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as title .especially not from raid

its bad in many ways.

if its useful in practical ways

it will hurt game balance ,since you wont be able to use it in pvp and anet will try to balance both tgt.
it will reduce class uniqueness (sorry to say but this is still a rpg game after all )
it will make power creep worse , also add more unwanted soft "gear check "(anyone remember what eotn did to gw1 with consumables would have experienced this already ).
it will turn game more towards to inventory management (if its not bad enough for you , here we go , portal , jump gun , feather harpy .ele powder ,orc pet ,healing trees we dont raid or fractal until our bags are full of useful tools ! who need skills at all).

if its not useful in practical ways
like white mantle portal device .

we got people whining and whining and whining for what they are never supposed to get .

in general , bad decision and it is a waste on drop table from raid boss now for few people who wants to use portal in each fractal run but refused to play mes and called mes being greed for not willing hand portal over (ironical usage of word "greed " in their post btw ).

conclusion :please never kittening do this again , especially never kittening do it again with mesmer portal .

forum bug babaljdanskd

Erzian.5218:

musu.9205:

was used

You got the tense right, congratulations.

i said that sentence to explain why portal has huge impact and why it holds core mes back from buffs.and why portal is a sensitive topic for mes mains .

again nothing about chrono being useful /must /viable in raid group .

read context for once please . i really have patience today .

Erzian.5218:

Yes I know that reddit post. Now hop into the game and check out what raid groups look like. You will be impressed by the absurd amount of thieves and engis. If you wonder why, just check the forums, I am confident there are enough threads that discuss classes and their roles in raids.
The last time I had a thief in raids, was my own because I was bored and wanted to try something else. Tell you what, it sucked compared to every other class I have played in raids so far.

how about you go and whine about black lion chest . you know worst rng based stuff in game totally not worth the real monet and it affects all players.

im waiting for you new post anyway

Erzian.5218:

Cyninja.2954:

I think you’re right. I was supprised Thiefs and Engineers are useless now. Last I checked Thief got a major damage buff a while back and is in one of the top dps spots in raids with autoattacks and engineer was always useful, just very difficult to play.

I think this is the part where rational people back away very very slowly.

Perhaps if you start playing the game instead of making up non-sense based on patch notes you might realize what is actually going on. I just leave this screenshot (taken a couple of minutes ago). You might be surprised but it hardly looks any different in terms of engis and thieves during prime time. Engi was desired before the slick shoes nerf because of its insane cc but that is gone. Thief is simply an ele with less utility and less dps most of the time. If you think that doesn’t prove anything, feel free and check out more recent quick and successful runs on raid bosses. Or even things like 6 men boss x. Everyone runs a mesmer (without portal btw), warriors, eles and druids. nearly nobody runs thief or engi. Although it’s not what this topic is about, I hope it shows you why I and others disagree with the points that you are making, It appears, that you are very poorly informed.

musu.9205:

was used

You got the tense right, congratulations.

let me repeat since you really failed to read many many times :

none of us ever said mes/chrono is useless without portal.

what i said :

chrono=/= mes . and we still need balance core class for future expansion
portal : a huge impact in all game modes . devs and many players take it as a fact . maybe you should agree with us .
anet balance pve and pvp all tgt . and anet wont hand portal to any other class for balance reason (ele necro etc will be broken with portal). so while portal hold mes back from dps buff due to pvp . but every class could use portal in pve . its ofc unfair to mes and certainly a nerf to mes . yes it wont make chrono unplayable . but it might make core mes completely useless . why mes main should feel happy about a random nerf just because you want to use a raid reward.

btw you think the white mantle portal device is not worth the price and us mes mains should go to help engi and thief .
by same logic , you should go to whine about black lion chest first . im pretty sure its much worse than WMPD and it affects more people too .

Erzian.5218:

you should start making threads about making thief and engineer useful instead of your "

you dont even know what kind of balance i was talking about .

portal is a skill which has huge impact in many places . no matter how you try to ignore this , this is a fact in all game modes . a term -portal bot was used in all game modes referring to mes for reasons .

and any other skills same as class skill either far weaker or with longass cd some even are weaker with longass cd .

also anet tried and is still trying to balance pve and pvp at same time . i already said why giving other classes portal in pve will make mes balance worse . chrono is only one elite spec . we have core mes and next expansion elite as well. so while portal hold mes back from needed buffs for pvp , pve mes will suffer as their portal being taken by all other classes and others doing far better dps . without elite the classes like ranger only has spirits and spotter for teamplay . mes only has portal . since everything else others do better .
for its equal , unless anet hands spirits to all classes i see no point .

secondly ,this game was designed around combat skills from class skill bar .you select weapon and skill to do limited things .and also professions exist for reasons ,one being not throw all stuff into one .yeah it would feel bad when i am on ele and i just want to get a friend to jp . but its same when i am on my mes and cant do much dps alone.

btw you know .few of people here already said those things times and you guys just refused to read and assuming some sort of mes greed .
a class being portal bot for 3 years , and rest of gamelife its being quicknessbot at same time it holds lowest dps title for 4 years and no foreseen changes .anyone with sanity would think twice before put words like greed or jealous on a support heavy class.

Cyninja.2954:

Erzian.5218:

Cyninja.2954:

bla bla

Because it is so hard and difficult to make a mesmer, level it to 80 and unlock portal. I guess only talented and superior human beings that main mesmer can do it :^)
I mean you have to create a character, click 79 of your 2k+ tomes of knowledge and then unlock the skill. Tough task.
Sometimes i really wonder if the outrageous entitlement and jealousy that others might have access to portal without paying 9g/use comes automatically with playing a mesmer.
Its especially astonishing since most portals are probably used in open world to help other players. (!)
Would be funny if every warrior and thief player behaved like mesmer players, the complaints about the executioner axe toy would be endless as it challenges your superior mobility.

Way to miss the point, good try though to change the subject.

This is not about playing mesmer or other classes, but thank you for making just my point. We are in agreement then that giving this skill would make people play less mesmers since one of their unique skills was removed. I also said I would rather they give the skill out as baseline to otherclasses and balance around that than have an unbalanced toy (which in itsself brings a lot of other problems it being raid exclusive etc, but lets ignore that for now).

The person who is acting entitled here is you, not people who are concerned about the general balance of the game or uniquness of classes.

