Guild Wars 2

About EU :

yes starting a /m conversation espacially if it’s not in English and the megaserver shard you are in is “multi-ethnic” it won’t be appreciated.

However, when I see people complaining about this, I usually recommend them to use the language filter, after that they shut up.

I strongly disagree about trolls in WvW however. Also, when rookies ask question in the chat, people respond and respond quickly.

Page XVII :

This one is tough to sum up. Instead of the regular listing I’ll try something new.

It is mostly a lengthy discussion about the ability of small guilds to have GH and the emerging consensus that GH
should not be locked behind a conditions like “the guild must have X nb of members to have a GH”

Contributors agreed that a hybrid system that requires both merits, influence and achevements is the
best for GH upgrading and/or unlocking. Quoting one among many :

Serophous.9085
Guild achievements are similar to LW S2 achiev but linked with guild puzzles and guild challenges mission
These achievements can unlock customization to the GH.

Chris agreed with this consensus on page XVIII
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/CDI-Guilds-Guild-Halls/4469903
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/CDI-Guilds-Guild-Halls/4469889

He also provided with a nice transition to the next dev discussion :

Page XVI (one day, XVI will be a final fantasy number)

Serophous.9085
There can be a room for seige weaponry with the siege weapons against the walls or on the floor, being tinkered by the vendor
GH progression is unlocked with achievements similar to living world S2 achiev tailored for groups

CureForLiving.5360
Time-gating to make sure large and small guilds are both enjoying building the GH.
It would be an effective solution, although probably not perceived that way by the players

Prophet.6257
Introduce along with GH/guild zones : Guild Farms and Personalized Guild Enemies

Ohoni.6057
Kill two birds with one stone, by resetting the trait system back to how it used to be and shifting the current trait unlock over to unlocking Hall decorations

Conski Deshan.2057
Unlocking any kind of GH progression with gold threatens the challenging nature of building the GH, because of the actual structure of GW2’s economy

HHR LostProphet.4801
Asked a very relevant question in my opinion
Guilds can hold up to 500 players. Normal maps can hold up to 100 – 150 (?) players.
How do you want to ensure that players don’t feel separated from each other, can you raise the player-cap for Guild Halls?

Titanium Argentum.1427
GH defense as a mini game instead of an open-world event
More details about this here : https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/CDI-Guilds-Guild-Halls/4468722

JonPeters
On the topic of cost scaling:
I think one solution to the scaling problems is to create different aspects that work on different scales.
For example some aspects can be time gated and therefore don’t favor any size guild. Some can be based on straight up farming which favor larger guilds, and some could be driven by activity and favor guilds with active members.
Think of it like the 3 branches of government, and the aspects within that.

I think in that way the question that comes to mind is what parts of Guild Halls would you want to have work in what different ways so that we can reward big guilds for those areas but not punish small guilds for the things they really want…

Page XVI is now done. I think I might have missed something. If you see something missing, make sure you inform me with a PM.

Page XV other ideas

Gwenryth.9450
Any costs for Guild Hall related things scaled by members
Note: let the scaling costs controversy begin

Chun.1970
Portal hub in GH to ease access to locations such as Sparkfly, Bloodtide etc…

SlateSloan.3654
Bring back the possibility to let item drop on the floor like in GW1. Give items on the floor a 3D model
Allows possibilities to further decorate the hall.

Marcus Greythorne.6843
On the topic of “What current aspects of guilds would you change to integrate them more with guild halls?”
Scale the cosst based only on active guild members. Active members are those who played more than X min in the past week.
Alternative take:
80% of the guild members have to contribute a little for every project that is under construction.

CureForLiving.5360
On the topic of “Guild crafting”
Guild members can contribute to Guild Crafting by having a Guild Bank with Guild Supplies, which can then be used to craft guild items (such as decorations or consumables etc.). Merit and influence could be used as a means of unlocking recipes.

Iason Evan.3806
the most important thing for me is that guild halls won’t introduce content which is ONLY available for guilds
Eg. A guild-raid dungeon which can be entirely done by guilds (with the guild-related rewards) as well as the same dungeon open for pugs as well

DiogoSilva.7089
More details on guild crafting
Each profession produces special decorations for the GH : Wooden furniture (huntsman); Leather carpets (leatherworker) etc

Alethia.3597
Solve the dilemma raised in GW1 of picking an aesthetic you like to live with vs a hall you want to defend
Split area guild halls for general use and GvG. We customize the living area and the GvG part does not change.

zerorogue.9410
Ideas on building the GH
In order to build a guild hall a guild must have an architecture upgrade, a special Guild Sigil item and ressources.
How to get the Guild Sigil
Random drop from : team arena, stonemist capture chest, guild puzzles.
Guild Store: Guilds can buy and sell items outside the BLT

DDCarvalho.2071
Guild Photographer: Once bought/researched, a “photography room” would be added to the hall, and in it, the guild members could pay a fee to take photos of their characters
These photos could be saved as .PNGs without a background, facilitating montages using the characters

Perlemu.8219 Who definitely did not read the suggested post format
Guild officiers can place the portal/entrance to the GH anywhere in the open world
Allow to mix ornaments and an general themed GH
Eg. We should be able to put an Asuran lab in a Human’s styled house or a leafy garden lost in a Charr complex

Elrey.5472
General themes for GH could also include elder dragons and natural “raw” landscapes

Page XV is now done.

The topic of “the larger the guild, the higher the costs of upgrades” is very controversial. Some people do want to keep the building of a guild hall chellenging for every type and size of guild, while other argue that different guilds paying different prices for the same thing/upgrade is unfair.

Could we find a way to reconcile both points of view ?

Page XIV: other ideas

Halcyon.5340
The Guild Hall should contain a map of the whereabouts of all Guild Members and the events that they are currently doing
+ In addition, Guild Leaders can put markers on this map, and these markers will appear in every Guild Member’s personal world map+

Radical Antics.2740
Tie the progression of the size of the GH with the level of guild architecture upgrade unlocked
Rework the guild upgrades pannel to make the system viable.
Guild NPCs and functionnalities have tiers that are unlocked by upgrading architecture

Retro.6831
On the topic of “What current aspects of guilds would you change to integrate them more with guild halls?”
There are buffs that aren’t run because they aren’t useful. Those could be transformed as something that has to be built and integrated as permanent buffs tied to a GH
When a Guild Banner has finished building, add a copy of it that remains in the guild hall for a few hours
Bounty and trek seem difficult to implement, but it’s certainly possible that a few guild challenges could be developed that take place entirely within the guild hall.
The “Research” unlocks do not actually unlock anything themselves; they just increase your level in a given type (Architecture, etc.). This would be a prime place to drop in free Guild Hall upgrades

Sarrs.4831
On the same topic as above:
Your guild instance map is seperated into four sections: Politics, economics, art of war and architecture. As you upgrade these things through the I-VI lines, the sections will get larger.
Also a few upgrades could have added functionality, or new upgrades that come out of them. For example, you can upgrade your Guild Workshop to have crafting tables. #JonPeters_approves

DDCarvalho.2071
By some kind of interface, the officers could choose to (temporarily) landlock their island to a mini-map.
A mini-map is also a floating island, but it has no owner.
Up to 3/4 guilds could land-lock to the same mini-map.
And guilds would have a way of choosing to share the same mini-map, so they could play together, or fight against each other.

MithranArkanere.8957
Guild Fractals: Guilds can purchase tickets for a specific fractal and have special challenges while doing the fractal
Allow guilds to travel through empty fractals for recon.
in other words it is a private guild raid
Bring back the reputation system in Faction to GW2 and allow guilds to claim all outposts

This post will try to sum up the discussion following this post:

By inherently adding Guild Halls to a game that becomes a core piece of guilds where it not only makes the system more integrated and potentially more interesting through how these pieces of systems interact, but also is likely to make things more clear by physically representing what is happening to players.

