Guild Wars 2

My mesmer is 4-4-0-5-0 spec’d with the last point floating around because I can never seem to find a good spot for it ;/

All precision/power/condi damage gear with runes of speed, sigil of air, 7% crit sigil…

My mesmer cannot kill a warrior to save it’s life. 8k eviserates, clones go down faster than I put them up… It’s horrid.

…but what’s even worse are the warriors that I cannot damage. Two GS phantasms, and a Pistol Phantasm, 5 stacks of confusion, and the warrior ignores me, killed the yak I’m guarding, laughs, does a little dance and runs off…

and I can’t even begin to catch him…

Anyone have any tips? or should I just play my warrior?

Since you seem to be running a classic Phantasm build, I’m wondering why you have condi gear on? You’d do better using Zerker than Rampagers.

Its normal WvWmadness, even in full berserker you wont be able to kill an average warrior solo, unless he afks at least 30 seconds. My Advice: dont try it or play warrior/thief for easy kills.

Magi.8061:

Its normal WvWmadness, even in full berserker you wont be able to kill an average warrior solo, unless he afks at least 30 seconds. My Advice: dont try it or play warrior/thief for easy kills.

Why are you trolling the newbies?

Magi.8061:

Its normal WvWmadness, even in full berserker you wont be able to kill an average warrior solo, unless he afks at least 30 seconds. My Advice: dont try it or play warrior/thief for easy kills.

Well, that is just wrong. Maybe adding Sigil of Doom would help. Seeing as they love to go immune or use blocks and run around in circles while they passively heal.

Its not trolling the newbies, its telling them how it is in WvW, there might be balance in spvp but as soon as nourishments and WvWstacks come into play…

Every Warrior capable of pressing more than 2 buttons will leave the fight as soon as he thinks you might be able to slowly outdamage his passive healing.

Coddling: maybe get some toughness instead of condi (since it scales with clones and phants) l2 kite better, stack your CC and let your phants go to town:

Harsh: stop rolling phant and you will get better.

Magi.8061:

Its not trolling the newbies, its telling them how it is in WvW, there might be balance in spvp but as soon as nourishments and WvWstacks come into play…

Every Warrior capable of pressing more than 2 buttons will leave the fight as soon as he thinks you might be able to slowly outdamage his passive healing.

Sad but true. Although the OP isn’t doing him/herself any favours by using Rampager’s in a phantasm spec.

Pls…
Warriors are like litmus paper in this game. Unfortunatly, it shows, that TS is noob one.
P.S. Go to PvP, try diffirent builds, discover weaknesses of other classes. Srsly, mesmer = one of the biggest pain for warriors.

Don’t bother with WvW or PvP unless you want badges or reward track loot. Not worth it otherwise.

4-4-0-0-6, 4-4-6-0-0 or 2-4-6-2-0 should easily be able to kill a warrior.

With 4-4-0-0-6 you can really make much use of the boon removal on shatter since the warrior most likely gonna blow his signet to gain fury, swiftness and might. Without that swiftness the warriors mobility is much lower so you can actually kite around a bit.

With 4-4-6-0-0 you just put enough preasure on him with phantasm till he’s dead while you keep stealthing everytime you get preasured a lot.

sorry, but you’re going to have to go PU to survive roaming

Mesmer should never lose a 1v1 with a power based warrior.

Condition warrior is a bit scarier for mesmer.

Well… I was using rampagers for two reasons.

1: Berserkers costs a fortune, and I’m broke.
2: Illusions do a pretty good job of stacking bleeds, so having a little condition damage isn’t a bad thing.

So I spent a day playing my warrior, put on a bunch of clerics gear, and tested things out.

The warrior is not the problem. Phantasm mesmer builds just have dismal damage.

The GS phantasm hits for around 5k on a good day. The #1 attack is lucky to hit 1k. Whether I’d be better off with more ferocity and less bleeds, doesn’t seem to matter much when a glass cannon build is doing less damage than a guardian bunker.

…I’m starting to see why shattercat is the most popular build.

You can’t say they have terrible damage when you aren’t using the right gear. When you have the right traits armor, sigils and runes they do VERY good damage. Easily up there with the best of them when it comes to burst (imo)

Sahhter builds are good but require more skill to play, you have to time them just right and use the right shatter at the right time.

Yes because another 200 ferocity would make me a warrior slaying machine.. they would all have to bow down before me!!!

What a fool I’ve been! Thinking that a little condition damage would balance the loss of 200 ferocity! 10 stacks of bleeds and 10 stacks of confusion mean nothing to me now…

It all makes sense!!!

If you are not running a zerk gear set how can you expect a zerk build to be that great? My Mesmer in not even full zerk does great iZerker damage and the shatters do great damage.

