Guild Wars 2

ANet,

Have you changed your mind about the 8% HS nerf? I think the community would like to know if you plan on keeping the cheese meta around after this patch or not.

As if the problems of this game revolves around Healing Signet.

That’s just one of them

we have nerfed the passive by 8% but at the same time we have buffed the active,when you’ll push it:
- you will go in stealth for 5 seconds at the end of the stealth you fear(6secs) foes and if you break the stealth you don’t get revealed.
- steal 5 enemy boons and grants them to allies and you.
- transfer 5 condis to enemy foes.
- 125% bonus damage for 6 seconds.(maybe we will increase to 150%)
- torment,confusion,burning,chill,cripple and fear for 8 secs to foes in a 750 radius.(unblockable ofc)
- 99,8% chanche to trigger lyssa rune when you heal.
- active heal : heal you and your allies for every warrior in party :
1 war heal 7k
2 war heal 10k
3 war heal 15k
4 war heal 20k
5 war heal full life.
- if you get interrupt while healing you will moa enemy foe and steal them their gold(5 sec cd,unblockable ofc).

fear will be no more breakable by a condicleans or stunbreaker.
signet cooldown reduced to 10 secs.

Insanity.5174:

we have nerfed the passive by 8% but at the same time we have buffed the active,when you’ll push it:
- you will go in stealth for 5 seconds at the end of the stealth you fear(6secs) foes and if you break the stealth you don’t get revealed.
- steal 5 enemy boons and grants them to allies and you.
- transfer 5 condis to enemy foes.
- 125% bonus damage for 6 seconds.(maybe we will increase to 150%)
- torment,confusion,burning,chill,cripple and fear for 8 secs to foes in a 750 radius.(unblockable ofc)
- 99,8% chanche to trigger lyssa rune when you heal.
- active heal : heal you and your allies for every warrior in party :
1 war heal 7k
2 war heal 10k
3 war heal 15k
4 war heal 20k
5 war heal full life.
- if you get interrupt while healing you will moa enemy foe and steal them their gold(5 sec cd,unblockable ofc).

fear will be no more breakable by a condicleans or stunbreaker.
signet cooldown reduced to 10 secs.

lose the gold stealing part and you got a pretty legit possible patch note…..which is just sad….

oh, for thieves lets give Backstab a 2x damage coefficient, make it hit max damage regardless of where it is hit, have it have a 3% extra damage per each 1% of hp missing on the enemy, and have 150% extra damage on targets above 90% hp.

Hmm, im still not happy, what if blinding/evading/dodging an attack from thief didnt reveal them, also, lets give them an ability that applies a blind every second so that nobody ever have a chance to do everything, negate 5/8 downstates oooh and maybe all ranged autoattacks should also apply blind through this field. Also lets give them plenty of condition cleansing and health on stealth, and give stealth an almost 100% uptime so that it is fair. Lastly, lets make stealth not be broken by anything, and by anything we I mean nothing at all, not even skilful AoE or skilfully aimed CC. Hmm, am I missing something? Yah, lets give them plenty of teleports which break stuns and give them unparalleled damage vs other glass cannons. We should combine it all in a weapon specc, yah, that should be balanced

I agree healing signet isn’t the only problem. Heck, HS is only one part of why wars are too strong right now. 8% won’t change the overall issues greatly.

The problem is that across multiple professions is that there are far too many low risk/high reward/low skill required builds.

@ Fort… you had your chance to prevent the stealth attack from being possible when they attempted to stealth (save blinding powder). Yet some people want their bad gameplay rewarded with a 2nd chance? If they are stealthed they can’t cap. That’s a large drawback.

Thieves do not have “plenty” of condition cleanses.

Other than shadowstep what’s the rest of the “plenty of tele ports which break stuns”?

Despite all of what thieves do have… an eng will still give a thief a lot of problems.

They aren’t some auto 30/30/30/30/30 god mode profession.

The biggest joke is that even with an 8% nerf to Healing Signet Warriors would probably be just as durable because of the nerf to _crit-Damage and possibly some incoming nerfs to conditions.

