Guild Wars 2

….to complain about them.

At least that’s what it feels like. Considering the consistent stranglehold this class has had on all aspects of the game since launch it receives surprisingly little complaints. I guess it’s because in 1v1 scenario, which everyone bases their assessments on, Guardians seem ok.

But while it was fair to complain about Thieves displacing all other damage dealers in sPvP it has never been an issue that Guardians, since the dawn of this game, have been the uncontested bunker class.

Nothing comes close to Guardians in this role and everyone seems to be ok with it. Why? Have we become so complacent that we simply accept this as a rule of the game?

All all other roles up for grabs (roamer, point-fighter etc.) except for mid-bunker? Have we given up trying to see class diversity in this role?

Or what about WvW where 30-40%….sometimes even as many as 60% of classes are made up of Guardians. Guardians that turn themselves and their team-mates into nigh-unkillable blobs.

Guardians by themselves also seem to negate the entire power of conditions in large scale battles, conditions which normally dominate any smaller scale encounter.

Or let’s talk about PvE where Guardians seem to cover 80% of the support a group might need. Sure, you might take a Mesmer for more reflects or an Elementalist for damage but when it comes to defensive support a Guardian is all you could ever ask for. The 1-stop carefree package to any PvE trip you might have planned.

In any other MMO having so much (defensive) power culminating in a single class would be considered game-breaking. And it is.

And yet in Guild Wars 2 this seems to be perfectly acceptable.

Guardians might not have 20.000 crits, stealth or other obvious “in your face” imbalances that might spark QQ on the forums. But if you ask me they are probably the single most broken class in the game, simply because of all the defensive and group utility they have accumulated in themselves.

Dee Jay.2460:

….to complain about them.

At least that’s what it feels like. Considering the consistent stranglehold this class has had on all aspects of the game since launch it receives surprisingly little complaints. I guess it’s because in 1v1 scenario, which everyone bases their assessments on, Warriors seem ok.

But while it was fair to complain about Thieves displacing all other damage dealers in sPvP it has never been an issue that Warriors, since the dawn of this game, have been the uncontested bunker class.

Nothing comes close to Warriors in this role and everyone seems to be ok with it. Why? Have we become so complacent that we simply accept this as a rule of the game?

All all other roles up for grabs (roamer, point-fighter etc.) except for mid-bunker? Have we given up trying to see class diversity in this role?

Or what about WvW where 60-70%….sometimes even as many as 60% of classes are made up of Warriors. Warriors that turn themselves and their team-mates into nigh-unkillable blobs.

Warriors by themselves also seem to negate the entire power of conditions in large scale battles, conditions which normally dominate any smaller scale encounter.

Or let’s talk about PvE where Warriors seem to cover 80% of the support a group might need. Sure, you might take a Mesmer for more reflects or an Elementalist for damage but when it comes to defensive support a Warrior is all you could ever ask for. The 1-stop carefree package to any PvE trip you might have planned.

In any other MMO having so much (defensive) power culminating in a single class would be considered game-breaking. And it is.

And yet in Guild Wars 2 this seems to be perfectly acceptable.

Warriors do have 20.000 crits and other obvious “in your face” imbalances that might spark QQ on the forums. But if you ask me they are probably the single most broken class in the game, simply because of all the defensive and group utility they have accumulated in themselves.

I fixed it for you.

Silent Shino.7239:

I fixed it for you.

This. Wp GG!

Dee Jay.2460:

….to complain about them.

At least that’s what it feels like. Considering the consistent stranglehold this class has had on all aspects of the game since launch it receives surprisingly little complaints. I guess it’s because in 1v1 scenario, which everyone bases their assessments on, Guardians seem ok.

Then I go get on my mediation build and kill anything that isn’t a Engineer. Why is it even a thing that alot of people play guardians or warriors. Why should we complain because people like the class or have an alt of one. That shouldn’t be the bases to raise eyebrows. Every class gets complained about and guardian is no exception if you pay attention to the forums enough you would see that there are threads complaining about guardians holding the bunker title and essential to dungeon and team comps. Your post doesn’t raise unanswered questions people haven’t created a thread about it’s just people aren’t creating 20 threads all saying the same thing.

I have no personal problems with guardians I have one and run it triple meds and it is fun. I just don’t think that it has hid in the shadows unseen. You said it yourself alot of people put stock in 1v1’s and as long as your class isn’t wildly popular wrecking face in 1v1’s then you won’t see 20 threads saying the same thing. Hambow is great in duels but lolz in roaming but can hang in zerging, great in sPvP that is 3 aspects WvW/PvP players care about. Duels/roaming usually bring the biggest complaint threads so you need to wait until Guards become popular in duels/roaming and can escape certain death for the frustration level to rise high enough.