You must be trolling at this point. You asked your question and you’ve got your answer, but all you seem to be doing is arguing with the answer you got. Maybe the reason you keep losing is you’re incapable of actually taking on useful advice and considering you’re actualyl wrong.

Go get the proper gear for your build and L2P mesmer or just stop whinning. I have no trouble vs warriors in a full zerker 4-4-6-0-0 phantasm spec and I am a casual mesmer player whose played <150 hours on it.

So I thought, well maybe they’re right, maybe there’s something I’m just not seeing, and I went out and bought zerker gear.

So now my crits hit harder, but there’s less of them, and I do have harder normal hits, but my bleeds do even less damage, so all-in-all switching to bezerker gear DID NOTHING!

…except cost me 40 gold.

Talk about trolling, that’s the best troll on the forums: “just buy zerker gear, and everything will be better”

…but the reality is, a warrior 2-shotting clones as fast as you can make them, while regening 800-1000 health-per-second, doesn’t care if you’re using rampagers or zerker gear, he just knows you’re a free kill.

My biggest annoyance with warriors is their ability to exit the battle when they hit 20 percent (same with thieves).

Couple of days ago I bowed to a warrior I beat because it was the first time in ages one actually stayed around to the end of a 1v1. It’s just too easy for these classes to get away.

Realist.5812:

Mesmer should never lose a 1v1 with a power based warrior.

Condition warrior is a bit scarier for mesmer.

/thread

Ezeriel.9574:

So I thought, well maybe they’re right, maybe there’s something I’m just not seeing, and I went out and bought zerker gear.

So now my crits hit harder, but there’s less of them, and I do have harder normal hits, but my bleeds do even less damage, so all-in-all switching to bezerker gear DID NOTHING!

…except cost me 40 gold.

Talk about trolling, that’s the best troll on the forums: “just buy zerker gear, and everything will be better”

…but the reality is, a warrior 2-shotting clones as fast as you can make them, while regening 800-1000 health-per-second, doesn’t care if you’re using rampagers or zerker gear, he just knows you’re a free kill.

I am sorry to hear that. But this is the result of asking in the profession balance sections. This is a section of b****, moaning and trolling. There is a reason why devs separated them out from the class forums. If you want a more productive answer ask it in a Warrior or Mesmer forums.

As a warrior I have asked the same questions about Mesmer in the warrior forum and had very good response.

But generally power warrior are at a disadvantage against Mesmer. I personally find much more difficult to fight against a conditional Mesmer than a power one. As a conditional shout warrior, I have no problem against a Mesmer though.

By the way we don’t generate 800 to 1000 health per sec, around 400 for HS and 140 for Adrenal health (only with full adren). We do a good armor however.

Honestly if you want to beat a warrior the easier but boring way go PU condition.

10/20/30/0/0, put the extra 10 points where ever else. I usually put the 10 extra in domination for Halting Strike for a bit extra damage or Dueling to get Pistol CD.

Then go Staff + Scepter or Sword and Pistol or Torch whichever you prefer. And get full dire gear with Traveler runes. And possibly a condition or precision stacking sigil whichever you prefer. At this point, you’ve hybridized your damage pretty well. You might only have like 1,100-1,200 power but you have a good amount of precision and your crit damage should be around 25%.

It’s quite an expensive set up but if you can’t beat a warrior using PU condition then IDK what to say.

If you want a power build, Phantasm PU (aka power build) works decent. Shatter is a bit harder but it can work if you are experienced with it.

Mesmer is probably the best counter to any power warrior besides hambow. Just play phantasm and laugh at out-sustaining a warrior.

One other thing I think that is worth bringing up: it’s really hard as a single player to keep another from killing a yak. You would need to severely control or burst them down to save a yak before it would die to any half decent level 80. Considering this was mesmer vs warrior, you weren’t going to have much luck intercepting him before be got to the yak, and from there it’s only 10-15 seconds before the yak is dead. Small window to operate there.

Ezeriel.9574:

1: Berserkers costs a fortune, and I’m broke.

My Berserker’s set for my Mesmer (now gathering dust) cost me roughly 5g and some badges…

killahmayne.9518:

Honestly if you want to beat a warrior the easier but boring way go PU condition.

WHY!! Why are you doing this! The plague must not spread!

You’re never really going to keep a yak alive with a sustained-pressure build. Unless the attacker is a tanky uplevel or something, I guess?

You need burst+CC. Even then, it’s pretty hard unless you catch your enemy a good distance before they hit the yak. Many WvW characters have enough damage output and stunbreaks/stability to kill the yak before you can kill them (which is usually worth it to them, if they’re serious about denying supply).

