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Which class has the highest burst damage in the first 5-6 seconds of the fight?

I tried to find similar threads but they were all out-dated.

PS: Assuming all classes have pre-stacked might, so access to might is not something to consider.

Power Necro Lich form auto attack.

TheBlackLeech.9360:

Power Necro Lich form auto attack.

Nope.

I’d say Scepter Ele (with LH?) has a pretty high burst potential. That or a dagger thief that has smoke screen (or any other lasting smoke field) and spams Heartseeker followed by Backstab.

Any Ele burst build comes out on top AFAIK.
Followed by Ranger with LB and Sword Axe.
Rapid Fire does 20k+ damage in 1.5 seconds, followed by 2x 4-9k bursts from axe all while sword and pet AA does 2-5k Autos every 0.5 seconds….

Thief burst is, unfortunately, limited by revealed timer.

Fresh Air ele, no contest. 26k in less than 1.5 seconds. And that’s without pre-buffing to 25 Might.

Prysin.8542:

Any Ele burst build comes out on top AFAIK.
Followed by Ranger with LB and Sword Axe.
Rapid Fire does 20k+ damage in 1.5 seconds, followed by 2x 4-9k bursts from axe all while sword and pet AA does 2-5k Autos every 0.5 seconds….

Thief burst is, unfortunately, limited by revealed timer.

I was also thinking ranger. Pre fight frost spirit, RaO-Quick. zeph.-SotW-Jaguar f2-Barrage-RF-path of scars.

Which rotation of Ele comes higher than this?

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Prysin.8542:

Any Ele burst build comes out on top AFAIK.
Followed by Ranger with LB and Sword Axe.
Rapid Fire does 20k+ damage in 1.5 seconds, followed by 2x 4-9k bursts from axe all while sword and pet AA does 2-5k Autos every 0.5 seconds….

Thief burst is, unfortunately, limited by revealed timer.

I was also thinking ranger. Pre fight frost spirit, RaO-Quick. zeph.-SotW-Jaguar f2-Barrage-RF-path of scars.

Which rotation of Ele comes higher than this?

Pre-cast dragon tooth, triple phoenix, lightning flash, double lightning combo happens almost instantly and can hit 20-30k.

Medi Guard and Shatter Mesmer are also high on the list. Discharge Engi.

A better question would probably be which class can deliver this kind of burst the easiest and most often?

I don’t know about 5-6 seconds… But there’s always this:
http://youtu.be/Y5rpPFp0Hic?t=43s

That high burst ele build is just a glass cannon. With the cantrips he can run from most fights but if the wind blows on him he dies and using most of his cd for that burst. Still celestial can do comparable burst and be able to take a hit.

Fresh air ele without a doubt. Most of it is also pretty hard to predict too.

spoj.9672:

TheBlackLeech.9360:

Power Necro Lich form auto attack.

Nope.

Yeah actually.
The dude said 5-6 seconds…..

90% of the replies in this thread are 1.5 seconds of burst.

Not to mention you pre-cast wells before lich form.

Ulion.5476:

That high burst ele build is just a glass cannon. With the cantrips he can run from most fights but if the wind blows on him he dies and using most of his cd for that burst. Still celestial can do comparable burst and be able to take a hit.

I’m confused as to how this relates to the conversation.

Also, celestial gives a burst comparable to berserker?

Boottspurr.9184:

Ulion.5476:

That high burst ele build is just a glass cannon. With the cantrips he can run from most fights but if the wind blows on him he dies and using most of his cd for that burst. Still celestial can do comparable burst and be able to take a hit.

I’m confused as to how this relates to the conversation.

Also, celestial gives a burst comparable to berserker?

Ya me too i’m confuse my what Ulion say. Op didn’t ask what is the best build overall, he ask specifically what is the best burst possible.

And this? ‘’Still celestial can do comparable burst and be able to take a hit’’. I think he need to learn the definition of comparable. If you have a comparable burst you will be able to take a comparable hit.