• What makes you think Guild Halls are difficult to acquire?
• Try to brainstorm ways in which Guild Hall acquisition could be fun.
• Think about some rewards a physical Guild Hall might give you that couldn’t be done without it and how the ability to give those rewards could create a version of an improvement to a system that previously was considered impossible and is now instead very simple, clear, and compelling?

1) What makes you think Guild Halls are difficult to acquire?
Tobias Trueflight.8350
I think the assumption is going to be “guild halls are limited by cost or number” until otherwise stated to be not the case.
There isn’t a way to do any of this which is going to get a 100% approval rating, no matter what you read here in the forums.
Ohoni.6057
If you’re going to just hand out guild halls with minimal effort then that would be great

2) Try to brainstorm ways in which Guild Hall acquisition could be fun.
Tobias Trueflight.8350
Simply buy it with money, like a land grant? “Promotes gold farming, and Gem sales.”
Purchase through Guild Upgrades with Influence or Merits? “Bigger guilds have an advantage with more Influence gain, more Merits to burn, etc.”
Require doing something a la quest or Event? “Required gating through un-fun stuff.”
Ohoni.6057
I suppose you could have different lockouts based on the size of the hall made available, a solo guild wouldn’t need a massive castle, and could have a solo-based quest to unlock it, while a massive guild would want a massive castle, and could require an epic campaign across Tyria to unlock it
CureForLiving.5360
Guild Halls should be divided into classes or qualities. Basic Guild Halls should be free (low barrier to entry) but higher quality guild halls (more space, more benefits etc.) should be more difficult to acquire and have some sort of upkeep.

3)Think about some rewards a physical Guild Hall might give you that couldn’t be done without it and how the ability to give those rewards could create a version of an improvement to a system that previously was considered impossible and is now instead very simple, clear, and compelling?
Ohoni.6057
All functions a hall can provide can technically be achieved in the open world, and generally should be. The benefit of the guild hall is more an RP thing, you’d have a unique space that you could hopefully make reflect the flavor of your guild
CureForLiving.5360
Guild Members can get a small permanent boon in the areas there Guild Hall is located.

Chris Whiteside.6102:

Many thanks VOD

CDI Summary below:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Guild-Hall-CDI-The-complete-summary-edition/first#post4476652

Chris

You’re welcomed Chris.

Though I think orpheal (who is the ultimate expert on this kind of stuff) has something in reserve for us. I guess he plans to do a more fleshed out summary this weekend.

In the end we might end up merging his thread and mine.

Page XIII

Baltzenger.2467
Summed up a good chunk of the discussion up to page XIII here : https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/CDI-Guilds-Guild-Halls/4466306
If trying to get more propositions, look below.

scerevisiae.1972
guild halls should be implemented as an enhancement to WVW, by expanding upon & reworking existing WVW objectives and structures
areas like the skritt cave, centaur camp could/should become additional player mini-fortresses
bring WVW back to life than by creating upgradeable, guild-claimable structures within and around existing WVW towers & keeps

Iason Evan.3806
Any item you can get as a drop can be used to decorate the GH
Dungeon and Fractal Loot Tables completely upgraded and updated with decorating items
A statue of Evon Gnashblade and tomato baskets full of fresh ripe tomatoes, hand picked for the sole purpose of hurling at the statue

Prophet.6257
Guild Halls upkeep be determined by some PvE dynamic events in a Guild Zone
So instead of a tax or cost associated with it, it is “payed for” by playing the content.
have your Guild Hall over run by who ever the local enemy is and your guild has to retake the hall in order to do more upgrades and keep guild services active

Donari.5237
To preserve the GH in the event of leadership changes or mistaken disbandings
If the GM leaves, someone else (preferably from the next rank level) should receive control, and that someone should be one that’s repped the guild recently

Devata.6589
The idea of airship can extend to Wizards Tower and the Zephyr Sanctum

Marcus Greythorne.6843
When in your personal instance in a guild hall, your Alts will run around as NPCs
The alts can be training dummies or used as GW1 mercenaries only for Living World instances by other players in the guild.
The alts can also like as crafting stations without the requirements from other players to level up.

VodCom.6924 (Jeez! I was 13 pages late in the discussion)
Guild halls should be acquired by three different methods, one in the mist war, one in PvE and one in sPvP
Focussed guilds should not be disadvantaged when trying to acquire a guild hall.

And That’s it for page XIII
The discussion is getting more narrow and people are either taking sides or proposing very detailed things for GH.
Orpheal will probably get this sorted at the end of the week here : https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Guild-CDI-The-Complete-Summary-Edition/4457849

Proposal Overview:

Upgrade for the Guild Hall : subcontractor crafter. A QoL upgrade to introduce new players to crafting.

Goal of the proposal
Allow rookies in the guild to refine their materials and get introduced to crafting without forcing them to level up their craft.

VodCom, why are you suggesting this ?
Allow me to tell you a story:
My guild recently recruited rookies that never played the game before. When they asked about crafting we told them that they should better get to level 80 and accumulate a few gold coins. Once they accumulated the sufficient funds, we introduced them to crafting and they used their financial power to get to level 400 quickly and proceed to craft their end-game gear.

However they had a problem. During their level up, their bank and inventories became invaded with unrefined raw material. They understood naturally that armorsmiths would use ore. However they were not sure about keeping cloth, leather or jewels or just selling them.

I think guild halls could get an upgrade that could solve this issue.

Proposal Functionality:

A subcontractor crafter is:
+an upgrade of guild crafting stations
+a crafting station that can refine anything up to level 450 (rookies can store more mats in the bank without having to level up the craft or rely on others)
+is unlocked separately for each crafting profession (requires at least one member of level 500 in the given profession)
+comes along with an NPC that detail to rookies :
-> Which profession use what
-> Has the NPE tutorial on crafting
-> Can include tips and tricks for crafting (guild officers are the ones that write these tips)

Ex: “Don’t try to level your crafting level at the same time as you level your first character : it is not worth it”
“Exotic Celestial recipes are too expensive, go directly for ascended”
etc…

Associated Risks:

Reducing the incentives to level your crafting for any of your character, since you can now access to a marginal crafting for free.

Page XII, general listing of new ideas that did not belong to any previous discussion.

Twinny.9304
GH have a wall in the middle with readable plaques of the guilds u have GvG’s in your GH and the results of that fight

daft inquisitor.1605
Be able to wave to other players (from the ground/nearby cliff) if they’re standing on the deck of the ship.

Devata.6589
make dynamic events in that sky-map that contains GA

Torsailr.8456
Airship to airship battle is better with jetpacks

A lot of discussion and examples between devata, torsailr, daft and many others. I suggest reading the entire page for lots of elaboration on the sky map and airship visibility in open world.

Page XI : I am back to previous posts format. Here you will find new ideas that have not be proposed before and that did not fit in Jon’s discussions

Edgar Doiron.2804
Create a new guild research to unlock a plot of land (map). Which opens up a whole new series of guild tree research specifically for that map
More details here : https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/CDI-Guilds-Guild-Halls/4463515

DiogoSilva.7089
GH airships allow members from different guilds to chat with each other with /say

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046
The npc or warp/portal to the guildhall, could have a animation according to the level of the guildhall
creating an instanced “open world” pvp and pve map
PvE GH is Upgradable/buildable, home/guildhall represented in an open world server based instanced map.
PvP GH is open world pvp associated with the guildhall and server and the GH is represented on the map.