If meditation builds ever get just a slight enough buff from anet to allow them to stay on enemies then you will have all the QQ you desire about guardians and 1v1 balance since that is really it’s only weakness as long as you didn’t get blindsided by a thief.

LOL guardians are so ‘balanced’ that’s why no one trips. We need changes for the better (improvements, not downgrades)

I hate thieves more than any other class in the game. It kittenes me off to see someone hit me for 7k+ twice or more in a row then stealth and repeat over and over again until I’m dead or run away and heartseeker across the map until out of combat never to be seen again the moment I get decent damage on them. I hate thieves with a passion that burns 10000 times hotter than the sun(no offense Ozii. I’m Sheva Alamarr BTW), HOWEVER I do not go and create threads that blatantly suggest to Nerf or take away something from another class. That’s such a kitten move. If someone said take away thieves’ ability to stealth you had best prepare yourself for a crap storm of negative comments coming your way. You know what I did? I switched to DPS meditation build and wrecked thieves who thought it was a brilliant idea to stab me in the back while having a 1v1 or sometimes 1v2 and beat them in their own game.

Perhaps if you spent more time theory crafting and improving yourself as a player than you do creating threads to Nerf another class maybe you wouldn’t feel this way.

Silent Shino.7239:

Dee Jay.2460:

….to complain about them.

At least that’s what it feels like. Considering the consistent stranglehold this class has had on all aspects of the game since launch it receives surprisingly little complaints. I guess it’s because in 1v1 scenario, which everyone bases their assessments on, Warriors seem ok.

But while it was fair to complain about Thieves displacing all other damage dealers in sPvP it has never been an issue that Warriors, since the dawn of this game, have been the uncontested bunker class.

Nothing comes close to Warriors in this role and everyone seems to be ok with it. Why? Have we become so complacent that we simply accept this as a rule of the game?

All all other roles up for grabs (roamer, point-fighter etc.) except for mid-bunker? Have we given up trying to see class diversity in this role?

Or what about WvW where 60-70%….sometimes even as many as 60% of classes are made up of Warriors. Warriors that turn themselves and their team-mates into nigh-unkillable blobs.

Warriors by themselves also seem to negate the entire power of conditions in large scale battles, conditions which normally dominate any smaller scale encounter.

Or let’s talk about PvE where Warriors seem to cover 80% of the support a group might need. Sure, you might take a Mesmer for more reflects or an Elementalist for damage but when it comes to defensive support a Warrior is all you could ever ask for. The 1-stop carefree package to any PvE trip you might have planned.

In any other MMO having so much (defensive) power culminating in a single class would be considered game-breaking. And it is.

And yet in Guild Wars 2 this seems to be perfectly acceptable.

Warriors do have 20.000 crits and other obvious “in your face” imbalances that might spark QQ on the forums. But if you ask me they are probably the single most broken class in the game, simply because of all the defensive and group utility they have accumulated in themselves.

I fixed it for you.

All you did was display your lack of understanding. Warriors and defensive support? Really? Warriors provide 80% of the support a group might want? Most importantly, no one’s complaining about warriors? Give me a break.

Theres was a topic that warrior needed more damage and burst damage, ;D

Who isn’t complaining about warriors, lol. Neeeerf x.x

Guardians are not broken. Guardians are among the most balanced classes of any MMO I’ve ever played. The deva should be proud of what they’ve done with them and move to make every class more like them.

Roe.3679:

Guardians are not broken. Guardians are among the most balanced classes of any MMO I’ve ever played. The deva should be proud of what they’ve done with them and move to make every class more like them.

So essentially guardian receives no updates, no changes, nada.

All the while other classes go through “amazing” transformations to try and bring then closer to guardian… Bland with a few top meta builds (that have been there since beta) for each game mode.

Fantastic~ Guardians are “in a good place.”

There’s that problem indeed.
If you want support, why would you bring anything bout guardian? And if it’s not enough, bring another gaurd ?

You see, if you want a DPS you have many options and builds. It can be Ele, Ranger, Warrior, Guardian, Thief, anything.

But if you want support or bunker…. Guardian. Anything else? Naah, because who has boons, healing, perma protection, best Stability and cleanses. No other profession can bring that much. It’s not balanced at all.