I would suspect a rotation such as: arcane wave→churning earth (time AW to hit right before churning earth and assume we start the clock right when the arcane lands)→earthquake→lightning strike-ride the lightning→updraft→dragonstooth→arcane blast→phoenix→ring of fire→frostbow barrage. Have the fire elemental out and have it use the activated skill to hit right as churning earth does.
For build something like either this:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFAQJArYnMIS1DWyAuMAdEGgAIiFMduVcZWHA-TJRBwAX3fgcZAAnAgHPAAA
Or this:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFAQJArYnMIS1DWyAuMAdEGIAICfEkMKX863IA-TJRBwAX3fgcZAAnAgHPAAA
For second one lava tomb is for the hypothetical chance that you can be downed and instantly rally at the very start of your rotation giving a nice persisting flames boosted lava font (also need to be instantly healed back to full for scholar rune bonus), but that really is getting ridiculously unrealistic

For either build, tempest defense gives 20% extra damage during the 2 cc’s, though lightning rod proccing 2 more lightning bolts might be slightly better. Assume prestacking from external sources for might and furry

5 seconds is a long time.

So I will agree with LF berserker necro, as it will undeniably yield the highest damage throughput in that long of a period.

Otherwise, FA ele followed by D/D stab thief.

DeceiverX.8361:

5 seconds is a long time.

So I will agree with LF berserker necro, as it will undeniably yield the highest damage throughput in that long of a period.

Otherwise, FA ele followed by D/D stab thief.

A d/d thief does not have higher burst than a ranger in 5 secs.

I’m surprised by no Engi answer, I’d imagine it’d rank up there pretty well. Barrage->FT2->EG4->Jumpshot->blunderbuss->Frostgrenade… are we at 5s yet? If not shrapnel and a grenade1?

Match Ele, surely not, but I’d imagine it’s not bad compared to many others.

EDIT: Forgot to mention the toolbelt skills + SD added on top of that.

The people saying necro are hilarious, if necros had the highest damage over 5 or 6 seconds they would be meta in dungeons. Also, are we talking pve where stuff stands still or against people where they move about. If pve then eles win out due to icebow. In pvp, over five seconds probably fresh air ele, d/d theif, or some engi build.

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

DeceiverX.8361:

5 seconds is a long time.

So I will agree with LF berserker necro, as it will undeniably yield the highest damage throughput in that long of a period.

Otherwise, FA ele followed by D/D stab thief.

A d/d thief does not have higher burst than a ranger in 5 secs.

In 5 seconds a Thief will backstab twice, cloak and dagger, and go through 2 dagger cycles. If that’s right, it comes out to 10.32.

Ranger will RF, 1x Sword Cycle, and a Path of Scars + a pet F2? That’s 6.85 + whatever for the pet. And that’s not repeatable.

Even if you don’t want to factor in a second backstab, it still wins.

Atherakhia.4086:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

DeceiverX.8361:

5 seconds is a long time.

So I will agree with LF berserker necro, as it will undeniably yield the highest damage throughput in that long of a period.

Otherwise, FA ele followed by D/D stab thief.

A d/d thief does not have higher burst than a ranger in 5 secs.

In 5 seconds a Thief will backstab twice, cloak and dagger, and go through 2 dagger cycles. If that’s right, it comes out to 10.32.

Ranger will RF, 1x Sword Cycle, and a Path of Scars + a pet F2? That’s 6.85 + whatever for the pet. And that’s not repeatable.

Even if you don’t want to factor in a second backstab, it still wins.

No sword auto on ranger or you lose damage. You start with barrage, rapid fire after, and instant path of scars. Jaguar does not have a “special ability”, its just an instant stealth for 6 secs where it has +25% crit.

zapv.8051:

The people saying necro are hilarious, if necros had the highest damage over 5 or 6 seconds they would be meta in dungeons. Also, are we talking pve where stuff stands still or against people where they move about. If pve then eles win out due to icebow. In pvp, over five seconds probably fresh air ele, d/d theif, or some engi build.

