Guild Wars 2

Condi Guard? Really? Aegis which is so useless? Vitality in the bunker line?

I’m seriously done with this game. The balance of this game has ruined it for me. I loved Guild Wars 1 and now I’m so furious with these changes that I’m done. Turning to something else. Sad because I just bought this game for a friend. Don’t worry won’t be doing that again.

All disappointing to me too. But we’re guardians so we can’t have nice things. (We don’t need OP things … we just want neater things than this. FUN ideas)

Guard is in a good place and will continue to be. The class doesn’t need much right now.

guardians “in a good place” = not allowed to have fun, ignore broken mechanics.

ArenaNet logic?

I’m going to repeat what I said in the Guardian subforum; I wish they would’ve simply said “Guardians are in a comfortable position right now so we won’t be adding new traits yet” instead of giving these new traits.

+33% burning damage and retaliation scaling with condition damage, but you don’t fix the fundamental flaws of condition guards? Not a single word about our lack of multiple conditions or the innate problems with burning, like being pushed off and/or only stacking in duration?

They should at least be honest about it, they know these traits will change nothing to Guardians. Just stick to the builds you’ve been using since launch basically.

At the very least i expected a rework on spirit weapons considering they have been broken since release.

Spirit weapons have been the number one most discussed issue on the guardian forums since release, yet they have received the least amount of attention.

If ArenaNet actually visited the guardian forums more often they might have known this.

Can someone verify my math for a second. Let’s compare the new talent (+33% burning damage) to kindled zeal (13% of your power to condition damage).

The base damage of burning is 328/sec and scales with condition damage for .25 per point of condition damage. The new trait adds 33% burning damage, resulting in 436 damage/sec (at +0 condition damage). This results in a difference of roughly 108 damage.

In order to add 108 damage to burning, you need to have 432 condition damage. That translates into 3330 power for the Kindled zeal talent. Why on earth would anyone going for condition damage ever choose Kindled zeal over the new talent? Even for power Guardians, who usually invest into Radiance, Kindled zeal is clearly the worse of the two (at +250 condition damage from 25 points into radiance, you would need 5253 power before kindled zeal is equal to the damage added from the +33% damage trait) . How does simply adding more damage to burning all of a sudden make it viable when it didn’t before?

What was Anet’s thought process behind this new ability? It seems to overshadow kindled zeal while providing the exact same end result, to boost burning damage. The only way Kindled Zeal still can pull ahead is when you go for a power build that ignores radiance (the tree that’s all about boosting burning damage) and manages to get 25 might stacks, a warrior banner and various consumables (and avoids any and all boosts to condition damage in any shape or form).

You’ve been rangered. Congrats.

Seriously though, I’d agree that the guardian changes were kind of meh all around. Is a perma burn that deals x8 bleed damage enough to make a condi guardian viable? Dunno…

Atherakhia.4086:

You’ve been rangered. Congrats.

Seriously though, I’d agree that the guardian changes were kind of meh all around. Is a perma burn that deals x8 bleed damage enough to make a condi guardian viable? Dunno…

The only thing that will make a condi guard viable is ArenaNet giving guardians more conditions, one is not enough.

Rangersix.1754:

Can someone verify my math for a second. Let’s compare the new talent (+33% burning damage) to kindled zeal (13% of your power to condition damage).

The base damage of burning is 328/sec and scales with condition damage for .25 per point of condition damage. The new trait adds 33% burning damage, resulting in 436 damage/sec (at +0 condition damage). This results in a difference of roughly 108 damage.

In order to add 108 damage to burning, you need to have 432 condition damage. That translates into 3330 power for the Kindled zeal talent. Why on earth would anyone going for condition damage ever choose Kindled zeal over the new talent? Even for power Guardians, who usually invest into Radiance, Kindled zeal is clearly the worse of the two (at +250 condition damage from 25 points into radiance, you would need 5253 power before kindled zeal is equal to the damage added from the +33% damage trait) . How does simply adding more damage to burning all of a sudden make it viable when it didn’t before?

What was Anet’s thought process behind this new ability? It seems to overshadow kindled zeal while providing the exact same end result, to boost burning damage. The only way Kindled Zeal still can pull ahead is when you go for a power build that ignores radiance (the tree that’s all about boosting burning damage) and manages to get 25 might stacks, a warrior banner and various consumables.

I thought the same thing with my Carrion amulet, signet Guardian. They should have put it in Radiance or moved Kindled Zeal to Radiance or a lower tier. With the upcoming swap sigil changes the condition damage will be way better for a hybrid than only a 33% burning increase.

33% extra burn damage is pretty major. That trait sounds really good to me. My guardian is my avatar I go on when I feel like actually helping my allies and not being stuck between a rock and a hard place like I do on my necromancer. The change for retaliation scaling with condition damage instead of power is an interesting trait, but I don’t feel that its grandmaster material considering it doesn’t sound like it changed the power of retaliation any, just gives them another damage option for conditions.

I don’t see any reason why guardians can’t just get bleeding on a weapon considering one of the influences for their profession was the Paragon from GW1 who did have a few bleeding skills.

Communal Defenses doesn’t seem that bad actually. More blocks for allies is always helpful. I like the idea behind this and I might consider using it myself. I enjoy support and I would like to do it more on other professions. So we will see.

Purity of Body seems interesting. Endurance regen is something that is a powerful effect. You really appreciate having endurance when you have limited access to it. cough cough necro Cough cough

It isn’t all doom and gloom. Actually, I’m rather excited to see how this goes because from my stand point it sounds pretty good.