Groonz.7825
Allow GvG to fight over the land i.e Guild A is bored of X and wants to move to Y, they challenge Guild B for their land.
suggest having guild halls in cities which are neutral and any guild can start from there. It’s only outside of cities/towns where guild can claim areas for guild halls against one another.

ShadowDragoonFTW.3418
having a map zone per guild airship and having other players passing through the map
regulating who would be able to access the guild and who wouldn’t on the open world server, would both be difficult to manage

krosis.7598
Guild airship could be attached to maps. The guild attaching (and whoever they invite) gets the bonus of reaching an unusual NPC or shortcutting a jumping puzzle, the map can get benefits like speed buff, or a coin buff

Auck.3076
GH should be airbases with layers. Guilds fight through GvG for the control of the layers Controlling a specific layer brings specific bonuses.

Frostfang.5109
Make all guildies visible on the map (toggable). They could be yellow dots. Note: this belongs to the QoL thread.

Iason Evan.3806
One unlikely but really cool possibility, is having your actual guild airships participate in downing a dragon
GA have parachutes or drop pods: you load into the map at a height and impact without fall damage / with some directional control

Marcus Greythorne.6843
GA features many problems:
No wide open areas but tight spaces (which would be bad when thinking about GW2’s current camera-problems).
Race specific Sylvari and airships don’t go well together. Not every race is tech-themed.

Varezenem.2813
Vigil keep for Example on how special guild halls could work:
Visible in open world, has exclusive access instanced area and is an open-world plazza.

Torsailr.8456
Possibility to have our screenshorts displayed in the hall
Chef can create paintings

Gulesave.5073
Make sure you introduce the GH with living story or at least, use the lore to introduce them

Devata.6589
Allow guilds to summon world bosses to their map using the system developed for Teq/Wurm/Karka. Expand the system for all world bosses

daft inquisitor.1605
GA battles: It could be kind of like Puzzle Pirates where everyone contributes to the fight.

I think page XI is now fully covered. So many propositions.

Page X-XI-XII :

New post by Jon :
Note : this time, I am quoting the posts responding explicitely to Jon’s questions. Other posts will be traded in future posts
Again, if you feel cheated, feel free to PM me.

Jon: On the editing topic I’ve seen a few things listed:

• NPCs
• fixed placement
• grid placement
• free form placement
• upgrading placed things

Assuming everything has a cost:
Some questions with the first answer being an example proposed by jon:
Q: what kind of thing would you be ok with static placement?
A: a giant stone carving of Colin.
Conski Deshan.2057
A: Banners/flags/doors/windows,staircases only make sense in certain locations (but please do make a freestanding banner too).
MakubeC.3026
A: The building structure (Gardens, pools, arena, doors, windows, Asura portals, maybe even pictures on the walls and furniture).
krosis.7598
A: NPCs and crafting stations should be in static locations in a given room.
Torsailr.8456
A: Layouts should be relatively static. They should only change if there’s a system for add on rooms and that would literally just adding the room and not changing the rest of the guild hall. (eg. alcoves, dais, windows, doors…)
Prophet.6257
A: Doors, windows, flooring, roofing, etc. Have the basic shape of the structure static
Tobias Trueflight.8350
A: To prevent disastrous errors of building, doors and walls. Let rooms be a static size/structure or be fixed to always line up in a fashion which will work.

Q: What kind of things do you think work fine with grid placement?
A: A theatre where my guild can roleplay how angry we are with the guild hall system in game.
Conski Deshan.2057
A: The overall guild hall , if we’re doing it in a select from several prefab rooms/corridors,gardens sort of thing.
MakubeC.3026
A: Harvesting nodes maybe?
krosis.7598
A:Pie in the sky, actual rooms and exterior elements (parapets, etc). This might not be possible if you do an amazing internal/external jumping puzzle (pleeeeeease), but saying “let’s put stairs leading to a viewing tower on the left!” would be super cool
Torsailr.8456
A: Anything fixed would probably work better with a grid placement.
Prophet.6257
A: Paintings, statues, furniture, etc
Tobias Trueflight.8350
A: Large furniture such as tables, or statues, equipment.
Baltzenger.2467
A: Grid based placement works well when making rooms and setting up the space inside of the Guild Hall

Q: What stuff would you want to have free placement?
A: Statue of Chris Whiteside
Conski Deshan.2057
A: wall and room decorations, Defensive placements can use the WvW method without an expiry timer. Some functional/minigame items may have to be grid placement to prevent them from breaking.
MakubeC.3026
Statues that reflect guild achivements, GvG trophies and other trophies, NPCs, guild members info banners or statues or whatever we use for that, different bundles.
krosis.7598
A: General furniture. Tables, chairs, wall banners, statues. Things that are solely cosmetic.
Torsailr.8456
A: Stuff like : – Decorative banners – statues – “art work” – chairs – couches – NPCs
Prophet.6257
A: All NPCs
Tobias Trueflight.8350
A: NPCs, smaller furnishings/decorations such as chairs, pedestals, crates, et cetera.
Baltzenger.2467
furniture and such, work better with free placement

Page X part 3: Jon’s discussion cont’d

3)How could we get the benefits of instanced guild halls in a system of open world guild halls? eg. Guild Halls are air ships that attach to places in the world improving that area for a while, but move around and have many attachment points. Access to the ship itself is controlled, but you still are in the open world.
Torsailr.8456
Have a guild hall in the open world. When you enter it ports you to your specific guild hall. Kind of like someone turned a Tardis into a hotel.
Chapell.1346
Use instanced GH in GvG as in GW1
DiogoSilva.7089
Make dynamic events in the open-world for guild resource gathering. This would still give some life to maps.
Make the portal’s locations different for each guild hall, spread around the world map, and give those entrances a small hub for guild members.
SkyShroud.2865
Guild hall entrance can be made to accept only guild members while outsiders can still see the external of it
CureForLiving.5360
Depending on if there’s any noticeable impact that a open world Guild Hall has on the surrounding zone (i.e. is the guild hall just a static building on a mountain or does it start quests, change event changes etc.)
Retro.6831
(Privacy) Chat / emote inside guild halls cannot extend beyond the lot size.
(Navigation) Simply ensure the housing zone’s terrain is varied enough, has highly visible landmarks and an abundance of waypoints.

4)How could we get the benefits of open world guild halls in a system where guild halls are instanced? eg. Guild Halls are still halls but have functionality that lets guild create temporary content that attach to open world maps.
Tobias Trueflight.8350
Let there be an exterior Hall Grounds, and an interior Hall Chambers. The Grounds can be public areas for people to visit in, but the interior is instanced and only available via permissions granted
Torsailr.8456
Have representations of guild halls scattered around the cities. They wouldn’t be functional, just skins replacing some existing buildings.
Have a few themed guild halls in the open world maps in places you can’t reach. Maybe a mountain fortress high in the mountains of Lornars Pass or an Airship flying overhead, or a small tree guild hall just outside of Caledon.
The key would be tasteful representations and not massive overcrowding.
If we have customized guild halls, then maybe have a contest. Those who win get to have their guild hall used as a representation in a city.
Chapell.1346
Putting a bulletin board in front of the gate or something,where i can apply to the said guild/owner/leader (instead of going to some guildengine.net)
Ohoni.6057
A solution in which there are multiple Hall plots per zone, and you can pick one and build on it. On your own plot, you would always see your own Hall, but on any other plots (or when other players look at yours), they would see a guild hall selected at random from the various ones assigned to that slot
Galen Grey.4709
You’d need some way to have players visit each guilds instance by having incentives for people to visit other guild’s GH and a system that allows you to quickly list and choose which guild halls you want to visit.
Luna.8691
Use NPCs that pop up menus to search for guilds’ names and enter (teleport) into their Guild Hall Instances. You can reuse the code and interface from Black Lion Trading Post.
You can have airships hovering over cities that transport players to Instanced Guild Halls. Ownership of these airships are on a weekly bidding system based on gold. These can serve as a gold sink.
Jaken.6801
Placeholders can be used easier for outside display
Conski Deshan.2057
Large scale PvE events such as sieges are still possible they’ll just be restricted to guild members which is fine too would have to scale very well
SkyShroud.2865
It is possible to create a guild halls district instance where guild halls are located.
CureForLiving.5360
This is probably where the Guild Hall Zones come into play again, given areas dedicated to Guild Halls makes it possible for players to explore these areas.
Prophet.6257
Just like Guild bounties, the zone missions could spawn in the zone or be activated by the Guild’s leadership.
Retro.6831
(Depopulation) Limit the number of amenities available within guild halls so players have to leave them for some things.