As I mentioned futher up, if you need more portals than the device allows, roll a mesmer (same suggestion you made). If the mesmer does not suit your needs but you still want the portal, well I guess we now see where the problem lies.

i think at this point , arguing with him is pretty much pointless . i suggest we all admit he won this thread . and he could do what i list above to take over rest of tyria .let us look forward .

TexZero.7910:

Cyninja.2954:

TexZero.7910:

Rednik.3809:

TexZero.7910:

And yet again i had no clue mesmer’s only skill was portal.

The hyperbole can stop anytime now.

And you have no idea what you are asking for, when you want to permanently get one of most unique class skills in the game for a gold equivalent of few hours of AB farm.

Again, 99% of that already exist in game. There are literally consumables that give you skills of other classes, if not superior versions.

Also, why are we even bringing up the use of an exploit to gain gold and relating it to class skills.

I gave you a simple comparison, where in a “toy” as you put it outshines the actual skill. So how is this in your mind acceptable but keeping both skills unique and having meaningful cooldowns not ?

Again:

TexZero.7910:

There are literally consumables that give you skills of other classes, if not superior versions.

And again since if it wasn’t obvious enough:

TexZero.7910:

consumables

That is the big difference. on top of that in this case it’s consumables that cost 5-10 gold. Big difference. If someone wants to shell out 10 gold to mimic another classes skill, fine. Making it baseline available to everyone for permanent use, not.

There is very few skills that would have that big an effect on the game if widely spread like portal. All future content would have to be designed with the possibility of multiple portals in a group. Old content would become vastly obsolete. Mesmer can already bypass great amounts of HoT mastery requirements and transport players to places they are supposed to reach later not to mention jumping puzzles.

Stop looking at this from a “I want want want, gimme gimme gimme!” perspective but actualy from a design and health of game perspective if you don’t care about class design and uniquness.

Personally the way this disscussion is headed I would love for arenanet to close this opened bottle. Remove the device, refund players their expense, add similar mechanics to a few classes if they absolutely want more classes to have portal availability. That way this could at least be balanced somewhat.

Oh please spare me the word play. The tools in question do the same thing regardless of the label you place on them.

Portal having a widespread impact ?
Really, outside of skipping certain area’s of play what does a portal do that a glider doesnt already, or heck people just using their space bar.

If you want to talk about the health of the game, consumables that are there for fun having a longer cooldown than the skill counter-part is what balances them. But there’s such a thing as overkill when you apply cooldowns. 30minutes is extreme for any item in this game. Limiting to 5 or even 10 minutes still keeps portal unique and doesnt detract from anyone’s perceived “value” as a class. Which i’ve already called out as bunk, because frankly no one brings a “mesmer” strictly for portal, it’s not the only tool a mesmer has available to them and there are already other consumables with shorter cooldowns that accomplish the same thing.

So all these counterpoints that mesmer players want to keep themselves unique is where the greed and inability to keep gameplay health in mind is getting lost. After all a game is meant to be fun, and you’re trying to take that away for the sake of you instead of actual balanced use of consumables.

you won all this thread since you cant read the reasons many of us listed here .

gratz for that .

now reward yourself either watchclock portal or white mantle ones . or better both . buy more and craft more .

anet will listen to you . and change this tool like what they did to fire ele powder or harpy feather.

since you won the forum , you will get what you want .dont listen to us fool mesmers .
trust yourself .

gw2 is designed to focus on inventory management ! play bags to win !

wait for your full bags of 250 stacks portal device post. it will banish us jealous mesmer into the void (you can take that mes focus skill as well btw)

and dont look at what we said here including how portal have huge impact on game balance and many other aspects . they are all word play .

and happy ending will be you with your ultimate mobile portal warehouse saving tyrians from jp or fractal skip .

you have faith . you made effort . soon anet will obey .

Erzian.5218:

Cyninja.2954:

bla bla

Because it is so hard and difficult to make a mesmer, level it to 80 and unlock portal. I guess only talented and superior human beings that main mesmer can do it :^)
I mean you have to create a character, click 79 of your 2k+ tomes of knowledge and then unlock the skill. Tough task.
Sometimes i really wonder if the outrageous entitlement and jealousy that others might have access to portal without paying 9g/use comes automatically with playing a mesmer.
Its especially astonishing since most portals are probably used in open world to help other players. (!)
Would be funny if every warrior and thief player behaved like mesmer players, the complaints about the executioner axe toy would be endless as it challenges your superior mobility.

whats wrong with your people , if you wanna play some game where everyon could have same abilities , go play fps , oh nope even many fps games dont give all stuff you want for many reasons .

why you guys dont cry about nerfed harpy feather ? nerfed fire ele powder (same longass 30min cd )

lets be honest .its simple you think you spent much effort to get that portal device , now you felt trolled for 30 mins cd.
so how about instead you guys kept whining on forum and anet wont care less about this thread , you could have already sent support ticket to refund .much easier that way .

right now you guys are just making bad of yourselves and making enemies from mesmer mains while ignoring many reasons we listed here .

same argue could be war press 1-2 buttons and get 25 stacks of mights . press 2 button so the one of best buff banners show up for team with large aoe radius . easy right ? so it should be handed to every class since its easy ?

scrapper one button to rez / stomp from range. easy
tempest : automatically stunbreak . not easy but braindead .icebow easy ,FGS easy
necro : boon corruption on aa . easy
etc

what skill is actually tough in gw2 for you ? if not , why we shouldnt just make one class with all those abilities from some pve rewards following your logic ?

why you even play gw2 and reply randomly on forum which certainly didnt take much effort from your part given how you ignored what everyone said and decided to directly attack mesmer mains .

main hand dagger for me .and it would be a middle range weapon .
fast sustain damage.
aa chain could be first :450 range okish power damage ,mark single foe ; second :450range pbaoe around the marked target 240 radius higher power damage ; third : bound foes around marked target with chaos energy when it ends doing spike damage , more bounded foes more damage dealt .duration 3s .raduis 240.

skill 2 : an aoe spell which will mark max 5 targets .also cripple them

skill 3 resonance ?like guard torch skill , active will damage foes around you ,double damage if foes have chaos energy on them.duration 5s .second skill :dash to target leave a clone behind ,also damage target ,double damage if foes has chaos energy on them .

and the elite would be Tuner. you gain 3 chaos slots .f5 :it will change all your clone skills and phants skills and shatter abilities .

when active : your clone skills will apply foes clone(chaos clone) instead yours .its skill will depend on enemy class , like thief steal. chaos clone will have different shatter effect .and when ever enemy being target by chaos clone , they will get a chaos energy debuff icon .

f1. aoe heal around you ,the heal should be on bar with druid
f2 resistance around you
f3 aoe stability also stunbreak
f4 for a short period target damage will cause heal instead .
f5 active chaos clone mode : shatter all your alone .clean condition for each clone you have.
active clone mode :gain 10% damage buff for each clone you have for 10s

f5 cd 20s

GM traits will either give f5 damage buff or healing power buff . so cant have both .

the idea is making healing role and sustain dps role into one but cant perform both at same time . stack damage or stack healing will be your choice .