If lich form could be used for more than 20 seconds every 3 minutes they probably would be the meta.

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Atherakhia.4086:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

DeceiverX.8361:

5 seconds is a long time.

So I will agree with LF berserker necro, as it will undeniably yield the highest damage throughput in that long of a period.

Otherwise, FA ele followed by D/D stab thief.

A d/d thief does not have higher burst than a ranger in 5 secs.

In 5 seconds a Thief will backstab twice, cloak and dagger, and go through 2 dagger cycles. If that’s right, it comes out to 10.32.

Ranger will RF, 1x Sword Cycle, and a Path of Scars + a pet F2? That’s 6.85 + whatever for the pet. And that’s not repeatable.

Even if you don’t want to factor in a second backstab, it still wins.

No sword auto on ranger or you lose damage. You start with barrage, rapid fire after, and instant path of scars. Jaguar does not have a “special ability”, its just an instant stealth for 6 secs where it has +25% crit.

That’s only 9.75 and I’m pretty sure no one would consider this burst or even practical :/

Jim Hunter.6821:

zapv.8051:

The people saying necro are hilarious, if necros had the highest damage over 5 or 6 seconds they would be meta in dungeons. Also, are we talking pve where stuff stands still or against people where they move about. If pve then eles win out due to icebow. In pvp, over five seconds probably fresh air ele, d/d theif, or some engi build.

If lich form could be used for more than 20 seconds every 3 minutes they probably would be the meta.

No they wouldnt. Please dont make things up.

To be in the meta they would have to have something better than icebow or some meaningful utility or group buffing.

5 lich form crits is what… 50k damage?

gl matching that. too bad for necro that lich form is on a 3 min cd.

Thaddeus.4891:

Boottspurr.9184:

Ulion.5476:

That high burst ele build is just a glass cannon. With the cantrips he can run from most fights but if the wind blows on him he dies and using most of his cd for that burst. Still celestial can do comparable burst and be able to take a hit.

I’m confused as to how this relates to the conversation.

Also, celestial gives a burst comparable to berserker?

Ya me too i’m confuse my what Ulion say. Op didn’t ask what is the best build overall, he ask specifically what is the best burst possible.

And this? ‘’Still celestial can do comparable burst and be able to take a hit’’. I think he need to learn the definition of comparable. If you have a comparable burst you will be able to take a comparable hit.

How many wvw builds have 35k-50k hp? Only 2 classes that can get ~30k with buffs. Comparable burst damage meaning full hp to dead against most specs. Burst kills before others can react, overkilling someone is nice but dead is dead.

Guildies and I did a quick DPS test. No might stacking or anything.

Lich power necro did around 35k-40k in that timeframe. S/D lightning rod ele (no elite) did 65-70k.

I don’t think any other class compares to what an ele can do in that same time frame.

S/D ele, no question. Even over 5-6 seconds.

You can literally do Dragon Tooth, Arcane Blast, Phoenix, LF, Switch to air, Lightning strike, Arcane Wave, RTL, Updraft in two-three seconds. And that right there already reaches 35K+. Heck, you can even switch out Arcane Wave for Ice bow for constant 3K + hits.

Lich form doing 10K is on the high end. I think the auto does around 8-9K on full light armour zerker classes without might.

TheBlackLeech.9360:

spoj.9672:

TheBlackLeech.9360:

Power Necro Lich form auto attack.

Nope.

Yeah actually.
The dude said 5-6 seconds…..

90% of the replies in this thread are 1.5 seconds of burst.

Not to mention you pre-cast wells before lich form.

wells no longer scale with lich nor do sigils.. rather pointless against anyone that knows what to do now

Atherakhia.4086:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Atherakhia.4086:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

DeceiverX.8361:

5 seconds is a long time.

So I will agree with LF berserker necro, as it will undeniably yield the highest damage throughput in that long of a period.

Otherwise, FA ele followed by D/D stab thief.

A d/d thief does not have higher burst than a ranger in 5 secs.