Note : I only list ideas once. Sorry for this
If you feel cheated/ignored, MP me so we can get things sorted.

Page X is over.

Page X part 2:

Jon asked 4 questions on page X. I am quoting the contributors who explicitely answered:

1)What do people see as the benefits of instanced? i.e Your guild could control permissions on the map.
Tobias Trueflight.8350
Instanced GH save up lots of server ressources and removes real estate issues
Baltzenger.2467
Instanced GH offer a more “clean” presentation for the system,could be very customizable, without affecting other players.
Instanced GH are private, which at some level, is what we want from a GH
Torsailr.8456
Easy access. Teleport into them the same way WvW and PVP works.
Maximum flexibility. You don’t need to worry about space limitations or what is going on around it. You can, in theory, expand as much as you want.
Luna.8691
Megaserver technology will likely clash with open world Guild Halls
This encourages developers to experiment more with Guild Halls to improve their functions without worrying about breaking the main game.
Jaken.6801
Outside (exterior or outside world) and Inside (interior or Guild Grounds) do not have to be linked
Conski Deshan.2057
Requires far less development time which is critical because I’d like to see guildhalls by Q2 2015
The population count on a map would only consist of guild members and not be wasted by randoms.
CureForLiving.5360
If each main city can have a a guild hall then they can have different themes

2)What do you see as the benefits of open world guild halls? i.e Your guild could control and improve something in the world that benefits more than just its members.
Baltzenger.2467
If GH are located in open world, the “visual integrity” of the game would be affected.
All in all it depends on what we get for starters.
Torsailr.8456
Bragging rights. Look at what I got.
Ohoni.6057
Well, it’d be nice to see the outside of the buildings and feel that they have a permanent address.
Luna.8691
Do you really want to GM police gold sellers / trolls camping a popular Guild Hall ?
Jaken.6801
Creating a Neighborhood, or Communities next to each other
Possibilities for a WvW integration. Alliance against Alliance, represented by their Neighborhoods
Marcus Greythorne.6843
If the hall got damaged from npc-enemies, every player around can donate materials / do events in order to repair the halls.
Fully repaired halls and other done objectives might start meta-events on open world bosses etc
CureForLiving.5360
The basic idea goes that a random players is leveling through a zone and comes across a guild hall, sees all the trophies, all the unique architecture etc.

Page X is bloody hard to rationalize.

I’ll split this in two : first post is similar to the previous ones. The second one will focus on a discussion started by jon.

Vix.6730
What is the point of having customizable tables and chairs if you cannot interact with them ?

Damar.5982
allow guilds to design their halls based on something similar to the original X-COM games
GH are based on a 4×4 grid and players can add combinations of 1×1, 1×2 and 2×2 elements to it

Tobias Trueflight.8350
In GH one could be able to edit decorative elements, such as swapping out statues for other statues, or none at all
Take inspiration from Ultima Online and FFXIV

Torsailr.8456
GH are edited through the use of a grid based floorplan
This could include a drag-n-drop system for placing windows, doors, fireplaces, artwork, alcoves, etc…

NvN.4321
Put the roof over a racial home instance and call it a Guild Hall
Add NPCs, furniture, bathroom and a quaggan (or skiritt) with a broom

Jaken.6801
Allow lighting to be customized in the GH
If GH are in a seperate instance, have the option choose the surrounding land where it is placed

Egron Redmoon.5764
If the guild halls become instanced, allow it to be an instance one can log into

Fowidner.6930
Include in GH a “Wall of fame and Shame”
Suggested activities that can be performed in the GH: Keg brawl 2.0, Blecher’s Bluff 2.0, living chess, dance party…
Include WvW statistics, including list of claimed and captured objectives
Add a “learn to dodge tutorial”

Jaken.6801
By messuring the activity of the Guild in certain activities unlocks are granted which reflect the main areas a Guild is active
Similiar to reward tracks in PvP, every member contributes some points to an Guild-Event-Unlock-Track (this is not an AP tracker).

Kootje.9271
Raising one concern up regarding guild-sizes. The system should be able to differenciate between active and inactive players

Jacobbs.9468:

maha.7902:

Astralporing.1957:

maha.7902:

Just as a reminder to everyone. When ANet added the mechanic to the champion wraith in the grenth temple which drained everything in an AOE and it had to be CC’d to stop it, literally every time without fail for weeks on end nobody would CC and there would be a massive wipe.

Well, besides the normal quality of average players, Anet did forget here that Defiant in bigger player groups makes interrupting on demand practically impossible.

It had the base defiant that bosses in dungeons have. I’m pretty sure 10% of a 60-man zerg can CC a boss with defiant on.

Defiance scales by how many players are around it, iirc. In 80+ zergs, it will likely stack to 77. So you require at least 78 hard CCs to consistently remove stacks of defiance and interrupt again.

I saw the wraith being interrupted more than once, often without anyone even realizing that they should spam cc skills. They acted the way they are used to without trying to understand. You know what ? It worked.

It appears that in a giant zerg people don’t just spam 1: they button smash everything, resulting in much more cc being used that you can imagine.

maha.7902:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

maha.7902:

Astralporing.1957:

maha.7902:

Just as a reminder to everyone. When ANet added the mechanic to the champion wraith in the grenth temple which drained everything in an AOE and it had to be CC’d to stop it, literally every time without fail for weeks on end nobody would CC and there would be a massive wipe.

Well, besides the normal quality of average players, Anet did forget here that Defiant in bigger player groups makes interrupting on demand practically impossible.

It had the base defiant that bosses in dungeons have. I’m pretty sure 10% of a 60-man zerg can CC a boss with defiant on.

You would be surprised.

And that is precisely why ANet can’t make raids, because they are trying to cater to the people who can’t pay attention, and then the people in this thread who …. refuse to pay attention and don’t want to have to partake in any sort of co-ordination. How can we have interesting content without co-ordination? And if it’s the whole “I don’t want to have to use a third party voice program”, is it really killing people to download like some 2mb file, go in to a TS and literally just sit silently while listening to commanders giving instructions?

People say they want content more interesting than zerg press 1, but then they place personal restrictions like “I don’t want to have to use a teamspeak or join a guild or for it to be instanced” and then it’s like … well how is this going to work then?

Don’t give up on humanity just yet.
People are usually obtuse and stupid when you screm loud in the /map channel saying that you are holding the absolute truth (even though you hold the absolute truth in this case).

I found out that using mp and whispers works much better on these kind of people (not a 100% efficient ofc).

