer, doesn’t mean you can’t win. We basically took everything we tried to take. The times we lost open field we got taken by surprise, well the commander did, he froze heh.

I don’t understand, “out manned”.

The problem is you’re telling me to assemble my own group of 30 people. My guild consistently has 25-30 online for raid times, but outside of that (especially at night), you’d be hard pressed to find more than 20 people around that are willing to run in such a group. Sometimes you can, but then people start going to sleep and by midnight last night, we had 15 people (from multiple guilds, mind you) fighting a group of 30 or 40. You can hold them off for so long, but then more people log off. Then you’re left with 5 to 10 against their 30 and because they aren’t incredibly bad at the game, they will win.

I don’t mind the presence of flowers, even. Just move them a little away from the mercenary camps so I can run through without them easier. The big problem is the random spawning of toxic folks elsewhere on the map.

And to those of you that say WvW players asked for this, I don’t know how many ACTUALLY cared. A small group asked for it, Anet said yes. The majority of WvW players I know have no idea what the living story is. Those that do are completing it in PvE because it is by all means easier to complete in PvE. Also, considering the queues that the higher (and therefore more important) tiers are complaining about, I would think that completing the living story in WvW is the least of their worries, what with the time they have to spend in PvE waiting for their queue to pop.

[Void] had lots of fun in IoJ bl tonight! I don’t know who we were fighting, but I enjoyed it thoroughly.

Tyrion.5764:

Video of Reset night check 2:00 min look [DIE] runnin to the PUZZLE to survive ??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQgD14di4n4

Convenient video editing is convenient. It’s almost as if there were no moments in your night where you actually had any fights. Oh wait…

Why do we have the giant blue flowers in WvW? It’s not in any way relevant to WvW and it interferes with the “game type.” I get that you want to force us into the living story that the rest of us have ignored, but perhaps don’t put it in a place that’s so in the way. How many people that actively WvW actually do any of this content instead of run past it?

I don’t know what you were doing for the whole week, but we don’t run many thieves on Ehmry. We have one guild that has a lot of thieves, so sometimes they troll around a bit. Otherwise, it’s probably a lot of people disappointed by the endless zerging of DB and CD that took up solo-roaming with one of the best solo-roaming classes. If you really want to reduce the number of thieves you’re fighting, consider running in multiple groups of ~20 instead of one blob of ~60. It does wonders for your personal enjoyment.

DevonCarver.5370:

So, if prices for server transfers were based on WvW population, what would a fair distribution of costs look like from the lowest population servers to the highest? Keep in mind that making it completely impossible to transfer to a server puts a burden on other players. That doesn’t mean that you couldn’t have an incredibly high price, just that completely blocked isn’t an option.

While I agree that this is not the main problem with WvW, this is something that could be easily altered.

At the moment, server populations (in NA) are either High or Very High (I don’t think there’s a full anymore). This is a bit of a problem when deciding which server to join when it comes to WvW. Ehmry Bay, for example, was recently listed as a Very High population server, right alongside Jade Quarry and the other incredibly stacked servers. This meant that some friends of mine that wanted to transfer back to Ebay to escape the queues has to shell out 1800 gems to return. If it’s impossible to solve server population inequalities, perhaps a more indicative population indicator and prices based off of that would be helpful. Servers that are obviously in need of transfers could be listed as 400 gems as a low, gradually moving up to 2000 or 2500 gems for the very full servers (assuming that the ‘Very High’ servers that are actually not that full are no longer lumped with the others).

This would not solve the majority of WvW problems, but it may alleviate some of the pressure from top tier servers. Since it costs the same to transfer to most of the servers, why bother choosing a lower-ranked one, even if it means hellishly long queues.

As far as solving the greater popularity disparity issues, I don’t know if it will be possible without Anet actually taking a stand that will likely be unpopular. The original “There will be queues if you all stack. You have been warned” has been undermined by the development of a queue-relief map. What may have been a way to force people to consider transferring is now just something that they will be waiting out. There is no kind way for ANet to tell players that stack servers that they’re shooting themselves in the foot with queues, and refusing to implement penalties on larger zergs means that we will inevitably not see a solution to population troubles.