An 8% nerf is a joke when burst is being reduced by 20%.

Just nerf warriors to oblivion.

The 8% nerf is a joke, you can bet the active will be buffed by more than 8% – which is only like 38Healing Per second anyway, like warriors are going going to miss that when they are either:

Button Bashing with Hammer and stunning/Interrupting every 10 seconds
or
Going from one side of the map to the otherside of the map in mere seconds with a Greatsword…
or
Using immunity skills that will mean they will be immune to damage, can still do damage and will still be healed passively…

The PvP is this game (S/TPvP) has always been poor the sad part is that rather than getting better it has gotten worse.

Fortus.6175:

Insanity.5174:

we have nerfed the passive by 8% but at the same time we have buffed the active,when you’ll push it:
- you will go in stealth for 5 seconds at the end of the stealth you fear(6secs) foes and if you break the stealth you don’t get revealed.
- steal 5 enemy boons and grants them to allies and you.
- transfer 5 condis to enemy foes.
- 125% bonus damage for 6 seconds.(maybe we will increase to 150%)
- torment,confusion,burning,chill,cripple and fear for 8 secs to foes in a 750 radius.(unblockable ofc)
- 99,8% chanche to trigger lyssa rune when you heal.
- active heal : heal you and your allies for every warrior in party :
1 war heal 7k
2 war heal 10k
3 war heal 15k
4 war heal 20k
5 war heal full life.
- if you get interrupt while healing you will moa enemy foe and steal them their gold(5 sec cd,unblockable ofc).

fear will be no more breakable by a condicleans or stunbreaker.
signet cooldown reduced to 10 secs.

lose the gold stealing part and you got a pretty legit possible patch note…..which is just sad….

oh, for thieves lets give Backstab a 2x damage coefficient, make it hit max damage regardless of where it is hit, have it have a 3% extra damage per each 1% of hp missing on the enemy, and have 150% extra damage on targets above 90% hp.

Hmm, im still not happy, what if blinding/evading/dodging an attack from thief didnt reveal them, also, lets give them an ability that applies a blind every second so that nobody ever have a chance to do everything, negate 5/8 downstates oooh and maybe all ranged autoattacks should also apply blind through this field. Also lets give them plenty of condition cleansing and health on stealth, and give stealth an almost 100% uptime so that it is fair. Lastly, lets make stealth not be broken by anything, and by anything we I mean nothing at all, not even skilful AoE or skilfully aimed CC. Hmm, am I missing something? Yah, lets give them plenty of teleports which break stuns and give them unparalleled damage vs other glass cannons. We should combine it all in a weapon specc, yah, that should be balanced

maybe the gold stealing is a bit op so when you get interrupt you will moa your foe and reboot enemy computer.(cd 5 sec)

killahmayne.9518:

As if the problems of this game revolves around Healing Signet.

I would say this 8% nerf has become a joke about Anet competence. This clearly highlights that Anet does not know a kitten about balance or don’t want to know. We are waiting months (even years) for things that should be done weekly. sPvP is a joke. Now for them to make it E-sport is like for me to get to Mars.

Tatsuo.1478:

killahmayne.9518:

As if the problems of this game revolves around Healing Signet.

I would say this 8% nerf has become a joke about Anet competence. This clearly highlights that Anet does not know a kitten about balance or don’t want to know. We are waiting months (even years) for things that should be done weekly. sPvP is a joke. Now for them to make it E-sport is like for me to get to Mars.

I found it hilarious when i first heard they wanted to make it an eSport. They have NO idea how to balance the game. I said from the start S/TPvP will not become an eSport because Anet doesnt have the skill required to balance it.

Thedenofsin.7340:

Fundamentally, the problem is this: The Balance Team is Not Doing Their Job Well.

Let’s look at their track record:

Dhuumfire
Result: Condi meta and Necromancers OP.

Just to mention, it should look like this:
Dhuumfire
Result: Condi meta and Necromancers only cheeze build OP, while all other viable builds which took skill got nerfed and power is pushed further down the usability line… and we cry while cutting the wrists of bone minions while flesh golem moonwalks and writes sad poetry.