And just remember that anet created megabosses with a moderate succes. So all is not lost. Instanced guild raids could be a success, and I have confidence in any new megaboss they could add.

Surbrus.6942:

GW2 “end game” is about fashion, playing around and giving yourself different looks. The old PvP lockers allowed for a lot of playing around with armour skins that you have unlocked, as well as getting better previews than the preview window. Unfortunately that functionality no longer exists.

A potentially neat idea would be to basically bring that functionality back for a sort of “Guild Hall fashion room” upgrade so to speak, where people are free to change their looks without eating up their transmutation charges. Perhaps even give upgrades to allow for “free” hair style kit usage within this designated area as well. You would actually have to spend the charges/hair style kit to keep the look outside this designated area.

This would allow for a lot more use of skins that may otherwise not see as much use due to the trans charge restrictions, bringing back the functionality of the pre-wardrobe PvP lockers for testing out unlocked armour looks.

I guess we’ll have to integrate a room with control of the light conditions as well.

Some armour/sylvari look nice only in very specific lighting conditions.

It can also be of use for some guild group screenshots.

Make sure you check out dry top. This new map has interesting concepts and ennemies.

Devata.6589:

About Progression, of all what I have seen I still think collecting / unlocking blue-prints in the world (no influence, no gold) and build, customize and add functions your guild-hall with the help of them still seems like the most interesting and engaging way of progression.

It would also solve the big guild / small guild issue because you could easily lock stuff you think any guild should have access to behind content easy doable for smaller guilds. (like a dungeon path)

When you are talking about progression, it is about the visuals of the GH, the functionnalities or both ?
Because it can become easy to lock stuff behind challenges that are possible only for large guilds (eg. hosting tequatl), which brings back the inital problem.

Onwards for page IX:

Huddo.1065
Improvement over the previous post https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/CDI-Guilds-Guild-Halls/4461863
separate GH progression in two categories: first pick a visual (charr, asura…), then pick a theme (airship/castle/…)
Listing of possible purchasable upgrades for the GH
GH item wardrobe
guild materials

Ghotistyx.6942
There’s talk of Alliances. Can Neighborhoods be of use for them ?

Alcarin.9024
Golems should help you building heavier objects. Why moving yourself heavy objects, when a golem could do it for you
there could be PvE siege assault/defence events that could be located in GvG maps

Trent.5201
Trophy to represent the amount of money given to rebuild LA
Guild achievements to unlock trims for guild capes
Import GW1 guild cape with an NPC that allows us to customize it
Permanent SAB can be unlocked in the GH
dancing floor and consumable vendors (rockets, bombs etc) in GH

Devata.6589
Locate the GH in the sky of tyira, a set of maps over the surface of tyria
GH are visible from below but not in detail.
Upgrades for the GH are acquired by earning blueprints
Blueprints drop in event that are done as a guild, they are “guild bound”

Rambodacious.7495
GH include target dummy with DPS calculation
Include tutorial area where you can learn what each boon/condition does
Make sure the airship can have a jumping puzzle with a chest at the end

Page IX is done.

Orpheal.8263:

I find it nice that You want to take the work away from me through basically cloning my Thread and the honorary mention of me is nice, but my own version of the Phase 2 will be definetely completely different and more fleshed out than this, what I’ve done in this conscise style just only for Phase 1, because it was obvious, that Phase 1 will get flooded by tons of brainstormed ideas and there it was important for me and my summary only to catch up all unique ideas in a quick and clean way that anybody can overlook easily.

But now with Phase 2, there is no need anymore to be super conscise, now we have only 1 clear topic – Guild Halls – and so the structure of that related summary can be a bit more full of descriptions, sub points ect. to give that topic more structure.

Sadly I hadn’t lately much time, so I couldn’t be able to keep my summary on pace with the CDI GH Thread, which I think is the reason, why You started this Thread now.
But I think I will take some time over the next Weekend to get my summary about Phase 2 started and I’ll make sure that this thread will find somewhere its place inside of it.

PS. there can be only 1 complete summary edition :P – Mine ^^

Hi orpheal!

There is no competition nor rivalry and I do not think I can possibly take all your work away.

As you stated, I started the thread because I (and probably others) have trouble keeping up with the discussion.

For now, I’ll stick with my consize approach. Consider this as a collection of bookmarks on where to find ideas.

I have kept a backup notepad of all my posts so I can send it to you if you wish.

Page VIII
Nitross.6987
GH have combat features that need to be maintained

Ohoni.6057
Guild Hall are instanced except for the guilds that pay a fee to display it in LA

Sarrs.4831
GH act functionally as a graphical representation of the guild’s upgrades

Retro.6831
Refinement on GH upkeep: failure to pay the upkeep just put unlocked features on hold
No loss of permanent progress regarding GH.

Hoaxintelligence.4628
If GvG happens in GH, allow the players to use food

Kitsunelady.2180
If you can’t see an in-game storyline reason for having some random schmo npcs providing that in guildhalls

Devata.6589
prevent abandoned guild-halls and ghost towns by removing their open world plot

Yalora Istairiea.6287
Refinement of the concept of upkeep: tax should come during the progression/construction of GH, not after

Gobble D Goop.4081
Include GvG NPCs in the GH (Note to gobble: as the Mercs in GW1 GvG ?)

Swish.2463
Adapt the reputation system of GW Faction in GW2 to help determine who controls what
Guilds can control PvE maps and apply bonuses to said maps for X amounts of time such as Higher rare item drop rates

Elitejelly.7462
Guild Jobs: A board where members can go to, inside the guildhall, and accept jobs for rewards

Palador.2170
GH size is divided in 3 tiers and 6 visual styles are possible
Upgrading the size of the GH takes influence, upgrading once the max size is reached requires merits

Nutjob.9021
Hall of Portraits: a galleries of portraits of the members

Iason Evan.3806
increase the party size in guild halls to be greater that 5
Allows the GH to be a hub to prepare for GvG and raids.

Conski Deshan.2057
Dress-able “suits of armor” to line guild hall passages

Torsailr.8456
GH start as a basic building, can then be upgraded to airship/fortress/castle/command center
Note : each type of upgrade has tiers of progression as well.

rapthorne.7345
Guild Dungeons. An instance (variable, like fractals) within the guild base that can be completed by the guild as a whole

Elric.6971
Guild halls are ‘Unstable Mist Fractals’ this is to justify there are millions of them without them being on the map
Guild Versus Guild battles where basically two world’s collide

Gulesave.5073
What if we actually built the guild hall ourselves

This is it for page VIII

Controversies so far as pointed out by Conski Deshan.2057 :
Instanced VS Open World VS Semi-Instanced.
Any form of tax/Upkeep VS no tax/upkeep.
Neighborhood/village (<1 guild) VS Single Hall (1 guild).
Gvg incorporated into guildhalls (ala gw1) VS completely separate gvg.
Larger Guilds have easier access VS Scaled access based on membership

Page VII

timmyf.1490
Visitor’s Area or Public Room of Guild Halls openly accessible to all players once built
Zone to recruit/show off.

Alcarin.9024
seperate the GvG and GH
Is opposing an earlier suggestion

Palador.2170
The function of each room in the GH can be selected
What can be placed in the room will depend on the function it is set to.