Ebay North Camp was ridiculous. Void had ~20 people online and we were called in thinking it was an exaggerated 60-man CD zerg. I don’t know how exaggerated that was. Took some tries to get our pugs in order, but once we did it felt good to FINALLY wipe you.

To the CD group that was insistent on portalling a group of less than half your size, I commend you for sticking to your tactics. I’d be a bit bored acting so passively, but whatever works for you. You probably could have rolled over us, considering you needed to use 3+ portals to get everyone through and we had maybe 25. Then we waited outside a tower for you to come play and nothing happened, so we took your Bay.

I know that it sucks when people exploit, but I’ve seen crazy AC exploits so many times and even reported them so many times that I’ve stopped caring (not to excuse that kind of action, but if this is your first encounter with it you’re either not paying attention or you’re new to the game). Anet has made it clear that their intention has never been to fix these issues.

As long as you don’t go to BP. They hold grudges and I’ve heard their server is falling apart.

I don’t pay attention to Gold League things, but it’s inevitable that in a system where 3 servers are far better than the other 3 in their tier, there will be a number of matchups where 1 of the 3 teams is split and things get “unfair.” This is more a systemic problem than a schedule problem.

Scheduling problems are things like certain servers being stuck with the same colour 6/7 weeks. I’ll be blue for the majority of the season. Someone else mentioned the same on their server. It’s not like this is something that’s hard to fix…

I’ve had skills stop working even in spawn before. It’s not skill lag, because it behaves differently. It’s just not being able to do anything.

I’m used to at least SOME lag, but whenever there are a lot of people fighting and causing lag, we’ve taken to holding back until people die and the lag reduces. That, or confusion bombing because throwing down a glamour field is about all I can do.

I feel like everyone needs to understand the way that numbers work. Sure, your guild may only have 20 people, but then pugs and randoms follow you, and quickly your “guild group” becomes 20 + 20 pugs, which makes 40, no matter how unorganized they may be.

Even when we don’t run a tag, Void gathers a tail of people from outside the guild. Yes, we can run 20 or 30 people, but people keep tagging along (not necessarily a bad thing) and then our numbers are quickly 40 or 50. As someone who has seen GLOB around, I have seen you running in smaller groups, probably 25 with pugs, but I’ve also seen you as part of a larger group of 40+. In my mind, running 20 people of a 40 man group makes that you running 40 people. Maybe not everyone is the same, but that’s just how things go. Pugs aren’t ALWAYS worth a lot, but when they know something about what’s going on, they can turn a fight quickly. (Overall, though, GLOB is one of the guilds that we actually look out for on Yaks… otherwise we primarily see blobs)

Also, to whoever’s trying to describe siege creeping and failing: first, you fail so hard. Second, the problem with siege creep from a server that overpowers another is that we quickly lose respect. It is not the use of open-field siege that is the issue, it’s the fact that you choose to slowly move forward and build siege along the way so that there is no time when you are not both outnumbering us and manning siege. I don’t mind open-field siege, mostly, but when you outnumber someone, just push in a wipe them already. I can’t tell you how often my guild could have been wiped if the enemy just rushed inside, but they didn’t, and then we wiped them.

I don’t think Devon really understood. The problem is not necessarily that there is a queue, it’s that the queue doesn’t seem to select people in the order that they queue up. There are players who have been in queue for 30 minutes that are bypassed by someone that queues for the borderland and gets in within 5, before the first guy is able to escape the queue.

Yes, the new map will try to fix the queue problem, but it is more to address the issue of queues existing, not the queue choosing apparently random players to let in.

I think they mentioned a break between season 1 and 2. The break would cause matchups to ‘randomize’ again, then in season 2 I’d assume the matchups would be decided similarly.

If you get wxp from pvdooring, you will get the achievement, I’ve found. Alternatively, you could find a nice cata spot with guildies and take turns taking walls and gates down.

