Guild Wars 2

Most of my guild on JQ have decided to take the week off.
Between long broken queue system, the non stop karma farms, and the players that run when a fight starts, and huge ppt lead causing no extra insentive to continue playing, this week is just no fun.

My hopes is a solution to the queue system is found quickly, and most of the AC hunters get their AC’s and head back to pve lands, or at the very least learn how to follow the commander when things deviate from PvD

Actually pretty sure Anet like karma farms since that is when they get record pops in WvW, dont think they care that noones fighting as long as they can go “See! People are playing wvw”

Hammerguard.9834:

When are we going to start letting each other take thing deliberately for the sake of achievements, specifically SMC?

You have to take it first =P Take it and we might consider flipping it back and forth.
More than likely thursday or friday. A wp SMC is such a novelty in t1.

Werat.7063:

well, lucky that weekend is over soon. Expected more but now we seem to do an advanced version of the karma kitten (hurray with ts).
Its very tiring and dissapointing when your own people cheer when you loose upgraded stuff and supply yaks, upgrades and siege are foreign words to commanders and players alike.
I got no idea what happened but memory keeps on tellling me it was not that bad last week.

I know… its like everyone gave up trying since we are pretty much garunteed to win this week either way.

So sad to enter a tower and see not a bit of seige in there. Makes me a bit agoraphobic lol.
Them fortified towers seem so big when you dont have a treb or any arrow carts in em.

The worst part is the scouting… losing a tower or keep because everyone is too busy karma farming sucks.

SmoothHussler.6387:

Eternum.1706:

It’s really ticking me off that people are acting like this towards JQ as if we wanted this, or that this is our fault. .

So we’ll just ignore all the recruitment threads and the fact that your server pays for transfers then.

I dont know why you subject yourselves to queues and lag so bad you cannot do anything. Ironically I believe you lot play this game as the developers intended. Sieged out. Hiding in towers. Queue zergs etc.

JQ hardly buys off guilds. They just find guilds that are unhappy with their servers or are looking for a change. Once the guild has agreed to move, they donate the gold to help move the guild over, since moving a guild can be costly, depending on the size, and conversion rate of gems to gold. Even them many members of the transferring guild will still pay their own way.

I hardly think that is the same as buying a guilds.

Maybe it seems a bit dirty from other servers perspectives, but all t1 servers do it. Its an arms, race to make sure the servers have the best coverage 24/7.

Queue’s usually arent that bad. Its just bad atm since all the fairweathers and acheivement hunters are in game. Most organized guilds are having trouble getting half their forces in.

Queue’s for instance in a normal t1 server match up before leagues were only 40 minutes for EB, and less for the BL’s. I personally cant wait for it to return to that.

As for Lag, ya it sucks, but its the price that has to be paid for true competition.

As for people hiding in towers, I mentioned before, that most guilds have a hard time getting their full forces is the maps, thus meaning what you are seeing is a lot of fair weathers and acheivement hunters who would be less willing to fight and die then the wvw veterans. The organized guilds you do see are running short staffed, and as such are again less willing to fight open field.

WTF mag? Why push is in SoS garri? we wanted ya to take it, we dont care who takes it as long as it papers.

To say JQ hasnt been the target of a 2v1 would be stupidity.
But all servers have at different times TBH.

But mostly it just came down to 2v1 on JQ till we were in 3rd (Also didnt help that most guilds during the weekend had a hard time getting more then 10 people on a map due to AP hunters), and then 2v1’s on who ever was weakest or allied with who ever was more willing to cooperate.

BG early in the weekdays faced more 2v1’s because it was easier for JQ to work with SoR, since BG seemed stuck in “Go after JQ no matter what” mode.

Later in the week, BG must have figured we were sufficiently in 3rd that they were more willing to cooperate with us against SoR.
However where possible, during the EU the 2v1’s were usually against BG, due to the fact they that SoR have a pretty strong EU coverage.