Iason Evan.3806
remove fairly large swaths of underwater areas to accommodate Guild Hall placement in the game world

Iason Evan.3806
suggest a scaling upgrades system of the cost of purchasing rewards

Marcus Greythorne.6843
Hall of Monuments in the GH, but for the top 3 players of that guild in certain categories

PlagueParade.7942
GH can be acquired by guilds just like players can acquire custom PvP arenas
Access to GH is similar to accessing custom arenas

Huddo.1065
Monstrous post link: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/CDI-Guilds-Guild-Halls/4459984
Guild Architecture upgrades tab would need to be reworked
GH’s should not replace cities or Lions Arch (so, leave out mystic forge and/or trading post)
detailed approach on how to expand the hall (sims vs runescape)
Allows guild leader (and selected ranks) to enter build mode to expand your GH
Add many categories of visual upgrades for the GH Refer to the post for more details.
Have a guest list of non representing people that can enter the hall
Introduce new activities exclusive to the GH (Races, soccer (Asuraball?), bowels, crochet, make obstacle courses etc)

Nitross.6987
GH could have a War upgrade that lets you open a path your hall from the claimed fort

Sarrs.4831
Guild Halls can be used as a model for WvW objectives

Baltzenger.2467 Made a nice summary of the emerging consensus(es?) in this post :
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/CDI-Guilds-Guild-Halls/4459255

Page VII is now covered, I hope I did not miss anything.

Retro.6831:

First day off in a while, so I’ll be digging in and catching up shortly. My notes for this thread are about three handwritten pages so far.

VodCom.6924:

Feel free to check here if your suggestion has already be posted and catch up with other contributions.

I hate to be “That Guy”, but you skipped my post on page one, despite it being referenced about half a dozen times in this thread and not being a duplicate suggestion (neighborhoods are referenced, yes, but that’s maybe 1/3rd of my suggestion).

Message recieved, I suggest we continue this discussion using PMs. I do not claim to be perfect and I am opened to improvements.

Hi fellow contributors,

I have started a summary thread for the Guild Hall CDI.

Feel free to check here if your suggestion has already be posted and catch up with other contributions

And try to stick to the proposed posting format suggested in the OP. It makes the summarizing job much much easier.

Page VI

Torsailr.8456
Let every guild get a guild hall automatically, for free, when they hit 20 members

QuantumS.6802
Guild halls are fractals of former areas and structures in the open world

Xar.1387
It shouldnt be that easy to build everything in ur GH. Not every guild should have a GH
This is opposing a previous suggestion by Torsailr.8456

Yalora Istairiea.6287
Guild Camps A temporary encampment area set up by a particular guild allowing access to various resources to all who visit

Pocket.2740
WvW- Airships being used in WvW to ferry supplies and guild mates
Location matters Each map where the airship is docked could have a unique ‘mooring’ cost and unique bonuses.

Mash Hog.5672
have a reward track to collect resources to contribute towards building the guild hall
Chris already approves.

Spyderson.8371
New square in a renovated LA built around a physical bulletin board to post Guild recruitment messages, open guild missions, public guild raid in WvW, open challenges to other guilds
Permalink to see the attachment : https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/CDI-Guilds-Guild-Halls/4459127

jheryn.8390
GH include function to build more guild socialization without having to resort to TS and Websites

Alcarin.9024
GH customization like WvW siege

that’s it for page VI.

I’ll continue this this evening. See you for page VII.

Please try to comply with the suggested post format in the CDI’s OP
Otherwise it’s a pain for me to extract the essence of your proposition.

Page V:
Donari.5237
Do not allow guild halls to decay The only way to have a GH disappear is when the guild is disbanded.

MakubeC.3026
Customization should extend to the placement of the furnitures inside the GH

Raiddx.8436
Guild Hall Add-on; Menagerie

Coodles.6198
Guild Airship Fleet Allow guilds to have more than one airship

Kasima.8143
To make the guild halls customizable using an interface and a system similar to Skyrim Hearthfire
GH large enough for commanders to have plenty of room to use /supplyinfo without interference

Alcarin.9024
GH as instanced LA areas, no link with GvG but linked with the living world

FerrisDJ.7624
In order to maintain the guild hall , the members must do active tasks
Basically the opposite of what other suggested either. I’m putting this here for the sake of debate.

Thats it for Page V

Page IV

Thorfinnr Sleggja.1209
Allow us to invite guests to our Hall.
Guests cannot use services. Allow Guests to play Guild Games

ShadowDragoonFTW.3418
RIFT has customizatble GH and Home instances, inspiration can be taken from this game

XarOneZeroNine.2374
GH should not have upkeep fees ever
GH should include a BLTC delivery man

michealmikeyb.4716
Server based instances where guild halls can be built and added onto by claiming land

Haath.7391
make guild members be able to open, close doors and treat the guild hall like an actual ‘home’

Bormy.9814
combine the player-wish of player housing with the guild halls in the concept of guild city

Nacht Fuchs.3762
Give guilds the possibility to design their own GH in a sandbox style

smiteroevil.8632
GH include trophies of megabosses slain by the guild

Silvercyclone.1462
Guild Airship should be able to dock with other guild airship
Guild Airship should be able to move around the world
GA can be used as siege weapon in WvW

Page IV is done. Still a lot of work ahead.

Onwards for page V!

Page III

Luna.9640
Mistcity: All the GH in a single map
Not sure I understand this one completely.
Link to OP https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/CDI-Guilds-Logistics-and-QOL/4414078

Torsailr.8456
Details on what the hall should contain
Achievement Room, factory room, farming area, room for RPers.

Alerno.1425
Idea to have either a Guild hall in major city or a Guild keep in mists

Graphite.2169
HGH having tools to train members in different aspects of the game (mainly for PvE)

Areann.1304
As the guild grow in size, the GH gets extre rooms that have to be filled
Taxidermist Room included in GH

Vipers Buddy.4320
have customizable guild mascots which serve to welcome members to the guild hall

Scarletdusk.2504
Unique weapon and armor skins for the use of Guild Halls and participation within the guild

VIRAL.9548
multiple ideas https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/CDI-Guilds-Guild-Halls/4455250
GH upgrading tied in the GUI
Guild Quest board

Devata.6589
unlocking/cutomizing the GH not unlocked with currency but with guild achievements

Xaylin.1860
More details on what should be inside the GH https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/CDI-Guilds-Guild-Halls/4455285
Furniture and decorations with themes based on races, Dye gardening/alchemy, Library/study room with access to lore, Mystic Forge,
All active guild banner buffs should be available within the guild hall
Personal accountwide quarter/room. Home instances just don’t work

Blaeys.3102
GH include a Guild PVE Danger Room
Similar to the candidate trials event we saw during “Cuthroat Politics” (that scales)
Customized Guild Jumping Puzzle
Outer Walls/New Guild Mission (defense of the GH)

Zelanard.5806
Guild castles, and guild outposts
The castles are in the the open world and can be conquered though GvG. Outposts in the open world cannot be conquered.

That Guy.5704
GH can contain a custom arena that features FFA deathmatches

Iason Evan.3806
Guild Hall Jumping Puzzle/Guild Hall Gauntlet/Guild Collections

Thats it for Page III
Lot of redundancy in term of proposition. I realize there are two emerging consensuses : instanced vs open-world GH.
There is also a fraction of people that want to fuse the GvG and GH together as in GW1.
Continues for Page IV

Page II

HHR LostProphet.4801
GH have a blackboard for announcements Others ideas already mentionned in page 1 as well.

Prophet.6257
Guild Zones: special themed zones with player/guild/alliance driven content These zones contain ennemies.

azizul.8469
take the GW1 Guild Hall model, and implement it in GW2

Healix.5819
Guild Airships – mobile guild halls that add a moveable waypoint to the world

Palador.2170
Build the Guild Hall system in three tiers: Small Guild, Large Guild, Personal Housing
Different pricing for each of the options available.

