Comparing berserker between classes?

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Posted by: mightyJAWS.3621

mightyJAWS.3621

So I was wondering about this for a while.
I know that most people use berserker in pve, and I already know how good it is on a warrior.
But I was wondering:
Why is Berserker Guardian or Berserker Mesmer considered so good.
I’m not saying they aren’t, but isn’t Guardian supposed to be tanky protection provider? Or Mesmer should be a clone manipulating illusionist or something? I see I’m missing something since I see so many people talk about it.
I’ll be happy if someone could explain the real benefits in those builds cuz as I see now, Berserker Warrior has the most damage as berserker (and I guess I see something wrong).
Thanks for any help! Would really love to finally know this one.

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Posted by: Thaddeus.4891

Thaddeus.4891

So I was wondering about this for a while.
I know that most people use berserker in pve, and I already know how good it is on a warrior.
But I was wondering:
Why is Berserker Guardian or Berserker Mesmer considered so good.
I’m not saying they aren’t, but isn’t Guardian supposed to be tanky protection provider? Or Mesmer should be a clone manipulating illusionist or something? I see I’m missing something since I see so many people talk about it.
I’ll be happy if someone could explain the real benefits in those builds cuz as I see now, Berserker Warrior has the most damage as berserker (and I guess I see something wrong).
Thanks for any help! Would

The stats on your armor doesn’t improve any important thing for these classe. Guardian shouldn’t be tanky, but it should give active defense for his party. That include blind, aegis, reflection, and protection. And all those things come from trait and skills, not stats.

And its the same thing with all profession. Some are better in assassin and other are better in beserker, but no profession will be improved by knight, soldier, etc. Stats on your item change the balance between ‘’personnal surviablity’’ (toughness, vitality) and ’’dps’’ (power, precision, ferocity).

There is a big discussion in the community about this. One side say that they want stats to matter outside of this surviability vs dps things so that other set of stats other than berserker could be good. The other side say that you have trait, skills, weapons, runes and sigils for build diversity already and if you try to change things about stats you either risk to break the game or don’t change anything at all since dps will always be the ultimate gold in PvE.

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Posted by: oxtred.7658

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First, mesmers don’t use berserker for most dungeons, they use asassin. Warrior dps is pretty bad and most people find it decent because of the hundred blades syndrom, where putting big numbers, even on long channeled skills, looks like higher dps. They also have the ability to self stack might and fury, so their dps in non organized group is higher.
There’s no such thing as " berserker guardian is good". Guardian itself is a great class, as is mesmer, and the fact they are in berserker gear is a given, because that’s optimal. Guardian is, in a way, a protection provider, if you include active defense as a form of protection. They rely on blinds, aegis, reflects, condition removals and stability instead of just giving boons. Hammer does have the ability to maintain a 100% protection uptime if needed, though. But all of this doesn’t require any gear, and being tanky in pve is a selfish investment. All point in vitality and toughness are a training wheel and you help your team better by playing full berserker ( or a mix with assassin , or full assassin) and taking the usual support, again not tied to gear.

For mesmers, they share common uses with guardians, mainly projectile defense and condition removal, and they also have the portal ability along with a bit of stealth to skip trash mobs. They rely on phantasms for most of their damage, so they are indeed clone manipulating, however you don’t spam clones to confuse your foes in pve. First, because mobs don’t get confused by clones, and second, because their base health is too low and they’ll get oneshot anyway.

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Posted by: Tao.5096

Tao.5096

Guardian can spam Protection(-33% damage), Aegis(Block), Regen(Heal) and Heal spikes.

Mesmer can hide behind or inbetween clones, can stealth, can grant itself Aegis and other Boons. Also has a skill or trait that makes them block all incoming stuff for some time(similar to Warrior’s Endure Pain utility/trait).

Both classes work well on zerk gear, because they can control incoming damage with various other methods than Dodge Roll alone.

I for example, have a hard time catching up zerk mesmer in the middle of it’s clones.
And it’s not a stigma/boon issue. Sometimes I win, sometimes not. Depends how I feel and how I play it out.

Warrior damage has been nerfed, and i can tell you that guardian has much better damage output – at least on greatsword, than warrior(PvP wise).
That’s caused by useless Hundred Blades which lack mobility, compared to Guardian’s chainsaw.

Nevertheless, each class can be wonderful on zerk spec, problem lies in ability of playing it and survival management.

Did I ever tell you, the definition, of Insanity?

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Posted by: mightyJAWS.3621

mightyJAWS.3621

Okay, so how abou spvp and wvw, would bunker guardian be good there?

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Posted by: mightyJAWS.3621

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And if you can recommend on a berserker guardian pve build that’ll be great

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Posted by: Thaddeus.4891

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There is a sticky from Obal in the guardian subforum about Guardian in PvE, read it.

In WvW, you have the AH frontliner. Its a tankier Guardian with the main focus being to give boons to your group (protection, stability and might mostly). Weapons are Staff with either Hammer and Greatsword

In PvP, you have a bunker. Your job would be to keep a node for points. You go all in defense and self healing. You shouldn’t be able to kill anyone (except if they are pretty bad), but your job would be to buy time for your team to kill ppl that try to get the node from you. You will also give them boons, stomp ppl in the node, rez your ally, etc.

Weapons there are usually Mace, Focus and Staff. But some ppl like to use sword for a bit more dps and a reflect or a shield to push back ppl out of the node.

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