In 5 seconds a Thief will backstab twice, cloak and dagger, and go through 2 dagger cycles. If that’s right, it comes out to 10.32.

Ranger will RF, 1x Sword Cycle, and a Path of Scars + a pet F2? That’s 6.85 + whatever for the pet. And that’s not repeatable.

Even if you don’t want to factor in a second backstab, it still wins.

No sword auto on ranger or you lose damage. You start with barrage, rapid fire after, and instant path of scars. Jaguar does not have a “special ability”, its just an instant stealth for 6 secs where it has +25% crit.

That’s only 9.75 and I’m pretty sure no one would consider this burst or even practical :/

That “impractical” burst of yours is part of the PvE meta good sir. If you dun trust me, check out Brazil’s yt channel or the DnT page.
With quickness, the cast time for ranger skills is halved, in addition to this, Path of scars have 2x coeff, because it does full damage on both ways. The coeff of that skill is 2x not (2x).

You also gotta add in the fact that barrage triggers pred onslaught for the pet right away. Granting pet 40% damage (wild + spirit + trait) in addition to one stack of might on every crit, and one stack pr attack from RaO. and +72-75% for ranger throughout RF and PoS. This kind of boost is massive, and once the sword rotation starts, pet gets 3x might (sword 3 companions might + RaO). Building tremendous amount of damage boosting in less then 3 seconds

insanemaniac.2456:

5 lich form crits is what… 50k damage?

gl matching that. too bad for necro that lich form is on a 3 min cd.

Ok, say you stand right next to boss. Point blank. Then animation + cast time and aftercast will allow 1 attack/second. Say you crit for 7, 5k on average. 6 second burst = 45k

In comparison ele will do 25-30k in 2 seconds. After that it has 4 seconds of massive dps from conjure hammer/bow/gs

Ranger will do 40-50k from barrage> rapid fire> path of scars combo in 3.25 seconds, pet will do 4 attacks in that time due to quickness, average jag crits is around 2, 5-3k. Meaning total burst for ranger is closer to 55 to 60k total in 3-4 seconds.

Thief can do 40k just from CnD +BS alone.

Warrior does around 45-55k damage doing 100b + evis, that’s just 4 seconds to execute….

As you can see, even if marks/wells add another 15k ontop of lich, the necro is heavily outbursted, it’s sustained damage is so low that we need not mention it.

Simple fact is, just cuz you make huge numbers, doesn’t matter if you do not make them fast enough.

Ps. Ranger alone produces 22 stacks of vuln in 2 seconds, so its damage will always be ridiculously high if looking at 10 second fights.

Ulion.5476:

Thaddeus.4891:

Boottspurr.9184:

Ulion.5476:

That high burst ele build is just a glass cannon. With the cantrips he can run from most fights but if the wind blows on him he dies and using most of his cd for that burst. Still celestial can do comparable burst and be able to take a hit.

I’m confused as to how this relates to the conversation.

Also, celestial gives a burst comparable to berserker?

Ya me too i’m confuse my what Ulion say. Op didn’t ask what is the best build overall, he ask specifically what is the best burst possible.

And this? ‘’Still celestial can do comparable burst and be able to take a hit’’. I think he need to learn the definition of comparable. If you have a comparable burst you will be able to take a comparable hit.

How many wvw builds have 35k-50k hp? Only 2 classes that can get ~30k with buffs. Comparable burst damage meaning full hp to dead against most specs. Burst kills before others can react, overkilling someone is nice but dead is dead.

Bravo. You can kill ppl in celestial. Of course you can burst them down. When your best burst is ready, you get them on cooldown, they didn’t see you coming, etc. But that’s not comparable burst ’’DAMAGE’’. Celestial have more defensive stats, but less dmg. The number is less. Can you stop pls. Again, the op didn’t ask what is the more efficient build, or what is the best balance of stats or if its was or not overkilled. He ask what can make the highest burst. Its in the title. What is the biggest numbers, understand.

Your point of view about celestial is good, but don’t belong here. It doesn’t answer the question.