Ebay has had queues on reset, and they were only about 5 minutes for enemy borderlands. Eternal and home were between 5 and 30 minutes. Outside of reset night, we have maybe 5 minute queues on home bl and eternal, and that’s it. Off-peak, there’s never a queue.
We’re not going to be winning many matchups, but driving PvE players into WvW is nice if you can deal with them. It’s a bit frustrating when they queue a borderland and then lose everything, but they’re learning, and the lack of queue means they may be able to learn quicker than other servers. Plus, there’s always a nice fight.

The only thing that needs work is lag. So:

1) Lag.

Blobs can be outdone by better blobs, or more skilled, smaller blobs… as long as skill lag doesn’t kick in. Queues can easily be sorted out… lower tier servers have little to nothing in terms of queues, so either put up with queues or leave the server you’re on. Queues are largely the product of greedy folks transferring to higher ranked servers and expecting things to go well. Anet is working on some kind of overflow map, but it won’t be up for quite a while. Until then, put up with it, or leave your server. There are plenty of lower tier server that would like some love. Rewards in wvw are fine. They could be improved, but again, it’s not necessary. I fail to see anything else in wvw that is as potentially game breaking as the lag.

Last I heard, server lag was something that was being looked into and slowly (very slowly) improved, but I’ve heard nothing since then, and nothing concrete. Any new information on this?

ilr.9675:

^ uhh …. eles can’t equip cobalt dude. It’s a GS.

I meant he could have followed me as I ran through with MY cobalt. And I feel less bad about it today because some Yaks and BP were killing folks in their.

Last night, I had to kill a Yaks Ele in the dark room. I’m sorry, but you put me in combat with your stupid torch, so I was forced to kill you to break combat. No hard feelings, I hope. Next time, use the fields that show where you’d cast spells to see through the dark (or just use my Cobalt to see).

I’m going to hold off on judgment until the map is actually implemented, but I can see a lot of potential problems. Forcing higher servers to wait in queues is really the only thing that lower wvw-population servers had in terms of making people from the top transfer down. Again, we’ll need to see how many PvE players are driven into wvw by the new leagues, but I assume they’ll stay long enough for their achievement points and then bounce.

If this isn’t done right, it won’t bring disaster, but it will mean that unless Anet does something to combat higher tier overpopulation, then we’ll forever be stuck with the way things are. People will continue to transfer up, and the lower population servers will struggle to not lose more players when we lose due to sheer coverage.

I actually really enjoy that VLK went for the rifle warrior group. We’ve tried running a bunch of trollish groups like that, too (like when we all used our summons, like minions, spirit weapons, etc), but it takes a certain mindset. If I were in your position, and I have been, I would probably do the same. Especially if you’re not wanting to gain points this week.

Bronze starts at 16

Oozo.7856:

To the Ebay who queued every single zone for this matchup but were totally absent when Ebay was fighting higher tier opponents, go kitten yourselves.

This. The last couple weeks that we’ve been getting absolutely slammed outside of NA prime time (and even sometimes inside NA prime), most of these people were NOWHERE to be seen. We had our guild groups going, but probably less than 100 people total at prime, maybe 40 outside prime (maximum), with less coming later in the week.

On another note, I know that my guild learned a lot from fighting groups that either outnumbered us or were just better than us (or both). If some of you guys wanted to work on honing your skills and trying new tactics, I’d recommend it. We did the same against Maguuma and some of the other servers with really big blobs (Ark is probably the group that we learned the most from).

I’d be happy with anything from a 10s to 20s internal cool down. I have a feeling it will be 30 seconds, which may be pushing it. Anything more than 30 seconds will cause me to run 4 of these runes and 2 mad king or nightmare runes. If these people were still dying with 5 stacks of confusion (albeit for 15 seconds) at 20 seconds intervals, I’d argue lern2play. Because 5 stacks isn’t that much and most classes should be able to either clear conditions, run away or flat out kill the enemy before being taken down by that confusion alone.

Toble.2968:

We have been on at those same times and have been in be. Many times when we run into a group, it’s main objective is to enter the nearest structure until they can be assured they outnumber us.