Nokaru.7831:

musu.9205:

then use watchwork portal device since its same for you . why argue here . go and craft .

I’m not even arguing anything, just pointing out the facts. If pocket mesmer is so offensive to you, then I’m afraid you missed the boat on that a few years ago.

everyone knows its too expensive to ever be practical. so again , whats your point to give watchwork portal device as example ?

and i ensure you if anet ever made watachwork portal device useful with reasonable costs when it came out ,many mesmers would have felt much more offended .back then there wasnt a thing called chrono for quickness bot.

Gudradain.3892:

I think it would be better if every class could do portal.

Everyone wants to be able to do a portal, but no one want to be a portal bot. I initially made a mesmer just to be able to port players into WvW keep, but I never liked playing mesmer. I would much rather like if my ele could do this skill.

honest answer : not gonna happen as long as anet balance pve and pvp as whole.

how to make every class be able to use portal :
1.make it a f6 skill or elite skill , classes like ele or necro will be completely broken in pvp .

2.make it a tool in pve as some achievement reward or raid reward . first of all,it will cause access problem , it will work just like wow gear level .either you have it or you have less choice to join group, it wont be too bad but why make bad design to begin with .secondly, portal hold back mes from ever buffs mes needs like sustain dps and many weapon skills .if anet make portal a general tool in pve but still balance with the idea that portal is still being mes only thing in pvp . it will make mes balance much worse if mes sustain damage isnt screwed enough .right now mes gets chrono to work around , what about next expansion . what about core mes and level experience or solo power ?

Nokaru.7831:

Rednik.3809:

It’s still too close to mesmer, especially for unique class mechanic. Basically, he is asking for pocket mesmer, which is unacceptable. Though, I guess it’s possible to buff one aspect of this toy while nerfing other. Want 1/6 of original CD? Make max portal radius 1/6 too.

Pocket Mesmer already exists with the Watchwork Portal Device.

then use watchwork portal device since its same for you . why argue here . go and craft .

and btw as i remember , not many people enjoy playing consumables wars in gw1 after eotn introduced so many powerful consumables. hopefully anet did learn this lesson .
many play the game for the sake of no gear grind and combat which focus on animation and your own skill bar.
we really dont need to push game to “play my inventory because i collect so many powerful toys through grind or specific pve content .”

locking stats into some contents are already bad enough . creating tools from certain reward too useful will just make this situation worse .

if you really feel trolled by that cd , i suggest you send a email to anet instead of demanding such change without realizing how much conflict it will cause to core game design .

perry.9645:

ok so lets make it a “pocket mesmer”

add permanent alacrity to it
add permanent quickness for 10 people
mimic to double every skill you want
some clones
feedback
ofc polymorph moa

now im ok with 30min cd, just for portal not.

mes=/= chrono for reasons , end of story .

Zui.9245:

Rednik.3809:

It’s still too close to mesmer, especially for unique class mechanic. Basically, he is asking for pocket mesmer, which is unacceptable.

Experimental Teleportation Gun – 30s Cooldown.

Watchwork Portal Device – 90s Cooldown.

The portal mechanic has already been duplicated by other consumables which are better value than the White Mantle Portal Device. Suggesting that a very high cost raid reward should at least have value on-par with those items is far from “unacceptable”. On the contrary, it makes sense.

Other classes have had unique mechanics duplicated, replicated, or improved by consumables or even certain entire skill categories outclassed by consumable items.

Experiemental Rifles are much better than Jump Shot (Engineer Skill).

Executioner’s Axe Toy #2 is the best movement skill in the game, bar none.

Harpy Feathers, Ash Legion Spy Kits, and Order of Whispers spy kits duplicate the Stealth mechanic.

Medical Packs and Medical Kits duplicate Engineer Medical Packs.

Fire Elemental Powder replicates Lesser Fire Elemental (elementalist skill).

Ogre Pet Whistle replicates a ranger pet.

Golem in a Box is the longest range skill in game, beating Engineer Mortar Kit by 100 range.

I could keep going.

And yet, none of these seem to create a problem that replaces classes, or creates a “[insert class here] in a box”. They barely even get used, despite a cost that’s almost invariably less than a few silver each (aside from the Executioner’s Axe Toy). Watchwork Portal Devices don’t create a “Mesmer in a box”, and they’re better than the WM Portal Device.

The White Mantle Portal Device is vastly more expensive, and vastly more exclusive than any of those. Why would you expect it to be a problem, when none of this other stuff, including Experimental Teleportation Guns and Watchwork Portal Devices, are a problem?

lets be honest , all thing you listed except med kit and harpy feather , none of them are class defined skill ,and not as useful as portal ,not even close .

and anet specifically nerfed harpy feather due to people abused it in dungeon run .back then you could say thief still had good aoe blind spam , good single target dps (they get dps back now) but anet nerfed harpy feather anyway .hot already brought too much power creep ,we dont need more by giving all classes some powerful tool which used to be class specific skill.

Experiemental Rifles are much better than Jump Shot (Engineer Skill).
cant be used in dungeon /fractal and has backfire knock .and honestly . do people ever play engi for jump shot , nope .

Executioner’s Axe Toy #2 is the best movement skill in the game, bar none.
first of all, it was/is arguably “pay to win” to begin with . its really a bad example . and again .none plays war for its gs rush .

Medical Packs and Medical Kits duplicate Engineer Medical Packs.
even engi themselves dont use med kit in most cases . and lets be honest , most time people just use it to get fury when solo .fury is such a class defined boon ,right ?