Just nerf everything which is passive in this game.

I’m talking about AR, Berz stance, etc… including conditions in general.

Frenk.5917:

Just nerf everything which is passive in this game.

I’m talking about AR, Berz stance, etc… including conditions in general.

What conditions are passive, if I may ask? To get conditions, your opponent must be doing something to you.

Don’t worry everybody, just in case 8% nerf on HS was too much, we are giving warriors the ability to take 4 sigils (when the max anyone else can proc is 2)! Leeching, hydromancy, energy, and geomancy for all warriors!!

We are talking about sustain here not a burst heal. 8% on a sustain heal isn’t nothing. No matter how you slice the pie if the warrior was always disengaging 2 minutes after receiving pressure he will have to engage earlier. Poison and burst damage will be more effective in either killing or forcing the warrior to disengage.

Burst dmg? WE also have dmg nerf so its a same as it was before

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Frenk.5917:

Just nerf everything which is passive in this game.

I’m talking about AR, Berz stance, etc… including conditions in general.

What conditions are passive, if I may ask? To get conditions, your opponent must be doing something to you.

Juzt like to use berserker stance you have to click on something?

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

The PvP is this game (S/TPvP) has always been poor the sad part is that rather than getting better it has gotten worse.

Smallscale-PvP tends to cause all kinds of balance headaches for MMOs. I’ll be happy if it gets rather little attention in that regard.
Sure, it’s meh if you enjoy only that game mode. But I stand by the opinion that sPvP/tPvP is a minority game mode, and since its balancing needs are so often at full odds with the rest of the game, I’d rather see the actually played parts receive full attention. Better use of dev time, kinda.

Frenk.5917:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Frenk.5917:

Just nerf everything which is passive in this game.

I’m talking about AR, Berz stance, etc… including conditions in general.

What conditions are passive, if I may ask? To get conditions, your opponent must be doing something to you.

Juzt like to use berserker stance you have to click on something?

Berserker Stance is also an active defense. Limited uptime (max of 10 seconds up every 48 seconds, which is really high for immunity, but still large windows of downtime) and can simply be waited out.

You still failed to back up your claim that either are “passive” and need to be nerfed.

Automated Response is, indeed, passive, though.

Berzerker stance is honestly the biggest problem. All builds rely on conditions to some extent. Even if its just blinds and cripple or weakness and chill. Berzerker stance gives around a 15% up time in full condition immunity WITH significant upside of generating adrenaline. Which for a warrior acts as a huge heal with adrenal health AND helps they to cleanse conditions via cleansing ire.

The fact is that the skill was usuable and balanced at around 4 second duration. But they buffed it to the sky because they don’t understand anything

@ drarnor berserkers stances is 10 seconds immunity every 60 seconds at most, there is no -20% cooldown for stances if I ’m not mistaken.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Berzerker stance is honestly the biggest problem. All builds rely on conditions to some extent. Even if its just blinds and cripple or weakness and chill. Berzerker stance gives around a 15% up time in full condition immunity WITH significant upside of generating adrenaline. Which for a warrior acts as a huge heal with adrenal health AND helps they to cleanse conditions via cleansing ire.

The fact is that the skill was usuable and balanced at around 4 second duration. But they buffed it to the sky because they don’t understand anything

Correction is that they wanted to it be 4 seconds and the PLAYERS wanted it to be longer since they still didn’t feel it was worth it to take. I can get the State of the Game where Chaplin says exactly this if you really want a source.

oZii.2864:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Berzerker stance is honestly the biggest problem. All builds rely on conditions to some extent. Even if its just blinds and cripple or weakness and chill. Berzerker stance gives around a 15% up time in full condition immunity WITH significant upside of generating adrenaline. Which for a warrior acts as a huge heal with adrenal health AND helps they to cleanse conditions via cleansing ire.

The fact is that the skill was usuable and balanced at around 4 second duration. But they buffed it to the sky because they don’t understand anything

Correction is that they wanted to it be 4 seconds and the PLAYERS wanted it to be longer since they still didn’t feel it was worth it to take. I can get the State of the Game where Chaplin says exactly this if you really want a source.