I admit, it is smart for ppt, but this match seems to be one of the most I enjoyable yet. At least sbi fought us open field with their guilds.

I guess that’s how wvw goes tho. No hard feelings it is just getting stale.

I started looking out for you guys after your first post. Last night, you were running at least 30 people (probably more with non-guildies), which is probably one of your first problems. Most of the guilds that open-field on Ebay have ~20 people online during raids, so we’re obviously going to get mobbed by you guys. Mid-raid, I noticed you guys only because you were lagging my computer to death. I’d suggest that if you really wanted fair, open field fights, set something up or run with fewer people. The only other guild I know about that runs with so many people in your style is Pyro. Lots of people, but you can’t really tell if they’re good of if they just outnumber you.

Also, there was a nice three-way fight near Anz earlier in the night, where Yaks was composed predominantly of [Os] and after NSP were killed you guys ran away from Ebay, even though the numbers were clearly in your favour.

Toble.2968:

eBay is a t8 server for a reason, I understand this, but do you guys really frown upon open field fights that much? Only early in the night did we ever get any and then we found ourselves watching full blobs running into structures when went to eb to look for fights.

Just know that Os enjoys the fights and if we are in eh, that’s what we are there for, so don’t be shy! We know eBay has organized guilds ready to fight and Yb too!

If you’re specifically looking for open field fights, the majority of our guilds run between 6 and 11 pacific time, and outside of that period/nearing the beginning or end of it, you’ll find us in a hodgepodge group from many guilds. They probably won’t be doing much open field fighting because pugs aren’t always in teamspeak/paying attention to what’s happening.

I also didn’t see Os at all last night, so I don’t know where you were looking for fights (my guild was in EBG). I don’t even know what server you’re on. I know that we fought Yaks and NSP a lot through the night. Then Yaks came along with a mega-zerg and we stopped directly engaging them with our 20-30 people.

Nobody asked for wxp through laurels, but I doubt they invested much time in it. And while I’m disappointed that wxp has forced me to reduce my alt play-time, the increase in stats from exotic weapon to ascended weapon is relatively minimal. It’s something to work towards, yes, but my guildies that now have the ascended weapons aren’t noticing that much of a difference. Ascended armor, on the other hand, may be another story, but ascended weapons aren’t that much of a stat improvement.

kartek.6428:

someone say something to incite some rage plz and thank

Ark hides behind arrow carts and perplexity runes. Kthxbai

I feel bad for Anet. No matter what, someone’s going to walk away from this angry. I am actually incredibly impressed that a Dev responded, and kinda sad that this response (although it is probably as much as he can do) will just make people more upset.

I assume they’re working on a gvg system (hopefully more than an 8v8 system), and it will come when it comes. Until then, we have found a way to gvg even with the bloodlust system. Let’s accept that and move on. If GvG wants to become a thing, it will become a thing. It’s kind of inevitable. It may take ages, but it will happen. Give it some time.

Deli.1302:

Melanion.4892:

Why not 3 tiers of 8?

It’s like everyone forgot that there was a number between 2 and 4… This would make it 1-8, 9-16, 17-24. Ideally, I’d like tiers of 6 so there’s less face-stomping, but I’d think 1 vs 8 would be far less bad than 1 vs 12. Likewise, 1 vs 6 would be less bad than either of the two, but what can we do?

Oh wait, we could try fixing the wvw population distribution. But we’ll just keep masking the real issues with fake new issues that nobody really cares about.

More like you forgot that 8 isn’t a multiple of 3.

I don’t know where you got 8 being a multiple of 3. There are 24 servers. 8×3=24…

And I’m not seeing Devon actually responding to anything. He’s kind of just dodging questions. We want to know how the player distribution disparity is going to be dealt with. Either fix your servers to top tiers aren’t such lag-fests, or find a way of encouraging a mass exodus from tier 1.
And in order to not guarantee that a rank 12 server will come last against a rank 1 server, has Anet considered taking score evolution into consideration? That’s the closest thing we have to an actual measurement of skill (in that it shows that we do better or worse than the system expects you to do). Taking the total score evolution from the 7 (or however many weeks) period, maybe a server ranked 12 can actually compete against a rank 1 server… Probably not, but it becomes less about the score of an individual matchup and more about how you score against the system’s predictions.