Fire Elemental Powder replicates Lesser Fire Elemental (elementalist skill).
Ogre Pet Whistle replicates a ranger pet.

and this two ,anet specifically added longass cd to them .and cd is 30 mins too . why u even used this two to argue ?

so all skills you listed have limitation ,on the other hand , worse than class skills .only harpy feather is still be useful but thief or engi will do much safer stealth for your group .but a portal just does what mes portal does ,why should it have shorter cd,when mes has to actually use a slot to run portal .

also remember : mes =/= chrono .
and before hot ,in most dungeons and fractal , portal was exactly the only thing for speed runners to bring a mes . that was worse than thief stealth being replaced by harpy feather.

the only class unique things being this level useful are ranger spirits /necro boon corruption and epidemic /chrono alacrity /scrapper res/stomp drone (not for pve )/ herald facet of nature/thief steal/guard aegis/war banner etc .so we should hand those to every class then we could just run tempest only group and no need any balance any more . great idea.

damage/cc/dash-like /even healing are not class specific abilities to begin with .

OriOri.8724:

Considering the relatively high skill floor to be a good mesmer, much less a great one that can dominate in PvP, there is no reason to nerf core mesmer skills. And its laughable that he thinks our confusion is on the same level of evil as a necromancer’s condition application

well condi mes pre-nerf was pretty easy , still higher skill floor than most if not all meta build hot introduced tho .

the one got me is" mes illusion shouldnt follow the player. and its for counterplay "

[&AgGCNAEAAA==] White Mantle Portal Device

i checked code in game
it is exactly mes portal .

i guess , either they think raid needs portal or they are just cluelessly doing this kitten again .

thanks everyone
and for @Justine.6351
i did write the thing i think anet could learn from other games . but since its veiled attack in you eyes , i just shrug

in old days

gw2 community : dont worry , you can always come back since no gear grind no more lvl after 80 etc .

now
"guys i wanna try overwatch they did some things right "

forum : you traitor made quitting thread to attack anet .

after so many nerfs
we got :
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Balance-ideas

Mesmer:
Illusions can no longer follow the player. This enables counterplay in the form of LoS’ing. In other words they can only rush to where the player is, not follow where he is going to be.
Confusion access reduced 15%
Signet of Illusions deleted from the game, cooldowns on profession skills remains intact.
Phase Retreat now a 15 second cooldown.
Ether clone reworked to not generate clones (potentially overpowered)

in short : people in pvp forum still want to delete entire core mes class .its not a surprise tho

for game play wise

since i enjoy mesmer game play but well current game balance is a huge mess .and overwatch seems fairly nice also popular. so if any of you played it , do you find any hero close to gw2 mes ?

.even i really hate blizzard but i have to admit blizzard ,again , took a lot of ideas from other games and polished them ——clear skills tell(most of them),good ui ,certain role for each hero and ofc specific strength and weakness, good generalized art style to be popular (which i hate most about blizzard , they generalized everything to a mud for more easy money ),also generalized background setting.

btw with underwater combat and hot map design(and i almost forgot the edge of the mist lol) ,it shows anet has interest to make gameplay experience more 3D-ish. while anet has done a really impressive work on environment design ,overwatch map looks more combat oriented, and have more interaction with hero skills . i think that’s the direction anet wanted to take but couldn’t do much since the limitation of game engine .but few things anet really should have done better like "no valid path "(pain for thief ), engi grenade (it became more and more like a general aoe with every patch since they too the lazy way to fix it ),thief shortbow 3 ,feedback ,and along with pvp map design. and seriously no skill should ignore LOS . we should have less skills with unwritten "trick " but more actual fun combo .those “tricks” partly are exploits and created unnecessary barrels for newbies .even after so many tooltip" balance" patch balance team managed to leave so many skills with unwritten function which is beyond me .

i really hope sometime anet would do better at “polish” part , no need to “shake the meta”on everything .

shield changes seems good to me .more reliable and meaningful use for full skill chain .

but as for pistol ,if you want to add this much damage to engi weapon set, please remove traits like IP first,its already not fun to play against the rng condi application from engi nades (despite its not op ).
other players after this changes will have to dodge torment ,confusion and poison all in shorter cooldown .

i really think condi application should balance around two playstyles :
burst condition application with high damage condition lilke burn and torment.but overall less cover condition for that build.
sustain condition damage :overall more damage but slower with various cover condition like bleed ,low duration confusion .
poison should stay as a counter to heal .its already stupid on necro .

so as i said , i dont think anet could balance engi weapon set alone without touch the traits line otherwise some combination with kits after changes will be certainly op.

nades + IP is already the sustain condi build for engi .anet should change IP to every 10th attack applies burn(with icd 5s and a bit shorter duration ) and buff mainhand pistol 1 and 3 condition duration a bit . .skill 3 could change to a simple single target skill while it hit the target it also apply the aoe blind around the target .
shield could get some trait to counter cc like when you get stun /dazed your shield skill4 will be recharged and free to use(icd 40s) .

and add some trait to change the function of blast(like the superspeed one but more for burst condition) on engi ,blast on fire =plus aoe burn ,blast on water=weakness ,blast on ice=torment etc .(only except smoke field )
so shield could have more use with boom and elite field .

btw they are still saying CS shouldnt affect elite after moa nerf , they are saying mes condi bomb is op for that 6s they are saying
“anet didnt delete mes yet ,so it is a bad patch “

and people wander why we got cele ele bunker meta last year .taking away any reasonable burst is just right way to avoid bunker meta lol .

just check pvp forum .
moa duration is heavily nerfed into half , and people still saying mes op .

the hate towards mes isnt that its being op or not . it is simple , people dont want to deal with a tricky class as today games (not just gw2)are such braindead production .

Asrat.2645:

musu.9205:

check my post history i literally posted balance/nerf idea about moa . but people just came with random qq about everything mes does .guess what , i do have to defend my class before it gets destroyed again (being a portal bot and thief food isnt fun guys )

I did check your post history. I wasnt happy and I talked about that in a previous post.
Just nerfing the mesmer to the ground due to being too uniformed to understand the class is a bad attempt.
But defending an op class just because you dont want to loose your spot in the meta isnt good either.
Mesmer needs nerfs. It doesnt need major nerfs, but certain traits and abilities are either overperforming, or simply meant to cover up flaws in gameplay.
If something is too strong, you nerf it. If you overnerfed it, you buff it. And you keep going until you have good balance.
Mesmer is no exeption.
I only wish they would do that kitten faster than once/season so opness or unviability doesnt get to ruin everybody’s good time.

well , then i can agree with you .

the problem is that anet doing balance patch so slow , so we all fear what is coming .