Easy,get a staff ele,put traits that buff dmg on fire and the one on air attunement which buffs dmg after certain health thershold,put down fiery gs and ice bow.

now you are ready. get the mob to a wall,cast meteor storm for 2 sec,use ice bow #4 skill,take the fiery gs and spin to win. would take 6s and you got the highest dmg in 6 sec.

Thaddeus.4891

Bravo. You can kill ppl in celestial. Of course you can burst them down. When your best burst is ready, you get them on cooldown, they didn’t see you coming, etc. But that’s not comparable burst ’’DAMAGE’’. Celestial have more defensive stats, but less dmg. The number is less. Can you stop pls. Again, the op didn’t ask what is the more efficient build, or what is the best balance of stats or if its was or not overkilled. He ask what can make the highest burst. Its in the title. What is the biggest numbers, understand.

Your point of view about celestial is good, but don’t belong here. It doesn’t answer the question.

Comparable does not mean the same, its having features in common with something else to permit comparison. The first response was to the video when the ele used all of his cooldowns to kill a guard and some of them did not hit. That went over Boottspurr.9184 head and the 2nd post was suppose to explain why using comparable that way was correct. Bursting to kill someone using the same moves taking most classes full hp to dead. The next commits are saying that comparable is being used incorrectly. This thread got off topic because of the follow up attacks against the first commit, which was suppose to be yea bersrker ele are the highest burst but it not the most viable build.

Please do not derail the thread with meaningless “cele is better”. This is about PvE, and I’m asking about highest burst.

Atherakhia.4086:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Atherakhia.4086:

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

DeceiverX.8361:

5 seconds is a long time.

So I will agree with LF berserker necro, as it will undeniably yield the highest damage throughput in that long of a period.

Otherwise, FA ele followed by D/D stab thief.

A d/d thief does not have higher burst than a ranger in 5 secs.

In 5 seconds a Thief will backstab twice, cloak and dagger, and go through 2 dagger cycles. If that’s right, it comes out to 10.32.

Ranger will RF, 1x Sword Cycle, and a Path of Scars + a pet F2? That’s 6.85 + whatever for the pet. And that’s not repeatable.

Even if you don’t want to factor in a second backstab, it still wins.

No sword auto on ranger or you lose damage. You start with barrage, rapid fire after, and instant path of scars. Jaguar does not have a “special ability”, its just an instant stealth for 6 secs where it has +25% crit.

That’s only 9.75 and I’m pretty sure no one would consider this burst or even practical :/

… What are you talking about? These numbers are waay off. You have traits and skills to consider. No ranger is playing 0/0/0/0/0 …

Oh and the “impractical” part… Ranger burst after september patch is one of the best ingame.

The numbers are the coefficients stacked. It’s easier to get a rough idea of the damage you’re trying to compare than go through the whole process. And no one is claiming Ranger burst isn’t great. It’s just not better than Thief.

Atherakhia.4086:

The numbers are the coefficients stacked. It’s easier to get a rough idea of the damage you’re trying to compare than go through the whole process. And no one is claiming Ranger burst isn’t great. It’s just not better than Thief.

First off, for max damage, % boosters and stat % bosters is more important.
Second we should look at the point of when burst is performed, comparing sustained (low cd) to single occurence burst.

In one shot burst, ranger tops thief due to instant self might stacking, and instant 22 stacks of vuln. But over the scope of time, thief can burst more often, so it levels out.

So basicaly the highest a zerker necro could do in spvp in ~6 seconds should be around 180000 on paper. You would need someone to attack who has all conditions ion the game on him though and no armor, and who also is below 50% and has 3 boons and all your attacks have to crit and sigil procs need to be perfect. A zerker ele would deal about 77000 dmg in the first second of the fight under same conditions, no idea what most perfect follow up to that would be.