Last night was just bad. SoR and BG 2v1’d us in EB and SoR BL during a very weak period. In EB we hit a transition where 60% of the queue was AP hunters who have little interest of staying on a pin, and no pin willing to command the 20 people, when they cant do anything. On SoR BL, I think most guilds were still trying to rally their forces there, but hadn’t quite managed yet.

And after that, it was pretty hard to regain from the constant 2v1 and spawn camping.

I realize both BG and SoR must be suffering the same problems getting guilds on map with AP hunters everywhere. But they seem to be having an easier time of it than we are.

Botinhas.2018:

You guys sure fear SoR, never seen so much doubleteaming, its been what, 24h already since BG and JQ hold hands in all BDL’s ? Congrats on winning the first season JQ

P.S. Thanks for all the loot bags yesterday, keep it going please

Fear SoR? Hardly.
Going after you just suits JQ’s needs atm.

Avenge.1478:

JQ and BG have been farmed to death for 5 hours inside BG BL Hills. How bad were the repair bills?

Worth it. The fights were awesome. JQ kept expecting BG to push in, but when BG pushed in they kept killing us. Fun either way.

Salutes to all SoR defending.

Zenyatoo.4059:

thefreezingvoid.8516:

It only makes sense to 2v1 BG as JQ, its almost impossible to work with BG, the instance you go after SoR’s stuff they go after yours. At least SoR can take a hint, and will go after BG’s stuff when JQ attacks BG’s stuff.

BG seem to be stuck in perma, “LETS GO AFTER JQ” mode.

So even though it may be better for JQ to let BG have to the win, that isn’t possible while BG is intent on ruining any cooperation.

So go-go SoR
…..

That said, I dont think JQ is totally down an out for this match, sure we’re behind, but its not a blow out yet. Their still is time for us to turn it around, but ya, time is running shorter and shorter.

BG have gone for SoR before.

As someone who usually hangs out on JQBL this week, ive seen plenty of 2v1’s. And they’re all been essentially “random” in who was who.

Our commanders on SoR pick a target, and then they go for that target and hope the 2v1 falls in our favor. For example, an SoR commander wants to flip North west tower because it’s t3 and he wants to make it paper. We’ll move up that way, wait for orange swords to be somewhere that isnt near us, and then rush up and hit it.

On the flipside, that same commander a few hours later will decide that “kitten bg, theyve had that keep too long, we’re hitting hills, lets go” and we hope that JQ hits something of BG’s at the same time.

We’re always prepared to back off and defend our own stuff if we can, and often times we have had to. Hell, even during certain fights, we’ve had to pull off and wrap around because a BG blob came at us from the backside.

A lot of the 2v1 situations are based not on overall score, but the defenses of the towers, and their ability to be captured. T3 towers still flip semi-easily, and flipping them destroys a large advantage of the enemy. T1 keeps are flipped as often as we can do it, because keeping the opponents stronghold un-waypointed is powerful. These strategies are used against both enemy servers constantly, regardless of borderlands.

You also have to consider the optimal strategies for all servers involved. Say SoR takes NW tower and starts to treb JQ garri. BG has a couple of options, they could head to bluebriar and try to take that. Or head north to NE tower and try to take that. Both are t3, both are spawn towers. The only difference is what the servers stand to lose if they go defend it. SoR would lose NW tower, a paper tower far out of their territory if they retreat to defend. JQ on the other hand would lose a keep, possibly a T3 keep, the one in the middle of their territory. It is thus less likely for JQ to come stop BG at that point in time. So BG goes to flip that NE tower, because it’s the smartest play for them.

It’s hilariously easy to engineer a 2v1 situation on an enemy borderlands, simply attack their garrison, and 9 times out of 10 the other server on the map will go flip something of theirs. It’s how the map is designed.

True, I understand map politics and all, but ive seen BG do some stupid things, especially in EB.

Like JQ are attacking SoR’s EB, JQ have full t3 towers, SoR have 2 paper towers, 1 of which is unwatched…. What to BG do? They go after our WC forcing us to pull out, and squash them, and then SoR go after their ogrewatch, while we take their paper anz.

Just an example, but its the style I have seen from BG and SoR this week.