Jekkt.6045:

musu.9205:

Jekkt.6045:

nerf shield, inspiration and disable continuum split for elites. give moa a condi cleanse and a duration reduction to 6s. lower moa cooldown to 120. -> chrono balanced.

nerf everything useful on mes . mes is deleted .fixed for u

nerf everything that’s unbalanced on mes. fixed that for you.

inspiration line is perfectly balanced and even needs buff on some trait .and btw its the only trait line that offers mes reliable condi removal.

but inspiration lines works pretty good with shield 4 ,CP and IR and PoM.

it looks too good for you ,but if you nerf of them , all mes builds suffer and , mes only gets one build in meta .

but let me guess ,you only know the condi cleanse on shatter trait and think its op so you want it gone .

moa coolddown should be 90 s with 8s duration . nothing more .

if F5 doesnt affect elites then TW CD should be 120s .MI should have other effects .

Asrat.2645:

Dahkeus.8243:

So…this class avoids damage like the S/D thiefs back in the days before HoT and sword/acro nerfs.

It brings the most effective CC in the game and can drop it twice in a row, on two targets at once, or continually less than half the cooldown it was originally balanced around.

It also bring some of the best boon strip available.

But just because the DPS is mediocre, people are trying to defend Chrono like it’s balanced.

Sorry, but chrono is the worst offender of the HoT power creep and it’s gotten worse. The only consolation is that it’s not as bad as it was in S1 where a mesmer was also a guaranteed rez/stomp in any team fight. However, as other classes were toned down, and in some cases just nailed heavily with nerfs (I.e. Scrappers and DH), mesmer is still a beast.

There will always be wild rhetoric when it comes to people calling for nerfs, but let’s be honest here.

This class is severely broken and I guarantee that if we don’t see significant changes, people at high tiers of S3 will realize that games will be primarily determined by which team has more mesmers.

Boon strip?
That is exactly the reason why the mesmers dont take us serious and dont think we know what we are talking about.

check my post history i literally posted balance/nerf idea about moa . but people just came with random qq about everything mes does .guess what , i do have to defend my class before it gets destroyed again (being a portal bot and thief food isnt fun guys )

Jekkt.6045:

nerf shield, inspiration and disable continuum split for elites. give moa a condi cleanse and a duration reduction to 6s. lower moa cooldown to 120. -> chrono balanced.

nerf everything useful on mes . mes is deleted .fixed for u

Dahkeus.8243:

So…this class avoids damage like the S/D thiefs back in the days before HoT and sword/acro nerfs.

It brings the most effective CC in the game and can drop it twice in a row, on two targets at once, or continually less than half the cooldown it was originally balanced around.

It also bring some of the best boon strip available.

But just because the DPS is mediocre, people are trying to defend Chrono like it’s balanced.

Sorry, but chrono is the worst offender of the HoT power creep and it’s gotten worse. The only consolation is that it’s not as bad as it was in S1 where a mesmer was also a guaranteed rez/stomp in any team fight. However, as other classes were toned down, and in some cases just nailed heavily with nerfs (I.e. Scrappers and DH), mesmer is still a beast.

There will always be wild rhetoric when it comes to people calling for nerfs, but let’s be honest here.

This class is severely broken and I guarantee that if we don’t see significant changes, people at high tiers of S3 will realize that games will be primarily determined by which team has more mesmers.

“It also bring some of the best boon strip available.”

if you really want to call something op , please , at very least check the build you are complaining .
link ?
http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Chronomancer_-_Chronophantasma_Shatter

sword slow AA chain must be best boon strip somehow in your eyes lol .and corruption on necro ranged weapon scepter AA chain is laughing at you .

and despite mes being op or not , its like thief , stacking damage dealer mes isnt a wise beside thatop mantra period(lasted for two weeks) and s1 broken bunker chronomancer

Zeghart.9841:

musu.9205:

and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .

So Mes is countered by classes that are completely out of the meta? Mmmmh.

Sorry pal, but you just sound like an angry mesmer player. That list is pretty accurate, and Mesmer is definitely overperforming. Everyone was shocked that the class was basically untouched in the last balance patch.

everyone was complaining DH everywhere too.

and remember the time that cele ele being too good , its counter signet necro stayed in meta too . but with buff war got , im not sure if they have enough kits to offer to a team .but they are in much better position now with better sustain .

if you only care to balance around 1v1 , keep QQing , i wont be bothered , but in QQ in wvw forum please

Darknicrofia.2604:

musu.9205:

Darknicrofia.2604:

musu.9205:

http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

this stupid nonsense :
quote “Recent changes have been all buffs for the mesmer, which has only make this class even better than it was before. Running the same meta build, Flow of Time’s increase in alacrity uptime has only made this stronger which puts mesmer at the top of the charts.”

and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .

and its titled as By Storm & Pro Leaguers

more ridiculous it puts tempest below chronomancer lol in A tier

and this is following the trend mes hate in pvp forum i wonder if some so called pro team intended to make false info to make mes nerfed into ground again hint there is only few good mes in pvp tournament and not every team gets one .

srsly , i would like to see any team in tournament without a tempest or rev . If they really see mes being that powerful , please run double mes or more vs another team with equal skill .

this kinda of article matter nothing , since now they calling mes S tier , later in tournament they run tempest ,rev ,scrapper and war .the words have no consequence in those peoples mind and hence why they never ever tried to prove their words by facts and action .

honorable mention :scepter condi mes was totally dominating pvp!

are you kittened? pro league teams don’t run double mes because you’re not allowed to class stack.

if it was allowed, EVERY single team would run double mes, double rev and an ele.

this is why people like you QQ ing about mes blindly are just plain stupid .

Its not like they can’t do a match out of tournament , just to prove their point .

or simply , dont run tempest , since they think mes is S tier and tempest is A tier .

i wonder how it will goes .

why the hell would they take time out of their practice scrim schedule to play stacked classes when that’s not what will help them get the prize money?

they should do it and then post a youtube video and analyze the entire game with commentary just so it can actually prove to YOU, random amber #20583 that yes, mesmers are indeed OP?

oh and PZ is a pro league team that has been running without a tempest, even before the patch.

and without hard facts and actual detailed info , in the past , we got that famous scream "scepter condi mes will dominate pvp "from Helseth.

Did you see that ever even happen? and Helseth was considered one of best mes in gw2 .