Blackmoa.3186:

So basicaly the highest a zerker necro could do in spvp in ~6 seconds should be around 180000 on paper. You would need someone to attack who has all conditions ion the game on him though and no armor, and who also is below 50% and has 3 boons and all your attacks have to crit and sigil procs need to be perfect. A zerker ele would deal about 77000 dmg in the first second of the fight under same conditions, no idea what most perfect follow up to that would be.

Only one prob with that necro burst. Enemy must be a ambient creature for that to work, the ele would do 77k, even if enemy was moving, let alone thinking.

Blackmoa.3186:

So basicaly the highest a zerker necro could do in spvp in ~6 seconds should be around 180000 on paper. You would need someone to attack who has all conditions ion the game on him though and no armor, and who also is below 50% and has 3 boons and all your attacks have to crit and sigil procs need to be perfect. A zerker ele would deal about 77000 dmg in the first second of the fight under same conditions, no idea what most perfect follow up to that would be.

180k? Whoa! I must be using necro wrong.

I think this thread has good potential to highlight all the classes, if we post burst rotations and damage associated with traits/dmg multipliers or what not.

I was trying to establish burst rotations on a guardian and was roughly around 4-6k in a series of cooldowns (not factoring in crits or optimal traiting, just rough paper mathing on a build editor).

I tried a few weapon sets, but ultimately I looked at hammer and mace/torch or hammer and greatsword. Again not optimal builds but exploring burst potential.

zealot’s fire (2 press for direct damage) → protectors strike → swap hammer → mighty blow x 2 (that is a stretch but it can be used twice in a weapon swap)

Or replace one of those weapons with greatsword and do whirling wrath and leap of faith, still around the 5k mark.

I then turn around and looked at a hambow war and it was closer to 9-11k damage in a rotation. Using just:
combustive shot → arcing arrow → switch hammer → backbreaker → fierce blow → staggering blow.
(didn’t count earthshaker cause I think it would be on cooldown from combustive shot)

ele has ridiculous burst that I have seen videos on but don’t know the exact rotation. You guys are posting numbers but not a lot of data to back it up.

To reiterate, I think we should take a serious effort to list a class and weapon set and break down the burst potential with rotations and numbers. I would prefer people that play that class post their own burst rotations and not others complaining about another class that they feel is OP and kills them.

In the video above (http://youtu.be/Y5rpPFp0Hic?t=43s) the elementalist burst being used is dragon tooth, phoenix, lighting flash, lighting strike, blinding flash, riding the lighting and updraft. Dragon tooth take a long time to hit but with updraft it will hit and phoenix hits 3 time instantly because of lighting flash. The rest of the skills are instant cast. That is just one of the elementalist combos. The combo log in the video show the damage, also frost burst damage is just the sigil on his weapon.

Ulion.5476:

In the video above (http://youtu.be/Y5rpPFp0Hic?t=43s) the elementalist burst being used is dragon tooth, phoenix, lighting flash, lighting strike, blinding flash, riding the lighting and updraft. Dragon tooth take a long time to hit but with updraft it will hit and phoenix hits 3 time instantly because of lighting flash. The rest of the skills are instant cast. That is just one of the elementalist combos. The combo log in the video show the damage, also frost burst damage is just the sigil on his weapon.

How much damage would it do if you mixed settlers with clerics since we are just being ridiculous

Those sets have low power and no crit. Probably 1/3 of that damage.

Staff ele at the moment due to the concentrated meteor bug

ranger has highest undodgable/unblockable AOE burst that can do over 9,000 damage in under 1 second.

sorrychief.2563:

ranger has highest undodgable/unblockable AOE burst that can do over 9,000 damage in under 1 second.

Undodgable? Some burst can be devastating with a stun/knockback but I have killed rangers before with reflect. Should be able to recover if it is only that much damage.

sorrychief.2563:

ranger has highest undodgable/unblockable AOE burst that can do over 9,000 damage in under 1 second.

Even with Quickness it is possible to dodge 30-40% of that burst. This is coming from a ranger that DOES play the DPS build and DOES have to deal with mesmers, thieves, warriors, guards and engineers reflecting my own burst.