Roe.3679:

Guardians are not broken. Guardians are among the most balanced classes of any MMO I’ve ever played. The deva should be proud of what they’ve done with them and move to make every class more like them.

As I said this is only true if you look at 1v1 balance.

But if they are so balanced, why do they make up up to 50% of WvW guild zergs? Far more than any other class, even Warriors.

Why have Guardians been the undisputed mid-bunkers in sPvP since launch? Why is that ok when Thieves for example rightfully receive complaints about displacing all other roamers. Is it fair or balanced to have one class basically own a role?

Why are Guardians by far the most desirable class for Fractals?

I can tell you one thing, it’s not because they are “fair and balanced”.

After beta, necro bunker got nerfed beyond oblivion and Anet shamlessly affraid to buff them in that role, so guardians are uncontested bunkers in the game.
And due to their wide variety and good support they are too valuable in both WvW and PvE. Every defensive thing in the game is available to them, except weakness.

Dee Jay.2460:

Why are Guardians by far the most desirable class for Fractals?

I can tell you one thing, it’s not because they are “fair and balanced”.

You make it a point to distinguish solo-Guardian from party-Guardian. I’m glad you did so, because that’s key. I agree with the post above that they’re supremely well balanced and the crux of that balance lies in that distinction.

The issue really isn’t that they’re so powerful, it’s that they’re so well realised for their roles that they fulfil them appropriately. It’s some of the others that need a bit of a helping hand to fulfil their potential.

blakdoxa.7520:

Roe.3679:

Guardians are not broken. Guardians are among the most balanced classes of any MMO I’ve ever played. The deva should be proud of what they’ve done with them and move to make every class more like them.

So essentially guardian receives no updates, no changes, nada.

All the while other classes go through “amazing” transformations to try and bring then closer to guardian… Bland with a few top meta builds (that have been there since beta) for each game mode.

Fantastic~ Guardians are “in a good place.”

What classes are you even talking about? Getting an amazing transformation as you say would only result in nerfing guardians over the long term. As I’ve said in other guardian threads, be careful what you wish for. It’ll end up worse than where you are now if guardians got some transformation. Look at condi necromancers, or d/d eles, or s/d thieves, or how warriors are slowly being nerfed currently… Those classes end up shaved down to mediocrity, and guards are already above being mediocre.

Anyway in regards to guardians being so popular in all game modes, I think other classes need to be brought up to where guards are, or at least in the ballpark since a guardian is literally named “guardian,” it sort of implies they will be the best at support. I think taking guardians and nerfing them would be a negative move for the game as a whole.

Guardians are not broken. They’re powerful, but not overpowered.

Before the rise of the condi meta last summer, alternatives to team bunker guardians were starting to appear. With more changes, you’ll probably see that develop again. What makes guardian so beneficial for team fights is all the support they bring through healing, might stacks, protection, and the all important team condition cleanse and team stability. Other builds can actually bunker better, but they don’t have the team support.

Support guardians could use a small trim, but you have to very careful about doing it and not completely breaking the profession.

Dalanor.5387:

After beta, necro bunker got nerfed beyond oblivion and Anet shamlessly affraid to buff them in that role, so guardians are uncontested bunkers in the game.
And due to their wide variety and good support they are too valuable in both WvW and PvE. Every defensive thing in the game is available to them, except weakness.

Actually guardian has decent access to weakness:

Signet of Judgement and Shield of Avenger.

Tyreal.5230:

I hate thieves more than any other class in the game. It kittenes me off to see someone hit me for 7k+ twice or more in a row then stealth and repeat over and over again until I’m dead or run away and heartseeker across the map until out of combat never to be seen again the moment I get decent damage on them. I hate thieves with a passion that burns 10000 times hotter than the sun(no offense Ozii. I’m Sheva Alamarr BTW), HOWEVER I do not go and create threads that blatantly suggest to Nerf or take away something from another class. That’s such a kitten move. If someone said take away thieves’ ability to stealth you had best prepare yourself for a crap storm of negative comments coming your way. You know what I did? I switched to DPS meditation build and wrecked thieves who thought it was a brilliant idea to stab me in the back while having a 1v1 or sometimes 1v2 and beat them in their own game.

Perhaps if you spent more time theory crafting and improving yourself as a player than you do creating threads to Nerf another class maybe you wouldn’t feel this way.

Maybe if you learned how to read, you would take note that the OP wasn’t talking about 1v1 capabilities.

The fact is that in terms of group support (what you apparently failed to grasp before going on your tangent about 1v1ing thieves), was that Guardian far exceeds all other classes in every area of the game.