Cronos.6532
GH have an outdoor portion and is built with verticality in mind
Put Kouris in the GH (Use GW2W to find who kouris is if you don’t already know )

Prophet.6257
adding a couple different paths to obtain a GH

timmyf.1490
Guild Halls should allow guild leaders/officers to recognize the contribution of members

Edgar Doiron.2804
Collective ideas https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/CDI-Guilds-Guild-Halls/4454727
Some ideas already mentionned. I will report only what I didn’t see before:
GH can be an entire instanced map and the GH/castle is only a fraction of the map Option to build smaller houses in this map.

Edgar Doiron.2804
Guild Neighbourhoods: this has been done in LOTRO

Neox.3497
GH should not make Royal Terrace Pass/Captain’s Airship Pass useless/obsolete

Sol.8341
Ability to load Guild Hall Structure against another Guild’s for capture the flag map GvG
Release of a worldbuilder client with tools to customise Guild Hall Structure. Think Lego Sandbox.

Ben K.6238
WvW guild castles that contribute to the score Take inspiration from Aion.

MakubeC.3026
Place GH where Guilds could logically coexist, even if they in reality don’t
Don’t place all GH at the same location.
Place a board where you can see a summary for each player
Includes hours played, AP, short description of themselves that they wrote.

Thats it for Page II

Continues for Page III

Following Orpheal.8263 footsteps, I present you the Guild Hall CDI – The condensed summary edition!

Please do NOT post your ideas here. Check out the link below if you have a suggestion:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/CDI-Guilds-Guild-Halls/first

Link to the previous CDI summary thread :
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Guild-CDI-The-Complete-Summary-Edition/first#post4470257

This summary won’t repeat suggestions that have been named xx times, it is a summary of the main thread page by page and each idea is included once. I have also included sub discussions between devs and players but that are scattered through pages.
Note : I shorten Guild Hall as GH.

PAGE 1

vonbladewing.5973
Guild Hall is purchased a floating island in the mists. More buildings can be added to the island

EnemyCrusher.7324
Guild hall can be upgraded to have the same services as the borderland, without the queue

Stars.2179
Guild Hall should be decorated and the decorations can be customized

Yalora Istairiea.6287
Collective Ideas – https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/CDI-Guilds-Guild-Halls/4454209
The Guild District Instanced part of LA or major city where guild members can gather together.
The Guild Plot Guild Hall have a footprint on their surroundings
Requirements to build a guild hall

Tobias Trueflight.8350
Each member of the guild can contribute to the GH building Contributions can take the form of gold, materials etc…

Arcadio.6875
Possibility to fast travel/warp to the GH with the guild pannel (ala GW1)
Guild Halls have portals to the WvW

Retro.6831
GH neighbourhood are instanced, only the most prestigious appear in open world LA

Tamasan.6457
GH are also used for GvG

Conski Deshan.2057
Collective ideas https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/CDI-Guilds-Guild-Halls/4454253
GH are a nexus of rewards and “bragging rights” Include earned trophies and displays a leaderboard inside the GH
General appearance of the Hall can be chosen (ala GW1)
GH include duelling ring/golem chess/target dummies (same as HotM)

Devata.6589
GH letting you unlock ‘building blocks’ with other guild activities

AlienMenace.7516
Guild Hall entrances should be in existing zones (not just LA)

Clerigo.9475
Entry points for porting to your GH would be in major locations like ebonhawke The constant flow of players getting in or out of GH would help fill these places
guild Hall of Monuments

Rambodacious.7495
GH are instanced zones that act as WvW maps when queued up Similar to how SPvP queueing works now

Relshdan.6854
Guild Neighborhoods: instanced zones that can host multiple GH from different guilds
Relshdan outlined that it could outshine the Personnal instance.

Arzo.8671
make sure you implement GH so that small guilds can be involved as well

Iason Evan.3806
Guild Town: GH have connections to personnal instances and capitals

Piogre.2164
Guild member statues and portraits, and item display cases in the GH

Yalora Istairiea.6287
GH can also include Alliance Courtyard Courtyard might propose services that GH cannot.+

candeewolf.8234
GH can include a function to create exclusive access shards for organizing megabosses.

Vanive.3804
nodes for harvesting that you unlock through guild achievements in the GH

Thats it for Page I
Everything in between of stuff, that isn’t mentioned here were either Dev Postings, discussions between people, repeated suggestions or offtopic postings/rants and other stuff which I left out here for this conscise full summary.

Continues for Page II

How about hosting matches of polymock using mini pet as our pieces in the home instances ?

#imaginationrunningwild

Devata.6589:

About the connecting guild-halls. Have a look at this suggestion from Retro on page 1.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/CDI-Guilds-Guild-Halls/first#post4454383

Is anybody managing a new thread to summarize this CDI-topic ?

If not, do you mind if I start one ? I’m starting to get lost.

maha.7902:

Organised groups are the minority in gw2.

Therefore it seems to me that it is actually the top 5% who are the ones stacking queen and it’s the 90% of pugs who are ranging.

True. I’m getting sleepy so my post might not be perfectly proofread.

My point was : I tried to “range” the taskmaster in CoF P1 as a zerker thief. Good lord it hurts. I changed to knight and everything got smoother… and a bit slower (note : I am not a good player by any stretch of imagination).

Either I do things according to the meta way and it’s boring. Or I do things the pug way and I better switch back to knight because I’m not a good player.

munkiman.3068:

Quick illustration of an alliance hub attached (in leui of a separate hall) The hub would always be the same style and it’s entire purpose would be linking guild halls together to form one very large “hall”. When a guild leaves, there would be a “blank” template that takes it’s spot until it’s filled. No fighting, no loss of upgrade contributions, etc.

Thought about this while I was starting to read you post. That’s an engaging idea. I wonder if GW2 has a technology to generate maps on the fly like this. IIRC, only fixed versions of the existing maps are stored on our hard drives.

Any dev can answer this ?

EgonVenkman.1907:

That is a big part of the problem with zerker in general. Unless they use other universally annoying tactics for the mobs, Beserker stats just dominate overall. Anet goes for the 1-2 hit K.O. which invalidates the need for toughness or healing mechanics that could be used to support that gameplay. They pretty much wrote themselves into a corner when they decided beserker stats was a good idea.

I think many people miss the point on the berserker dominance “issue”.

Optimized groups DO have the trinity of damage/control/support. Control come in the form of projectile negation and bump, support comes in the form of aegis, protection and might. Players can perform these roles while wearing zerker/assassin.

Berserker is not bad because it deals the most damage. It is bad because under the current system it allows you to clear most bosses quickly enough to skip their entire fight mechanic.

The most overused example is how optimised groups can clear the spider queen in AC. Most of us PuG AC. In this context, the group usually range the spider and try to dodge its poison areas (you do not stand idle pressing 1 while doing this btw). While repetitive and boring, it does require you to know when to dodge and when to clean immobilize.
An optimised group usually kills the spider under 4 seconds, which prevent the boss to use any of its attacks (including poison area) basically neutering the encounter and making it uninteresting, since you are just repeating your rotation and the might stacking. And the only thing you do during almost every encounter in the kitten ed dungeon is repeat the sequence pre-stack -> rotation. This makes things boring very quickly.

Berzerker gear was intended to be the gear of the top 5% elite players because only these people are skilled enough to be viable with such fragility. Because of loopholes in encounter design, 90% of the people can carry berserker armour and be viable in dungeon. This is the true problem behind the berserker dominance. Berserker stat is not a problem in itself and removing it won’t change anything.

what about raids ?