Darknicrofia.2604:

musu.9205:

Darknicrofia.2604:

musu.9205:

http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

this stupid nonsense :
quote “Recent changes have been all buffs for the mesmer, which has only make this class even better than it was before. Running the same meta build, Flow of Time’s increase in alacrity uptime has only made this stronger which puts mesmer at the top of the charts.”

and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .

and its titled as By Storm & Pro Leaguers

more ridiculous it puts tempest below chronomancer lol in A tier

and this is following the trend mes hate in pvp forum i wonder if some so called pro team intended to make false info to make mes nerfed into ground again hint there is only few good mes in pvp tournament and not every team gets one .

srsly , i would like to see any team in tournament without a tempest or rev . If they really see mes being that powerful , please run double mes or more vs another team with equal skill .

this kinda of article matter nothing , since now they calling mes S tier , later in tournament they run tempest ,rev ,scrapper and war .the words have no consequence in those peoples mind and hence why they never ever tried to prove their words by facts and action .

honorable mention :scepter condi mes was totally dominating pvp!

are you kittened? pro league teams don’t run double mes because you’re not allowed to class stack.

if it was allowed, EVERY single team would run double mes, double rev and an ele.

this is why people like you QQ ing about mes blindly are just plain stupid .

Its not like they can’t do a match out of tournament , just to prove their point .

or simply , dont run tempest , since they think mes is S tier and tempest is A tier .

i wonder how it will goes .

why the hell would they take time out of their practice scrim schedule to play stacked classes when that’s not what will help them get the prize money?

they should do it and then post a youtube video and analyze the entire game with commentary just so it can actually prove to YOU, random amber #20583 that yes, mesmers are indeed OP?

oh and PZ is a pro league team that has been running without a tempest, even before the patch.

thats why i said :
this kinda of article matter nothing , since now they calling mes S tier , later in tournament they run tempest ,rev ,scrapper and war .the words have no consequence in those peoples mind and hence why they never ever tried to prove their words by facts and action .

you dont prove your stuff with detailed info and better the actual match , your words will be doubted . and since they wrote that stuff and certainly intended to affect game balance with their authority . it is called responsibility. If they DO NOT WANT TO prove things they said . They should NOT try to write stuff like that .

plain and simple .

BloodriverTim.2031:

I’m not sure how condi necro counters mes with all the clear mes has. That being said, I don’t think all of the hate is deserved. Ele’s got a dmg buff with no nerf to their sustain, yet no one has mentioned anything about them being too good. Rev’s got a wrist slap in the patch and they aren’t getting nearly the attention that mes is. I think it comes down to the idea that people like to complain about whatever they can because they don’t like change.

they need to time the signet right and get lucky on passive proc. im talking about core necro condi build .reaper could be kited easier .but they are still dangerous enough for a mes to stay on point .a soft counter id say .

Avigrus.2871:

Let’s hope they don’t get completely gutted like Necros – what happened to shaving and adjusting instead of taking a hammer to a class.

core necro ,power reaper seems better now , not sure tho , it depends on the team comp ,especially we hardly know if war and thief could make a come back .

tempest most likely will still be a must , rev still have many tools ,mobility and its massive damage with good sustain .they will stay in meta .

due to tempest and now condi reaper is far less dangerous , mes can be the key to counter tempest or i should say moa will be only possible way to deal with tempest in team fight .

with war buff , we may say more burst damage next season that will make moa feel more op since you will get downed faster in moa form now .even tho mes wont be the main damage dealer

So in short , i have no hope at all , anet will overnerf us again.

http://academygamingnet.com/guild-wars-2-class-tier-list-april-27th-2016/

this stupid nonsense :
quote “Recent changes have been all buffs for the mesmer, which has only make this class even better than it was before. Running the same meta build, Flow of Time’s increase in alacrity uptime has only made this stronger which puts mesmer at the top of the charts.”

and it ignores the fact that mes has trash damage in team fight also is countered by war , condi necro , and DH even DD could beat a condi mes on its own .

and its titled as By Storm & Pro Leaguers

more ridiculous it puts tempest below chronomancer lol in A tier

and this is following the trend mes hate in pvp forum i wonder if some so called pro team intended to make false info to make mes nerfed into ground again hint there is only few good mes in pvp tournament and not every team gets one .

srsly , i would like to see any team in tournament without a tempest or rev . If they really see mes being that powerful , please run double mes or more vs another team with equal skill .

this kinda of article matter nothing , since now they calling mes S tier , later in tournament they run tempest ,rev ,scrapper and war .the words have no consequence in those peoples mind and hence why they never ever tried to prove their words by facts and action .

honorable mention :scepter condi mes was totally dominating pvp!

Jekkt.6045:

a reasonable moa nerf would be:

moa cooldown reduced to 120s

moa duration reduced to 6s

moa gives you 5 stacks of stability for 3s

screech (skill 4) cleanses 5 conditions, weakness removed, casting time from 1.25 to 0.75s. castable while moving.

flee (skill 5) range reduced by a small amount.

you meant same cd but far worse than engi one lol , yep thats reasonable nerf .
and 5 staack of stability lol

Ravenmoon.5318:

Problem is, shatters don’t care what utilities you have and/or use. So it’s highly unlikely they rework the split to reverse everything BUT the elite.

I’m pretty sure the system currently makes a snapshot of your character and when the split runs out the snapshot is going replacing your current player instance. This makes recognition of abilities kind of difficult. Unless they hardcode some kitten.

Hardcoding kitten is bad.

well second suggestion i do think its hard to do .

but how about first one .

Ravenmoon.5318:

You don’t know how most people trigger split for moa. I’m sorry but i can’t take your opinion seriously on the matter.

P.S: There’s no spamming involved and I’m perfectly capable of continumm split with 0.5 seconds of duration if used without clones. Even if they increase moa cast time.

you didnt even read first one of the changes ——make continumm split not work with elite .
forum lol

first of all please read all of changes i listed here before screaming

1. make f5 not work on elite

2. reduce moa cd to 90s or 120s depends ,reduce time wrap cd to 120s or 150s depends, add superspeed to MI

3. when moa form ends ,it will remove 3 conditions on whom gets moaed ,also add 1 stack of stability and resistance for 2 s duration .

4.make f5 reward better setup rather than spamming ,active f5 without illusion , mes gets 1s duration ,with one illusion 2s duration,two illusion 5s duration three illusion 10s duration

also another way to balance f5 :
make it not reset mes hp and position
but work like this : active f5 ,you get a period of time you can use any skills that will be saved
so when the duration ends ,you can press f5 again to reset any skills you used during that period . this ability also has a timer limitation .
tho i dont know if anet could do it .
sorry for bad english

also another way to balance f5 :

make it not reset mes hp and position

but work like this : active f5 ,you get a period of time you can use any skills that will be saved
so when the duration ends ,you can press f5 again to reset any skills you used during that period . this ability also has a timer limitation .

tho i dont know if anet could do it .

sorry for bad english

first of all please read all of changes i listed here before screaming

1. make f5 not work on elite

2. reduce moa cd to 90s or 120s depends ,reduce time wrap cd to 120s or 150s depends, add superspeed to MI

3. when moa form ends ,it will remove 3 conditions on whom gets moaed ,also add 1 stack of stability and resistance for 2 s duration .

