Guild Wars 2

It seems all professions are QQing more than ever these days.

Rangers have always been the most downtrodden profession, and still are, but now even professions that were considered to be in the ‘elite’ like elementalists, guardians and thieves are chiming up with their share of problems.

Engis suddenly shot to the top two most powerful professions in the game (alongside warrior, though warrior has always been the most OP and still is) after a while of being in the “bottom group” along with necros and rangers. Mesmers I’m not too sure about as a lot of people acknowledge them as being OP, particularly in 1v1 situations, but they seem to have their share of QQ too.

What are the main factors in the last couple of months that have pushed most, if not all, the professions into such a state of QQ? I’m guessing it’s partly the physical DPS “nerf” and the rise in condition builds that arose as a result. But yeah, what else?

Every 2 weeks or 2 months a new balancing results in further destruction of all things skill-related about gameplay.

Huh? Rangers have been fairly strong in PvP and PvE for quite a while. They’re poor in WvW but WvW’s balance is all screwed up so that hardly matters.

Since when were Engineers in the ‘bottom group’ with Necros and Rangers? Necros are incredibly strong in PvP. And Engineers have been very strong in PvP and PvE for a long, long time.

People generally come to the forums to complain, not to say good things. That’s why you see everyone complaining all over.

Have you even played the game since beta?
What you describe would be accurate during beta but thieves and guardian is far from elite now. Necromancers and engineers have been good in a long time.
The ferocity change nerfed everything except for conditions.
And yes every profession have some subpar traits or utilities that is never worth taking.
Ranger was actually not that bad until they nerfed shortbow and pet range.

i feel the QQ’s can actually be summed up per class instead of as a whole. each class is QQing about something particular with the only exception being the Ferocity change.

Warrior: I’m not too sure about this class personally but i believe there issue is the few nerfs they have received. but i think overall they aren’t as outrageous as the other classes.

Guardian: IIRC guards aren’t complaining about anything beside the lack of changes they are getting to improve the class. It makes sense as most of the Non guard player base feel guards are in a pretty nice spot. It may be that the devs also think the same thing. I can understand what has guards upset.

Thieves: these guys have to constantly defend their class from the other players ( with due justice) and as a result of players constant complaints devs have made crippling changes to the thieves over the game. now with ferocity changes being a thief got a whole lot riskier than it once was and they want to continue using the builds that have worked well for them.

Engis: like warr i have no idea what’d they’d be complaining about but if i had to say it would be automated response being nerfed( but I’m not sure)

Ele: mostly angry as they lost their impressive D/D mobility and sustainability. not only that but PvE eles probably don’t like being pidgin holed into using conjures all the time because it limits there diversity. although i wonder how they feel about might stacked meteor showers… (also don’t know as much about these as some others.

Necro: Im not entirely too sure about what these guys are upset about if anything( seriously this is the only class i have not played enough to even remotely know their gist) id guess they aren’t too happy with some of the changes they saw with this patch either nor do i believe a lot of necros are pleased to run power in PvE.

Mesmer: they have no diversity. they are the swiss army knife of GW2 is how they feel. they’re only use in WvW is utility. and they rightfully despise it. Many of them are too concerned with being in the WvW zerg than there 1v1 tricks roaming. of which in zerg they are of course only good for the utilities. and this also extends into PvE as well especially since they moved that one mes trait.

Rangers: I save this one for last because its the one i know the most about their QQ ( see sig). and their issues are BIG. it used to be the pet was a big issue ( after that last patch tho the pet is in a way better control spot) which revolved around the thing being useless especially in WvW, you guessed it, zergs. AoE ripped em apart meaning its lost DPS. not only that but people want to play this class Particularly in a pure bow style. Something that just doesn’t work in GW2. these players tend to lack use of their pet. Oh and did i mention they’re desire to be in zergs where ranger ability is severely lacking? then there is the Power build discussion in there that is kinda valid however their biggest desire their is a better burst.

so yes alll profession have problems that they NEED addressed. however amid all of the good wise suggestions is a slew of just plain QQ that does nothing of honest purpose.

and if anybody wants feel free to explain warr engi and necro better here cause i don’t think i have the knowledge to try to accurately portray them. and that does go for any class here as well. mostly what i said was a brief kind of synapse of what I’ve personally seen around the forums. i mostly likely did miss some crucial aspect of a class. i also didn’t bring up the new trait either as that a whole different ball game.

and all of this culminates in the idea that every class wants their class to be the biggest dog in the kennel and only a select few actually are looking from a balance PoV

Bryzy.2719:

It seems all professions are QQing more than ever these days.

Rangers have always been the most downtrodden profession, and still are, but now even professions that were considered to be in the ‘elite’ like elementalists, guardians and thieves are chiming up with their share of problems.

Engis suddenly shot to the top two most powerful professions in the game (alongside warrior, though warrior has always been the most OP and still is) after a while of being in the “bottom group” along with necros and rangers. Mesmers I’m not too sure about as a lot of people acknowledge them as being OP, particularly in 1v1 situations, but they seem to have their share of QQ too.

What are the main factors in the last couple of months that have pushed most, if not all, the professions into such a state of QQ? I’m guessing it’s partly the physical DPS “nerf” and the rise in condition builds that arose as a result. But yeah, what else?

All professions aren’t in a mess and you have to give what modes your talking about.

Engis good in WvW and sPvP for a while now
Necro good in WvW zerging not so much solo roaming good in sPvP
Guards good in both
Warrior good in both
Elementalist seem to be in a better place now in sPvP always good in WvW
Ranger been good in sPvP since like before PAX when the Dhuumfire patch hit Rangers have been good. You just cant run spirits in WvW like that but Long Bow Power is back and strong
Mesmer good in WvW but sPvP still not back yet
Thieves good in WvW been around a while in sPvP they need to find their spot again but I think it will be S/D making a comeback over S/P

Hyperbole runs rampant on these forums I didn’t even hit PvE which is where you see the biggest class disparity as to what is “wanted” vs what is “viable”.

oZii.2864:

Mesmer good in WvW but sPvP still not back yet

nope its the other way around. mes is a utilitybot in wvw with most of theyr traits and skills not working due to the well known ai not viable in wvw problem. in spvp we are doing good in tpvp not so much as we cant hold a point.

selan.8354:

oZii.2864:

Mesmer good in WvW but sPvP still not back yet

nope its the other way around. mes is a utilitybot in wvw with most of theyr traits and skills not working due to the well known ai not viable in wvw problem. in spvp we are doing good in tpvp not so much as we cant hold a point.

Annnd then you have PU mesmers that sit at ruins all day looking to 1xX and duel in sanctum who will tell you different. All depends on how you play.

People complain about PU mesmers in WvW because that is what they face. If you run with zerg that is a different play style different crowd. If all you do is roam groups/solo/duel then PU is fine in WvW from that viewpoint which seems to be prevalent on the forums.

All professions are in a mess imo. I will continue to feel this way until we start to see all weapon and trait choice become viable, along with less 11111 meta spam.