The major danger of implementing raids especially if its a 2-party-of-five dungeon is to have most of its interesting elements neutralized by the same tactic.
Having giant overpowered monsters like tequatl that are immuned to criticals and render condition builds ineffective because of engine limitations has at least two qualities :
– the optimized gear is not berserker anymore (it’s PVT)
– you have more leeway in what gear you can bring
– no way you can find a strategy that is so efficient that you wreck the megaboss before it can unleash its attacks, making it a challenge just because you have to stay on your toes even though you know the encounter by heart.

RoseofGilead.8907:

bri.2359:

Yup, I agree, but that 1% is what I mainly use my condi necro for over the past 8-9-months: dealing with the champ husks at the Tripple-Trouble Wurm event.

So, my scepter/dagger get a good workout at least once per day …:p

Yup! Same for me.

We’re all on the same boat here.

@OP : if you want build advices for necro, you might want to check Spoj guide and nemesis’s youtube. Both have some nice ideas that you can try out. I’m not saying that all builds proposed are effective everywhere, but each of them creates a different sensation of gameplay.

On the topic of guild visibility in the open world.

How about recruiting boards ?

The recruiting board could be located close to the guild bank NPCs in the cities. Allows players to see which guild are recruiting and what are their level of requirement. Add a filter function that include “proportion of people from your server”; “size”; “sPvP, WvW, PvE, PvX centered guild” etc…

This “upgrade” should be purchasable under the category of “politics” for a small cost in influence.

Conski Deshan.2057:

Grevender.9235:

VodCom.6924:

JonPeters.5630:

Good categories. I agree influence is not a good system and we should think about how we would change how you obtain upgrades once we have talked through the specifics of what kind of upgrades a new system has and how it incorporates the existing upgrades.

Apologies for picking up the discussion late.

The system influence/merits system is by no mean perfect however I do not think a massive revamp is necessary (like supression of glory in spvp).

The massive flaw of the merits is that they are earned only through PvE guild mission and this excludes WvW and sPvP centered guilds. Introducing new ways to earn merits in the two modes is a good start.

As far as I understand, influence is a “measure” of the activity of the members of the guilds and merits reward your achievments done collectively as a guild.

Also, as others suggested earlier, we’ll need new guild challenges and event that need to be done as a guild.

the true problem imho is that “influence” serves a purpose that is normally fulfilled by “money”; therefore “influence” should be recalibrated to be proportional and reflect the amount of efforts invested in a certain area of the game.
I really think we have way too many currencies…

The problem with influence is that it is literally gold, you can buy as much of it as you want for gold meaning anything you put behind just influence will be unlocked immediately and not by the active guilds, by the whales and TPer’s.

Proposed change :
Replace influence with a guild funding pool: a common pool of gold that every member can contribute to. Nobody can withdraw money from this pool and it can only be spent for guild upgrades/consumables etc… What provided influence now adds gold to the pool.

This frees up influence for some other use. What kind of use exactly ? I don’t know.

Looking at the ToL top 4 team composition can give you an idea of how well classes perform in team PvP. This has nothing to do with the efficiency of the same class in hotjoin PvP (the meta is completely different).

In WvW, the meta is still (IIRC) the good old GWEN meta for zerging. The changes are relevant if you belong to a havoc team or doing solo roaming (I don’t know this area of the game well so I won’t give any advice).

In general PvE, take whatever you want, everyone can shine. The only place where classes are relevant is the speed clear niche gameplay.

The forums are useful for 3 things :
– looking for pinned guide threads. These are very well done. Don’t look at the “post your build” threads, they are confusing as hell.
– asking for tips (and only tips)
– whining, which is the prevalent activity of the Internet.

you might want to step away from the meta in the open world : dagger/warhorn + staff is also ok. Some also like DW + Axe/focus.

In speed clear groups people will expect you to carry what oxtred said.

A way to solve this problem is to chain death blossom followed by heart seeker while having your target locked.

This will bring you back in auto-attack range.

What Zaxares said, although I suggest replaying the story with alts since you’ll get loot the first time you complete each step.

Remember that your portal has a maximum range.

This discussion is going nowhere.

We don’t have data or knowledge about the market for precursors. Period. As long as we don’t have official and complete data, you have the choice between :

- grinding for the precursor of a shiny legendary that you want everyone to see.
– buying a precursor for a niche use legendary (torch, focus, warhorn, UW weapons)
– trying to forge your precursor

I suggest the whiners to stop whining for their own sanity and mine, because this is the way it is since day 1 and until an hypothetical precursor hunt, NOTHING will change.

trading is like breeding puppies :

Stop watching over for an hour and immediately you start walking in poo.

Raising 1 copper is fair game. Trying to shoehorn a minimum “raising” amount won’t solve your problem, people will continue to outbid you when you aren’t looking.

JonPeters.5630:

Good categories. I agree influence is not a good system and we should think about how we would change how you obtain upgrades once we have talked through the specifics of what kind of upgrades a new system has and how it incorporates the existing upgrades.

Apologies for picking up the discussion late.

The system influence/merits system is by no mean perfect however I do not think a massive revamp is necessary (like supression of glory in spvp).

The massive flaw of the merits is that they are earned only through PvE guild mission and this excludes WvW and sPvP centered guilds. Introducing new ways to earn merits in the two modes is a good start.

As far as I understand, influence is a “measure” of the activity of the members of the guilds and merits reward your achievments done collectively as a guild.

Also, as others suggested earlier, we’ll need new guild challenges and event that need to be done as a guild.

Bri.8354:

What’s with all this hatred towards complex and challenging content? Are the people against raids even interested in the core game mechanics?

I don’t think it’s hatred toward complex content, rather a mix of :
- what is a raid in GW2 ? Is it a megaboss (teq, wurm) ? a 10 man dungeon ? a 25 player dungeon ? The more I read this thread, the more I think we (including me) are arguing over totally different things.
Personnaly I am a lot in favor of new megabosses (and the return of previous ones) however I am deeply against 10 player dungeons.

- Are there any mechanics in GW2 that prevent group based instanced content to be facerolled using the same tactic over and over again (i.e zerker stacking) without making it obnoxiously hard/long for players that do not optimize their characters at 100% ?

- Remember that no developer has been able to pull out content faster than the players chew through it. I am wondering whether implementing any raid is worth the effort. Why not trying something else (something more sandbox) ?

People that are in favor of this type of content all seem bored to no end by repeating the same dungeons over and over again. For them, it looks like like raids could be at the same time, a step up in difficulty and required coordination as well as new content to try.

maddoctor.2738:

Mechanics are here, stat combos are here, the trinity (Damage/Control/Support) is here in any form of PVP. I believe before the Raid CDI they should do a Mob CDI, how to redesign every single mob to use more PVP-like abilities that will make PVE better and not just Damage/Damage/Damage.

You have me regain faith in humanity. Thanks for summing this up so nicely.

Devata.6589:

And there is no need to level the playing field. Bigger guilds can and should be able to do more as long as small guilds also can have a shot at everything. Just as in the step one option.

As I said earlier, not scaling the rewards implies that :
- either larger guild trivialize the building of a guild hall (they have tons of influence to spend immediately on this)
or
– having a nice guild hall is impossible for smaller guilds (takes too much time to gather all the influence/merits)

This is why I proposed the scaling in the first place. So that the majority of guilds can build get their hall and customise it in a reasonable amount of time while keeping the sense of accomplishment. It does not have to pusnish, there is a difference between a large guild getting a reward 10% faster than a small guild and getting the same reward 400% faster, the former being where I am aiming

Larger guilds will have the advantage of unlocking more options quicker (since the requirement does not scale) as well as boasting more trophies and accomplishments, because of higher pool of players (much more likely to have 5 great players of sanctum sprint in a 400 ppl guild than in a 20 ppl one).