Why not 3 tiers of 8?

It’s like everyone forgot that there was a number between 2 and 4… This would make it 1-8, 9-16, 17-24. Ideally, I’d like tiers of 6 so there’s less face-stomping, but I’d think 1 vs 8 would be far less bad than 1 vs 12. Likewise, 1 vs 6 would be less bad than either of the two, but what can we do?

Oh wait, we could try fixing the wvw population distribution. But we’ll just keep masking the real issues with fake new issues that nobody really cares about.

Oh Hai Ark. You were definitely only running 20 people at most, but you’re running right beside another group of 20 most of the time. When we got you on your own, though, they were some of the only good fights we’ve had for the past 3 weeks.

Too bad one of your members kept blaming anything nearing a wipe on your behalf on non-existent siege. You got us a few times, though… a few times because of your numbers and a few times because you just got the better of us.

We haven’t seen Ark at all this weekend. Which obviously means they just don’t exist. Or maybe you’re looking in the wrong place. Logic is fun.

I have no idea how well this matchup is going. All I know is that somehow the Maguuma group at home bl that can’t be more than 50 or 60 people carries the lag of 300. It’s crazy.

I, on the other hand, have played every day since the patch. And wvw was lagging even more BECAUSE of the patch. Then they released a patch that supposedly fixed that lag, but as far as I’ve noticed, the lag has gotten worse since that time. I’m running a lower-end computer, so I don’t expect wvw to be running perfectly, but this has become ridiculous. In the past, I’ve noticed some lag, but you get used to it after a while. This new patch has caused even more lag than I have ever experienced before in wvw (aside from when another server was running ~100 people).

When the other team is running maybe 40 max, and so are you, there are fewer people in the area of the map than when we’re doing Tequatl, although Tequatl doesn’t cause this much lag. Obviously, there is a possibility for the servers to handle a lot of people, but they have not implemented it.

As for the bugs, they still exist, and they won’t be fixed. Just masked by other, newer bugs and fancy features we don’t really care about. The idea behind the update was not bad, but it serves to mask the other problems, such as incredible server population differences. And this thread won’t be listened to or responded to… because it doesn’t concern Tequatl. I’ve submitted numerous bug reports about excessive lag since Wednesday and I doubt anything will be fixed. I’ll just learn to play with even more lag.

So, coming from a server that floats around ranks 10 to 12, if we are in the first tier, we will have NO chance of facing anyone “worse” than us, because ranks 13 and below are impossible for us to fight? Just for clarification.

Secondly, why was it decided that groupings of 12 was better? It seems that groupings of 6, while still resulting in certain servers inevitably getting roflstomped, reduces the possibility of as much roflstomp. Tier 6 against tier 1 would still be laughable, but less laughable than tier 12 against tier 1.

However, as much as I’d hate to be floored by our lack of coverage 24/7, are rewards going to be based off of standing at the end of the 7 week matchup, or on the score evolution? (eg: over the course of 7 weeks, we’re +133.76 and some other server has a 7 week evolution of +24.04). That would definitely make things a bit more ‘fair,’ I’d think, because you are then competing against how well the system says you’ll do rather than competing against another server that can tick at +650 every night.

Can I reiterate the Pk had a gvg at the time that this mess with GF and vH happened, so we were either in the GvG or spectating in it. I doubt there will be any evidence that more than one or two pk were there, let alone contributing to the brawl. As I see it, you’re grasping at straws to make this look better for yourselves, and it’s not working for you. Please, quit while you’re behind.

But trying to besmirch our guild is incredibly classy, so keep it up. I’m sure it’ll get you somewhere in life. Hopefully. I love GF, they’re a stand-up bunch. They also have evidence on their side. You, although passionate, seem to be either severely misunderstood or delusional.