Ezeriel.9574:

while regening 800-1000 health-per-second,

Healing signet is 362 base i believe, which is roughly on par with most heals that only “heal” in terms of HPS. Adrenal health is 125/240/360 base at 1/2/3 bars of Adrenaline every 3 seconds, commonly believed to be every second. I’m not sure where you got 800-1k HPS from.

Ezeriel.9574:

…but the reality is, a warrior 2-shotting clones as fast as you can make them

That’s kind of what they’re there for.

Clones are utterly disposable. Don’t get me wrong, they’re useful: you can get some good damage out of them with a Staff build, and they’re by far the easiest way to set up shatters (such as the every-popular Mirror Images + dodge + IP burst). But they’re really not supposed to, like, tank enemies for an extended amount of time or anything.

A lot of mez builds benefit from this, actually, since you can apply a couple of nasty effects on clone death, and many opponents can’t help but cleave through your clones if you’re standing near one.

Nilkemia.8507:

Don’t bother with WvW or PvP unless you want badges or reward track loot. Not worth it otherwise.

I’m not sure what’s left at this point since GW2 PvE is a steaming pile of kttens.

Have faith, OP. Mesmers destroy Warriors more easily than any other class.

Take my example. There I was in Skyhammer, right? And I have an Axe/Shield + Longbow spec, so I can do burning damage and then smack you around a bit. Well, I go up to Point B and there’s this Mesmer, with his 3 clones, just chillin there AFK-like. Well, he wasn’t AFK, he was like a praying mantis waiting for the kill. And boy, he beat me good. I got some hits on him, but it was all BAM SMASH SCHIIING KAPOW, clones exploding, Torment, Confusion, other WTF-condis, and he even went Invulnerable for a bit. I was dead in, like, 15 seconds.

So, just keep experimenting.

Corax.7381:

Have faith, OP. Mesmers destroy Warriors more easily than any other class.

Take my example. There I was in Skyhammer, right? And I have an Axe/Shield + Longbow spec, so I can do burning damage and then smack you around a bit. Well, I go up to Point B and there’s this Mesmer, with his 3 clones, just chillin there AFK-like. Well, he wasn’t AFK, he was like a praying mantis waiting for the kill. And boy, he beat me good. I got some hits on him, but it was all BAM SMASH SCHIIING KAPOW, clones exploding, Torment, Confusion, other WTF-condis, and he even went Invulnerable for a bit. I was dead in, like, 15 seconds.

So, just keep experimenting.

Yes. Take drugs like this guy.

If you are going full phantasm killer mode, it seems that 2/3/0/5/4 is better, although I only casually do wvw (and when roaming, PU reall is better); the reason being, you get +30% damage on your phantasms, fury, bleeding on crit, and faster attack rate on your phantasms.

Add in the healing signet, you pop immediately after your first two phantasms to get a third, then use something like veil, mass invis, etc, to get him off your butt while your 3 phantasms hammer him.

Or Moa to cripple his responses for 10 seconds.

Anyway, I’m not saying this is the build you should run in wvw; I’m saying this is the build that absolutely maximizes your phantasms damage, along with zerker gear.

If you are roaming though, I tend to run a modified PU build instead. And in actuality, due to all the aoes when zerg meets zerg, on-death effects for your clones/etc might be worthy with condi enhancers instead.

Miroe.2054:

killahmayne.9518:

Honestly if you want to beat a warrior the easier but boring way go PU condition.

WHY!! Why are you doing this! The plague must not spread!

agreed. PU is a powerful crutch, but by no means do you NEED it to survive roaming. get creative with portals, you’ve got tons of stealth with torch, decoy, veil, and mass invis,

mesmer has enough escape that traiting into PU is a waste unless you’ve got to sneak into SMC or a keep or some kitten. You would be better off putting those traits into another tree.

Hamster.4861:

Miroe.2054:

killahmayne.9518:

Honestly if you want to beat a warrior the easier but boring way go PU condition.

WHY!! Why are you doing this! The plague must not spread!

agreed. PU is a powerful crutch, but by no means do you NEED it to survive roaming. get creative with portals, you’ve got tons of stealth with torch, decoy, veil, and mass invis,

mesmer has enough escape that traiting into PU is a waste unless you’ve got to sneak into SMC or a keep or some kitten. You would be better off putting those traits into another tree.

Actually, when roaming, I use PU, but not conditions and on death. I bump up phantasms with phantasmal fury, sharper images, etc.

Cant get ALL the phantasm buffs, but I get some, and enough that I spin out phantasms in between stealths.

Not precisely to fight anyone else, but to fight thieves. I stealth when they do, heh, and let my phantasms, who auto target him when he decloaks, and continue to hammer on him.

Its a lot of fun