Then it is an example of them listening to badies as usual. An increase would of been fine to 5/6 seconds.

This balance forum was the worst idea ever because it is full of terrible ideas from terrible players.

Lordrosicky.5813:

oZii.2864:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Berzerker stance is honestly the biggest problem. All builds rely on conditions to some extent. Even if its just blinds and cripple or weakness and chill. Berzerker stance gives around a 15% up time in full condition immunity WITH significant upside of generating adrenaline. Which for a warrior acts as a huge heal with adrenal health AND helps they to cleanse conditions via cleansing ire.

The fact is that the skill was usuable and balanced at around 4 second duration. But they buffed it to the sky because they don’t understand anything

Correction is that they wanted to it be 4 seconds and the PLAYERS wanted it to be longer since they still didn’t feel it was worth it to take. I can get the State of the Game where Chaplin says exactly this if you really want a source.

Then it is an example of them listening to badies as usual. An increase would of been fine to 5/6 seconds.

This balance forum was the worst idea ever because it is full of terrible ideas from terrible players.

I think it went from 4 then 6 before they went with 8. Who are the badies and who aren’t and how do you pick the goodies from the badies based on the forums? SOTG was s/tPvP based and the players on the show where some of the top players in Queues and tournaments at the time.

A very popular “pro” player now is why Ele healing got nerfed in s/tPvP because they said “Ele heals to much”. Check it SOTG from April 2013.

oZii.2864:

Lordrosicky.5813:

oZii.2864:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Berzerker stance is honestly the biggest problem. All builds rely on conditions to some extent. Even if its just blinds and cripple or weakness and chill. Berzerker stance gives around a 15% up time in full condition immunity WITH significant upside of generating adrenaline. Which for a warrior acts as a huge heal with adrenal health AND helps they to cleanse conditions via cleansing ire.

The fact is that the skill was usuable and balanced at around 4 second duration. But they buffed it to the sky because they don’t understand anything

Correction is that they wanted to it be 4 seconds and the PLAYERS wanted it to be longer since they still didn’t feel it was worth it to take. I can get the State of the Game where Chaplin says exactly this if you really want a source.

Then it is an example of them listening to badies as usual. An increase would of been fine to 5/6 seconds.

This balance forum was the worst idea ever because it is full of terrible ideas from terrible players.

I think it went from 4 then 6 before they went with 8. Who are the badies and who aren’t and how do you pick the goodies from the badies based on the forums? SOTG was s/tPvP based and the players on the show where some of the top players in Queues and tournaments at the time.

A very popular “pro” player now is why Ele healing got nerfed in s/tPvP because they said “Ele heals to much”. Check it SOTG from April 2013.

Yes SoTG having influence over balance was a really good thing. And at the time ele healing 100% needed nerfing. That is what they needed to do as well as make steps in the direction of build diversity. But instead they buffed EVERYTHING to the sky. Which made no sense. It is a sign of the absurd and game ruining power creep that ele healing needs to go back to being OP for them to survive. As clear an indication as was needed.

The person who said nerf ele healing was correct. If they had followed that logic of reducing spam and nerfing OP stuff then the game would be way more fun and less cheesey right now. You can’t point out a good change and call it bad just because it didn’t work as intended because they kittened up the game in every other way

Tim.6450:

@ drarnor berserkers stances is 10 seconds immunity every 60 seconds at most, there is no -20% cooldown for stances if I ’m not mistaken.

My mistake. I assumed that stances had a cooldown reduction trait like pretty much every other skill type in the game.

Now that you mention it, kind of odd that they don’t. Not that stance warriors need any more uptime on them, though.

Rickster.8752:

oZii.2864:

Lordrosicky.5813:

oZii.2864:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Berzerker stance is honestly the biggest problem. All builds rely on conditions to some extent. Even if its just blinds and cripple or weakness and chill. Berzerker stance gives around a 15% up time in full condition immunity WITH significant upside of generating adrenaline. Which for a warrior acts as a huge heal with adrenal health AND helps they to cleanse conditions via cleansing ire.