4.make f5 reward better setup rather than spamming ,active f5 without illusion , mes gets 1s duration ,with one illusion 2s duration,two illusion 5s duration three illusion 10s duration

those are almost from random people in random posts , like someone in a post about DH being underpowered is calling for mes nerf with pure quaggon logic .

it starts from double moa to

double shatter
double heal
double f5
perma block and perma evade
endless stability
cancerous chaos line
cancerous inspiration line
broken build with chaos and inspiration line
op lockdown ability
stealth moa
stealth 100-0
have all conditions burst on you
mes is anet baby

before condi mes is a thing
i heard instantly cast mirror blade
instantly cast full shatter combo
“i cant heal when a mes nearby coz powerblock ”
best heal skill in the game
best mobility (yep i heard it before )

btw i like to see how people pretend that portal has no cd and illusion in team fight is unkillable .

long ago before june patch i was running a CI build ,a thief jumped on mes and spammed as many skills as he could have in chaos storm .

sometimes i wish those people can get same result as that thief on forum :
screen will be white and black ,they will scream and then the annoying heartseeker spam will be stopped by HS with might stacks and lightning strike .may their soul never return .

foogison.5067:

The fact is that if you open with double shatter, throw a few big attacks etc. its not very hard to force your opponent to dodge twice/use their block skills before attempting to moa them, and you have two chances.

Any good Mesmer will have no problem landing their Moa in 1v1, please don’t try to tell me its hard to land the moa….

any mes here felt sick already seeing this kind of posts and were too tired to tell them every single skills of mes for sake of their own improvement for almost 4 years .

btw mes can glide in pvp now . huge buff. trust me , mes can fly and gank you even before you log in .

Random Weird Guy.3528:

musu.9205:

1."The fact that moa was balanced before chronomancer " if by balanced you meant weak and didnt see much use before .

If by ’didn’t see much use’ you meant used by majority of ESL mesmers, then sure.

musu.9205:

2.slow is not big for chrono but meta build does have it ,And since you wanted to start this kind of argument based on the certain words we used for sake of argument, how you explain your " The main point was that there was not a single nerf"?plz

The only mesmer ‘nerf’ was slow, which is hardly used in the meta mesmer build. You are seriously going to call slow a mesmer nerf?plz
Meanwhile mesmer gets an alacrity buff, which affects everything, especially the F4 and F5 cooldowns. Therefore mesmer got buffed.

musu.9205:

what i actually said :you guys didnt even read the patch note and check what skills or weapon set they buffed on mes

And your point of this was what? You were implying that they only buffed unused things no? Or were you just making a pointless comment?

musu.9205:

4. guys _ (plural form implies that you are referring to multiple people)
logic : guys may or may not include you ,stop using your ego overthink everything while you cant even get the simple logic right plz.

Stop using your ego to pretend that you weren’t including me in the plural.

musu.9205:

5. again you cant raed

And you can’t spell.

Random Weird Guy.3528:
musu.9205:
1."The fact that moa was balanced before chronomancer " if by balanced you meant weak and didnt see much use before .
If by ’didn’t see much use’ you meant used by majority of ESL mesmers, then sure.
musu.9205:
2.slow is not big for chrono but meta build does have it ,And since you wanted to start this kind of argument based on the certain words we used for sake of argument, how you explain your " The main point was that there was not a single nerf"?plz
The only mesmer ‘nerf’ was slow, which is hardly used in the meta mesmer build. You are seriously going to call slow a mesmer nerf?plz
Meanwhile mesmer gets an alacrity buff, which affects everything, especially the F4 and F5 cooldowns. Therefore mesmer got buffed.
musu.9205:
what i actually said :you guys didnt even read the patch note and check what skills or weapon set they buffed on mes
And your point of this was what? You were implying that they only buffed unused things no? Or were you just making a pointless comment?
well let me write it in a way so you can understand .
i meant what anet buffed /fixed wont make mes op ,and mes wasnt op before . moa itself is op and carried mes .
mes needs more buff than this if moa isnt op like it is now .plain and simple .

and slow on current meta build in 60s frame is like 10s slow without alacrity
that buff you claimed "so good for every chrono build "is also more 10s alacrity in 60s frame in a perfect world while you can alway shatter with 3 illusion which isnt possible .

so yes ,its almost same deal ,and i told you in this very thread the reason behind this buff : 0.75s was a mess for server to calculate before ,sometimes the actual duration was less than what intended .and anet did not adjust anything related with alacrity after that huge nerf in season 1. so well cd reduction and this buff are , in fact the fixes mes needed to begin with .

and srsly , you really think when i wrote down my first replies here , i would think of everyone and their names in this thread , “guys” is just a generally used word

Exciton.8942:

The only thing about mes being strong is moa.

There is nothing that stands out outside of that. Any class’s condie build can do just as well as mesmer’s condie build.

+1
frankly before patch condi chrono was strong against other meta build especially rev .that’s where the “condi mes is strongest 1v1 spec” came from (remember condi chrono have plenty of weakness that other non meta spec could exploit to win ).
And now team comp is going to change with this patch .

things to be considered :

1.do team have enough dps to kill tempest in teamfight without moa in reasonable time now ,if yes then moa will be less important ,so is mes?

2.will the classes which counter condi mes see more play in the future like DH ?

3.could new amulet and changes bring new meta builds that can do well against current condi mes ?

4.will there be some new type of comp ,something like old 4 cele dd ele days ,which just on all three points ? that way portal and moa play will be less important

5.after years of cry for nerf from people who dont even read mes skill tooltips ,could they stop crying and finally play a mes .

style.6173:

Laserbolt.6731:

You thought mesmers were stronger in PvP than Revenant or Scrapper or Reaper? Seriously?

Yes. As others have told you, Mesmer is broken. It will now enjoy 3 seasons of being broken. Congrats.

no one needs to tell another one what is broken , just watch esl , thats solid fact about what is actually broken .