I have more respect for SoR then BG tbh.

It only makes sense to 2v1 BG as JQ, its almost impossible to work with BG, the instance you go after SoR’s stuff they go after yours. At least SoR can take a hint, and will go after BG’s stuff when JQ attacks BG’s stuff.

BG seem to be stuck in perma, “LETS GO AFTER JQ” mode.

So even though it may be better for JQ to let BG have to the win, that isn’t possible while BG is intent on ruining any cooperation.

So go-go SoR
…..

That said, I dont think JQ is totally down an out for this match, sure we’re behind, but its not a blow out yet. Their still is time for us to turn it around, but ya, time is running shorter and shorter.

Perceptor.7189:

meanwhile at the hotm, the Q it’s starting to affect some players…..

Lol thats part of my guild, waiting in line for EB lol
Im the naked white haired norn.

Naked dance party!
Woooohooo!

Fuzzion.2504:

Hey mates, cant play gw2 because of work and crap. Got A few questions

1)Are the ques still bad 24/7 ?
2)Will it get better in the next few days?
3)Do the JQ,BG and SoR fights feel fair and balanced
4)whats all this complain about pve players taking wvw slots? will be short lived?
-Fuzz

1) During Oceanic and Sea queues havent been too bad, seeing about a 20-30 minute queue on all maps with exception to EB, during NA prime as high as 2 hours for some maps. (atleast for JQ)
2) I’d imagine during SEA and Oceanic times will get shorter queue’s as week goes on.
3)Tons of fighting going on. Have to be on toes or fall victim to 2v1’s.
4) This one requires more explanation. PvE’ers arent doing everything they could be doing to help the group. I heard rumour’s of 20+ people doing the jumping puzzle on JQ BL for instance, while garri was being slammed by a 2v1.
They also tend to solo roam more, and have a hard time following simple instructions, such as, don’t PvD .
Most PvE’er’s also are mostly glass, and aren’t built for pvp/zergs, leading to a lot of wipes in zerg vs zerg fights.
Also getting them to come of TS is almost impossible…
On top of that, they hog up a spot for more seasoned WvWers. My guild leader and commander cant even get on due to long queues.
Atleast thats my perspective.

SFShinigami.2015:

Troll tags are one thing, everyone does them and they’re usually just in good fun, but that FB tag was over the line.

Agreed, I realize its just a few bad apples, but makes SoR look like a bunch of racist homophobes, even though I know its for the trolls, its too far.

Oozo.7856:

Wait. The scoreboard indicates which server has the best players?

kitten , this is depressing.

I wouldn’t say that.
More so which server have more numbers/work better together.

Sure individual skill matters, but one person can only do so much.

Here is another solution, remove queue caps for losing teams. There are many times my guild would be willing to help defend FA garrison, or SMC keep, but are unable to due to queue caps.

100 people might be able to beat 200 if we had the option of mobility, but as of the moment the 40 or so people have to stare and watch as our stuff is lost in other BL’s.

Might not make sense, I’m a bit intoxicated ATM

I think what is killing a lot of the servers the past few weeks, is the bad match ups.
If the match ups were somewhat even, (I understand it the top 3 might get bored facing only each other each week) then it wouldnt be so bad. But FA, last week faced SoR almost single handedly (DB hardly showed up, and when they did they were more of a nuscance than anything, kitten we were karma training most of the week), and this week we are facing JQ almost singlehandedly (SoS do show up, but thus far are hardly a threat).
It wouldnt be so bad to face a teir 1 server if we had an equal third, but these past two match ups have been bullkitten.

A TC FA DB match up is more equal, sure losing everything to a 40 man zerg pvd stuff early in the morning, but such is the life, as we can build it up again, but in these past two match ups we lose everything and have no hope of holding anything.

I love WvW, but to watch everything gained get lost not long after my guild logs off is a bit heartbreaking. Its like putting so much hard work into something, (Even if its just watching a tower) and have it smashed on the ground, and splinter in so many pieces it can not be repaired.

I look at the leagues, and if this is what its gonna be like in the leagues then it is gonna suck.