The fact is that the skill was usuable and balanced at around 4 second duration. But they buffed it to the sky because they don’t understand anything

Correction is that they wanted to it be 4 seconds and the PLAYERS wanted it to be longer since they still didn’t feel it was worth it to take. I can get the State of the Game where Chaplin says exactly this if you really want a source.

Then it is an example of them listening to badies as usual. An increase would of been fine to 5/6 seconds.

This balance forum was the worst idea ever because it is full of terrible ideas from terrible players.

I think it went from 4 then 6 before they went with 8. Who are the badies and who aren’t and how do you pick the goodies from the badies based on the forums? SOTG was s/tPvP based and the players on the show where some of the top players in Queues and tournaments at the time.

A very popular “pro” player now is why Ele healing got nerfed in s/tPvP because they said “Ele heals to much”. Check it SOTG from April 2013.

Yes SoTG having influence over balance was a really good thing. And at the time ele healing 100% needed nerfing. That is what they needed to do as well as make steps in the direction of build diversity. But instead they buffed EVERYTHING to the sky. Which made no sense. It is a sign of the absurd and game ruining power creep that ele healing needs to go back to being OP for them to survive. As clear an indication as was needed.

The person who said nerf ele healing was correct. If they had followed that logic of reducing spam and nerfing OP stuff then the game would be way more fun and less cheesey right now. You can’t point out a good change and call it bad just because it didn’t work as intended because they kittened up the game in every other way

I disagree that they where correct let me put it into context. Which was that the devs would rather bring the other classes up instead of nerfing this is what they said.

You didn’t have warriors who had sustain now they do. Thieves where as good at boon stripping 30 trickery wasn’t a thing. There was no dhuumfire, spirit rangers etc,etc,etc.

Ele healing was never OP there just wasn’t a class to check it/match it. Enter current warrior, 30 trickery thieves, dhuumfire necros, spirit rangers because traps where the thing then.

If you really think just reverting Ele healing to “OP” as you put it is enough to give Ele a spot on a team I don’t know what to tell you. It was RTL and Mist form use with Ether renewal aswell as a bug on Signet of Restoration that made it proc to much(fixed in the patch that nerfed confusion in WvW/PvE).

The mist form change with Ether I agree with because they did it with Elixir S to engis in that same patch. Signet of restoration was bugged with evasive arcana, that’s why S/D ele’s could get away with using it almost as good as D/D eles.

Ele’s healing was bugged with SOR and Evasive Arcana + RTL going 1500 range + Ether renewal combined with Mist form. You really think Signet of Restoration in it’s current form in PvE/WvW is OP if they where to allow eles to use it in sPvP?

It was Mist form + Ether and the SOR with evasive arcana bug, RTL 1500 range bug.

I’ve heard rumor that a certain lead balance dev plays a 5 signet warrior….. If this is true, it all makes sense.

eleshazar.6902:

I’ve heard rumor that a certain lead balance dev plays a 5 signet warrior….. If this is true, it all makes sense.

I don’t know about signets but there is a screen shot of him with 5 signets. This was prior to the Healing signet buff and everyone lol’d him I believe this was when he was testing.

oZii.2864:

eleshazar.6902:

I’ve heard rumor that a certain lead balance dev plays a 5 signet warrior….. If this is true, it all makes sense.

I don’t know about signets but there is a screen shot of him with 5 signets. This was prior to the Healing signet buff and everyone lol’d him I believe this was when he was testing.

After googling around for a bit, I found several pictures of him in different maps and armor styles using 5 signet warrior. Doesn’t seem to be a one time joke…

HS should be nerfed by 15% and the tie to healing power should be increased by a lot at the same time. In other words, a zerker would heal for less but a more bunker oriented warior would heal for more.

Warriors need a damage nerf more than the signet nerf, though a 15-20% nerf is necessary anyways if they won’t nerf their “lalala you can’t do anything to me for 6+ seconds while I cleave you to death” stances.