Random Weird Guy.3528:

musu.9205:

2. "glaringly obvious issue "what fact you used to decide thats glaringly obvious issue ?

The fact that moa was balanced before chronomancer came and reduced its effective cooldown from 180s to 50-60s (with alacrity)?

musu.9205:

“They actually indirectly REDUCED the cd on F5 with the buff to alacrity on shatter.”
are you karl who thought old alacrity increased group dps by 66% ? so srsly are you karl ?

also as i said ,they nerfed slow , and u guys totally forgot that slow was basically mes unique condition .

It’s still a buff to all chronomancers. You said that the only buffs were to things that nobody used, which was wrong. Also slow is such an insignificant part of the current meta mesmer build.

musu.9205:

and 4. i was replying another player , and suddenly you thought that "you lost " as yourself lost .so much ego

reading is too hard for you sadly.

Hold on, let me quote your post again, highlighting the relevant part:

musu.9205:

you guys _ (plural form implies that you are referring to multiple people) _ didnt even read the patch note and check what skills or weapon set they buffed on mes before made post _ (wait who was the original poster? oh wait, it was me) _ complaining and you wonder why you lost in pvp

Reading your own posts is too hard for you sadly.

1."The fact that moa was balanced before chronomancer " if by balanced you meant weak and didnt see much use before .

2.slow is not big for chrono but meta build does have it ,And since you wanted to start this kind of argument based on the certain words we used for sake of argument, how you explain your " The main point was that there was not a single nerf"?plz

3." You said that the only buffs were to things that nobody used"
what i actually said :you guys didnt even read the patch note and check what skills or weapon set they buffed on mes
you mistook me as another guy in this thread and refused to admit that . such ego

4. guys _ (plural form implies that you are referring to multiple people)
logic : guys may or may not include you ,stop using your ego overthink everything while you cant even get the simple logic right plz.

5. again you cant raed

Flumek.9043:

Laserbolt.6731:

You thought mesmers were stronger in PvP than Revenant or Scrapper or Reaper? Seriously?

The pro league tier list is mesmer and scrapper in SS-tier. Mesmer for portal + moa + srong 1v1 and scrapper simply for its 1v2 capabilities.

Rev and reaper were top dmg dealers, but for pure conquest effectivness they were a tier below.

watch esl and check what actually carries the team :

answer : tempest and rev

you know so called op moa is this lvl useful , partly due to the fact without moa , killing a tempest in teamfight is nearly impossible in a reasonable time .

its not like you call mes ss-tier ,it could suddenly be op.
but anyway have fun .

Random Weird Guy.3528:

musu.9205:

brannigan.9831:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

No nerfs for mesmer, only buffs. ANet be trolling.

They almost never do the right thing why should we be surprised now. They don’t really involve the community in anything and they don’t have a test server to test changes and allow people to give feedback or suggestions. They are the worst devs when it comes to balance and soliciting feedback of any group of devs of any MMORPG I’ve ever played and i’ve played a lot. They are take it or leave it we know better then you types. I really haven’t seen that type of attitude since Everquest 15 years ago. I am used to playing games where the devs are on the forums a lot and explain there reasoning with the playerbase and sometimes gasp change things based on the feeback they get and sometimes even implement things that were suggested first by the playerbase. Not just roll out garbage and say “eat up” fools.

you guys didnt even read the patch note and check what skills or weapon set they buffed on mes before made post complaining and you wonder why you lost in pvp .
its too funny
also slow got nerfed .

1. Alacrity on shatters got buffed, which every chronomancer benefits from. Considering that the meta chronomancer runs with chronophantasma and clone on shatter, this is an even bigger buff that it appears.
2. The main point was that there was not a single nerf, despite the glaringly obvious issue of continuum split which should at the very least get a cd increase. They actually indirectly REDUCED the cd on F5 with the buff to alacrity on shatter.
3. I like how you’re assuming that I lose my matches. I had somewhere around a 70% win ratio in soloq last season.

and 4. i was replying another player , and suddenly you thought that "you lost " as yourself lost .so much ego

reading is too hard for you sadly.

Random Weird Guy.3528:

musu.9205:

brannigan.9831:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

No nerfs for mesmer, only buffs. ANet be trolling.

They almost never do the right thing why should we be surprised now. They don’t really involve the community in anything and they don’t have a test server to test changes and allow people to give feedback or suggestions. They are the worst devs when it comes to balance and soliciting feedback of any group of devs of any MMORPG I’ve ever played and i’ve played a lot. They are take it or leave it we know better then you types. I really haven’t seen that type of attitude since Everquest 15 years ago. I am used to playing games where the devs are on the forums a lot and explain there reasoning with the playerbase and sometimes gasp change things based on the feeback they get and sometimes even implement things that were suggested first by the playerbase. Not just roll out garbage and say “eat up” fools.

you guys didnt even read the patch note and check what skills or weapon set they buffed on mes before made post complaining and you wonder why you lost in pvp .
its too funny
also slow got nerfed .

1. Alacrity on shatters got buffed, which every chronomancer benefits from. Considering that the meta chronomancer runs with chronophantasma and clone on shatter, this is an even bigger buff that it appears.
2. The main point was that there was not a single nerf, despite the glaringly obvious issue of continuum split which should at the very least get a cd increase. They actually indirectly REDUCED the cd on F5 with the buff to alacrity on shatter.
3. I like how you’re assuming that I lose my matches. I had somewhere around a 70% win ratio in soloq last season.

1. it was a messy as 0.75s duration , had some weird result , meaning sometimes it was less than intended duration .current 1s is fair enough fix rather buff for that overnerf mes got in last season.

2. "glaringly obvious issue "what fact you used to decide thats glaringly obvious issue ?
better proof is wait and see how many moa casted in esl and how many works and how many actually turn the match around .

“They actually indirectly REDUCED the cd on F5 with the buff to alacrity on shatter.”
are you karl who thought old alacrity increased group dps by 66% ? so srsly are you karl ?

also as i said ,they nerfed slow , and u guys totally forgot that slow was basically mes unique condition .

for the balance reason , anet better not allow f5 to reset elite and rebalance mes elite cd , but guess what you guys want mes has long kitten cd , since dodging 1s cast obvious skill is too hard .so you have to deal with f5 + moa .

3. you shouted out for mes got buffed (on unused weapon which u didnt read at all).so i assume you are either troll or stupid or didnt know mes at all .for the later two you may not be able to do much good in pvp , but if you got carried by metabuild and have a good win rate .thats good for you .